this is something they're we're lacking greatly right now how much time you think it will take for libyans to feel secure and first ability when you see the post conflict periods or all of the difficult one it's not an easy thing especially in a country where they would create the culture it was totally absent you know heeds time needs patients and he's a real love of this country you know which lots of people lack of those days and other opinion is that the problem is between a growing gap between the victor towns like for example benghazi and the loser towns like ben while eight people feel like maybe that gap is widening and they're like two camps establishing in syria do you feel that. some glimpses of there are true you know what you see you cannot deny that this is the harvest to forty two years of of a culture that somehow managed you know to divide between libya's to create clear vision is between libya's and tribal lines in secretarial. regional lines. ethnic lines you know. to many years you know try to discriminate forms against them as you be with the berber and this is. now it

target for too many too many players and in the region and worldwide many libyans that have been spoken to and most of them are people who never liked qaddafi because they're all very educated they studied abroad but they tell tell me that one thing that could not not be denied is that during khadafi there was seen a sense of security and stability in libya and this is something they're we're lacking greatly right now how much time we think it will take for libyans to feel secure and first ability when you see the post conflict periods are always difficult when it's not an easy thing especially in a country where we create a culture who is totally absent you know leads time needs patients and he's a real love of this country you know which lots of people lack of those days and other opinion is that the problem is between a growing gap between the victor towns like for example benghazi and the loser towns like ben will eat people feel like maybe that gap is widening and they're like two camps establishing in syria do you feel that. some glimpses of that are true you know what you see you

off is a libyan. because a crimes were committed in libya and so it's the three libya is not a member. of the quote. i don't know one which grounds you know the international community or the i.c.c. is talking about syphilis been tried in the sea but do you feel like he's getting a fair trial in libya what he been tried once you know two or three sessions you know and we didn't see any mistreatment you know but when you were working and cut off his government you were in somewhat friendly relations with him were not. there was a working relationship sporadic. but i was basically a consultant. he has his own team but some technical issues that relate to my specialization sometimes yes he gets in touch with me and asks me some questions you know it because back then i was told that he was trying to democratize or liberalize libyan economy and was it a sincere attempt could it have helped at that point no i don't think it was sincere or told i think it was some sort of a division of labor by gaddafi amon

is a strategic target for too many too many players and in the region and worldwide many libyans that i've been spoken to and most of them are people who never liked qaddafi because they're all very educated they studied abroad but they tell tell me that one thing that could not not be denied is that during khadafi there was seen a sense of security and stability in the area and this is something they're we're lacking greatly right now how much time we think it will take for libyans to feel secure and first ability when you see the post conflict periods it's difficult one it's not an easy thing especially in a country where the culture was totally absent you know it's time needs patients and he's a real love of this country you know which lots of people lack of those days and other opinion is that the problem is between a growing gap between the victor towns like for example benghazi and the loser towns like ben will eat people feel like maybe the gap is widening and they're like two camps establishing in syria do you feel that. some glimpses of the true you know what you see you cann

their fees the libyan crimes were committed in libya and so if the three libya is not a member. of the court to be. known grounds you know the international community or the i.c.c. is talking about safely been tried in the sea but you feel like he's getting a fair trial in libya he'd been tried once you know two or three sessions you know and we didn't see any mistreatment you know but when you were working and cut off his government you were in somewhat friendly relations with him were not. there was a working relationship sporadic. but i was basically a consultant. he has his own team but some technical issues that relate to my specialization sometimes yes he gets in touch with me and asks me some questions you know it because back then i was told that he was trying to democratize or liberalize libyan economy and was it a sincere attempt could it have helped at that point no i don't think it was sincere or told i think it was some sort of a division of labor by gaddafi among his own sons you know when you were working with qaddafi did he have any understanding of what was real

