it includes rush limbaugh program director. an author and fox news this is 35 minutes. >> all right. who is winning the fight on the right? i want to welcome back mary catherine. golden, newcomer. great book out there. thanks for being with us today. last night at the opening of heard 2014, we heard, we the remarkable dr. ben carson propose a truce between the "rinos" and the tea party. somebody came to me afterward, two sisters, the simon sisters. the first words out of their mouth for that they are loving the program. right after that, john, don't ever let the establishment takeover the western conservative summit. you have to keep away from those "rinos." so there it is in a nutshell. one approach is conciliation. the other approach is polarization. let's get started with guy benson. who is winning the fight on the right? ,stablishment versus tea party drug legalizers versus drug enforcers, foreign affairs and national security hawks versus .oninterventionists who is winning, and are we hurting ourselves more than we are hur

no crossroads of america gets more of this debate than the rush limbaugh show. when somebody dials the number and wait in line for 90 minutes, you are holding them. what do you think? >> number one, i think you are a pretty hip guy, and proof positive is you are making such a difference with your leadership. the western conservative summit has grown to be one of the premier political events in the country. so congratulations to you and everyone who put this together. [applause] think about rush i want to say how blessed i am to have worked with rush limbaugh for so many years, and what a great and amazing human being he is. i thank him. i thank god for bringing that man into our lives and our country, and for all of you who listen and support the show, thank you so much. who was winning? it's obvious, you told me the left is winning hands down. not just the left. the left-wing media is having a field day. we are political father -- fodder. they play us conservatives as if sometimes a stradivarius. they know what we are doing wrong. if you want to know who else i

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. >> okay, so another successful repeat best-selling author on this list the year is david limbaugh in his book this was a bit of a departure from the typical sort of political book. he is doing a book for us called jesus on trial. this is a book where david takes his sort of the legal mind in background and his constitutional lawyer and he argues the case for the gospel as he goes through as they assertively collects axford is a lawyer and examines the evidence and comes to the conclusion that it's true and what we have come to know as the old and new testament is true and it's a true story, not a fabrication, not be tale. he takes a very logical, legal approach to the subject. of course we cannot think of many books in the past couple of years that have gone more in the safe direction in the political direction and that is something that is caught our attention that makes a lot of sense. directory audience of conservatives and committed conservatives and valued readers are also very added buyers and readers of hooks on faith, books about religion. third made sense for us to go into t

issues and the fact is most of the people the war on women is a great example he stood up to rush limbaugh they were all have these issues to sway the voters to switch sides. there's very little switching during the election. so i have to say it is unlikely they will shuffle the electorate. >>host: we hear that voters like a split the government. do people think about that when they go to the polls? to renovate think about party identification. i sound like a broken record. it is a little exaggeration at this point to say it is important for people to have divided the government that may have been more true in previous decades but like her not there very well sorted into the interest groups they are made up of and the issues they support. that is great if they are of voter. if you know, what a means. but it provides little less overlap very few voters and then they vote for the president their blunt the other party to be in the chamber. most of those elections are about incumbency and party identification and people whose split ticket tend to be less informed on politics. >>host: how did y

here to debate that and much more, attorney and author david limbaugh who is my attorney and fox newsical analyst juan williams. i'm telling you how i would act. if gaza and israel are in conflict and i would be at israel's side, and i would be on the phone regularly with the prime minister, if an american is decapitated, and we see isis taking over every city, where 4,000 americans gave their lives in iraq, i would be in the situation room, i wouldn't be on vacation, what would you be doing? would you play golf? i would be on the job. i would be on the job and i would say that that takes precedence over 45 hours on the golf course in two weeks. >> well, that's great rhetoric, the reality is you would, like anyone else, eat, go to the bathroom and in the case of summer vacation. >> i'm sure he can do that in the situation room too. he has a chef, i don't have a chef. >> i'm sure, sean, that he -- in fact, i'm certain that the president is in constant communication with all of his commanders, all of his policy advisers, i don't think there's any evidence that the president's not perfor

