now the there is a challenge for the libyan transitional council for the people themselves and i think that nato should be as reluctant as possible to interfere once more let the libyans themselves establish security let themselves go their way politically so i think the next step should be to really find out where gadhafi is and then really try to stop the fighting but this may be may turn out to be quite difficult as practically everybody has as an army has had an on have a gun and this would be a very critical measure taken by the government and then of course the next steps have to follow the political steps getting some sort of legitimacy for the transitional council. of middle east experts and casework says nature is using the rebels to turn into a failed state this is it with iraq and afghanistan. this war is fundamentally a war to maintain africa in a true born position in the global economy and twenty ten years after you made a proposal to the african union that was adopted that no african country would allow us based on its soil since that time the u.s. has been desperate to

now the there is literally for the libyan transitional council for the people themselves and i think that should be. possible toward interfere once more let the libyans establish security let them settle their way politically ok we really won't know what will happen until maybe a few months from now but let's just look to let's say egypt where there was an uprising it brought about a sudden rapid change but then there was disappointment do you think there's a danger that the libyans will feel the same way say six months from now or eight months when if there is an election as the n.t. says so will they be disappointed. think so for the situation in libya is much more difficult than the situation in egypt has been in egypt we had a couple of prominent politicians we had certain social and political associations even political parties nothing of this we see in libya and then we have a very divided society in terms of religion in terms of tribes so i think it's much more critical now of the the zero hour for the libyans than it has been for the egyptians a couple of months ago ok just ve

now there is a challenge for the libyan transitional council for the people themselves and i think that nato should be every reluctant as possible to interfere once more to let the libyans themselves establish security let themselves go their way politically so i think the next step should be to really find out where gadhafi is and then really try to stop the fighting but this may be may turn out to be quite difficult as practically everybody has as an army has had an arm has a gun and so this will be a very critical measure taken by the government and then of course next steps have to follow the political steps getting some sort of legitimacy for the transitional council. and in about twenty minutes time watch archie's interview with a british m.p. who's voted against the intervention well he explains why that's coming up on our t.v. and also this hour surviving on. the us car makers who once received bailouts are now reaping the rewards one more locals at detroit are forced to deal in sprout just to make ends meet. and a real out of this world experience are russian built over tall ho

now the there is a challenge for the libyan transitional council for the people themselves and i think that nato should be as we elect reluctant as possible toward interfere once more like the libyans themselves is their security let themselves go their way politically so i think the next step should be to really find out where gadhafi is and then really try to stop the fighting but this may be may turn out to be quite difficult as practically everybody has has an army has an arm has a gun and so this will be a very critical measure taken by the government and then of course next steps have to follow the political steps getting some sort of legitimacy for the transitional council. the u.k. has gone beyond at the u.n. resolution on libya says british m.p. very gardiner he's from the opposition labor party and voted against the intervention you can wash your full interview next hour but here is a preview. it was very clear in the original un resolution it was very clear our prime minister spoke in parliament here that there would be no occupation force one of the things that troubled me

libyan situation. turkey's foreign minister is set to fly to the rebel stronghold of benghazi today. officials of the national transitional council, the chair of the alliance of nations has worked to deal diplomatically with the libyan conflict. rebels say they control most of the area. elsewhere in libya, zawiya, two of moammar gadhafi's sons earlier reported as captured by libya's rebels are now actually free. among the two is saif ellis lamb gadhafi. he showed up in one of the city's pro-gadhafi strongholds. >> the events is the arab awakening or arab spring although it's moving to summer. summer is almost over. mass demonstrations have taken place in tunisia, egypt, yemen, bahrain and other, in iran. if gadhafi is toppled, what effect could that have on the reskron? >> we're joined by john in cnn. within libya, there are divisions, different tribes, different groupings. this is a movement that started in the east. how easy will it be to reunite the country? >> in fact, people are talking about the fall of moammar gadhafi, charles. then the smooth transition. we know that the council has its roots in -- is trying to unify the

