nelson goes with snowe and maybe something to that with lieberman. lieberman, by the way, was a huge player for this white house in getting snowe and collins to sign on to the stimulus bill. so lieberman is a bigger player here sometimes than we realize. >> so let me just underline that and put an exclamation point after what you just said this is a significant development that has just happened. that means now that there is a republican behind this bill, a lot of people were panning baucus bill, no republican support, now there is some republican support? >> let me clarify here. >> yes, clarify. >> let me clarify, in the way they commend the bill, not saying they support it, but come on, we know what the hidden message is here, basically, olympia snow is signing on with a group of three other moderate democrats saying, okay, i can work with this bill. >> pretty significant. nbc's chuck todd with that new information. chuck, as always, thanks so much. >> you got t. >>> let's take that new information and to the bigger picture now. michelle obama will

lieberman: mr. president? the presiding officer: the senator from connecticut. mr. lieberman: i would yield back to the the senator from washington. mrs. murray: if the senator would just allow me to let senators though that with this agreement there will be no further roll call votes tonight. i naingt senator. dsh i thank the senator. mr. lieberman: mr. president, i rise and soon will be joined by my colleagues from arizona and south carolina, senators mccain and graham to speak about the war in afghanistan. mr. president, for the first time since 9/11, a national debate is under way about the future of our fight in afghanistan. this is appropriate. whenever our nation sends our brave men and women in uniform into harm's way, it is both natural and necessary that we should have a vigorous national conversation about why we are doing so. whether it is necessary for our national security and what the right strategy is to achieve our objectives. the truth is we have not had such a debate since the dec

center joe lieberman, chairman of the homeland security committee joins us.e's warn thagt next terror attack is more likely to be biological and introducing new legislation. thanks so much for joining us. what will your legislation do that other pieces of legislation in homeland security have not in the past? >> thanks for having me on again. this legislation that i'm introducing with senator susan collin wlos is the ranking republican on the homeland security committee of the senate that i'm privileged to chair grows out of warnings that our committee got just december of last year from the director of national intelligence, former director, mike mcconnell, who predicted that within the next five years, really by 2013, you now almost four years, there will be a weapons of mass destruction attack carried out by terrorists somewhere in the world and, of course, the united states is a prime target, that it would more likely be a biological attack because of the ease of getting -- relative ease of getting biological weapons in a nuclear attack. so what sthor col

. >>> if you've been wrong on as many national security issue as joe lieberman has, it takes a specialcall the president a wuss because he didn't listen to you and instead took the unanimous advice of the joint chiefs of staff and the defense secretary. joe lieberman and mitt romney and a bunch of other national security geniuses are going after the president on defense. that's next. >>> plus, kent jones has a shocking report that involves a anchorman and a defenseless chicken. >>> first, time for a couple of holy mackerel stories. >> i've also said that one of the options in the insurance exchange should be a public insurance option. >> wild applause! president obama gave a raised high speech at the university of maryland today before a huge crowd of students who packed the school's 1,000 seat basketball arena to see him. the crowd is very enthusiastic. the president repeated his most crowd-pleasing, crowd-rousing rhetoric on health care. it all went about how you would expect it to. a very positive rah, rah experience until, a surprise moment. listen to this. >> four out of five comm

to look at joe lieberman and john mccain on some issues and we're worried about getting criticism from you, criticism from them is almost a badge of honor in american politics. those guys have never seen a war they didn't want to escalate and never looked at a country they didn't want to start a war with. >> the whole question of race, the president dealt with it, i thought, very effectively on letterman, he was black people before voted for him. >> i believe that some of the right wing extremists, which oppose president obama, are also racially prejudice. and we prefer not to have an aphfrican-american president. but i don't believe all the people who oppose him on health care and all the conservatives are racist. and i believe if he were white, every single person who opposes him now would be opposing him then. >> did clinton have the balance right, as far as you're concerned? what do you think? >> i think talking about racism on one hand is very simple and on the other hand very hard. it motivates american politics and racial prejudice affects lots of our hearts, it is who we are. p