he is an outsider now, he started his career as a soft-spoken rush limbaugh. he has a nice pattern. what he disciplined him says and does not say. he is poised to be someone who could win hearts on the right. >> is he somebody that is going to get activists excited? he's not somebody who is a bombthrower like ted cruz. he is not an ideological hardliner. a's going to have to navigate passage on a lot of these things. >> his gubernatorial record coming he came out of the gate in 2010 for christy and really started to have these reforms that that nationwide attention. it's pretty low-key. todoes not have a record distract access. very careful about what he doesn't say. in hisvery careful response to you. >> is very careful on immigration and gay marriage. he made it clear that he is personally is not for same-sex marriage. he did not draw some of the .arder lines on that that you >> what does that mean for 2016? >> he is leaving himself a lots of leeway. his drawing that space for himself later. be ants to come out and hardliner and some of those issues. a year from now he can do so ,

it's not rich limbaugh, it's not even oprah winfrey.s. >> did you give all of your staffers a copy of the disney biography last year? >> yes. >> why was that? >> orson welles and walt disney influenced me. i gave it to them because i wanted them to see where i was headed. i'm not headed towards edward r. murrow, i'm headed towards walt disn disney. >> does that mean theme park? >> no. >> people associate disney with that. >> yeah, no, disney was an innovator on everything. we went to space because of walt disney. you know, walt disney brought his an him in mater that did the seven dwarfs and said i have this nazi scientist that i need you to meet, warner von bran. the year is 1954 or '55. he said, he thinks we can put a man in space. i want you to tell that story. in 1955 just before he opens the park he does -- and he starts his tv show, "disneyland," he has a special called "man in space." the story goes that eisenhower called him up and said, walt, you son of a bitch, you did it. i've been trying to convince the people at the pentago

let there be little doubt as to why rush limbaugh has ratings problems.yone in the building there at 30 rock today are thinking fondly of the late, great don pardo we lost in '96. started in broadcasting in providence, rhode island when radio was a kinder, gentler medium than the relentless anger. to be fair to rush limbaugh, i have hand copied sound bites from the transcript. in rush's view what's happening in ferguson is a soap opera. he says, quote, it's all politics disguised as sorrow and sadness and compassion. he might feel differently if he were a parent. he says the democratic party, i think, profits from racial strife. ironically, you know who doesn't profit from this is rush himself whose own company just took his show off its own station in pittsburgh. they abandoned the talk format entirely and went country last week. so rush who was a disc jockey on a.m. in pittsburgh is back on a.m. in pittsburgh. you have seen the ratings tanking the big markets. >> how does the right wing want to address race and the killing of an unarmed 18-year-old by a

most of the people who are going to vote for barack obama because he stood up to rush limbaugh, those people were already in his camp. and so these kinds of key focal issues actually sway very few voters to switch sides. there is very little switching between the parties during a presidential election. maybe four or 5 percent of the people who will do that once. i have to say that think it's unlikely that things like immigration and health care are going to reshuffle the electorate. >> host: we often hear that voters like us but government, the light congress and one party in the president. to people think about that when they go to the polls? >> guest: they think about party edification. i know i sound like a broken record. i think that is a little bit of an exaggeration at this point to say that it's important for people to have divided government. that may have been more true in previous decades, but what has happened, like it or not, is that both political parties now are very well sorted into the kinds of interest groups that they are made up of and the kind of issues that they s

we didn't know who rush limbaugh was an anti-le pen. we didn't have the internet. we didn't have fox, cable television. and c-span. we didn't have the ability to go-round the microphones. i was fortunate many years ago to pioneer political direct mail which gave us the ability to go-round the microphones in the country and communicate directly with american people. it changed everything in american politics. now we are competitive in a way that we were not able to be back in the 60s and 70's and 80s. my book "takeover" is the only book that deals with what i'm talking about now. the most important political battle in america as i said earlier is inside the republican party. most people think it's between republicans and democrats. now, it's inside the republican party that's the most important political battle an american if we are able to prevail and be able to take over the republican party and be the principle opposition to the democrats people will reward us with victories. by the way in my lifetime, a long time, republicans have had for and only four big victo

