the former deputy prime minister of libya discussing whether libya's division can we overcome. any time soon so this son of moammar gadhafi saif al islam was willing to take part in libya's presidential election diplomats working on libyan peace talks a saif al islam is a symbol of a consolation for many libyans what's your take i mean does he have a role to play in the future of libya i mean i mean any any libyan has the right if they are not convicted in a court to flow if they could not commit crimes against the country in the libyan have the right to participate in the political system of the country and for presidential. so for mr safely slum which i don't know exactly what he is i mean the last time you know that he is imprisoned and sometimes i hear that maybe he was left but again i don't know what he has i mean he should come out and tell us where he is a fee is interested in doing that so so in principle anybody who did not was not convicted for a crime in libya i don't think that mr safely can do that unfortunately because when he has all the power unit his lifestyle

the former deputy prime minister of libya. after the overthrow of moammar gadhafi libya still has no unified. militia. civilians. and several rival governments a powerless to stop the wave of chaos the pros of putting the country back together again even beginning what must happen for dozens of rival actors to come together and even as one nation. or the former deputy prime minister of libya welcome to the show great to have you with us lots going on in the country to libya's rival leaders prime minister fayyad iraj and general haile for half the hour have agreed to hold elections in december this is a rabs now says that the situation is too unstable to hold a vote of france's a man mccall who meditate that the talk says elections should still be held as planned as they would help to stabilize and unify the country which side are you on . i am on the side of the libyan people i mean clearly it is there is a plan to have an election but of course the situation in the country today is not really favorable to that i mean there is

minister of libya welcome to the show great to have you with us lots going on in the country to libya's rival leaders prime minister fayyad iraj and general haile for have to have agreed to hold elections in december this is arrives now says that the situation is too unstable to hold france's and my own mccall who meditate that the talk says elections should still be held as planned as they would help to stabilize and unify the country which side are you on i am on the side of the libyan people i mean clearly there is a plan to have an election but of course the situation in the country today is not really favorable to that i mean there is really war going on in the east there is a lot of clashes around tripoli blame iran but of course the bins of this discourse lucian of the forces that mr soros has has issued an order to to form if they will really become very serious in doing their job and if they have the power and that's the thing it is. and also i think the important thing right now the united nations mission is a think being of much better role than they have done over the last f

policy towards libya. perhaps the most important event determining u.s. policy is actually the killing of the u.s. . in benghazi in twenty twelve which was also. a consequence of the war but in that sense since then we've seen a retreat of u.s. direct involvement in libya and if at all we can say that today the u.s. is involved in libya more for counterterrorism operations and it also of course supports the u.n. efforts it supports a dialogue it was strongly behind the twenty fifteen process that led to the government of national accord but we're not seeing today this same type of directing gauge moment by u.s. officials that we did for example in twenty fifteen when the u.s. had a special representative that was closely following all the developments don't you see that maybe because the trumpet ministration perceive that as the obama problem in the sense that it was a problem caused by the obama administration and it feels absolutely no responsibility or liability of dealing with the consequences of it i think it's a series of factors first of all lou. i

that the decision to intervene in libya was perhaps. too quickly taken but too quickly taken in the sense that. what would come after the war and what would come after the regime change would wasn't thought through sufficiently because the only the main focus after the war was primarily elections and political process but we also know that the libya crisis today as we see it at least as i see it is a multifaceted crisis because it's a political crisis it's a security crisis and it's an economic crisis so i think the main problem of the post twenty eleven transition was to put complete emphasis on the political process and not sufficient thought and strategy into the military dialogue or d.d.r. ceasar and completely forget the economic dimension of the crisis the international crisis group has a very prolific twitter account and you guys riposte a lot of. our she calls about libya for example a few days ago you re posted an article by the a.p. and the a.p. describes the causes of the conflict in a very curious way let me quote it for you

to war in libya we try to do everything possible to purchase you weigh. partners lie because our calls he'll come around it was a very bad idea to destabilize the northern africa we doubt thinking about what next the is was the question was not an answer seventy years later we see the real risk of partition only in two or three this is because many people in europe don't know as he told he does what is the tribal situation in libya what equilibria inside the contrie how important is to get involved the tribes instead of get them as clued and this is the result a jihadist extremist division tripoli under attack and the government of mr seraj who is a diligent in my eyes unfortunately all door is really recognize from the international community the only way is to reconcile is to get involved mr off guard is to get support from egypt with the help of russia and united states and europe otherwise if we give france the hands of a d.d. did the keys of libya we would go to know where this is absolutely it was in the case of sarkozy is even more today france alo