failure to do so will show the world what the libyan transitional council is really all about, and bywho is going to govern libya? ed in harrisburg, pennsylvania, he ought to be asked how he likes to spell his last night for his obituary and then shot. rick says that shall be up to the people of libya. considering the violent nature of that part of the world, i would expect their actions to be violent. joe on facebook writes he ought to be arrested and held accountable in a court of law. facing his victims or families of his victims. this is an opportunity for the libyan people to demonstrate that they are better than gadhafi, and it would be an appropriate beginning to a new democratic state. kevin in california suggests he ought to be returned to lockerbie from 30,000 feet. if you want to read more on this, go to my blog, cnn.com/caffer cnn.com/caffertyfile or from the post on "the situation room"'s facebook page where the quality of the communications continues to improve. wolf? >> certainly does, jack. thank you. >>> and you're in "the situation room." happening now. breaking news

i think that what is important is for the libyan transitional council to make sure they play by the book when it comes to justice. colonel gadhafi and his sons are men wanted by the international criminal court, and it is wise for the libyans to deliver them to the icc, the international criminal court, instead of doing justice by themselves and hanging gadhafi and his son just like in the past like the iraqis had done to saddam hussein. it will be very important to be wise and slow down enough to take justice in their own hands, and really, i have a lot of people in the national transitional council and i trust their sense of where we are going, and this is a historic moment for them and they definitely don't want to lose it. >> all right. thank you very much for your time and analysis. thank you. >> thank you. >>> and oil prices around the world have already started to fall as gadhafi's regime topples, and prices are expected to slide more and we will tell you what to expect in a half hour. as we told you earlier today, the congressional black jobs tour comes to florida and it follows

joining us now here in washington is the ambassador of the libyan transitional council.he ambassador of the government of libya. he broke with gadhafi and now represents the rebels. this is the organization that's recognized by the u.s. government. the other nato allies and many middle eastern countries. thu thanks for joining us. give us your impression about what's going on now. >> this is the happiest day in my life and the people of libya. we are very happy that the control was peaceful. it was with less casualties, minimum of casualties. and now the revolutionaries are dealing with the principles. they are surrendering their arms and the coordination between the tnc and the leader from the revolution in different cities and in tripoli. i was really surprised to be very quick and with less casualties. we are now having a more serious job to do after this. my concern is about gadhafi. i do understand he's in tripoli. they do understand also that there are two airplanes to lend air support. they do understand also that they have not been touched by the revolution. i ca

long as threats remain, there's still a job to be done. >> lavoie referred to the libyan national transitional council's demand for pro-gadhafi forces to surrender by saturday, saying nato sees this as an encouraging sign and will watch this situation closely. >>> united nations secretary general ban ki-moon says he plans to send u.n. personnel to libya to help nation building efforts. >> the people of libya are looking to the international community for help. the transitional government will be outlining specific requests in the coming days. >> the secretary general announced the plan to the u.n. security council on tuesday. ban said current trends in libya are encouraging and express hope for a quick conclusion to the conflict and an end to the suffering of the people. libya's deputy ambassador to the u.n. welcomed the news. he told nhk the council seeks support in a wide range of field including the formation of military and police force as well as in education, public health industry and agriculture. >>> in neighbors afghanistan, august has been the deadliest month for u.s. troops since the war ther

london is unfrozen a lot of assets up around two billion dollars has been made for the libyan transitional national council for of these. so you know this is an umbilical cord of support for a fortnight's a new government but the more interesting question is will believe be in tribes be able to hold together a stable government. stable regime will such a regime be able to emerge in this country because in the has to be a lot of questions asked about whether this is actually possible which we've been employed which can then i suppose give her the western powers the reason to get involved to help them establish some sort of a form of a future government and i'm sorry i missed that but i thought i thought that's all we have time for head of the european geo political forum like in brussels many thanks indeed ok right. now fighting in libya is reported to have reached the country's border with tunisia that's where having a gun fire has just been. using army to beef up its presence along the frontier as libyan infiltrators how to allegedly crossed the border course one of every nicholas go is that the spot for