there's general unhappiness and so forth unbelievable little to rush limbaugh to blame robin williams is death liberals and the very very ugly. on yesterday's episode of outnumbered the fox so-called news contributor and disgraced psychiatry has attacked the show obama for supporting schooled attrition programs because quote she needs to lose a few serious to the war. and they are not eating she says she's she needs to drop a few. oh oh you did ya know this is a. dream i guess you are a loon i mean when i get in the last interview that i saw that iowa nutrition yes you. need from luke that you all go a little beyond this like i mean there's no french fries ever that's kale and carrots i don't buy it it's just completely sexist and very very quickly. coming out despite being the home for some of the world's biggest tech companies the united states lags far behind most of the developed world when it comes to internet speeds why is that one can a small town in maine tell us about how we can live up to our fiber optic potential answers to both those questions it's what it's doing today. d

to kill right on the cd player first rush limbaugh and i think the church. committee on a recorder splitter play an instrument live live in the lips on the last six. the stories we cover here not can here in iraq set our back story the mainstream that lives and tucker is a reason they don't want international airport. now let's break the set. hello welcome to. shevardnadze what do you do one war robs you of your childhood my guest today lost his mother in a fighting in sudan and became a soldier at the age of seven the kindness of strangers and music helped him overcome his childhood steeped in extreme violence manual job is now wolf famous hip hop artist and he's here today to share his extraordinary life story with us. there are three hundred thousand child soldiers in the world most of them from. drug war deprived of families forced to kill. children good soldiers. and what happens if they do. a manual joelle child soldier turned hip hop artists welcome it's great to have you on our show today i just want to go back and remind our viewers where you starte

pretext to trigger american bombing of syria and i think even even a public commentator like rush limbaugh has come out very public away and said look the the serin gas attacks were not initiated by by the syrian government they were in fact initiated by the rebels so it it within those that small group of people who truly focus on syria there's not a realisation that. we have aligned urso us with people who deliberately killed thirteen hundred innocent people in the demolished it's suburbs and these are the rebels and i believe it was our newsroom that actually carried out the the searing gas attack nuestro is an affiliate of al qaida the group they'd killed three thousand americans that was virginia state senator richard black. and now to ukraine u.n. high commissioner for human rights navi pillay called on all parties involved in the conflict to immediately and the hostilities before more civilians suffer the un report published today puts the blame for serious human rights violations not only on the rebels but also on the ukrainian army and other pro-government forces the commissioner

caller: have you ever listened to rush limbaugh, the local right-wing pundits. host: robert, thanks for the call. good morning, where are you calling from? caller: washington, d.c. host: your name? caller: frank. host: go ahead, frank. caller: how are you doing? host: your thoughts on the state of race relations today. caller: my thoughts that this country is going all over the -- all over the globe trying to straighten out other countries and their race relations but what about the one in this country? we are all over the place. the. host: david from swimmington, new jersey. good morning. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. host: host: sure. caller: i grew up in st. louis. i have heard very few people put st. louis in context. i remember being in north st. louis as a child and seeing white flight firsthand. i also remember being with my father once on a friday evening when there was some kind of disturbance on the north side and my father told me to get down below the dashboard because the police were letting the dogs go. host: host: when was th

in other news rush limbaugh go of european products isn't seen as a p.c.i. day in the with from a story about russia's food involved in response to western sanctions there's some more coming up after the break. and. those who want to get involved to stop isis in iraq are allied with isis in syria but we still should be doing everything we can to support the free syrian opposition we will continue to provide military assistance. encourages forces as they battle these terrorists. in the world is laughing at america because every single day jamie diamond victim that is the american economy shows up in bloody great you know their debt and they're saying oh it wasn't jamie that did this it wasn't me that did it this time i love jamie i love jamie he loves me and the rest the world like. oh. i'm out he martin the stories we cover here we're not going to hear any right other big story the answer that life the same time there's a reason they don't want him to now. they're trying to raise that we don't think. now let's break the set. this week the beheading of an ame

