their lives. and build houses. alexander bloating was a one time head of the administration of one of the nearby villages now that he is retired he takes fishermen on guided tours of local forests and reverse he maintains good relations with the new russians living in neighboring villages. if i visit them often right now i'm bringing a doctor to them. a doctor has arrived in there sue all believers take an ambivalent view of medicine if medics come to them then it's fine but if they go to a doctor themselves it's problematic. most diseases are treated with traditional methods like medicinal herbs that he was a source of so we use a medical hearse drink tea with them dry helps to winter as well as roots wasn't because there are a lot of good herb's in there so. the old believers do however allow some exceptions medication is allowed for severe pain while women go to hospital to give birth however there has been instances of expectant mothers escaping from hospital just before they were due to deliver but in general

as seniors, to live a productive, satisfying lives. now, as you may be aware, the aging and disability population has been recognized actually at the local and state levels for quite some time now. so the mechanisms for providing support that facility community living have been really brought together into local and state agencies such as the san francisco departments the of aging and adult services that serves those populations since the year 2000. yet, at the federal level, policy developments from a community outreach, and program implementation related to aging and disability services across the nation [unintelligible] across the department of health and human services until now. the obama administration, as well as secretary sebelius, have long been committed to promoting community living and finding new means to help ensure that we support the seniors and people with disabilities and making sure the committee is accessible. approximately three years ago, our nation commemorating the 10th anniversary of the homestead decision. in

the mission remains, of whether someone is living in a well-to- do assisted living facility, a longtime family home, a modest studio apartment, or sro, the mission will not be fulfilled if those living within sro's are not given the highest quality of life possible. chairman, i wanted to thank you for pointing out that scott has been here, should you have questions and would like to hear from him. at the november hearing in did my remarks with a quote from an anonymous source that still applies. the test of our progress is not whether we add to the abundance of those who have much, it is whether we provide enough to those who have little. there is a lot of work before us. thank you for your willing participation in partnership. this brings us closer to passing the test. supervisor mar: thank you. these of the department reps who are speaking. from the mayor's office, joanna. thank you for being here. >> can i have a lower microphone, please? thank you. thank you so much. good afternoon, supervisors. thank you, chairman, for allowing our office to come with a couple of brief comments. my

find out how next in a live report from washington. >> a live look outside, san francisco this morning. look at those painted skies. >> history could be made in washington, d.c. beyond the halls of the supreme koufrmt attorney general eric holder could be the first member ever a president's cabinet to be held in contempt of congress. holder is refusing to turn over documents surrounding a bofrped gun tracking investigation. the house will consider two resolution, one asking the u.s. attorney to file a criminal case to force holder to comply. the second could lead to a civil suit with the same demand. >> today is the day just hours the supreme court announcing its decision on president obama's health care reform law. tracie potts live outside the u.s. supreme court in washington. here to tell us how today's decision could affect all americans and also that race for the white house. good morning. >> reporter: good morning. you are going to hear it behind me though you can't see it from this vantage point demonstrators who gablth gathered to hear thi decision, the supreme court deciding w

we do not think she is a necessary live witness. chairperson hur: you do not intend to call anyone who is not on the list except for the sheriff? >> we believe the central live witnesses are the sheriff and the mayor. everyone else is subject to whatever information is provided in their declaration. as far as the mayor's witnesses go, we may perceive declarations and agree we do not need a cross examiner. we can argue our case based on what is in the declaration. i am not trying to evade your question. i am telling you i cannot necessarily answer it before i see the contents of their proposed testimony. >chairperson hur: when you list that many people in your list as affirmative witnesses, it does create some confusion but i get it now. is ms. lopez going to testify? >> we hope to have her testify. she is in her native country. her father has cancer. that is an open-ended question. even if she remains there, we're hopeful if we can make arrangements for her to testify remotely via skype or facetime or some other form of communicatio