in fact, entire swaths of libya are lawless, and government officials fear to enter. we travel to one such area in libya's far western region in order to see how freely isis has been able to operate. driving us is a minder from the government in tripoli. it's the first time in nearly a year they've allowed american tv journalists to enter the country. in return, the government insists on constant supervision. on the way, we pass a checkpoint operated by the tripoli government. r isently claimed responsibility for shooting four people to death in an attack here. it's not long before we're completely outside the area controlled by any government. our government minder locks all the doors. >> reporter: we'reoun a very dangpart of libya right now. we've been told not to get out of the car because of the high level ofangs and islamist militias that control the smugglinroutes in this area.es ournation: sabratha. it's home to spectacular ruins from the roman era, buthyhat's not we're here. until recently, it waoualso an infhub for migrant traffickers. local officials say tho

in march of two thousand and eleven norway committed to the military intervention in libya leading to the ousting of gadhafi and the ruin country we see today but a shock norwegian state commission report now admits the country knew next to nothing about what they were doing and actually went to war relying on media reports norway had very limited knowledge of libya when the uprising started in february twenty eleven in such situations decision makers of information from media and other countries colonel gadhafi continues to slaughter his own civilians and he viciously targeted americans the international community offered gadhafi the final chance to stop his campaign of killing or face the consequences for attacks by regime forces on the libyan citizens when they turned to us and asked us for help stopping a massacre how do you say no so awful jumped on the bandwagon playing an alarmingly significant role and why shouldn't they it was by the book there was even a un security council resolution on the situation to cover them if you ignore all the commentators warning the resolution di

i have to say some people who are running from nigeria to libya was a libya war a good idea the war the tourism way as you still would would have supported with britain well you know i mean the issues in libya a very complex what nigerians it's affects nigeria in a number of ways number one a lot of nigeria migrants moving away across the child they'll go into libya trying to stage use in libya as a staging port for cross into europe so that's a big big problem the libyan war in itself you know interventions like the intervention in iraq and the intervention in libya we have seen how often. they have led to state failure would you have supported the iraq war the libya war i probably would not go because when you you know not nations that define their national interests in the context of the talk in such a nations well that's a defense of their own national interest not libya was an african country i mean for several years libya has now been in chaos so who is benefit from that i was never fun of gaddafi never was i a final for this but the fact is that there's a lot of gales in that

backed israel then saudi backed yemen get off its libya. as well as china the fact that obama's usa would not join is perhaps no surprise given his use of drone assassination but what about india going to be something to do with the nuclear armed line of control and disputed kashmir. the sounds of pellet gun shots yelling and smoke from tear gas canisters filled the air in several towns in indian administered kashmir this week muslims are celebrating the eat or festival of sacrifice leaving many streets quiet. not here in sri lanka joining me now is the fall. the president of britain's parliamentary group on gas we're lord ahmed boredom and thank you the coming on before we get to the events in kashmir and things are moving fast there. your comment about prime minister trays i'm a saying that just appearing on this program risks being a propaganda. to mourn loving me a putin's why does i have i don't think that that's a very good representation of british values which is freedom of press is very important to have that different view i mean

public astray should routes in libya living conditions after seven years of instability and conflicts since the overthrow of the gadhafi regime. to top american universities sparked outrage to creating a safe pool safe space the white students to discuss race issues. is just ten two am in the russian capital we're watching international we start with some breaking news in the russian military across with fourteen personnel on board this disappeared from radar coverage over the mediterranean off the coast of syria according to the russian defense ministry it took off from an ad base in the tukey a province which is in northern syria in a statement the ministry said the plane went missing after a bombardment by four israeli fighter jets in the taqiyya province a search and rescue operation is underway. we'll keep you updated as soon as the situation develops. our top story the russian turkish presidents have agrees to create a demilitarized zone in syria's adlib province it can lay the ground grounds for a final push against terrorists in the area which is the last remaining extremist s