situation has changed on the ground and they want to give that money, plus the libyans on the libyan transition councilthey're asking for $2.5 billion in additional aid. there's a lot of money going on. the key is to get some stability for the people of libya after all of this chaos. >> richard, let's check back in with you as you mentioned that meeting just began. when it is finished. i definitely want to check back in with you at the u.n. for now, we'll let you go. richard, thank you very much. i want to get to mike baker, joining me again today. former cia covert operations officer. mike, okay, first i want to -- let's juxtapose what we're seeing in terms of the images coming out of tripoli and also what we're not. we're seeing amazingly, all the journalists freed from the rixos hotel. all kinds of celebratory gunfire. my question to you in terms of intel, what aren't we seeing? >> well, the outward visuals that we've got, certainly everyone is concerned about the chaos that they're seeing. the firing on the streets, the dumping of weapons outside of the armories. what you're not seeing behind the s

that patton vons of the harbor group two lobbyist firms here have signed on with the libyan transitional national council which the u.s. canada britain spain and germany now recognizes the country's legitimate government both terms work to help the council gain that recognition after being retained by spring things to me whichever way the political wind is blowing here in washington whole lot of time money and resources going to shaping the way the world views are friends and our enemies even our friend of mine as well to help make more sense of this all i spoke to lou innocent she is foreign policy analyst for the cato institute she stands by our studio and i asked her font on whether the current animosity against the former friend in this case libya was different or just par for the course for u.s. foreign policy and here is her take. the recurring pattern of we've seen this not only just during the arab spring and since nine eleven but all actually just all the way through out the cold war and in fact this particular situation is very reminiscent of how the united states served trying to court the tal

sir is we are running low on time here or not will russia ultimately recognize the libyan national transitional council do you think. well if there will be the outcome of the pleasures of today i see no difficulties for russia to recognize these community but not before. their fear resigns because of the final outcome has to be the decision in the choice of the libyan people and nobody nobody else we have no no possibility to interfere in the internal affairs in libya right company because a copy of the chairman of the committee for foreign affairs in the state duma thank you thank you very much. well i mean time e.u. countries are again calling on khadafi to officially step down in the face of the rebel storming of tripoli artie's either ben is in london and brings us more on the european reaction to events now unfolding in libya. well it seems like the prime minister just can't get a holiday right now he's cutting short his vacation once again to deal with what's going on in libya he did the same a couple of weeks ago to come home and sort out the riots here in london but he has welcomed the news tha

meanwhile, the libyan national transitional council -- bill, you were in that for awhile. ey will not allow the guy to be extradited with the justice minister telling reporters, "we will not hand any libyan citizen over to the west. we do not deport any libyan citizens. only qaddafi does that." getting a handle on mcgraw he's health is as difficult as playing "find the real pug. >> that was animatronic. these animal s who have been dead. shouldn't they show us some gratitude and hand the guy over? >> remember, we weren't in charge of this operation, this kinetic military action, whatever it was. i think this is just another indication of just how successful and wonderful this operation was. >> they never should have let the guy go. i can't think of a better place for him to be. there are bombs exploding and gunfire all over the place. pick him up and move him to afghanistan. he is going to die soon. >> i don't think he will die soon. that's what bugs me about this. he will out live me. he was never sifnlght don't you feel that way. don'ts you think we were bamboozled over o

fate is in the criminal court, as they want, should he stand trial in the hague or the libyan transitional council keep hold of him? this is one of the big tests under scrutiny, how the transitional national council in libya will handle building democracy in the country. the fact that these sons have been rounded up is just bad news for moammar gadhafi himself. he must be next on the list. it must be fairly soon to happen, kyra. >> nic, we'll be talking a lot more in the next couple of hours. if gadhafi is negotiating an exit, what is he likely to deal with? let's bring in fran townsend, cnn's national security contributor and member of the cia's external advisory committee and has had experience dealing with gadhafi regime. last year she visit ed high-ranking officials at the invitation of the libyan government. fran, what are you paying attention to right now at this hour? >> reporter: it's interesting, kyra, from a number of perspectives. i met with the gadhafis. once some of these sons are in cap activity, some people think that will affect moammar gadhafi. i do not think so. he is not driven