senator joe lieberman. back to the ceo of cigna. i apologize to you as well with the craziness of today's broadcast. i want to follow-up on something senator lieberman mentioned. the deal is essentially made on the broadest of concepts costs. but going for a public auction, at least not right away. trying to cover false for pre- existing conditions, trying to cover folks affordability of coverage, and therein lies your deal. >> we need to understand exactly what the trigger is that will bring the public option back on the table. i would be very interested in that, and obviously, i have not seen or heard that. neil: steel industry is afraid of this trigger. obviously, you cannot compete on price with the government. it would be like a trojan horse, really meant to snuff you out. >> we have to be sure that we can fulfil our at the of the responsibilities that will be asked of us. if we are going to improve access and get costs down, and improve quality, we think there are absolutely ways to do that. the private industry can do that, a

joe lieberman, evan bayh. what do you think the situation is in tehran? they've gone through a summer of unrest based upon the elections and street riots. who's in charge in iran? ahmadinejad who's no longer the craziest guy in town. the guy from libya is even crazier this week. or is it the ayatollahs in iran? who's running that country? >> two points first of all. after this crackdown this summer, it's clear that president ahmadinejad has more power than he did in his last term. the collective leadership that existed in iran for many, many years, decades is now split with the most extreme members of that collective leadership led by the leader mr. hamani and now president ahmadinejad, fully in charge and the more moderate so-called conservative, true conservatives, some of the clerics, a number of the business men, et cetera, the more reasonable ones are now in opposition to this government. so this is the most extreme government in iran that's ever existed. people will argue they've always been extreme. i think it's clear this is the most extreme gover

. >> senator lieberman joins us. this is a big day. a big turning point for american foreign policy. the president has pivoted a bit. he is putting less pressure on israel to completely free set mmem setlement ts before engaging in talks. something that has distressed p palestinian. he is urging both sides to do something and do it now. he's clearly inpatient. let's watch what he had to say today. >> the united states does israel no favors when we fail to couple on unwavering commitment to its security with an insistence that israel respect the legitimate claims and rights of the palestinians. [ applause ] and nations within this body do the palestinians no favors when they choose visit reeal attacks against israel over constructive willingness to recognize israel's legitimatesy. >> your former colleague george mitchell came back empty handed last week from the latest round of negotiations. does the m obama administration now have the balance right? or do you still think that more needs to be done in order to get these talks going? >>

according to joe lieberman. now, this is the same rhetoric, folks, we have heard for five months.ns have had five chances to vote and get on board for health care reform. they're holding us hostage. not one has taken the chance to move forward. if the baucus plan goes through, it will water down any chance for health care reform. it's only going to get worse from here. if it goes through, reform isn't going to be reform. it's going to be weak. joining me now, e.j. dionne, columnist from "washington post." great to have you with us tonight. >> good to be with you. >> you know where i stand on this. yes. is the white house bound and determined to go get bipartisan support on this, or will they do it alone? what do you think? >> when you were playing that 100 hours clip, it felt like baucus has been negotiating for three years price process has gone on so long. i think that delay did not help health care refrm. i don't think the baucus bill can pass in its current form and don't think it should pass. before you get to the public option issue, if you look at the subsidies of this plan

lieberman: i thank the chair. mr. chairman of the senate committee on homeland securi and governmental affairs, i'm pleased to both express my unqualified support for the nomination of cass sunstein to lead the office of information and regulatory affairs, which was family known in government circles as oira, and also to favorably report the bill out from -- the nomination from our homand security committee. this nomination w considered and reported out by the mmittee on may 20th, that was almost 3 1/2 months ago. but, unfortunate, professor sunstein's nomination has been the subject of unnecessary holds and delays. and this is an important positionhat needs to be lled. so i want to thank majority leader reid for bringing this portant nination to a vote. obviously there is a filibuster and we will now need to invoke cloture so that professor sunstein can get on with the important job that president obama has nominated him to do for our country and each one of us. what oira? it is one of those governmental agencies tha

lab lieberman, and snow, and what is the new gang of four? >> reporter: well, we have all known, republican olympia snow, one of the three republicans at the time who supported the president on the stimulus package was always going to be a major player. notice the other democrats that signed on with her in that statement, that shows you that in order -- this is just not about getting her but getting her guarantees the last four or five, some of the more conservative democrats in the senate caucus. every sign olympia snow is giving is that she wants to find a reason to support the legislation and not oppose it. take a look at her interview. >> i have always been a republican for the traditional principles associated with the republican party. i have not changed as a republican, i think more my party has changed. >> reporter: she is giving an indictment on her own party. she has given off every clue that she is working for a way to work with the democrats and the senate finance committee. the question is do they get her -- at this point, if you