there are no written sources indicating that before deciding to send warplanes to libya the government assist the type of conflict norway was taking part in now that failure could hardly have had more serious consequences the country now lies in ruins seven years on libya is still being ripped apart by rival governments well wishers armed to the teeth and islamist militants just last week by supplying response ability for a shooting that killed two and wounded ten more at the headquarters of the state oil company at the top of the water there were invited to come over for oil for government by the way oh no. perhaps unsurprisingly some politicians in norway are now distancing themselves from the decision given what we know today this was a war for a regime change norway should not have participated in the libyan war when you look at what happened next with libya becoming a terrorism hotspot this is not a decision to be proud of of course they're not the first to come to that sorry conclusion the u.k. parliament got there two years ago this report determines the u.k. policy in libya bef

around seven years ago libya remains to this day divided by rival governments as well as armed groups one government is based in tripoli that's backed by the united nations and others in tal broke controls a large part of the east of the country some zones are still controlled by militias state years after they helped ignite the violence some european countries are now starting to express regret at their involvement in the nato led intervention in libya so has this report in march of two thousand and eleven norway committed to the military intervention in libya leading to the ousting of gadhafi and the ruin country we see today but a shock norwegian state commission report now admits the country knew next to nothing about what they were doing and actually went to war relying on media reports norway had very limited knowledge of libya when the uprising started in february twenty eleven in such situations decision makers or information from media and other countries colonel gadhafi continues to slaughter his own civilians and he viciously targeted americans the international community o

when you look at what happened next with libya becoming a terrorism hotspot this is not a decision to be proud of of course they're not the first to come to that sorry conclusion the u.k. parliament got there two years ago this report determines the u.k. policy in libya before and since the intervention of march two thousand and eleven was founded on a road use assumptions and an incomplete understanding of the country and the situation and barack obama infamously admitted the aftermath was the biggest mistake of his presidency but that's likely to bring little comfort to the civilians still reeling in the shattered nation. the u.s. envoy to the united nations has accused russia of violating sanctions against north korea nikki haley made that claim at a security council session in new york the united states has evidence of consistent and wide ranging russian violations one russian vessel called the patriot was captured on film transferring refined petroleum to a north korean controlled vessel in april of this year that is un listed last month the independent panel of experts on the im

on in the country to libya's ride. leaders prime minister fayyad iraj and general haile for have to have agreed to hold elections in december this is arrives now says that the situation is too unstable to hold france's and my own mccall who meditate that the talk says elections should still be held as planned as they would help to stabilize and unify the country which side are you on. the side of the libyan people i mean clearly it is there is a plan to have an election but of course the situation in the country today is not really favorable to that i mean there is really war going on in the east there is a lot of clashes around tripoli.

breaking news story the russian and turkish presidents have agreed to create a demilitarized zone in libya provinces the last remaining terrorist stronghold in syria. with decided to create along the battle line militarized zone by a fifteen it will be from fifteen to twenty kilometers wide it will move radicalize militants are though this including job. parties correspondent in a culture has the latest. very important decisions were indeed made during this our worries along tog's between a russia and turkey now the deescalation zone was hanging in the year during the negotiations but the two leaders seem to disagree all the way through with that's why this particular agreement which was self boys of the press conference came as a surprise to so many now of the both sides agreed to create a demilitarized zone between the militants and government troops of around fifteen to twenty kilometers by the fifteenth of october and also during the press conference of the turkish president said that to gather with russia they will radek a terrorism in the region. together with russia we will make max

or the russian turkish presidents are meeting in tsotsi to discuss the situation in libya province that are expected to talk about ways to achieve a peace deal in the area which is the last rebel and terror stronghold in syria or for the talks about me or putin said that they hope to solve issues where they have yet to find an agreement recep tayyip erdogan for his part also expressed some optimism about a compromise could be reached artie's medina culture never has more now on the two countries starts on the syrian conflict. where do russia and turkey stand well turkey fear is that out large scale a fountain of against it will cause a new influx of refugees into its territory already is hosting over three and a half a million syrians so turkish officials are saying that they are ready to cooperate with anyone in fighting terrorism to war with iran the war with the united states and. all our partners. in syria so the positions of all players are so very different and that is what makes the situation so complicated the u.s. say that they're not going anywhere until there is peace in the