also promised another $25 million, to help the libyan transitional council.at's tnc and that is the rebels' loosely held form of government and ash getting protective gear for their troops and the u.s. is recouping some of the cost, the allies purchased $220 million worth of u.s. weapons and military equipment, that were used to work hard at the ongoing liberation of libya. gregg: we're learning president obama has contacted some pretty big names, business titans for advice on his new jobs plan. he is set to unveil to the nation, in a couple of weeks. ed henry explains live on martha's vineyard where the president is staying with his family and we hear the white house will have a major announcement on cutting red tape, what is that all about? >> reporter: that's right. something the president has been under pressure from republicans for some time, saying, look, government regulation is strangling businesses. especially in the tough economy, and what they are doing today is announcing all kinds of easing of various government regulations, easing paperwork, all

that were friendly with gaddafi, including france and germany, have recognized the transitional council as the defacto libyan government. doubts remain as to the role of islamist groups among the rebels. there are links between the rebels and outcry data, some alleged -- and alqaeda, some allege. many are skeptical about the form the new country might take, without even parliament -- a parliament. >> it has no structures. everything was dictated by gaddafi. it has to reinvent itself. it is a mammoth task. >> it is a task that they will not have to tackle on their own. the arab league, nato, and the european union have all offered to help. >> chancellor angela merkel has stressed the immediate need to prevent further bloodshed in libya. what she says berlin will be -- she says berlin will be ready to help rebuild the economy. the chancellor was in zagreb to talk matters of the european union. events in libya were also on the agenda. pledged her support for the country's new leaders -- she pledged her support for the country's new leaders. >> it is important to divert money from the gaddafi regime to this task

conference to focus on rebuilding the country after meeting with executive chairman of the libyan national transitional councilthey talked about what kind of trial may be in store for the long-time libyan leader if he's captured. >> translator: gadhafi has been captured then we can decide whether he'll be tried in libya or outside libya. if he gets captureded then he will have a fair trial. where this trial will take place, whether that is in libya or outside libya, this is obviously the libyan law which would take precedence where he should be tried. >> several countries at the united nations are supporting an effort to quickly provide money for the transitional council. as early as thursday the u.n. security council could vote to override the sanctions committee and release up to $1.5 billion in frozen libyan assets. and more money could be on the way. take a look at this with me. let's look at what libya has. it's estimated anywhere from 100 to $150 billion, even as much as $168 billion of libyan government assets are held overseas. the u.s. holds more than 30 billion. 10% of that is cash, the rest is non-l

. >> the old libyan flag was pulled down and replaced with the flag of the interim rebel government, led by the national transitional council. a libyan diplomat said more than 85% of his country's missions ashtd the globe now back the interim rebel government. in >>> in other news, former prime minister thaksin has dismissed criticism of thailand's new administration. in an interview with nhk, he defended policies such as preferential treatment for the country's rural poor. >> reporter: thailand's new prime minister delivered a policy speech in parliament on tuesday. after winning last month's general election. the younger sister of thaksin pledged to expand the program to buy rice to boost farmers' income. she also promised to revitalize rural farms. thaksin spoke with nhk in tokyo on wednesday, admitting that he was involved in drafting some of the policies announced by the new administration. >> part of the policy during campaigns i helped to share the ideas with the executives at the palace on the ideas of how to help the people. for example, the minimum wage. >> reporter: critics describe the policies as similar to the

have signed on with the libyan trained transitional national council which the united states canada britain spain and germany now recognize as the country's legitimate government of firms work to help the council gain that recognition after being detained this spring. so it seems that whichever way the political wind is blowing here in washington a whole lot of time money and resources go into shaping the way the world views our friends our enemies and our friends. that make more sense of all of this in a sense is he or she is foreign policy analyst for the cato institute i want to talk about all of these different aspects of what's going on. this is not really new if you look back the u.s. back has the mubarak for thirty years that also backed leaders in pakistan nicaragua there is a long history of this so i want to get your take do you think that this is something new this first friendship you know now animosity toward libya toward the dictator in libya is something different or is this sort of just like it's always been that certainly a recurring pattern or we've seen this not only just