anny hong live at congressional. but nothing too big to block the person behind you. >>> we'll see you in about ten minutes. >>> good morning. welcome back to 9news now. happening right now, we want to go live to congressional country club. we promised to show you that man. is there he is. one of the best golfers in the world tiger woods. >> he's doing his signature bouncing the golf ball. this is the pro am looking to tee off later this morning at congressional. >> this will be the best day of the tournament as far as weather is concerned. we're going to stick with it for as long as we can to see him take his little putt there. >> obviously a big crowd gathered for the excitement. there's going to be a little bit of consultation going on about the hole. you see a photo opgoing on at this moment. >> when we started this morning, no one was there, just our camera. now steadily the group has picked up and grown in size. >> only about three of the previous five at&t national champions are going to be in the field this w

if you live in the s.r.o. hotel without a bathroom or kitchen -- and this is broken and you don't have the seniors, who is handicapped, they can't get up, this is a problem. we have so many hotels. the city and the four neighborhood missions -- we don't have this with working. it is a problem, too. i am here today to give my full support to all the seniors and asking the supervisors about how we want to create decent housing, proper housing for all the people in san francisco. they have more time to homeless and seniors. this is one recommendation. please put attention to the people who need us. have a good day. >> next speaker? >> good afternoon. i am tommy. i have spetnt the last 12 years with the housing rights coalition of san francisco. i support all of the recommendations. i have seen the need for these issues. i have been the hotels with these kinds of deplorable conditions. i would like to add a few points to this discussion. these are really in viable programs for dealing with these problems. and it w

a live look outside.hat's over san francisco, and marla coordinated our yellow theme. >> i text them. >> enye youah inr bween you don bites. it's 5:22. >>> good morning to you. welcome back, this is a live look. these are the highways 280, 17, 880 and san jose. a little too early to head to valley fair, but these are the roads you take to the mall. i love it. >> never too early to shop, though? go online and then line up at the stores. >> absolutely. >>> well, if you love the night life, there's a new way to enjoy the good vibrations in oakland. jack's night market. it's happening tonight. the shopping bizarre featuring some live music, magic shows, art displays, and of course, food and drinks. get on that magic. the market kicks off at 8:30 tonight on the water front. another will be held the first friday of july. good stuff. >> yeah, seems like good timing with all this great weather we've been having. >> yeah, get out and enjoy. >> christina loren, it would be a nice night for it, right? >> yeah, i bet

i have been living in sro since i have lived in this city. i am in support of the recommendations the you are enforcing. i have been complaining [unintelligible] animal, who happens to be a rat. anyway, i do not need to digress. i also have less problems in my room. spraying for eggs and whatnot. i am very supportive of the recommendation. supervisor mar: thank you. mr. [unintelligible] >> thank you for calling this hearing. i have seen just about every kind of horror story that you can imagine in these hotels. i know you have not lived in one. i can assume that. the level of disrespect on a human level that goes on on a daily basis is atrocious. there was a woman at the press conference, or a gentleman, i believe, talking about working phone jacks. two people in his building were not able to call out in the time of the health episode, so now these individuals are living in the assisted living. the better enforcement of code, that is very basic and important. the collaborative, the tenant in the hotel who had a mobility issue, there were no a

this affects people's lives. the people and the next -- the next door neighbors are hard- working, at trying to stay in our neighborhood. we would like for them tuesday, thank you. -- we would like for them to stay, thank you. >> good afternoon. i am here to represent those who have not been represented the about this process. the general plan for san francisco states that the number one priority policy to ensure the city supply of affordable housing, be preserved and enhancing. the permit applicants appears to be removing the 12th affordable housing units. the owner and landlord of the search the 192412-unit apartment building died in april of 2008, leaving the property to her two daughters, permit applicants come up one of which is a residential real-estate agent. in august of 2008, the new owners initiated eviction proceedings with the help of legal counsel against the 64- year-old 30-year tenant of unit 3. the allegations against the tenets were vicious and ridiculous. the permit applicant initiated four evic

