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rachel maddow, lawrence o'donnell, ari melber, joy-ann reid, alex wagner, andrew weissmann, and jen psakire here on msnbc's special coverage of the second indictment of donald trump. ♪ ♪ ♪ good evening from new york. welcome back to our special coverage. i'm chris hayes here at 30 rock with the whole team. as well as the great and the good rachel maddow who is joining us remotely on this historic day. and unprecedented, is an understatement. 37 count indictment against the 45th president of the united states. was unsealed today. a special counsel, jack smith, made his first public comments since his appointment by attorney general, merrick garland, nearly seven months ago. >> today, an indictment was unsealed. charging donald j trump with felony violations of our national security laws, as well as participating in a conspiracy to obstruct justice. this indictment was voted by a grand jury of citizens in the southern district of florida. i invite everyone to read it in full. understand the scope, and the gravity of the crimes charged. the men and women of the united states intelligence com

trump now it is time for the last world with lawrence o'donnell, getting in. tell andrew weissmann to wipe down the hall. >> yeah, he is running right now. >> we won't need him here. we will continue to coverage, alex, thank you very much. >> have a great show. >> at this hour tonight, right now, 27 hours after donald trump was told that he had just become the first former president in history charged with federal crimes including violating the espionage act, the trump criminal defense team

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rachel maddow, lawrence o'donnell, ari melber, joy-ann reid i, alex wagner, andrew weissmann, and jen psaki are here on msnbc's special coverage of the second indictment of donald trump. good evening from new york. welcome back to our special coverage. i'm chris hayes here at 30 rock with the whole team. as well as the great and the good, rachel maddow who is joining us remotely on this historic day. and unprecedented, is an understatement. 37 count indictment against the 45th president of the united states. was unsealed today. a special counsel, jack smith, made his first public comments since his appointment by attorney general, merrick garland, nearly seven months ago. >> today, an indictment was unsealed. charging donald j trump with felony violations of our national security laws, as well as participating in a conspiracy to obstruct justice. this indictment was voted by a grand jury of citizens in the southern district of florida. i invite everyone to read it in full. understand the scope, and the gravity of the crimes charged. the men and women of the united states intelligence

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that will be it for me for now but now it is time for the las word with lawrence o'donnell a -- >> that is correct, joy is going to join us in this hour. and rachel, am i the only on who is untroubled by the washington post reporting toda about how long it took for the justice department to get wher it is now on the jack smit investigation of january 6th it's slow, i think they will claim it was deliberate in the best sense it was careful and they've ended up where man people, including many of ou guests tonight were urging the to end up. and a year, if we can call i that of delay of the justice department, when did tha become like a new thing? i don't know, i just - you know, -- >> i think that's true of th overall portrait that they are giving us about the justic departments overall process. if you're shocked at this poin that merrick garland is cautious man, good morning, ho was your rest? but i think in terms of -- i think the fact that is nuanced and that is interestin is the different slices of it. like the mar-a-lago classified documents thing, proceeded a one piece. the fake ele

alex wagner, lawrence o'donnell, chris hayes, thank you very much. chris, we will see you in just a little bit. followed by alex at 9:00 eastern. stephanie is going to hang out with me. we're going to talk more finance stuff. we'll be right back. ere, anywhe♪ ♪ a beach house, a treehouse, ♪ ♪ honestly i don't care ♪ find the perfect vacation rental for you booking.com, booking. yeah. how can you sleep on such a firm setting? gab, mine is almost the same as yours. booking. almost... just another word for not as good as mine. save 50% on the sleep number limited edition smart bed. plus, free home delivery when you add an adjustable base. only at sleep number. >>> i know bipartisanship is hard and unity is hard, but we can never stop trying because of moments like this one, the ones we just faced where the american economy and world economy is at risk of collapsing, there's no other way. no matter how tough our politics gets, we need to see each other not as adversaries but as fellow americans. treat each other with dignity and respect. to join forces a