government has announced plans to release up to $1.5 billion in frozen libyan assets t transitional national council within days. >> we want to give this money back to the tnc for its use, first and foremost, to meet humanitarian needs and to help it establish a secure, stable government and to move on to the next step in its own roadmap. >> the announcement came after u.s. president barack obama spoke by telephone with french president nicolas sarkozy. they agreed to work with the international community to support a peaceful transition to democracy in libya. >>> let's turn now to nhk world in benghazi where the transitional national council is based. >> reporter: the national council is working hard to find out where gadhafi is hiding. it believes it is unlikely libya's top leader has fled the country. but it seems to have conflicting information on his whereabouts. an opposition spokesperson says he may not be in tripoli and could be hiding in central or southern lya ci citizens are closely watching the hunt for the man who ruled the country for more than four decades. >> translator: i'll be happ

in the east the libyan human rights is directly directly involved in rice documented documents will be out there and it will be directly like and by members of the transitional council were part of the libyan human rights leap they subsequently became members of the transitional council right up to the issues working and there is no paper being in geneva and rights council needs to be examined in the board members of these organizations need to be granted could be united states israel and for of the our i have a big monopoly in geneva over this and they do using the same tactics against the syrian arab republic in eastern mediterranean right now the very briefly because we want to let you get on with your own plans i'm only going to do next what what is i have seen for the next twelve hours will be leaving the country. i've contacted the cuban embassy i've talked to many of us here at my community when you see that immediately by your two parent there's a chinese press t.v. rant and journalists and. tell us. don't want it was myself. on the other side so you can see it if you hear it. there's an roi tripoli from the center for research on globalization thank you for

here the libyan human rights league there directly directly involved in life if you documented the documents will be out and could be directly lied and by a member of the transitional council were part of the libyan human rights week they subsequently became members of the transitional council right actually. issues worry and fears norgate be encouraged but rights council needs to be examined in the board members of these organizations need to be granted because the united states israel and several of the allied have a big monopoly in geneva and it using the same tactics against the syrian arab republic in the eastern mediterranean right now very briefly because we want to let you get on with your own plans and only going to do next what what is ahead for you for the next twelve hours you'll be leaving the country i've contacted the cuban embassy i've talked to. to the cuban you see that immediately right here too. there's a chinese press t.v. every man and the journalists and. those who are in the cubans on one side it was myself and the others are on the other side so you can see you could do it here in the national polls there's an roi tripoli from the center for resear

intervene to stop this because militarily intervene to stop the libyan state it is in the east from overthrowing the yoke of the transitional council which is clearly a nato proxy in libya. western countries are talking about democracy and the right of the libyan people to choose their own leaders in light of the league that we're talking about do you think we'll ever see that kind of rhetoric become a reality for the libyan people well number one it's rhetoric it's never going to be a reality and the people in the transitional council individuals are talking about regime change for several years with nato and american leaders before this happened you can see all of that from the beatings it's different human rights and i mean i didn't think an organization where they talk about government here and dividing the lot of you. it's a three center centers decentralizing it and. trolls. by the united states and the i also know. that the prime minister of italy has stated that the british prime minister and the french president have set their goals that their bombing campaign in tripoli are actually true that the population doubling i can

transitional council. the president of bond -- president of called for the ouster of gadhafi and recognize the transitional council. there's a bit of that threat the council. >> the libyan relations will need relations -- notably algeria, which was supportive of khaddafi. we will see what happens there. we're going to open up now to questions from the audience. we have microphones. speak your questions to the microphone and identify yourself. keep your questions brief and direct them to one of the panelists. >> do you know what rebels, leaders, want to be leaders and how people can trust them? why do you think western nations have all the answers for the middle east problems, including libya? thank you. >> would you like to address that question? >> i have a gut feeling we have not seen the emergence of real leadership in libya yet. i do not think, but this is my personal opinion, that all of those kids and young people who fought in the streets, left their houses, who have seen their brothers and friends killed will accept to be led by a political class that has been [unintelligible] people that have -- someone who has been prime minister some time as with gaddafi cann

a political game or process story the story in libya is whether or not the libyan people and the transitional national council has the capacity to try and form their society into something that more accurately represents the aspirations the legitimate aspirations of the people who live in that society of course but how much is the international community going to be able to control itself to fight the urge this is simply a very large role in setting up who is going to be the next leader alive because this is what's happening all around the arab spring as clearly some of these autocratic leaders you could say have been in power for decades thirty years for a. the years we've worked with them the entire time this is a goldilocks situation if we intervene too much or for too involved then we may interfere with the natural process of developing a new political and social equilibrium if we aren't involved enough then there may be the kind of fragmentation and disorder and continued problems that militate against the kind of long term goals and interests we have in the region and by long term goals and interests we