your thoughts on what it means to live longer but not necessarily live better. >> you are right. frankly, i am writing this memoir from the perspective of somebody who is prosperous andhe things that i discovered about the additional 12 years is that i don't think they are added to the end of life. i they the last couple of years of life for many people are not the same as they were 50, 60, or 70 years ago. they can be really tough. people that are in their sixties and seventies are living a different kind of life than their grandparents latter, even in these tough times. a lot of them are more active, a lot of them are still working which was not the case. at a lot of them are challenged by the fact that a record number of people in their sixties have living parents. a record number of people in their sixties have kids that it may still depend upon them. you're getting squeezed both sides. you're taking care of your mom and dad and still doing caregiving with your kids which is not easy. overall, there is a level of satisfaction that might be unparalleled. tavis: to the point yo

with a preview-- is live that maryland live! with a preview. >> we will ask the president if we can turn on the machines and see how they operate. that is coming up for you. you can see why this is being billed as the largest casino. it is huge. you can get a workout just walking around this place. it will be 330,000 square feet. it is opening today with 3200 slot machines which is the largest opening anywhere for slot machines in an open concealed. the casino will be offering electronic table games including blackjack, roulette, and craps. also six restaurants including a mass of buffet, is a must for any casino. the slots and casinos -- and restaurants will be available. >> will have 3200 machines that will be available. we will have five of the six restaurants operational. we will have live! market buffet, phillips seafood, noodles, bobby flay's burger palace, and in two weeks, the cheesecake factory will open. >> i you not be able to see it from here at the end of the open to see a part of the building. but beyond that back

live in san jose.in the bay." >> a man who once cared for vulnerable children behind bars on child predatory charges. police say he molested two young girls in his care as well as an 18-year-old woman with the mental age after kindergartener. he worked at a facility in los gatos which houses children who are dependents of the court and also worked at achieve kids for the developmentally disabled. there could be more victims. >> 6:33. lee will face arrest, that was the message to dozens of teachers, patients and activists camping out at lake view elementary since friday. stfrp is live where protesters are still refusing to move. good morning. >> reporter: good morning to you. so far really pretty quiet here, there has been no police activity although through the night there has been at least one officer camped out across the street. it is clear the school district wants to keep a close eye on protesters and the activity here. it was almost 24 hours ago when officers arrived on the campus not 24 hours ag

reporting live, christie smith, "today in the bay." >> 5:02. a suspected serial killer will ask a judge to review dna evidence linking him to murders. 77-year-old joseph nasois acting as his own attorney. the photographer is charged with killing women police say have identified -- who police, rather, have identified as prostitutes. nasohas been labelled the double initial killer because the victim's first and last names start with the same letter a. jury trial is set to begin in november. >> a 10-year-old boy in critical condition this morning after being shot walking home from squool his mother. police say somebody on a bicycle fired at car near 15th street and main avenue but instead that bullet hit the boy. he was taken to the hospital. good news he is expected to survive. police right now searching for the gunman. >> a peninsula man will be remembered. 30-year-old edmund beverly was found dead sunday. gun fire had been reported near glenn way but his body was not found until several hours later. no arrests have been made. tonight's vigil an

>>henry: with our live in menlo park live at the sunset celebration weekend.rs. we are pointed me talking about tropical plants for your house. south we will tell you about edible forces in great outdoor living. janu >> we're with lives to lead a low cloud cover at the close of fall. sphere temperatures will be warm and into the afternoon. this this week set higher when does into the afternoon. both the chance of showers in the forecast. copper >>marty: hosni mubarak has been sentenced to life in prison. he was charged with corruption, misappropriating funds in the more seriously, issues orders and ge were to kill demonstrators calling for the downfall of his regime. others have denounced the outcome, angry that nine soldiers thought were left off the hook. his sons were acquitted of corruption in insider- trading charges. >>ysabel: travelers at sfo may want to attack a little more patience. air force officials have closed down one of the runways for mandatory work. craig sklar is live at sfo. >>craig: they are expecting that after 10:00. offs here are some pi