. -- today, joe lieberman, evan bayh put out joint statements today about their feelings on iran. hawkish statement. very sort of a message to the president about getting tough. there could be bipartisan bills that come out of congress with a lot of teeth. a lot of sanctions in it that could pop up as a bill for the president to sign before he can make any headway, frankly, when it comes to what he's trying to do. this b 5 plus 1. and then you have this line in the sand that the president sort of drew for next week, but so, you know, look, it depends on what the iranians do. then said, well, they have a few weeks. do they show up, number one? do they agree to basic, some basic things that these six nations have been asking them for starting with allowing for inspections by the international atomic agency? >> thank you jamie rubin and chuck todd. coming up, the democrats could be up for a rough 2010 campaign season. the fund-raising is dropping while the republicans are raking in the bucks. can the. we're a talking to strategists we're a talking to strategists on both sides of the

could have happened is even harder to explain when you consider who made the complaint: senator joe lieberman, head of the homeland security committee. his staffers say they notified krongard's office about security and all from allegations made by high-level whistle-blowers from inside armor group, the company that provides embassy security. do you remember that? >> no. i have no knowledge of that whatsoever. >> reporter: but cbs news has learned krongard had a special and controversial link to the company he should have been policing. his brother buzzy, former executive director of the c.i.a. was on armor group's board of directors, armor group's kabul embassy contract is worth $187 million tax dollars. did you know your own brother was on armor groups board of directors. >> no, i do not. >> reporter: why didn't you know? >> i don't know. i guess number one i'm not sure why i should have known but number two he never told me. >> reporter: you should have known, i think, in the opinion of a lot of people, because it would be a perceived conflict of interest. >> he was a senior official in th

so senator lieberman and i had offered this amendment -- this sense of the senate. it passed the bill -- senate just a few weeks ago. i believe it's the right policy. and i think the administration is trying to do some perhaps good things. they think maybe -- i would say that they are attempting to placate or somehow reach out to russia and gain some strategic advantage from that. although the secretary of defense, i understand today, said it didn't have anything to do with russia on foreign policy, and i'm not sure that the administration acknowledges that either. but i would say that nato -- the czech premier yan fisher said thursday in an associated press article said thursday -- quote -- "president barack obama told him washington had decided to scrap the plan that deeply angered russia." so it seems to me that's a part of it. now, let's go to the core of this russian objection. as i've said on the floor -- and i won't go into detail about it again -- russia knows this system poses no threat to their massive arsenal. they know that. this has been a political obj

senator mccain and senator lieberman worked on a bill two or three years ago. i think it got just 36 votes. and then last year the warner-lieberman version of the bill got 48 votes, and it needed 60 votes. earlier this year we had 66 or 67 senators, including 2,000 democrats who voted to say don't put the economy-wide cap-and-trade bill through the so-called reconciliation process, the budget process which would only take 50 votes to pass. and then add to that, health care is in the ditch. i mean, the president has said that there can't be any deficit added to by the health care bill. so that kills it deader than a doornail. the house passed -- not even passed in the house. the house health care bill worked on by several committees over there. it kills deader than a doornail the senate health care bill because both add to the debt in the next ten years. and according to congressional budget office and others who have reviewed it, add to the debt in the ten years after that. so, the president said he won't sign a bill with any deficit, the house bill's deader th

they have to depend on the likes of joe lieberman to get them through this, and that's a wedding nonef them want to attend. bret: mara, we heard the joint chiefs chairman, admiral mullen, say there will be a request for more forces. just to hear this number, however, p from general mcchrystal is pretty shocking. >> it is pretty shocking. maybe that's not the number that will come out. maybe it is going to be in pieces. he asked for a certain amount of that right away. look, i think one of the things the p president was referring to when he said he has to figure out the strategy, he has to figure out how he will sell it to his own party, and part of that will be for the afghans to shoulder a certain amount of the burden in the conflict over there, but i think it's inconceivable that a democratic president who ran on the war in afghanistan, saying it was the good war, the war that george bush took his eye off the ball from, that that was the central front in the war on terror. i can't imagine how he could turn down the request and advice of his top mild terry can terry -- top military c