could help libya's national transitional council. >> reporter: right up to the last minute before libyan opposition forces launched their assault on tripoli, officials close to moammar gadhafi reached out to the u.s., in a desperate attempt to stop the attack. that's what a senior state department official tells cnn. assistant secretary of state, jeffrey feldman says there was a sense of desperation, an attempt by the regime to buy time. the libyans claim they wanted to negotiate but refused to talk about moammar gadhafi leaving power, he says. now as the rebels try to consolidate their military gains in tripoli, the opposition national transitional council in benghazi is trying to activate plans for a political transition. first priority, security. >> we don't need any more civilian life lost in libya. >> reporter: u.s. officials say they are encouragedbly reports the rebels have set up checkpoints around public buildings to promote public safety. tripoli does not look like baghdad looked after the fall of saddam hussein with widespread looting, assistant secretary feldman says. next st

on this is very public meetings with the western leaders and the head of the national transitional council the libyan people are still burying their dead and there remains a big question mark over whether the nato missions justification of humanitarian reasons really stands up to scrutiny now but what you're probably going to see over the coming weeks is that as this is potentially the libyan of the first open up to the european majors they could be fierce competition a banks not only the companies themselves but of course the governments who support the and that's certainly been something that we've been talking about i've been looking at in rome you can hear more about that now. filter the heart of most modern wars and you'll strike oil whether or not. sayings true when it comes to libya well it's going to play a pivotal role in the country's future here we have to fear a strong and. western interest to the torah. and to rebel to ordinary. common interest to restore sanity morris possible to a stranger to the concept of friends with benefits gagne's being quick to casey up to the new transitional c

going on this is very public meetings with western leaders and the head of the national transitional council the libyan people are still paring their dead and there are made a big question mark over whether the nato missions just because of humanitarian reasons really stands up to scrutiny now but what you're probably going to see over the coming weeks is that as this is the tension of the libyan. the european majors they could be fierce competition a banks not only the companies themselves but of course the governments who support the and that's been something that we've been talking about i've been looking at meeting him about that. kill to the heart of most modern wars and you'll strike oil whether or not that sayings true when it comes to libya well it's going to play a pivotal role in the country's future here we have to feel restricted to be. divorced from interest to check each one. to rebel to one where you. live in government interest and we start sharing all of it's possible the stranger to the concepts of friends with benefits berlusconi has been quick to k.z. up to the new transitional coun

in the compound we are looking at right now because i have talked to libyan disdents, people close to the transitional national councile last day or so, they all emphasize getting access to the files is the key to a lot of the unanswered mysteries around the gadhafi regime, both where the money is and also what it has been up to and its ties to terrorism going back over the years. still very much a major topic for u.s. and western officials. but look, it is important to make one distinction. there are billions of dollars that have been frozen by the united states and european and libyan assets. those are the libyan investment authorities, that's the sovereign wealth fund. those are outside the control of the gadhafi regime for months now. and presumably they will be turned over to the transitional council if it indeed takes power as we seem to expect it to. the other question is gadhafi's personal wealth and how much of that can be located and found and can it be distinguished from some of these libyan government wealth funds. after all, he's been head of state for 42 years. and that is still very much and open questi

intervene to stop this because militarily intervene to stop the libyan state it seems in the east from overthrowing the yoke of the transitional council which is clearly a nato proxy in libya. western countries are talking about democracy and the right of the libyan people to choose their own leaders in light of this leak that we're talking about do you think we'll ever see that kind of rhetoric become a reality for the libyan people well number one it's rhetoric it's never going to become a reality needle and the people in the transitional council individuals who are talking about regime change for several years they get what we need or an american leader to be voted out and you can get all of europe from him beating in different human rights and we're going to say that it shouldn't be an organization where we talk about our government here and divide it leave you. your favorite thing it. can be controlled. by the united states and he i also want. to give prime minister of italy. the british probably ended here and did it. all the bombing campaign trip we are actually to get the population galba night to galvanize the population to o