>> there may be a platform for a live band if we decide to go forward with a live band or a deejay. that is the only difference in terms of rearranging the furniture of any sort. >> any members of the public wish to comment? >> good evening, commissioners. my name is david. i am the director of community leadership alliance. we're the ones who have the party bus meetings yesterday. i want to speak on this applicant's request for entertainment permit. our organization for a good number of years has been facilitating committee out reached for liquor license and entertainment permits. this started with our chairperson, commissioner fallon. >> we need you to speak to this issue only. >> i'm going to get there. >> i will give you a little leeway. >> this particular act -- african went above the call of duty in reaching out. he afforded us an on-site visit -- this particular applicant went above the call of duty in reaching out. he afforded as an on-site visit of the place. he has been a vital part of our community improvement. we supported his application. that is where i was going. greg

. >>> a live look over san francisco. the sun is getting ready to rise on this wednesday, june 20th. this is "today in the bay." >> narrator: >>> from nbc bay area, this is "today in the bay." >>> good morning to you, and thanks for joining us. 5:00 right now. i'm laura garcia-cannon. the man accused of attacking a priest in a retirement home will see him victim today in court. damion joins us live outside the san jose courthouse this morning where the defendant insists he's the actual victim. good morning. >> reporter: good morning, laura. the national spotlight will surely be inside the san jose hall of justice. william lynch intends to draw attention to priest sex abuse. the opening arguments begin at 9:00 this morning in san jose. back in 2010 police say lynch went into the jesuit sacred heart retirement center and beat up darrell linder. he said as a child he aabused him and his brother. the 44-year-old is facing felony assault and elder abuse charges. lynch has not denied the attack and says it was justified because

live in san jose. damian trujillo, "today in the bay." >> 6:10, an autopsy today could shed more light on the death of rodney king, the man whose videotaped beating sparked riots and a debate on racism. king was found at the bottom of a swimming pool sunday. neighbors say they heard a commotion at the house but police say foul play is not suspected. king's fiancee says she had been speaking with king by the pool in the moments before his death. >> during one of the conversations she had went back in the residence and she heard a splash. she came out to see what had happened and found mr. king at the bottom of the pool. she immediately dialed 911 and we responded. >> a grim end to a saga that began in 1991 when king was 25 and tried to outrun police when he was caught, the beating by four los angeles police officers was all caught on camera and broadcast nationwide. the officers' acquittal led to three days of deadly riots and widespread destruction. >> 6:11 now. coming up, yeah, the u.s. open, it's all

and that has destroyed my life and the lives of others. mainly, here to ask you to redouble your efforts to find more efficient and more economical programs. had you given more money to the legal assistance to the elderly i would not have had a problem, but i was outmaneuvered and lied to by my landlord. he has hundreds of lawyers and legal assistance and does not have time to discuss most cases. i have currently eight two- bedroom section 8 vouchers for almost a year now be -- but i'm still homeless because i cannot find section 8 housing. and there is one housing person with hundreds of disabled clients that she is trying to serve. because i am a client i am a member of the hot team, but i do not use drugs or i call and that is where their funding -- or alcohol and that is where their funding is. i am costing them in their program. i could soon lose that bed. where will i go then? the shelters have denied the entrance, and that is why i am with the hot team in the first place. if the hot team had more funding, i could perhaps be more sta

we'll get a live report.ahead, exclusive, the audiotapes of jerry sandusky's adopted son matt opening up to police about how he was allegedly abused by his father. then the georgia woman fighting a flesh eating bacteria reaches an important milestone in her recovery. this as we see her for the first time since the start of her ordeal. we'll have more on that story and michael phelps has officially qualified for the london olympic games. an in-depth interview with the swimming legend and why he says the last four have been the hardest of his life as we get started on a tuesday morning here on "today." jon and laura, back to you. >> thanks so much. michael flems qualified for the olympics. take a look. neck and neck. once they took off. for most of the 400 meter individual medley. loch lo lochte won it. both making it on the u.s. olympic team. >> a showdown in london. >> the tickets to the gymnastics trial are selling fast. no shocker here. some fans settling for the few remaining upper level seats, must be in