the current environment that we have in libya is definitely not conducive of democratic practices for sure and elections is about competition and you have competition in an environment that so it was with armed groups and weapons in this is a recipe for disaster in my view any free and fair elections will require first of all political and institutional unity of some sort in libya but also very importantly it should entails a.d.d. out a process a process by which these militias and these arms are either collected or somehow controlled otherwise anyone who loses an upcoming election in libya will reject the results and we'll just use the arms and it will be adequate of what we have in the past to keep was in the party when we had the election but then those that lost the election used weapons and they did mobilize their militias and take over took over the capital tripoli by force and we ended up in a somewhat of a civil war or a low level civil war at the time the conditions are still the same hour and we must work to change these conditions first and then maybe we can go for election

public frustration erupts in libya ever die living conditions up to seven years of instability and conflict since the overthrow of the gadhafi regime. and a top american university sparked outrage after creating the so-called safe space for white students to discuss race issues we'll be hearing from both sides of the debate. as are joining us this is r.t. international. the russian and turkish presidents have agreed to create a demilitarized zone in syria's itll a province could lay the ground for a final push against the terrorists in the area which is the last remaining extremist stronghold in the country. with use only to create along the demilitarized zone by october fifteenth it will be from fifteen to twenty kilometers why we will move radicalized militants are loathe including job. the u.n. estimates ten thousand dollars for a terrorist remain in italy a province posing a threat not only to those living there but also to people in bordering regions the question of how to deal with the terrorists that dominated international talks for weeks the coach has more on the latest development

when you look at what happened next with libya becoming a terrorism hotspot this is not a decision to be proud of of course they're not the first to come to that sorry conclusion the u.k. parliament got there two years ago this report determines the u.k. policy in libya before and since the intervention of march two thousand and eleven was founded on a row nice assumptions and an incomplete understanding of the country and the situation and barack obama infamously admitted the aftermath was the biggest mistake of his presidency but that's likely to bring little comfort to the civilian still reeling in a shattered nation. i don't know how but you if you have missed it we have a breaking news story this hour the russian into presidents have agreed to create a demilitarized zone in italy the province is the last remaining terrorist stronghold in syria. with use only to create along the battle line demilitarized zone by october fifteenth it will be from fifteen to twenty kilometers wide we will move radicalize militants are. including job. together with russia we will make maximum effort

in march of two thousand and eleven norway committed to the military intervention in libya leading to the ousting of gaddafi and the ruin country we see today but a shock norwegian state commission report now admits the country knew next to nothing about what they were doing and actually went to war relying on media reports norway had very limited knowledge of libya when the uprising started in february twenty eleven in such situations decision makers or information from media and other countries colonel gadhafi continues to slaughter his own civilians and he viciously targeted americans the international community offered gadhafi the final chance to stop his campaign of killing or face the consequences for attacks by regime forces on the libyan citizens when they turned to us and asked us for help stopping a massacre how do you say no so awful jumped on the bandwagon playing an alarmingly significant role and why shouldn't they it was by the book there was even a un security council resolution on the situation to cover them if you ignore all the commentators warning the resolution di

in march of two thousand and eleven norway committed to the military intervention in libya leading to the ousting of gaddafi and the ruin country we see today but a shock norwegian state commission report now admits the country knew next to nothing about what they were doing and actually went to war relying on media reports norway had very limited knowledge of libya when the uprising started in february twenty eleven in such situations decision makers often malone information from media and other countries colonel gadhafi continues to slaughter his own civilians and he viciously targeted americans the international community offered the final chance to stop his campaign of killing or face the consequences for attacks by regime forces on the libyan citizens when they turned to us and asked us for help stopping a massacre how do you say no so also jumped on the bandwagon playing an alarmingly significant role and why shouldn't they it was by the book there was even a un security council resolution on the situation to cover them if you ignore all the commentators warning the resolution d