my colleague lawrence o'donnell, host of the last word, alex wagner, host of alex wagner tonight. nick ackerman, former watergate assistant special prosecutor, that could come in handy, charles coleman, former brooklyn prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst, as well as frank figliuzzi, former fbi assistant director for counterintelligence and msnbc national security analyst. all-star panel here today. where to begin? i mean, where to begin. we have been following through this all day. i know all of you probably felt like i did reading this, like a crime novel and also a comedy at the same time. >> a dark comedy. >> yes, a dark comedy. there are sort of three buckets here. the sloppy handling, having the documents in the loo, in the bathroom and that tacky ballroom, i feel like he should be indicted for the tackiness of the '80s ballroom. >> don't forget about the chandelier in the bathroom. >> listen, that is indictable all on its own from a taste point of view. there's that. then there is the chase for the documents. in which he knows that corcoran, who is attorney one, has to go and

that's going to do it for me for now, now it's time for the last word with lawrenc o'donnell, who will get that straight note from joy, good evening lawrence >> that's correct, joy is goin to join us this hour and rachel, am i the only on who is on troubled by th washington post reporting toda about how long it took for the justice department to get wher it is now on the jack smit investigation of january 6th you know, it's slow -- i think they will claim it was deliberate in the best sense it was careful and they have ended up where many people, including our guests tonight were urging the to end up. and a year, if we can call i that, of delay at the justic department when did that become - like a new thing i don't know, i'm just - you know >> i think that's true overall of the overall portrait that they are giving us about the justice department's overall process. like, if you are shocked a this point that merrick garlan is a congressman, good morning how was your arrest? but in terms of -- i think the part that's nuance and is interesting is different slices of it, right? like the m

. >> joining us now is msnbc colleagues, ari melber and lawrence o'donnell, also with us is laura jarrett, nbc news senior legal correspondent. lawrence, this is literally a moment where american democracy is geared up to protect itself against the alleged crimes of a man that was president, and would very much like to be president again. lawrence, how are you thinking about this moment, as far as it is a referendum on our ability to self govern? >> alex, the name of the case when we see it in writing on tuesday is going to be the united states of america versus donald j trump. that is the united states of america, the executive branch, charging the former head of the executive branch of the united states of america and the government. this is something that we have been heading for, when you really reach back and feel history. really it should've been headed off 49 years ago. 49 years ago, the president of the united states made a terrible president. we now know. gerald ford retardant richard nixon a month after leaving office. richard nixon was beyond a reasonable doubt guilty of multip

now it's time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. hael warnock, who has the answer to a horrible question, which is what do you do if you are a member of the u.s. senate in washington, and your kids are suddenly in

now it's time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. good evening, lawrence. >> i think you started a booking for over the alexander twins. >> we have the exclusive! >> i know, 10 pm is too late for them, right? i'm not going to be able -- >> they are the alexander twins they are night owls, obviously. >> yeah, okay. >> you get the justins, we get the alexander twins. >> okay that's the way we will leave it. thank you, alex. >> have a good show! >> thanks. >> tonight, there is a new trump defense, bravado. votto is a spanish word which, and current american english, usage means boasting, exaggerating, which, in legal terms, means lying. so, the new trump defense tonight is i was lying. on this program, we pledge to bring to you, as soon as it is available, as soon as we have already done, every word of donald trump's defense in the case of united states of america versus donald j trump, in which donald trump stands accused of 37 counts of violating federal law, including the espionage act, and his illegal possession of government documen

. >> that's our show for tonight, now it's time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. good evening, lawrence. r th>> good evening, alex. we have two amazing women joining us tonight. nadia -- is gonna join us, blood reporting put her in prison for two years for seeing a song. along with her pussy riot team. here you see someone leads a violent rebellion that takes a detour against let repetition. no jail, no nothing. and also, -- the omb director, literally like the biggest job, the biggest job that exist in washington, jurisdiction over every penny the government spends. the only people with bigger jobs are the president and vice president. i've been amazed by her career arc from house of representative staff into omb director. can't wait to talk about them. >> she is beloved by all negotiators that work with her. so, i am sure there's a lot the f to ask her. sounds, great lawrence. >> a lot of respect from both parties. and it's really the party, we'll be talking or later in the hour. >> i'll be watching. >> thanks, alex. thank you. the most important two words to eme