there was a news conference where the mayor commissioner and joe lieberman and others challenged congress to fund the securing the city's program, to protect others from terrorism. >> no city relies more heavily on mass transit than new york does. terrible train bombings in madrid and london and mumbai i think only underscores the importance of these new grants. >> we are learning more about the 24-year-old afghan immigrant. the friends and neighbors describe him as a guy who loves video games. that love turned to a love of cell phones and computers. he was very friendly but there are some customers who are now coming out and say they noticed a shift a few years ago. zazi makes his first federal court appearance and he will hear the charges against him which could bring him life in prison if convicted. >> gregg: thanks very much. >> julie: president obama back to domestic policy following a week on the world stage. she pushing for a final passage of health care reform and by the looks of it last night before the congressional black caucus dinner, president obama is ready to go. >> there w

joseph lieberman: on 9/11/01 america changed, obviously.lost about 3,000 of our fellow americans, but we also, in some sense, lost our innocence. >> i think what changed on september 11 for so many americans was the fact that it was brought home, and we realized the vulnerability that we face. but the purpose of terror, of course, is not to necessarily kill people, although that's part of it; it's to terrorize. the purpose of terrorism is to alter people's behavior, and therefore the most vulnerable people in the world are free peopl >> bush: we recognized with absolute clarity that there is an enemy, that has a set of bewould like to do us harm to achieve their objectives. i think the nation became more compassione on that day, the nation became more united on that day, and the nation became more determined on that day. >> ( jet roars overhead ) >> it all happened here... the point of impact. on september 11, 2001, a direct attack on american soil signaled the birth of an entirely new world. what followed was a surge in patriotism not seen

cereal aisle, from bran to wheat to little round oats, the cereal aisle has it all or maybe no bonnie lieberman the center of science and public interest says cereal isn't always what it's milk up to be. >> it can be an excellent food. the problem is cereal labels are tricky. you have to know how to see through those tricks to get a good cereal. >> everyone knows whole grains are good for you, but -- >> many cereal boxes say "made with whole grains" or "whole grain guaranteed" that means there's some in there but not necessarily 100% whole grain. you have to read the ingredient list very carefully. >> there is a matter of cereal similarities. >> sometimes there will be raisin bran and companies will create spin-offs that have raisin bran in the name but aren't as good as the original. >> the list of ingredients on the box tell the tale. whole wheat is the first on raisin bran but only the third on race asian branch crunch behind rice and sugar. the result is raisin bran contains 7 grams of fiber while the crunch only ctains 4 grams. there is a matter of health claims. how about strong heart, an

joe lieberman was held at the citigroup center in manhattan the site after terrorist plot in 2004. >> if you put all this together in a very unusual way, not anything like the conventional war, i'm afraid we'd have to conclude that america's homeland is under attack today by islamist extremist terrorists. >> investigators say that najibullah zazi was close to carrying out his plot to build hydrogen bombs for weapons of mass destruction. experts say it was the surveillance video of zazi buying things like nail polish remover and clare oxide liquid developer in bulk at a beauty supply store in colorado that triggered the move to bring him into custody. the ingredients and handwritten bomb making notes on his computer, the components that the shoe bomber, richard reid used in 2001. the government has yet to show any hard evidence that zazi had chemical or explosive materials at the time of his arrest. they know he has co-conspirators who remain at large. zazi's first court appearance in brooklyn. we'll be watching. >> julie: we will, thank you, laura ingle. the worst attack on u.s. soil

evan bayh, jon kyl, joe lieberman have legislation to cut off gasoline. we don't want chinese violating the sanctions i hope the u.s. if serious will put on iran. >> the politics of this, the president, i thought, did a fabulous job today. this gives him an opportunity to show the world we can handle this and he can get everybody together. how did he do today? >> here's the key to this. this is what you have to understand. obama has known about this secret facility from the beginning. he was briefed on to during the transition. our intelligence has known about this for two years. re-evaluate everything you thought about obama. re-evaluate all those criticisms he got from the right from being weak and naive and extending the hand of friendship. he knew what he was doing. >> this is what concerns me. i have no quarrels with what he said today. since he has known it for so long why is he delaying and delaying doing anything serious? now we have -- the president, having the brits say draw the line in the sand? isn't that what you want? here's the test right n