i mean the first seventy that there is a libyan. because the crimes were committed in libya and so if the three libya is not a member. of the quote. i don't know one which grounds you know the international community or the i.c.c. is talking about syphilis been tried in the sea but do you feel like he's getting a fair trial in libya what he been tried once you know two or three sessions you know and we didn't see any mistreatment you know but when you were working and cut off his government you were in somewhat friendly relations with him were not. there was a working relationship sporadic. but i was basically a consultant. he has his own team but some technical issues that relate to my specialisation sometimes yes he gets in touch with me and asks me some questions you know it because back then there was talk that he was trying to democratize or liberalize libyan economy and was it a sincere attempt could it have helped at that point no i don't think it was sincere at all i think it was some sort of a division of labor by gaddafi a

excluding those who committed the crimes against the libyan people those acts should not be exempted those should be the subject of law courts should say they were do you know other than the libyans should be treated equally and this should be granted in the constitution for example cut off the sun safe held in the city of tun. do you think he can be tried instead in the international criminal court is it do you think he's getting a fair trial in libya if he's tried by his enemies. i mean. first. off is a libyan because a crimes were committed in libya and so it's the three libya is not a member. of the court to. no one which grounds you know the international community or the i.c.c. is talking about safely been tried in the sea but you feel like he's getting a fair trial in libya has been tried once you know two or three sessions you know and we didn't see any mistreatment you know but when you were working and cut off his garment you were in somewhat friendly relations with him were not. there was a working relationship sporadic. but i was basically a consultant. he has his own tea

>> well, anderson, this guy was taken into libyan custody on the eve of the prime minister, the libyan prime minister and foreign minister who met with the president just this week, the fbi was given direct access. that's a huge accomplishment for the fbi. oftentimes this is the subject of negotiation. i don't suspect it was any different here. but as the prime minister was preparing to meet with president obama, they obviously decided to permit the fbi under libyan supervision while shibli is in custody for the fbi to put questions directly to him. >> was he just captured? do we know? >> it appears from my libyan source that the individual shibli has been in libyan custody not for a prolonged period of time but they obviously wanted the opportunity to question him directly themselves. after some period of time, it may have been brief, but after some period of time they did give the fbi direct access. that's only been in the last couple days. >> how much do we know about his involvement that he may have had? >> not clear. so the libyan source i spoke to was very clear to me, this is al

before the libyans were warning an attack was imminent.e ambassador requested security and denied that, security requested. and during that the president just disappears, doesn't ask any questions, not curious what happened to ambassador stevens? so we have competence during and coverups afterwards, i don't know which is worse. >> nothing is good here. if you look at before, the warnings were serious enough that something should have been done. you also had previous attacks on the british ambassador's motorcade, on this consulate it's he hasel itself. and we knew it was the anniversary of 9/11. when you think about the attacks in 2001, we know how al-qaeda operates with respect to the anniversaries and we know they like to commemorate this, a victory for them. that in and of itself we should have beefed up security there. there was malfeasance and incompetence before the attack. other thing, sean, during the attack, we had two squadrons of f-16's at the air base and could have been there in 90 minutes, nothing happened. and we had the mari

before the libyans were warning an attack was imminent.mbassador requested security and denied that, security requested. and during that the president just disappears, doesn't ask any questions, not curious what happened to ambassador stevens? so we have competence during and coverups afterwards, i don't know which is worse. >> nothing is good here. if you look at before, the warnings were serious enough that something should have been done. you also had previous attacks on the british ambassador's motorcade, on this consulate it's he hasel itself. and we knew it was the anniversary of 9/11. when you think about the attacks in 2001, we know how al-qaeda operates with respect to the anniversaries and we know they like to commemorate this, a victory for them. that in and of itself we should have beefed up security there. there was malfeasance and incompetence before the attack. other thing, sean, during the attack, we had two squadrons of f-16's at the air base and could have been there in 90 minutes, nothing happened. and we had the marine,