does it for us tonight, i'll see you again tomorrow, now it is time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. good evening lawrence. >> good evening alicia, we are going to have to learn a little bit more about the way of local rules work in the southern district of florida. and we are going to try to do that tonight during this hour. >> i love that. >> thanks alicia. thank you. donald trump is complaining today, about president biden's 53 year old son, hunter biden, agreeing to plead guilty to the tax violation of paying his taxes late. not paying his taxes on time. hunter biden paid the taxes in full, he just didn't do it fast enough. and, hunter biden agreed, with the u.s. attorney in delaware, who was appointed by donald trump. that he did agree that he did not tell the truth when he applied for a gun permit. hunter biden signed a form saying he was not addicted to drugs, at a time when he has publicly confessed, including in his book, that he was addicted to drugs. the u.s. attorney, appointed by donald trump, has decided not to prosecute hunter biden for falsely filling out the gun lic

that's the show for tonight, so you can tomorrow, and it's time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. good evening, lawrence. >> good evening, alex. we have a last word fan favorite joining us tonight at the end of the hour, dr. lance dodes, he's a former professor of psychiatry at harvard medical school. and early on in the trump presidency, i think was maybe within two months, three months, he and a group of other psychiatrists had seen enough, and they felt they had a duty to warn america. that eventually became the book titled the dangerous case of donald trump. and i think the first time it came out it was in the title, it said, you know, 19 psychiatrists made the case. it's now up to 37. >> [laughter] >> they kept reissuing the book as time went by. and each new paperback edition, because last i checked it was 27, and it's pretty sure it was 37 the other day. >> there are more psychiatrist who are, like, sign me up, i'm on board, i cosign. >> 37, 37. anyways, dr. dodes has been on this since the start, he will join us at the end of the hour. he predicted that if donald trump ge

. >> that's our show for tonight, now it's time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. okonnikova is ben join us. vladimir putin put her in prison for two years for

now it's time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. good evening, lawrence. >> good evening, alex. tonight, we will be joined by senator raphael warnock, who has the answer to a horrible question, which is what do you do if you are a member of the u.s. senate in washington, and your kids are suddenly in lockdown at their schools in atlanta? that actually happened to him. he's going to tell that story during this hour. >> it is a horrifying scenario to be a part of, and we are glad that no harm came to those children. i can't wait to hear him recanted for you, lawrence. >> thanks, alex. >> have a good show. >> how many white house chief of staff have to go to prison to convince future white house chief of staff that they are not above the law? you would think that the answer is one, and that happens to be exactly the number of white house chief of staff to have come to prison for committing crimes in the white house. and no white house chief of staff sits them has ever been the focus of a criminal investigation again, until now. until do

and now it is time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. alex. and yes, it is the fastest slow version i've ever seen of the united states senate on one of these things. the key to just how fast this was gonna sail through the senate, and how wired it was is the motion to proceed to the bill, which on almost everything in the senate now, requires 60 votes -- >> 60 votes. >> you know how many votes it got? 100, because they basically did it by unanimous consent. unanimous consent is how everything used to go to the floor, you know, like, 30 years ago, and certainly before the trump era and the mcconnell era. so, that moment earlier tonight, when they just went, unanimous consent meant that s

now it is time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. evening, lawrence. >> good evening, alex. so we are on to the united states senate, where things might take a while, because of the fact that the amendments are allowed, as you pointed out. but it is pretty clear that chuck schumer and mitch mcconnell are going to get this thing through the senate intact. >> they sure are. it's clear that tim kaine has a lot of, he is wounded, i think, in many ways, by the way the white house put the mountain valley pell plane in the steel. but it sounds lake the democrats believe they need to be the adult in the room and set aside the personal concerns and ultimately say yes to something they never wanted to be part of to begin with. >> well, democrats, of course, have the curse of responsibility. >> yeah. >> they are the responsibility party. the other party is the not serious party, and so democrats frequently found themselves casting difficult votes in order to do the larger responsible thing. >> to save the u.s. economy. as hakeem jeffries said,