janice lieberman, a consumer reporter and contributing editor to "reader's digest" is here with the answeres are very powerful. they say the money from your subscription will help fund their education or a charity. better business bureau and attorneys general across the country say sometimes that pitch is a complete lie. >> you see lots of moms and their kids with strollers. >> reporter: alicia says her neighborhood outside raleigh, north carolina is the perfect place to raise children. >> you see kids coming home from school, school buses driving by. >> reporter: so it's not unusual for a stranger to ring the doorbell. >> open up the door and it was a young girl, trying to sell some magazines. >> reporter: alicia says she once purchased magazines from a door-to-door sales person but never received them, so she told the girl she wasn't interested. that's when the sales pitch took an unlikely and alarming turn. >> she called me a liar. the woman actually lifted up her fist and came towards me. i was very nervous and i was home alone. >> reporter: home alone with her two kids and a third on

bonnie lieberman of theenter for science and the public interest says cereal isn't always what it's milked up to be. >> cereal can be anxcellent food. the problem is that cereal labels are very tricky and you have to know how to see through those tricks to get a good cereal. >> reporter: tonight on news4 at 11:00, how to determine which is filled with good food and which is just filleded with claims. we'll crunch the claims. that is my story tonight at news4 at 11:00. i would tell you i'm going to eat a bowl of cereal a come back at 11:00, but i'll eat something else. >> i often eat cereal at midnight. it's a wonderful midnight snack. corn flakes, cream of wheat, good stuff. >>> coming up, first lady michelle obama paid a visit to a d.c. farmer's market today. we'll have a report on that. >> what you got, dan? >> gilbert arenas. he's broken his silence and spoken the first time in a long time. a little good, a little bad. coach jim zorn has a plan to get offense spiced up a little bit. an unpleasant memory from last season serves as motivation against the rams. free. and it's o >>> it was

in a press conference today the mayor commissioner, senator joe lieberman and others challenged congress to fund the securing the city's program to protect the region from nuclear terrorism and more. >> no city in the nation relies on it mass transit more heavily than new york does, and the terrible train bombings in madrid in 2004, london in 2005 and mumbai in 2006 i think only underscores the importance of these new grants. >> reporter: we are listening more about the 24-year-old afghan immigrant. he had a fascination with cell phones and computers. he was first friendly but some of his customers now say they noticed a shift a few years ago. when zazi makes his first new york federal court appearance on fussy will hear the charges against him which could bring him life in prison if convicted. in new york laura engle fox news. >>> zazi says he is innocent. his attorney says the fbi has been unable to find any explosives or the chemicals allegedly used to make them. >>> iran under the international microscope tonight for its nuclear ambitions. over the weekend iran's revolutionary guards

over the years, lieberman vits has shot numerous covers for high end magazines like "vanity fair" anduding john lennon, bruce springstein and bill clinton. >>> you may have seen this logo. check it out. the internet has been buzzing about what it exactly means. if you look carefully, it looks like an alien spaceship is abducting one of the google logo' os. when translate it read, listen carefully, all your "o" belong to what? that commemorates the 20th anniversary and it was a play on the game's poor japanese to english translation. >>> motorcyclists say loud mufflers on their bikes save lives. but they apparently can't drown out the sound of heart strings. the affiliate of missouri shows how it blossomed into romance. >> reporter: the classical american wedding. graced with beautiful summertime weather in the comfort of your home town church. but for larry and his soon to be bride, well, we'll just say they broke the traditional sound barrier. after all, the harley drove them together and remains the nuts and bolts of the relationship. >> the first time we met it was because of the b

delegate norton and napolitano and lieberman on hand for the ceremony. the new campus is going up on the grounds of saint elizabeth in southeast and will create jobs for thousands of people. >>> and if you have been outside lately, it's turning into a beautiful day here in the nation's capital. the clouds went away and sunshine came out. it's nice out there. >> i saw patrick earlier and said what is going? >> really? wow. >> and can we expect it to stick around? that is the question. gary mcgrady is in the weather center with more. >> reporter: i think we will see sun until later on this evening and tomorrow, whether we see sun tomorrow is all dependent on the low pressure system that is lurking off the coast and got farther to the east today. that helps us break out into a t of sunshine and nto tos o redndo. let's go to max hd radar. we're in the live mode here and you can see there is in er owshc artivity to the east of us across the bay, moving in our direction and there is more sn the way d wer an possibly a little bit of thundershower activity. fart