simply because they don't -- the -- i don't want npr funded by public money anymore than i want rush limbaugh funded by public money. guest: that opinion is out there. but really going back to our mission and how we have kept to this, nowhere does it say political point of view. it says that it should be content that informs. we're doing that. that educates. we have measurement in that. that entertains. entertains in a way that goes beyond learns about the kardashian and various other things. so the $1.35 that each taxpayer contributes to support this is probably the best value that any american is getting out of their taxpayer dollar other than the military. host: do producers check content to deapproximate depoliticize it? guest: we do not do that. we have a code of ethics. things don't just show up with a point of view without a lot -- you know, one of the big complaints is it takes a long time for things to get funded through cpb because at the time everybody looks at everything, that poor filmmaker is getting ready for retirement. but it's all good because it's being responsible for mone

res marry limbaugh stepped down after being convicted of drunk driving. >> we don't settle political differences with indictments in this country. this indictment amounts to nothing more than abuse of power. and i cannot and i will not allow that to happen. i intend to fight against those that would erode our state's constitution and laws purely for political purposes, and i intend to win. >> that confidence was on display days before the indictment as rick perry did the round. iowa is the all-important first step, and the state fare has become an essential stop. the eventeneded with fireworks and 900,000 visitors through the gates, including potential contenders. we look at iowa's own brand of retail politics. - - - - >>> the iowa state fair with the corn dogs, and competitions. it's star-spangled, deep fried and gigantic and where the presidential horse race begins. iowa jps ans -- iowans are the first to cast votes in the caucuses. >> people ask why is iowa important it's important because it is first in the nation. >> so far at least a dozen presidential hopefuls made visits to i

surprise, surprise, but as though she is someone who has had no major roelt -- she was knot a rush limbaugh figure. she was on a presidential ticket. >> it's not just sort of figures on the fringe. there have been a number of republicans over the past year who have indeed talked about impeachment. and i showed the clip at the top of steve looes could have said to chris wallace, that's crazy, we're not going to do that. he kept turning it around and blaming the white house. >> tea party introduced it, democrats -- i don't think it's fair to say that one party is having a field day with it. i think both are and unfortunately so is the media. >> so the house this week votesed to authorize a lawsuit against president obama for exceeding his authority on obamacare. is this lawsuit, as some people are calling that impeachment-like, is that taking our focus off the fact that this president, this congress, basically accomplished nothing? >> of course we love to cover a big fight like this. it's a clown show, really, going back to the circus analogy. it was covered. they passed a va bill, right, bef

no crossroads of america gets more of this debate than the rush limbaugh show. when somebody dials the number and wait in line for 90 minutes, you are holding them. what do you think? >> number one, i think you are a pretty hip guy, and proof positive is you are making such a difference with your leadership. the western conservative summit has grown to be one of the premier political events in the country. so congratulations to you and everyone who put this together. [applause] think about rush i want to say how blessed i am to have worked with rush limbaugh for so many years, and what a great and amazing human being he is. i thank him. i thank god for bringing that man into our lives and our country, and for all of you who listen and support the show, thank you so much. who was winning? it's obvious, you told me the left is winning hands down. not just the left. the left-wing media is having a field day. we are political father -- fodder. they play us conservatives as if sometimes a stradivarius. they know what we are doing wrong. if you want to know who else i

i made the statement said rush limbaugh said this guy should be committed. he's crazy.there's no way that he will vote that way on the basis of the taxing power. so i wasn't surprised. >> they joined alito and thomas to make a 72 decision striking down a congress ruled that those states that don't accept the broad and medicaid program which is almost entirely paid for by the federal government would lose their medicaid dollars that was quite a departure from their liberal colleagues like sonya sotomayor. i was a little surprised. i have a theory in the book about why they did it. since robert is doing a moderate thing up leading to purchase mandate we can go a long with him on this and it won't make much difference because they stake in the belief that essentially every state would go a long. long. long. they didn't realize how many would say no ideologically based no hurting their own people severely and undermining how workable obamacare with the. they also got the benefits in the way they voted which is a preventative roberts from going further still and holding that

they mark levin and rush limbaugh calling for impeachment just like they impeached president clinton.sident obama won election in 2012. get over it. >> i don't think we can get over it, carville because the country is being run into the ground. and all the public opinion polls show that. he loses on every issue by double digits. >> again, run into the ground? you call it very successful health insurance? >> wait, carville. all of that doesn't matter. you are cherry picking. look, carville, just sit on this for a minute because i want to get to kate. >> okay. >> cnn, you used to work there. you know what the the culture is there. their polls said if the election were held today between mitt romney and barack obama, it would be a landslide for romney. just sit on that for a minute. all right, kate. carville, sit on it for a minute. >> now look, kate, you have got to admit, you are a staunch republican. >> i'm a conservative, yeah. >> whatever it may be. >> yeah. >> that we have two parties who are both supposed to be working together for the good of the people. >> right. >> all right? n