and now it is time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. oes this mean that i have to disclose every time that oprah brings me flowers? >> well -- >> every time? >> the 600 dollar bouquets you get weekly should probably be disclosed. the smaller -- no is gay

now it is time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. evening, lawrence. >> good evening, alex. so, we are on to the united states senate, where things might take a while because of the fa

trump now it is time for the last world with lawrence o'donnell, getting in. lawrence . >> good evening avalanche, and could you tell andrew weizmann the way down the hall. >> he's running down the right now! >> we're gonna need him here. we're gonna continue the coverage, alex, thank you very much. >> have a great show! >> thank you. well at this hour, tonight right, now, 27 hours after donald trump was told that he had just become the first former president in history charged with federal crimes, including violations of the espionage act, the trump criminal defense team is in chaos. the trump criminal defense lawyer who call donald trump at seven pm last night to tell him that he was indicted by prosecutors in the executive branch of the government that he once controlled, resigned or was fired this morning along with another criminal defense lawyer that also resigned or was fired this morning. last night, after the indictment was announced, the league criminal defense lawyer in the case of the u.s. versus donald j trump said this -- >> even if he talks about

now, it's time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. good evening, lawrence. >> good evening, rachel. and thank you for that. we taped this interview with the white house negotiating team in the room where it happened today. and i could still be there. i could listen. i could listen for hours on end, all of the details of what they went through. and the degree of the difficulty of what they were dealing with is so much greater than anything that i was ever exposed to or involved with when i was working in the senate on similar issues. look, i just can't believe how we had compared to this team. >> this is a story, and that was an interview opportunity that resonates on you like somebody put the world's biggest tuning fork on you. it goes right to the heart and soul of what you know best in the whole world. it's so good. >> and we are starting tonight with neal katyal and andrew weissmann because apparently, there was some, you know, trump legal developments today that are worth discussing, and maybe this week in a big way. >> if ever the

does it for us tonight, i'll see you again tomorrow, now it is time for the last word with lawrence o'donnelle going to have to learn a little bit more about the way of local rules work in the southern district of florida. and we are going to try to do that tonight during this hour. >> i love that. >> thanks alicia. thank you. donald trump is complaining today, about president biden

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now, it is time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. good evening, lawrence. r >> good evening, alex. we're gonna continue covering what we're obviously gonna be covering for quite awhile. thank you, alex. >> i'll be watching. >> the criminal case of the united states of america, versus donald j trump, is underway tonight. in florida. where a sealed indictment has charged the former president the seven count indictment. the new york times is reporting tonight that the charges include willfully retaining national defense secrets and violations of the espionage act. making false statements, and an obstruction of justice conspiracy, according people familiar with the matter. donald trump has been ordered to surrender for arrest in processing an arraignment in the federal court in miami on tuesday at three pm. four months after donald trump left the white house, the national archives said their first letter to donald trump. on may 6th, 2021, asking, politely, for the return of documents that belong to the united states government. nothing was returned. on january

and now it is time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. good, evening lawrence. >> good evening, alex. does this mean that i have to disclose every time that out britons me flowers? >> well -- >> every time? >> the 600 dollar bouquets you get weekly should probably be disclosed. the smaller -- >> i am prepared -- >> and the corsage's that you get may skate under the disclosure limits. >> i'm prepared to disclose right now all of the flowers i have received in my entire life, which i believe is exactly zero. >> i will change that. i am going to change -- that is going to change. you don't have to -- >> there you go. no, i'm going to. if i get those flowers from you, i'm disclosing. >> exactly. you heard it here on this network. it's going to happen. >> thank, you alex. >> have a great show. >> thank you. well, once again today, down trump said something that no other former president of the unites a has ever said. at -- pm -- down trump said, no one has told me -- he was the first to leak that he was going to be indicted. but he was off by o