>> anderson, this guy that was taken into libyan custody on the eve of the prime minister -- the libyan prime minister who met with the president just this week. the fbi was given direct access. that's a huge thing. as the prmts is preparing to meet with president obama, they decided to permit the fbi under libyan supervision while shibli was in custody to put questions to him. >> was he just captured? do we know? >> it appears from my libyan source that the individual had been in libyan custody not for a prolonged period of time, but they wanted their chance to question him themselves. after some period of time, it may have been brief. but after some period of time they gave him direct access. >> how much do we know about his involvement that he may have had? >> not clear. so the libya source i spoke to was very clear to me. this was all the subject of the investigation. the interviews being put to him. they don't know whether or not he was present or directly involved on the attack in the benghazi conflict. and they want to know how he participanted in the plansing. >> does that mean

so with the libyan revolution the idea of non-violence had to be laid to rest for the sake of libyans war rages for months. in late august 2011 the rebels, with the help of nato forces, gain the upper hand and advance on tripoli, libya's capital. >> tripoli just fell. within three days they had control of the entire city, which no one had expected. and gadhafi and his whole family fled. there was a lot of excitement in the country because it seemed like it was over. >> but it isn't over. not while gadhafi and his sons remain in hiding. until october 20th, 2011. that day tracy shelton is with a group of militia fighters she's been profiling for months. >> that morning some of the guys from the battalion had gone into cert, and i'd gone in with them. >> around 8:30 a.m. a heavily armored convoy of around 70 vehicles is seen leaving surt, gadhafi's hometown and his last remaining stronghold. >> there were snipers all over the city that were set up to protect the convoy. everybody knew there was somebody important in this group. >> nato forces bombed the caravan from the air. dozens are k

so we the libyan revolution, the idea of non-violence had to be laid to rest for the sake of libyans.the war rages for months. in late august 2011, the rebels with the help of nato forces gain the upper hand and advance on tripoli. libya's capital. >> tripoli just fell within three days they had control of the entire city which no one had expected. and gadhafi and his family fled. there was a lot of kpooimt in the country because it seemed like it was over. >> but it isn't over. not while gadhafi and his sons remain in hiding. until october 20th, 2011. that day tracy shelton is with a group of militia members she's been profiling for months. >> some of the guys went into sert. i went with them. >> a heavy convoy of vehicles is heading to his last remaining stronghold. >> there were snipers all over the city set up to protect the convoy. everybody knew there was someone important in this group. >> nato forces bombed the caravan from the air. dozens are killed. >> there were a lot of survivors who had run into bushes and housing in this area. >> as rebel fighters prepare to go, shelton

is a strategic target for too many too many players and in the region and worldwide many libyans that i've been spoken to and most of them are people who never liked qaddafi because there are very educated they studied abroad but they tell tell me that one thing that could not not be denied is that during khadafi there was seen a sense of security and stability in libya and this is something they were lacking greatly right now how much time they think it will take for libyans to feel secure and first ability when you see the post conflict periods are always difficult one it's not on the.

he has been a champion of the libyan ref exclusion noted for that.his movie depicted that struggle. today he wrote in the "dailybeast" that he might be unwelcome in libya. he has been a vocal supporter of the french intervention in mali and supports action in syria. i am pleased to have him back at this table. welcome. >> great to see you. >> rose: thips the overflow of gaddafi, how has libya progressed? >> in the good sense, libya is probably the only of the three countries who have revolutions who is in the process of democracy. the radical islamists were beaten in libya. they took power in egypt. they took power in tunisia. they were electorally beaten last july in tripoli. the prime minister today in libya, is a close friend of mine, a muslim, but enlightened, democrat, friend of the west, and he visited the -- >> rose: you made a film which has not been released in america yet, which chronicled you and your appeal to president sarkozy to get involved, and he did. it's called "the oath of it, abrook, "and we'll see part of that now. i'll take a l

xplains whythe inteention changed the libyan perception of the west.here it is. >> what happened in libya, is west, the christian, jewish, western society, civilization stood by the people against a tyrant, against a regime. al qaeda builds its logic on saying the west is supporting tyrants and oppressors against the people. this is why let's fight the west. now what happened in libya is the opposite. >> i call him in a recent article in the "daily beast" the prince of the shababs. he is the map in charge of all the civilians fighting against gaddafi, learning how to use weapon and so on. and now at the moment when we are speaking, he is disarming the militias. he is a very great man. i must say, he's muslim, not completely moderate. he's closed to muslims brothers. that is what makes interesting what he just said. for the first time, you have muslim brother-- who discovered that the west was not an opt logical enemy, a natural enemy. for the first time, such a man discovered that there was not a fatality of the west being against an arab people. for t