so i made those statements, rush limbaugh said this guy should be committed. he's crazy, there'sit no way th robert the will vote that way, especially on the basis of the taxing power. ised.n't surprised. i was a little surprised that kagan and breyer joined robers,a scalia, alito and thomas to make a 7-2 decision that those statee that don't accept the broadenedd medicaid program, which is almost entirely paid for by theo federal government would lose t all their medicaid dollars. that was quite a departure from their liberal colleagues like sotomay sotomayor. i was a little surprised. i have a theory in the book whyg they did it. since roberts is doing a te moderate thing and upholding thh purchase emandate, we can go along with him on this, and it won't make much difference theyt believed that every state would go along, they didn't realize y how many states would say no hurting people s o severely andy undermining obama care. they also got some benefits from the way they voted, that is they prevented roberts from going s further still and holding that you

the disney corporation put rush limbaugh and dennis miller in the booth on monday night football to promotesm. >> host: what do you think about the members of the media yesterday since you bring up the media to the members, one of them huffingtonpost and one from the "washington post" according to the reports arrested and then released tracks what do you think about the media coverage happening in ferguson? >> caller: you just mentioned to people got arrested. i just mentioned to you that fox news promotes racism like they are selling bread. i just told you the disney corporation, time warner cable tv has 25 shows with rednecks from guns. the media which is the top 1% needs racism to exist. the market it like they are marketing the state fair. >> host: jacksonville florida. good morning. >> caller: this is getting blown out of proportion and i think it is done by the news media. everybody wants to rush the justice. there are plenty of white people killed in this country. it doesn't make national news. there's also plenty of white people killed in the country by black youth. there've been a

rush limbaugh's then said this guy should be committed, he is crazy. there is no way roberts will vote that way especially on the basis of taxing power. so i wasn't surprised. i was a little surprised elena kagan and breyer joined alito, and thomas to make a 7-2 decision striking down congress's ruled that those states that don't accept the broad and medicaid program which is almost entirely paid for by the federal government would lose all their medicaid dollars. that was quite a departure from their liberal colleagues like sonia sotomayor. i was a little surprised. i have a fear in the book why they did it. one of the reasons is they fought since roberts is doing a moderate thing in upholding the purchase mandate we can go along with him on this. it won't make much difference because they mistakenly believed essentially every state would go along. they didn't realize how many states would say no, ideologically based know, hurting their people severely and undermining how workable obamawould-be. i think they also got some benefits from how they voted.

do you think the right wingers, such as limbaugh, savage and hannity are born pathological liars or truth they choose to be? i'm not smart enough to figure out how they were born or what they have been thinking since birth or whether there was anything wrong with them. i just know that we know for a fact that they make stuff up and we know for a fact that they package their information to fit their ideology in a negative fashion to anyone that opposes them, let's put it that way. they are truth benders. our next question is from harry and wants to know that why hasn't the man on the overpass been arrested for pointing a weapon at federal agents during the bundy standoff? oh, yeah. okay. that's the picture. let me tell you something, we've had more response to this picture. this is very troubling to people. this guy is not in an official capacity. he's an american citizen with a firearm and he has somebody out here, we don't know who, but he has somebody in the crosshairs. i don't know if he's breaking the law or not. i don't know the fef neve law on this. i don't know the federal law on t

you can't keep looking at these dick cheney, mitt romney, rush limbaugh, these guys never fought. you have to get colin powell here -- all these guys have expertise but powell has experience. will obama talk to him about what he meant? it would never be a syria. host: mr. zarate, on colin powell's assessment of iraq. guest: colin powell has a long record of serving his country honorably, as a man of the military and secretary of state, and any president would be foolish not to listen to former secretary of state, secretary of defense, etc. i take the caller's point. but putting aside this whole discussion of powell, there are threats,ats, growing metastasizing threats in syria, in iraq, islamic state -- again, some of our most senior national security leaders have called home and security threat, even though it is thousands of miles away. we see threats in iran. it is an ally to rogue regimes like bush are also -- bashar al-assad. it has worked with the north koreans on missiles. in ukraine, russia, we see the return of great power rivalry. you talk about bipartisanship, i brought