first to the libyan people and the national transitional council in libya.nited states and the international community on how to face the post gadhafi era and then i also think there are implications of the fall of gadhafi and the rest of the arab world and especially syria. on the first point, the immediate challenge for the national transitional council in libya after gadhafi goes is one to restore law and order, to establish an inclusive and just political process of transition in the country which means getting a timeline for constitution for parliamentary elections, that is very important and critically, i think in your last segment you talked about libyan oil and it important role is getting the libyan economy going so it can produce jobs. those are the challenges that the libyan people and the transitional council face in the first instance. >> when we talk about the rest of the world -- i'm sorry to interrupt you. i did want to ask you about syria. when you look at president al assad there struggling to hold on to power, what do you think he's thinki

transitional council, hopefully they will confirm that. at the moment they are still running battles in the street. we don't know how many members of the libyan army still stand. we know the national transitional council had 12 to 15,000 waiting outside the city at the start of today. that will have a decisive impact on the city. >> gregg: dominic did natale -- dominic did that ly producer are telling us through our brain room we did incredible research, algeria did in fact, sign, as a signatory to the international criminal court which has indicted muammar gadhafi for crimes against humanity, seeking the death penalty. algeria may have signed it, they didn't ratify it. technically, they do not have to follow the rules of the icc in handing over muammar gadhafi. keep in mind, the bbc reporting gadhafi has fled to algeria. we have not been able to confirm that. >> heather: that made that news in june, correct? >> gregg: i think it was june 24th. tunisia 24th, algeria about a decade ago. but they never ratified it. >> maybe that's the loophole. >> we had a similar situation in the united states in which president clinton signed on and then pres

lobbyist they've been hired to represent the transitional national council so that the money that the transitional national council is is looking to unfreeze of the libyan assets and get that to come back to washington and the farm of loving. god so this is a paper book so i'm going to launch a war to war so it's a more i'm going to get a bunch of rebels somewhere maybe. for instance the i'm a. tomorrow my war is going to the on the front page will be read the united states as a legitimate writer use it as you got to have a go though they're going to look like we're about fifty thousand dollars a month for one lobbyist was the cap not much or all right we'll have a thank you for being on the show thank you for the news that you broke here and we'll look for your report on monday and hope we get to talk you've got serious and that was asia times correspondent pepe escobar now it began syria and syria today protests continued and government forces reportedly killed seven protesters that in response to unrest we've seen there for a while today russia announced a diplomatic initiative to try to stop the violence the russian ambassador to the united nations

. >>> moving on now, new york nators have asked the libyan transitional national council to arrest abdelbasetate cancer and just three months to live. but he is still very much alive and well. that bombing killed 270 people, including 189 americans. >>> and our coverage for the battle of libya does not end here. we'll get live updates later today on "america this morning" and also look for some extended coverage on "good morning america." >>> hurricane irire is poised to take aim at the southeast coast after drenching puerto rico and knocking out power to a million people. irene is approaching the turks and caicos and it's on track to come ashore in florida, georgia, or the carolinas, making it the first hurricane to make landfall in the u.s. since 2008. here's abc's sam champion. >> reporter: of the nine storms to get a name in this hurricane season, this is the first one to actually become a hurricane. it is likely to become a fierce and powerful hurricane. i'll show you the spaghetti models. the colored lines are different computer forecast models that are saying that's their projected pat

transitional council. stressing the need for a smooth peaceful and as quick as possible transition to this new democratic leadership you said that the future of the libyan people has to be in their own hands but at the same time as all of that he did say that nato forces mandate for being in the country expires in just one month will stay there for as long as it takes a quote an open ended response to that question and also clearly he's willing for it to take is as long as it possible and longer than is desired so there is some uncertainty tempering the jubilation around the rebels' presence in tripoli the other uncertainty is over the question of the frozen assets britain has said it's prepared to release them but there are for the building a new infrastructure in the country and stabilizing it but there is some uncertainty is who those will go to and how they'll be used also uncertainty around the e.u. sanctions a spokesperson for the e.u. foreign affairs committee has said for the time being will remain in place. over libya and will be lifted when the time is right and finally the question mark of course still hangs over. where. is still unknown and