senators mccaskill and ben nelson joining joe lieberman and olympia snowe on it. while we each have senator snowe saying she's flexible on the public option. more flexibility on strategy. michelle obama will begin a packed autumn of events that aides say will be a soft focus on health care and reform. after that dose of political speech i'm joined by our lawrence o'donnell, contributor to the huffington post, former chief of staff. the baucus bill pushing this idea of state exchanges as co-ops. this brought -- this remark from the congressional budget office. the co-ops had little effect on total enrollment in the exchanges or federal cost. so if they're not going to lower cost or drive enrollment up, why co-ops? >> well, they're designed to have very little effect. so it turns out they work fairly well. >> well, yes. >> it's also, unfortunately, for the chairman, it has driven one democratic member of the committee to already announce he's going to vote against it on, on the basis of there not be a public option, jay rockefeller is already gone. this is a pretty

obama asked 16 conservative democrats and joe lieberman to meet with him at the white house. don't you wonder how it went? joining us now is mark begich of ak at-bat. he is one of the democratic senators who met with the president today, the first democrat that alaskans have sent to congress since 1981. senator beg itch, it's great to have you back on the show. thanks very much for taking the time. >> thank you very much, rachel. you're not going to beat me up tonight, are you? >> well, it depends on what you say, sir, of course, and i assume it would be mutual. >> it's always a pleasure to come on your show. last time we had a little back and forth on mr. bill and how, oh, you got the bock i sent. >> i did get the book. it's awesome. >> a great book. we had the author sign it, too, to boot, so i thought it would be a great future for you there to read that book there. >> now i'm worried you didn't get my thank you note and it's stuck in some anthrax freeze zone in ohio somewhere. i'll redouble my efforts. >> the amazing part for a second, the mail system in the capitol is ou

let israel, discourage israel successfully and even meet netanyahu leading a faction there with lieberman. he decides not to move because he says he doesn't want you to move. what happens to the world if israel is faced with a neighbor that hates it, wants to destroy it? does that basically kill the notion of israel as a safe haven? in other words, young people in their young 20s, young engineers, biotechnicians and all would no longer want to live in that country because it's under a nuclear threat. do you think that's a real prospect? >> i think israel is under existential threat. if iran continues to grow as a superpower in the gulf, ultimately it will affect the survivability. the israelis have a point. >> that point is strong enough it means their life? do you buy that argument that their life's at stake? not over a year or two, but eventually you cannot have an israeli jewish state succeed if it's under a nuclear threat that hates it. >> there's a psychological threat. >> by the way, a real psychological threat. it's not in the head. >> just as important is the uncertainty over who

. >> warner: independent democratic senator joseph lieberman of connecticut who split with his fellowdemocrats over iraq is uneasy with the direction some seem headed now on afghanistan. >> i think it's a mistake in the sense that i wish they'd wait until general mcchrystal made the recommendations to the president and the president decided what he thinks is in the best interest of our country. my hope here in the end is that after a good debate that president obama asks for more american troops to be deployed to afghanistan to win that war. that there will be bipartisan support for that.s i actually think there will be. >> warner: but feinstein says the anti-war sentiment among her constituents is strong and growing. >> people just don't like it. they don't want it. i think "america, come home" is how people feel. >> warner: in today's hearing, south carolina republican lindsey graham raised the issue of public opposition to the war. >> about 55% of the american people in the polls said that they did not support us staying in afghanistan. what would you tell them as to why we should?