we saw that weapons from the libyan conflict ended up in mali. where, potentially, could arms and up if they were shipped to the rebels in syria? >> one of the issues was after gaddafi fell, we did not get on the ground in an active way to try to help the libyan authorities stabilize the situation, so, as a consequence, both weapons and fighters went from libya into syria and into mali, for example. there are arms going into syria now, and the people who have those arms, which are increasingly extremist, are using those to knock over arsenals of the syrian army and seizing more arms in syria. my point is this -- there are arms going in now. they are going to the most extreme elements. that is not a good situation. let's level the playing field and get some arms into some groups that are more willing to have an inclusive and democratic solution. >> do you think that could potentially tip the balance against the president at this point? >> i think it is remarkable how well the under-armed opposition groups are doing. one of the things they keep com

we saw that weapons from the libyan conflict ended up in mali. where, potentially, could arms and up if they were shipped to the rebels in syria? >> one of the issues was after gaddafi fell, we did not get on the ground in an active way to try to help the libyan authorities stabilize the situation, so, as a consequence, both weapons and fighters went from libya into syria and into mali, for example. there are arms going into syria now, and the people who have those arms, which are increasingly extremist, are using those to knock over arsenals of the syrian army and seizing more arms in syria. my point is this -- there are arms going in now. they are going to the most extreme elements. that is not a good situation. let's level the playing field and get some arms into some groups that are more willing to have an inclusive and democratic solution. >> do you think that could potentially tip the balance against the president at this point? >> i think it is remarkable how well the under-armed opposition groups are doing. one of the things they keep com

is a strategic target for too many too many players and in the region and worldwide many libyans that have been spoken to and most of them are people who never liked things because they're all very educated they studied abroad but they tell tell me that one thing that cannot not be denied is that during khadafi there was seen a sense of security and stability in libya.

it was only twenty one when he died in syria and already he was a veteran of the libyan libyan war against can gadhafi. despite his young age of the quite difficult he studied. for his life is very much. the friends that i've spoken to is very much very british in many ways is a london boy despite that i think you found. in syria very attractive fish authorities are very concerned he. highlighted in this count terrorism report how worried should they be how much of a threat do you think it says to britain well i think that the report said there were probably around one hundred fighters i think the real numbers probably higher would be most concerning for the british security services of british muslims of asian descent of the pakistan you bangladesh or india who might go to places like syria because they're the ones in the past ten years or so who've been involved in the most dangerous terrorist threats in the u.k. thank you very much for joining us and they describe the phenomena i don't think anyone could have had any idea of just how complex and how far reaching implications of what is

productize the natural gas as well as the oil industry inside of libya of course the majority of libyansare suffering immensely as a result of this post gadhafi political configuration and as we've seen the clashes between the various militia groups as well as the so-called army that is ostensibly under the control of the general national congress is still not going to situation where it could actually bring about stability. coming up delving deeper into the mystery of the death of a man that helped shape the twentieth century joseph stalin stay with us. world. science technology innovation all these developments from around russia we've got the future covered. as it was the envy of ambrose. never put his trust in anyone and rightly so. his body was found on the floor of his shoes and tails. did he die of natural causes. the mystery of stone. on a documentary. hold it. hold it. i. will. speak. with. a good. mind of a little. sixty years ago there was only one person who could ride out of the kremlin spassky tower gate in an homage cis one one five soviet limousine he had any emperor woul

libya would be in the same situation like egypt and tunisia today you know so it's always not the libyan economy in general i think libya because of this oil was the subject of being targeted by too many countries because.