this is where seniors in san francisco live base in the 2010 census. they are reallspread all over the city. particularly the chinatown area. one of the things i want to point out is this issue of isolation which is not confined to one demographic or one in income growth. off -- if this was to show the proportion of seniors, then west portal. it is not these issues of isolation. these are not just confined to low income persons, they affect all seniors in san francisco. this is the slide that addresses your concerns. you will see that san francisco has twice the number of recipients. this goes to the issue of requiring public sector support. >> in your age immigration, h growth and reduction different will wee t same growth in these areas? >> well, f yrdemogrhicsareomewt. fhad put it this 2000 census up there, it would he been at bauble. we typically see increases among older adults. weatherpersons are now in their 50's will continue to live here once they retire is a different question. many of them may leave the city for a more affordable area. >> ri

what sober living housing offers is an environment.permanent supportive housing, however, may be not be as focused initially on recovery, and so we need to facilitate those services in those settings. because vouchers are being handed out by hud and these programs are being facilitated, but we do need to make sure that there's sufficient services available to address the psychological and-and the substance-related issues that a person may experience. and how do people gain access to that information in order for them to go and basically, i wouldn't say demand, but really negotiate for those types of services, barbara? well, there has to be coordination, and one of the things that the affordable care act is gonna offer is also case management, and hopefully through these case management services there can a seamless transition from recovery into the community, and the fair housing act, you know, prohibits discrimination against people in recovery from housing because that's considered a disability. so, you know, theoretically going forw

who lives far. my lover who lives far away opens the door to my room and offers supper. in a bowl made of his breath. the stew has boiled and i wonder at the cat born from it's steam. the cat is in the bedroom now. muling. the cat is indecent and i whom trying to be tidy, i whom trying to do things the purpose way, i who am sick from the shedding. i, am undone. my lover who lives far away opens the door to my room and offers pastry in a basket spun from his vision. it is closely woven. the kind of container some women collect. i have seen these in many colors but the basket he brings is simple. only black. only nude. the basket he brings is full of sweet burdens and i eat even the crumbs. as am i have not dined for days. my lover who lives far away opens the door to my room and offers tea made from the liquid he's crying. i do not want my lover crying and i am sorry i ever asked for tea. my lover, who lives far away opens the door to my room pretending he never cried. he offers tea and cold cakes. the tea is delicious. spiced like the start of our courtship. honeyed and

our lives. i want to say a special thing about plasticity but that is the son of a process -- that is that the processes in place are reversible. we have studied this, and it demonstrated this to be so. these studies begin by looking at something like an animal like a rat that might be any prime of life, upper left, and a rat that might be at the end of life, below. we know this rat is old, because he has white whiskers and white paws. so if you see a red with white paws in a garage, i'd like to say be nice to him, because he is old. of course, we're also even more interested in a younger or older adult human. what we're interested in our differences in the brain operations of the old versus the young. we have looked at this in science. we have looked at it in almost everywhere you can think of of the operational characteristics of old and young brains. what we see on average is that everything we look at is different. you could say, well, how many of those things that are different, physically,

we're live with a preview. diana? >> after years of planning everything is in place, thousands of people are here, all here to watch him take the step on to high wire and walk into the history books. it's a stunt no one attempted or thought of attempting before today. there is a walk across niagara falls on a cable. at night above a to00 foot drop. many peoples' knees would buckle just at the thought. >> i feel like a kid on christmas morning. >> but this stunt didn't come without challenges. he had to convince local authorities to change laws. hundreds worked around the clock. as for this daredevil, he's been training for years, trying to live up to a family legacy and overcome the stunt that took his great grand faernls live in puerto rico. he's taking everything into account. high winds, a bouncy cable and unfamiliar safety harness. >> i trained for the worst cases so i'm more than prepared. >> 100,000 people are here to watch him. millions more will see it unfold live on abc. and interest are 17 cameras and lighti