senator lieberman and senator collins. but i'm sure there will be a lot of questions asked, as there should be, both on the timing but also apparently on the lack of notice. whenever -- whatever the timing is, there seems to be a lack of coordination and notice to the secret service. >> all right. senator carl levin, thanks so much for joining us today. >> andrea, good to be with you. >>> of course, as the senator just mentioned, the importance of today. at ground zero today, thousands gathered in the wind and the rain to remember more than 2,700 people who lost their lives there eight years ago. [ bells tolling ] vice president biden and new york city mayor michael bloomberg both attended this morning's ceremony, along with crowds of mourners. nbc's rehema ellis is also live for us at ground zero. rehema, i know what you went through eight years ago. and this could not have been -- when you think of the weather you're out there in today, i apologize to you, rehema, but talk to us about the mood there today, eight years la

i'm a cosponsor of a bill by senator lieberman to impose sanctions on tankers taked refined to iran. we need russia and china. real question whether they will actually go along. >> chris: let me take this another way, senator feinstein. defense secretary gates says that if even if we launched a military strike he thinks it would only buy us one o three more years, buy us a little more time but only a couple of years if iran is determined to continue its nuclear program. do you share secretary gates' pessimism about the effectiveness of military action? >> i do. we have been told that specifically and i think you can slow it down. whether you can stop it or not entirely i think is unknown. it is the facilities are in several different places. some are hardened underground in tunnels. you would have to have a ground operation as well as a military operation and that is very difficult to do. it would be an attack. >> chris: you mean troops on the ground in addition to an air strike. >> i think so to get into some of them to really penetrate them. so that is not to say that a nation can'

that she joined in today, sort of commending senator baucus that she authored along with senators lieberman mean? >> well, she said that, that was an encouraging sign about her confidence in the cost controls in the bill. one of the concerns that moderates and some liberals as well have had is how can we pay for this, how is this going to affect our deficit situation? the cbo has indicated that it will reduce the budget deficit over the next ten years by $49 billion. she said she likes that and would like to have the finance committee take the viewpoint that any changes to the bill be offset, any additions in spending as she supports for subsidies, be offset by new rev lieu. she likes the basic contours of the cost controls. >> but is she going to vote for it? >> we don't know yet and that's going -- we're going find out in the markup. but if i had to go out on a limb, i'd say i think that's more likely than not. she said she was optimistic rather than pessimistic that this was going to get done. that the time has come to pass health care reform. >> 59 democratic senators, are they going to

mccain, condi, and our old friend joe lieberman.he same old line, the war is the only way to keep us safe. they didn't even change the script. take a listen. >> we need additional troops and the longer we wait and delay, the more americans will be put at risk unnecessarily. >> our national security interests are very much tied up in not letting afghanistan fail again and become a safe haven for terrorists. it's that simple. if you want another terrorist attack in the united states, abandon afghanistan. >> when we sent more troops in we turned it around. iraq is rising up on its own. now people support the war in iraq and it's a lesser concern. we're capable of doing that in afghanistan. if we don't the taliban and al qaeda will be back there from which they struck us on 9/11. >> joining me now, robert greenwald, director of "rethink afghanistan." good to have you back with us tonight. >> thank you. >> before we start our discussion, i want to play this exclusive excerpt you made available to us in exchange here. here it is. >> focus

some will remember the famous debate between dick cheney and joe lieberman, and dick cheney said thatis company, halliburton, had made millions of dollars without any help from the government. it all came from the government! they were defense contracts! so, what's happened is the american ethos, which is a different thing from our political order. that's the rugged individualism, the cowboy, the frontiersman, the robber baron, the great explorer, the conqueror of the continent. for that aspect of our myth, the market has been the engine of it. so, what brought them together, is what we've seen in the right is what i call a politics of organized cultural enmity. everybody-- >> moyers: accusatory protest, you call it. >> accusatory protest. with liberals as the enemy. so, if you are a free-marketeer, or you're an evangelical, or a social conservative, or even an authoritarian conservative, you can all agree about one thing: you hate the liberals that are out to destroy us. and that's a very useful form of political organization. i'm not sure it contributes much to our government and so

i mean, the reason that joe lieberman couldn't become vice president was because he was pro-choice. reason that they didn't take the former governor of pennsylvania was because he was pro-choice. they had to go with the candidate that was extremely -- >> okay -- >> but alex? >> yeah? >> i've got to make a point here. peter's right to a degree, but let me tell you this. john mccain got a smaller share of the vote in california than barry goldwater did. however, the group that got together to oppose gay marriage won the entire state, and among african-americans, they carried 55% of african-american votes, whereas mccain only got 5%. so, these issues -- you can energize a lot of grassroots democrats out there who very much are sort of populist and conservative on the social issues, but you've got to watch how you do it. >> yeah, okay. guys, i'm supposed to go, but i want to have my director quickly throw up the field there, the names of those that are being considered and being talked about for the possible 2012 contenders. peter, i want to ask you who you think may emerge as a winner,