oil and they went in and nato bombing of libyan cities for six months we still have no casualty figures so and and. mercifully and intervention openly intervention in syria has been stopped but the situation bears pretty grim but they have virtually no solicitor all be. buyers of the world act only in their own interests the rule about them being a group of people being in bed all cured by history teaches us that ok mr ali we will have to leave it there thank you very very much for your insight and your time today calley and the story and political campaign. it is a nail biting time for savers in cyprus awaiting a delayed parliamentary vote on letting the government help itself to up to ten percent of their cash to stop the country going bankrupt the unprecedented move to dip into people's pockets is to secure a vital cash injection from the e.u. and the i.m.f. as our europe correspondent peter all of the reports the run on banks and chewing process are only making things worse. well the question nobody was willing to answer here in berlin was anything to do with cyprus in fact neither

productize the natural gas as well as the oil industry inside of libya of course the majority of libyansre suffering immensely as a result of this post gadhafi political configuration and as we've seen the clashes between the various militia groups as well as the so-called army that is still simply out of the control of the general national congress is still on it could actually bring about stability. coming up we delve deeper into the mysterious death of a controversial figure who helped to shape the twentieth century joseph stalin. john kerry made his first major verbal gaffe as secretary of state by mixing the nonexistent country of courage to stand in one of his speeches of course it is funny when politicians misspeak george bush was pretty good at that but i can say that we all make mistakes when we speak trust me it is very easy to butcher the pronunciation of someplace on earth like course to low volar walla walla washington the thing is that he didn't just misspeak his speech was written correctly and if you look at his eyes as he said it he wasn't really looking at notes or some

that group is now actually working for libyan government.ontracted by libyan government to provide security in benghazi. that may amaze a lot of people watching. it's true. do you trust the libyan government which is obviously crucial in this, to bring those who killed american citizens to justice given that they are currently now working with the group that the u.s. said was responsible for killing those americans? >> well, it was really eastern libya that started this. and one of the frustrations in an e-mail that ambassador stephen sent back to the state department, he indicated that they were working with these militant groups including this group. but they also foreshadowed the attack on benghazi, in my opinion, in an e-mail that ambassador stephens sent to the state department because on page two of that memo, he talked about the fact that we at the state department supported the prime minister candidate in libya that the people in benghazi didn't like. i know that's kind of convoluted and confuconfusing. but those militant groups warn

libyan war against going to gadhafi. despite his young age and the despite the fact that he studied in the u.k. he lived in new working on his life is very much. to the friends that i've spoken to is very much a very british in many ways as a london boy despite that i think he found your jihad in syria very attractive and ultimately proven to be proved to be a fatal attraction because he was ultimately killed in homs fish authorities are very concerned the state senate highlighted in this country terrorism report how worried should they be how much of a threat do you think it is to britain well i think that the report said there were probably one hundred fighters i think the real numbers probably are higher. but it depends whether we classify them as british born or simply happen to be living in the u.k. if they simply happen to be live in the u.k. i think the number will be be higher. but i think there are also two levels of threats here there are. arabs who live in the u.k. one lived for a long time of the u.k. who hav

sources confirming to fox news libyan national has been deta detained in libya. fox news also confirming three survivors of the attack were diplomatic security agents. two were hurt at the cia in the second wave of the attack. the third suffered smoke inhal ration at the consulate. we have been demanding to have more about the attack. >> he disappeared more than a year ago now this movie executive gavin smith was murdered. investigators revealing his mercedes was found at a storage facility on february 21st. it was connected to a convicted drug dealer who is also a person of interest. his wife had some type of a relationship people say. smith the married for of three was last seen driving or leaving a friend's house lahrs may. his body has never been found. the obama administration told you that hundreds not thousands of illegal immigrants were released from local jails because of the sequestration. but immigration and customs enforcement director john morton now admits more than 2,000 illegals were freed across the country. ten were level one offenders the most

both of those were seen together in the libyan conflict, which is unusual. it is very unusual. >> hard to get exact confirmation. there is little doubt that these weapons are crossing borders. >> these are brought under control. it is a game changer. overcoming the army in just a few days, it really should be on top of the agenda. >> the instability will convince leaders that something must be done. sexthe question of same- marriage will go between the u.s. supreme court and will be hearing arguments about the challenge being unconstitutional. >> edith and her partner work together for 44 years, and a married couple. as the surviving spouse, she was unable to claim a merrill tax deduction. it bars the federal government from recognizing same-sex marriages. advocates will argue that the law is unconstitutional. new york who treats all marriages equally. >> of the freedom to marry is a question that he's to be addressed. peoplerong to exclude for marriage, and america is ready for the supreme court to do the right then. insuring a ban on the far constitutions.