simply because they don't -- the -- i don't want npr funded by public money anymore than i want rush limbaughfunded by public money. guest: that opinion is out there. but really going back to our mission and how we have kept to this, nowhere does it say political point of view. it says that it should be content that informs. we're doing that. that educates. we have measurement in that. that entertains. entertains in a way that goes beyond learns about the kardashian and various other things. so the $1.35 that each taxpayer contributes to support this is probably the best value that any american is getting out of their taxpayer dollar other than the military. host: do producers check content to deapproximate depoliticize it? guest: we do not do that. we have a code of ethics. things don't just show up with a point of view without a lot -- you know, one of the big complaints is it takes a long time for things to get funded through cpb because at the time everybody looks at everything, that poor filmmaker is getting ready for retirement. but it's all good because it's being responsible for money

s, along reed's comment with those of senator scott and for the first time on c-span, rush limbaugh's radio producer. that will be tomorrow night at 8:00 eastern. more now from the meeting as conservative media figures discuss race in america 50 years after the civil rights act. radio talkshow host tammy bruce along with authors take part. [applause] >> thank you so much. very soon, we are coming up on a historic milestone. half a century since the signing of the long-overdue, bitterly struggled for, bipartisan leanne inaction,bipartisan- with republicans in the lead, civil rights act of 1964. 99 years after appomattox, the long-delayed steps towards realizing our nation's stated , cited the declaration often at this conference, "all created equal." explore for half an hour and we could do it for half a day and not fully do justice to the subject. the question, cap america be post-racial? since it is a yes or no question, i will be pushing our why theys to tell us take the position that we do and what should we do about it. yes, name names of who can help lead us in that direction. i

i don't watch npr, funded by public money any more than i want rush limbaugh funded by public money. >> guest: that is an opinion that is out there but there is a big difference because what public media is focused on, let me go back to our mission and how we have kept to this, nowhere does it say political point of view. it says it should be content that informs. i think we're doing that. that a jew case. we have measurement, that entertains and when i say entertains, in a way that goes beyond learning about kim kardashian and the housewives of various alien places. $1.35 that each taxpayer contributes, the best values that any american is getting out of taxpayer dollars others and welfare. >> host: public tv is attacked for having up political agenda. do producers check content to d politicize it? >> guest: there are a lot of checks and balances. cpb do not do that. we stay out of the content control business. pbs has a code of ethics, so does npr. these are not just show up with a point of view without a lot -- one of the big complaints, it takes a long time for things to get fund

her recordings of people calling c-span -- i never an african-american being recorded on the rush limbaugh show. , he scaresitt romney me. abouting you mentioned closing the government because of president obama's immigration immigration problem. isl quick, my only comment all the people, liberals and ,onservatives in the media, 20% you have to secure the border first. there is aeat, but list why. a reporter who had his head -- murdered overseas. the greatest we thought about that is as secure border. if you have a passport, the same as having a visa. you can be oa

calling c-span, and i've never once heard anyone but an african-american being recorded on the rush limbaughas far as mitt romney, i'm a little phobic, so the -- klaus phober, so the two words car elevator scare me. [laughter] the other thing that i called about is the thing you mentioned about closing the government because of president obama's immigration problem, that he might do executive action on. and real quick my only comment is that all the people, liberals and conservatives and the media after the people showed up at the border, you know, the maybe 20% kids said i we've got to secure the border first. yeah, that's great. but i thought this -- [inaudible] about the no-fly list that they say some terrorists had passports. maybe one from michigan, the guy who -- [inaudible] the reporter who had his head, you know, who was murdered overseas. well, the no-fly list, wouldn't it be great if we thought about that as an unsecure border? if you have a passport for america, it's the same as having a visa that you've overstayed on. you can be be on the no-fly list and not be able to go past ou