and now it is time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. good evening, lawrence. >> good evening, alex. and yes, it is the fastest slow version i've ever seen of the united states senate on one of these things. the key to just how fast this was gonna sail through the senate, and how wired it was is the motion to proceed to the bill, which on almost everything in the senate now, requires 60 votes -- >> 60 votes. >> you know how many votes it got? 100, because they basically did it by unanimous consent. unanimous consent is how everything used to go to the floor, you know, like, 30 years ago, and certainly before the trump era and the mcconnell era. so, that moment earlier tonight, when they just went, unanimous consent meant that every single senator who made the slightest noise about getting in the way of this bill was not really serious about getting in the way of this bill. some of them to have points they really need to make and everyone understands that. and that's why they are being accommodated in this fashion tonight. but all of them

and now it is time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. . >> good evening, alex. and yes, it is the fastest slow version i've ever seen of the united states senate on one of these things. the key to just how fast this was gonna sail through the senate, and how wired it was is the motion to proceed to the bill,

trump now it is time for the last world with lawrence o'donnell, getting in. lawrence >> this is a special katie phang show, live from miami florida. we have a lot of news to cover a lot of questions answered. let's get started. unprecedented indictment. the one term ex president, donald trump, now has two indictments to match his two impeachments. that special counsel jack smith breaks his silence on trump's stunning 37 criminal counts and classified documents case. plus, they have receipts. the photos allegedly showing boxes of top secret documents hidden at mar-a-lago, in a ballroom, even a bathroom. i want to know is this any way to treat our national security secrets? and on the road again later today, donald trump is hitting the campaign trail. what will his message now be to voters admits his federal indictment? our in-depth coverage of this remarkable moment in united states history begins right now. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> and a good saturday morning to you. i am katie phang. we start with history unfolding before our very eyes. donald trump is now the first presiden

that's the show for tonight, so you can tomorrow, and it's time for the last word with lawrence o'donnellan favorite joining us tonight at the end of the hour, dr. lance dodes, he's a former professor of psychiatry at harvard medical school. and early on in the trump presidency, i think was maybe within two months, three months, he and a group of other psychiatrists had seen enough, and they felt they had a duty to warn america. that eventually became the book titled the dangerous case of donald trump. and i think the first time it came out it was in the title, it said, you know, 19 psychiatrists made the case. it's now up to 37. >> [laughter] >> they kept reissuing the book as time went by.

now it's time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. be joined by senator raphael warnock,

trump now it is time for the last world with lawrence o'donnell, getting in. lawrence good evening, alex. can you tell andrew weissmann to wipe down the hall. >> yeah, he is running right now. >> we won't need him here. we will continue to coverage, alex, thank you very much. >> have a great show. >> at this hour tonight, right now, 27 hours after donald trump was told that he had just become the first former president in history charged with federal crimes including violating the espionage act, the trump criminal defense team is in chaos. the trump criminal defense lawyer called donald trump at seven pm last night to tell him that he was indicted by prosecutors in the executive branch of the government that he once controlled, resigned or was fired this morning along with another criminal defense lawyer that also resigned or was fired this morning. last night, after the indictment was announced, the league criminal defense lawyer in the case of the u.s. versus donald j trump said this -- >> even if he talks about the documents or the existence of them, that is

that's gonna do it for me for a few minutes, before i joined the last word with lawrence o'donnell ascited to be able to have you come over here. and andrew weizmann is gonna be the first guest in the studio. he's actually on his way at the moment. so, we have

that's gonna do it for me for a few minutes, before i joined the last word with lawrence o'donnell as well. good evening, lawrence. >> good evening, rachel. i am so excited to be able to have you come over here. and andrew weizmann is gonna be the first guest in the studio. he's actually on his way at the moment. so, we have to do that business. that gives you enough time to make it all the way over to this studio, which is -- it's like a conan toss, in a way. it's not a baseball. it's like a coin toss. >> i have time for one cocktail to be right back. >> but rachel, i have a couple of news things about what's gonna happen tomorrow. number one, you would really like this, donald trump rehearsed his plea on a boston radio show tonight. and we are gonna bring you that, what he is gonna say, when he is asked how he pleads. but there is this from the magistrate who's handling up tomorrow, who was the one who issued the first warrant in the first place, judge cannon doesn't come into it yet. and he is basically saying that he's just gonna live by the local rules of how what -- contains the