by that and by the libyan coast guard people who were brought back to libya. directly from the port to these detention centers and of course he's out with three detained. that that he station mechanism in libya is quite slow because the number of refugees collectively i don't to put eat till just before the twenty sixth is was a month five thousand. distributed in for between seven to eight detention centers and the capacity to do just that everybody time and it was quite slow. and also when you come to defeat the state does it diminish and all that takes a long long process on the long interviews so and also these people were not registered and they were worried that they kind of also disappeared from just the status centers either being sent away or transferred to somewhere else or being sent back to the traffickers side so people have much much concern about their life and well beings and they wanted to to be just that. you know brain when you talk about the traffickers that that is a topic of concern among the many people particularly aid people of course

we're headed towards libya from. trade route. once the main trade route for caravans it remains an economic lifeline to. merchants transport goods from west africa. and subsaharan countries all the way to libya on the mediterranean. in recent years this road was also the main route for african migrants trying to get to europe. we're only allowed to travel here with a security escort. we agree in the hope of finding out what action the e.u. is taking here to stop migration. everyone here is checked. police asked travelers where they've come from and where they're going. anyone suspected of trying to reach europe is barred passage. that's why migrants now avoid these checkpoints. today we don't encounter any west african migrants here instead merchants from the tribe desert nomads who have moved freely across desert borders for centuries. although most of the government the growth of a lot of the form of a lot more lead time for me i want to go to libya my parents live there. are used to be a lot more people here the merchants tell

as fico put it libya is not a safe landing point human rights are not guaranteed so migrants can't be left there to solve any says that's lies let's let's who's lying who's lying here may i answer yes the point is very clear i don't know if you have been in libya i have been in libya i have been remark three months ago and i saw the situation of the ground of course this is a very terrible situation because it depends on which part of the country we are there are different reason for and level of competition of controls by the different my leashes and the different governments occupying what the human rights groups are saying about the treatment of migrants who are sent back of course is there any sense that lies and of course in our opinion and our position is very clear sinhalese there are problems of human rights violation in in libya and i would like to think i am and the order international organization from you and for the excellent work they are doing on the ground with very difficult condition basically because libya because of the action also of some european governments in t

question to ask whether or not there's a clear strategy definitely after you know afghanistan iraq libya is worth asking whether or not there's a clear strategy behind but i think with charm it's definitely something to this that the u.s. isn't actually acting at a unitary actor at the moment given that you have this infighting even within this own administration but. if we assume that trump's assumptions have been quite genuine that he wants to pull america security guarantees back a little bit there has been two important exceptions which has been first iran quite hostile in iran and the second would be america's friendship with israel and of course syria is right in the middle of both of these two exceptions so i guess he was always somewhat predisposed to even things which is a you know if he takes out his apparent political envelope with all of his promises on the back that i've mentioned many times in this program he's not technically starting a new war that was his promise ok so he's flipping it here. we had iran russia and turkey meeting in. everyone puts a nice face on it but it

it is recognized by the un as libya's official government but it's tripoli where the problems are the g.n.a.s. seems to be losing control. internal fighting between two previously allied factions has shrunk the government's area of control to central tripoli a breakaway group now controls the airport as well as military camps along the entry road to the city other forces allied to the g.s.a. have moved to into as a zia to the south well clearly i guess any is a senior libya analyst at the international crisis group she says the own growing violence is the product of growing anger against the tripoli based armed groups. one thing that has been building up over the past few months is this resentment by the communities outside tripoli so the main cities in this case are mr. horn. resentment from these communities and their armed groups for their absence from the capital and they say that the armed groups in the capital which are tripoli based armed groups commanded by people who are from tripoli that these groups and their leaders actually control this state and the greater accusation th

they referred libya to the i.c.c. the united states was among the un security council member states that did so so criticism human rights defenders and former prosecutors that the united states feels that it is above the law and the reaction from the i.c.r.c. i.c.c. really diplomatic language but at the same time stretched the dismissing and not attaching really a lot of importance to what bolton said. they want all the news is for brazil's jailed former presidential reason arceo looted a silver says he'll keep fighting to run in next month's presidential election is banned from standing due to a corruption conviction and the supreme court has rejected his latest appeal he spent monday meeting with philander dad who could be announced the workers' party candidate on tuesday a latin america editor lucien human is and could achieve is in jail. it's a race against time for former president lula da silva and his workers party this is the federal police facility where the former president is serving out a twelve year priso