was the united states warned by libyans? that's next. >> it is 15 minutes after the top of the hour. here's what you missed while you were sleeping. they knew an attack was coming. libyan officials warned the obama administration about our consulate being in danger days before the benghazi terror attack. that is reportedly according to documents the administration just released. we are being told administration press officers were responsible for removing al qaeda references in the talking pointsdz points. >> it is being called a blap tant attack. pushing a bill to require anger management classes for any one buying ammunition. it would mandate a 3 day waiting period for any gun or ammo sale to someone who has not taken the classes. gun rights advocates say it's unconstitutional. >> let's go to stories you can bank on this morning. al gourmet be headed to court for selling current tv, that was his tv network to al-jazeera. we are talking about a major lawsuit because there's a guy who says he helped facilitate the sale to al

. >> an egyptian christian held in a libyan jail has died. voice of the martyrs reports he was detained simply for spreading the gospel. akeem suffered from asthma and other ailments. he had been sent to the hospital with chest pains and breathing problems. experienced shortness of breath, died. more bad news for christians in libya. witnesses say unidentified attackers set a benghazi church on fire. security official says forces stopped the attackers before gospel. al-qaeda is on the rise in north africa. in the bull's eye is country of mali. gary lane traveled to the town of diaboli. >> reporter: for more than a fight in mali. 75-year-old villager describes how rebel gun fire frightened him. he has never sxeerns ee ee eed experienced such terror. >> they started selling drugs. >> and train them to be good drug dealers. something? >> cut off their hands, no. that is not koranic law >> reporter: when the french thankful. they have traumatic stories to tell. this man says they beat him and carried him away on sticks like meat. rebels shot and

libya would be in the same situation like egypt and tunisia today you know so it's always not the libyan economy in general i think libya because of this oil was the subject of being targeted by too many countries because this oil wealth is needed not only for libya maybe you know to finance some other projects in the region you know. taking a look at the european economy today ordered. recession and. the situation which. is in today you know i think libya can be use it or at least is being seen as an alternative you know to finance in compensation for the lead.

it libya would be in the same situation like egypt and tunisia today you know so it's always the libyan economy in general. i think libya because of this oil was the subject. of being target by too many countries because this. is needed not libya maybe in.

. >> we have overcome many of those hurdles with the help of libyan authorities who have exhibited a willingness to support us in our investigation and it is progressing. >> judge jeanine: is really? six months and $132 million later and we are still wishing and hoping. and then there is ali harzai. a member of an extremist network with ties to al-qaeda actually in custody in tunisia. >> they were in people waiting for five weeks. the initial time they went out. >> they were in -- they were in tripoli for a good long time waiting to go in. >> but into tunisia, too. because of the attack on the embassy in tunisia on i think it was september 14 three days later. >> judge jeanine: really? five weeks and we give tunisia $320 million? and finally. abu jamal set up the train camps in north africa for terrorists. we he haven't spoken to him either. >> when i egypt i gave them a letter specifically asking president morrisey to allow the fbi to interview the person they have in custody. has the fbi been given access to the individual jamal? egypt? >> no, not yet. >> and just last week secreta

source tells fox news the libyan authorities are questioning a libyan national.are seeking to determine whether he witnessed the deadly attack on the u.s. mission in libya last september or played a more formal role. four americans died there, including the ambassador. the u.s. slapped financial sanctions on a greek businessman for allegedly operating a secret shipping network on behalf of the iranian government. officials say the purpose was to get around the international sanctions on the iranian oil industry. iranian media say the military test fired several short range missiles in an army exercise in central iran. move that brings the iranian nuclear threat back to focus. >> we take that, it would take over a year or so for iran to actually develop the nuclear weapon. but obviously, we don't want to cut it too close. what we are going to be doing is to continue to engage internationally with iran, understanding that we set up the toughest sanctions ever. it is having a significant effect. >> bret: president obama speaking to israeli television. the pentagon a