it is chaired by joe lieberman. this is about the $787 billion stimulus package to help pull our, out of the worst recession in the living memory of most americans. we hold this hearing on the heels of what i would call mixed news about our economy. we are still not where we want and need to be. we seem to be making some progress. after a slight decrease in the unemployment rate in july, down 1/10 of a point to 9.4%, the jobless rate went back up to 9.7%y% in august which is the worst rate of unemployment in america in 26 years. we know that unemployment is a lagging indicator of an economic recovery. this was not entirely unexpected. we also know that a few months ago our financial sector was on the verge of collapse. the overall economy was teetering somewhere between a great recession and, at worst, a depression. thankfully, both of those calamities have been averted. the stock market is up. housing sales are up. manufacturing grew last month for the first time in more than one year. the unemployment level now i

senator feingold and senator lieberman are going to hold hearings.from are they willing to testify? can we let the american people know what they are doing? gretchen: thank you about bringing that up point about senator byrd. very important one. have a fantastic weekend. >> thank you, gretchen. >> let's check out what bribe and peter are doing in the green room. you making hazel nut coffee? brian: is he doing it coming up in the final half hour of the show, congress votes to cut down the acorn money tree. up next chris wallace explains why the g.o.p. was shocked it actually happened. >> it's half decaf and half smoke can a chino. doctors finally figured out what the problem was. what does this plastic spoon have to do with his medical problem? brian: finish the coffee. ♪ (woman) dear cat. your hair mixes with pollen and dust. i get congested. but now with zyrtec-d®, i have the proven allergy relief of zyrtec®, plus a powerful decongestant. zyrtec-d® lets me breathe freer, so i can love the air™. (announcer) zyrtec-d®. behind the pharmacy counter. no

i have joined with until lieberman and others, sponsoring -- joe lieberman and others, sponsoring legislationohibit any ocean-going tankers company that delivers refined petroleum to iran. in other words, if they deliver refined petroleum, the rand greatest weakness -- iran's greatest weakness, then we should not be delivering. that could have been major impact, but we need more. tensions on financial institutions and we also need the world economy to deal with iran through tough economic sanctions. the development of nuclear capability is something the world cannot afford. host: elise on the republican line. mclean, virginia.

we had a news conference, the mayor, commissioner, joe lieberman and others challenged congress to fund the secure the city program to protect regions from terrorism, among other things. yesterday afternoon, president obama had conference call with the nypd investigators commending them and the department of homeland security for bringing zazi to custody so quickly. zazi is in a brooklyn prison cell awaiting arraignment on tuesday in federal court in new york. if convicted on the charges he could receive life in prison. shannon? >> shannon: thank you for the update, laura. we have just learned that the first germa germany female chancellor will keep her job. angela merkel will keep her job and it sounds like it will be confirmed relatively soon according to the exit polls. the nation's seniors are the latest focus in the healthcare debate, with claims about slashes to medicare and program flown around, what is fact and fiction? we'll do the fact checking with vivian novak, from a non-partisan group monitoring the accuracy of political players. thank you for joining us. i imagine it's a

the president summoned 16 moderate democrats and independent democrat, senator joe lieberman, to the white house, to give them the hard sell. they came by bus. >> i will not tolerate us continuing to pay more for less in health care. the time is right. and we are going to move aggressively to get this done. >> reporter: the president brought in budget director, peter or zach, to convince some of the budget hawks that it's possible to pass health care reform without adding to the deficit. and that will sustain the skyrocketing health care costs. sources say the president showed flexibility when discussing the public-run government option. it's part of health care reform, the president said. it is not health care reform. that's a message that's upsetting liberal lawmakers. >> frankly, unless he's more clear about this notion of the public option, we're going to continue to be tugging in different directions. >> reporter: the president also emphasized, with the democratic crowd, how much he wants to work in a bipartisan way. not a claim the republicans find. >> bottom line, i thought th