met with the head of libya's national transitional council in paris after talks behind closed doors nicolas sarkozy promised military assistance to the new libyan government for as long as they need it. has the details france becomes the first e.u. power to host the head of libya's transitional national council nicolas sarkozy said that he and nato will continue to supply military equipment to the rebels as long as they need it though he didn't mention the un resolution authorizing intervention in libya which many think actually expressly rules out military supplies to libya rebel leader. said that he sees france as a driving force in the nato campaign against gadhafi troops now the french and british have invited libya's government to a meeting on september the first with e.u. leaders adding that they will meet quote not as military allies but friends but the british prime minister's office has also released a statement saying that the meeting will help to build a free and democratic libya during wednesday's meeting sarkozy also cuts france's economic growth forecast and announced eleven billion dollars in. measures the french president being

organizations, for the state department and other foreign services to work with the libyan transitional national council to start thinking about this process in the arab world, as the abe rabs transition, where it's going to take a lot of work. while i was hardened by what the ambassador said, i'm sure people are thinking, how do we get each of the pieces of support for a process of transition in place quickly? >> and it's not just the issue at the u.s. state department. of course, you have to remember that the french have played a leading role in this in many ways from talking about this being a -- for sarkozy. the british, again, have been at the forefront. it's going to be an issue of the west pulling together and trying to provide a unified forum for support. the other thing you've got to watch now is the rest of the arab world and what signal they do or don't give. it will be interesting to see if tunisia comes down to congratulate the libyan rebels. >> david ignatius, quickly on the question of syria, did the events over the last couple of days change the way we handle syria now? >> well, i think

thing the thing i think is problematic here is where you have a transitional council that i don't think really has legitimacy of. the libyan people i don't think they're really looking to the libyan people to really get a sense that they have the orthorexic to speak on their behalf instead they're looking to the west they're looking to america they're looking to britain to work very closely with them in writing this report's. their approval instead of think and we've seen from sorry i think part of what i'm getting at is that this report we hear. backing this blueprint have some sort of westminster backing so what i'm saying is is what appears to be happening in libya not quite the case is the more going on behind the scenes. well it says what's going on behind the scenes i mean the report was only out this morning we can but speculate and i think really what we see here is that you know we see a transitional council that is looking to the west to about how it's going to direct. the country postcard afy i think it's already counting your chickens for its first starts but it's doing that in many ways actually it's not just

the transitional national council established itself as a credible representative of the libyan peopleunited states, together with our european allies and friends across the region, recognize the tnc as the legitimate governing authority in libya. gadhafi was cut off from arms and cash. his forces steadily degraded. from benghazi to misurata to the western mountains, the libyan opposition courageous yes confronted the regime and the tide turned in their favor. over the last several days, the situation in libya has reached a tipping point. as the opposition increased coordination from east to west, took town after town and the people of tripoli rose up to claim their freedom. for over four decades, libyan people had lived under the rule of a tyrant who denied them most basic human rights. now the celebrations that we've seen in the streets of libya shows that the pursuit of human dignity is far stronger than any dictator. i want to emphasize that this is not over yet. as the regime collapses, there's still fierce fighting in some areas and we have reports of regime elements threatening

moscow at ten thirty am at the top stories libyan rebels reject colonel gadhafi is all further talks about the country's future the national transitional council says it wants to see him in jail and not in the go shooting table. bloodshed in syria continues despite promises of press reforms with activists claiming at least five people were killed over the weekend the arab league has become the latest international bodies and pressure president also to end the fighting. and the ultimate retreat a russian company plans to open a first ever space hotel in just five years it will cost potentially each potential tourist one million dollars to enjoy the out of the world of this world view from the world little until. now back to libya in the wake of the rebel success and gaining control of most of the country there's been a lot of debate regarding nato's role in it arches or emmet has asked the british m.p. who opposed intervention in libya about the role western powers should play in shaping another country's future. today i'm talking to barry gardener who's a labor member of parliament and one of the very few m.p.'s to a very against the intervent