christie smith has a live report. the good news is we are entirely accident free across the great ert bay area. bay bridge metering lights not only. you can see from the toll plaza a smooth drive, a beautiful sun rise. >> thank you. 5:21. murder, betrayal and revenge all going to be carried out at san quentin. >> it's okay because it's in the name of theater. theater. 15 inmates tackling the question to be or not to be as they perform hamlet. they have worked on this about ten months. being played by an inmade serving a life sentence. the performance by the marin shea spear company. it lites the stage at 11:15 this morning, well before -- >> sellout. get it? >> no. not at all. >> i'll explain. sometimes you have to ask what were they thinking? this time more like what were they smoking. how hemp con, steps away from a volleyball tournament. >> a live look over san francisco. a little bit of fog there adding mystery. it's going to be r a beautiful y and almost to the weekend. a >> an update to breaking news we're follo

living now in house, fortunately enough the center has found a place to live. we are in a house on the city street that is dangerous to live that. -- live there. [unintelligible] we were almost stabbed. we reported it to the police. we were told we had to forgive that man. we have forgiven him. now, i came here with a place to live. i am glad that they're going to put up a station at 6 street. at sixth street there are lots of things going on everyday. thank you very much. [tone] >> good morning, supervisor. i have a letter from a 98-year- old and i am going to read her statement. i could not remember why i stayed in hospitals six months ago. i guess that that is why i have a true memory. i wonder where i should go after being discharged from hospital. the plan was very helpful in the care home, which provided four hours, seven days a week. now i am living in that care home. every day i see smiley faces and do not have to worry about my day to day activities, especially the medication. all the time i am not quite sure if i take medication or not. in the home, i

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you can watch live coverage on line, cnn.com/live.puter up at the same time. >> it's 22 minutes past the hour. minding your business right now, u.s. stock futures are indicating markets will open mostly flat this morning. anxiety about europe's debt crisis and the global slowdown held back any major gains in u.s. stocks. >> it could have been worse. the dow closed lawyer. nasdaq gained nearly 1/2 a percent. alison kosik in for christine romans. let's not talk about the upward, downward arrows. let's talk about blackberry. >> do you have a blackberry? >> two. >> you still have the blackberry? yes, i still have the blackberry. poor blackberry. they're having a hard time of it. its shares yesterday fell another 6%. below $10. over the past five years, r.i.m., has lost almost 90% of its value. they're sitting at their lowest level since 2003. sales are slumping. it's losing money for the second quart tir er in a row. it's hired investment banks to review its strategic options. it's business speak for saying, yes, we are considering sellin

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today we're live at san jose's hp pavilion with an update, including a live interview with one athlete that knows all about the u.s. olympic experience. good morning. >> reporter: jon, good morning. we want to give the viewers a look at the hp pavilion now that it's set up. looks cool. a little later it will be filled with more than two dozen gymnasts vying for the olympic team to head off to london. that will be whittled down to ten, five men and five women. the competition is thick in here. a guy who knows all about this joining me live this mornt is david durante. you were the 2007 u.s. all-around champi. you actually clenched that title right here at hp pavilion. so it's certainly a senltmental thing to be here today. >> it is. i'm a stanford alumni so i know the bay area really well. to be back here is special. >> reporter: what's your role for the next four or five days? >> i do a lot of media for the u.s. gymnastics and doing in-house radio with shannon miller, one of the most decorated female gymnasts in history. >> sort of a play by lay? >> to give the in-house crowd an idea w

but i live in oakland, california. i am also the charter -- treasurer and i am, and the called saint patrick. -- commonly called saint patrick. our mission is to deliver justice and dignity and equality to our union members. the workers are wall-to-wall local 5. the workers there that are in preparation in opening work under a collective bargaining agreement provide what referred to as a thriving wage, adequate family health-care benefits, they receive a pension contribution, and more importantly, there is a joint labor committee that serves with the workers and the management of the company for the collective that focuses on safety, community outreach, community benefits, and continuing education, a daycare and other things that are of service to the community. we are very proud of this company. from the unions perspective we are here to urge you to allow this company with a very mindful approach to the community, with immigrant workers that are working there that are earning a living wage, an adequate wage, and that