appreciate it. >> my pleasure. >> back to malcolm nance. talking with the representative there about what can be done through the task force to help these localities, if you can hear me. what is the right balance there on the national, local level to mitigate some of the extremism we're seeing in all these touchdowtowns across the country? >> the types of activities are going to need national support, that is using information obtained by the fbi, the department of homeland security. infusing that into the joint terrorism task forces around the country so that what is not actually, you know, by legislation domestic terrorism is not an actual crime that is violated in the united states. so they have to go after them using hate crime laws and other local legislation. but there's two components to it. that part is legislative. and other component is tactically where they will provide more police presence or provide information in briefings on how to harden some of these facilities. but then you're talking about the accessibility of them to thei

joining me now on the phone is the executive director of terror and msnbc terrorism analyst, malcolm nanceolm, we don't have a motive yet or an identified suspect, but the mayor has already called it a hate crime. your thoughts? >> yes. when the mayor identified it as a hate crime, it appeared that he was speaking to some characteristic of the suspect. what we know right now is that this is a male suspect, 19 years old. we don't know what his confession is. we know that he obviously had animosity towards the jewish community. one significant thing there, rev. he's called law enforcement and surrendered himself on the side of the highway, which is very significant. that leads me to believe that it is most likely not a person from the muslim extremist community. they don't surrender for the most part. most likely someone who is from the right-wing extremist community or someone with a personal or psychological defect that has yet to be identified. >> i believe one person identified him as a 19-year-old and the sheriff said he was a resident of san diego. >> that's absolutely right. despite t

i do want to bring into the conversation malcolm nance the msnbc terrorism analyst. icking up on what jim was saying there, this has been such a striking week. where you had -- or last couple of months for that matter, where you had the attack on the mosque in new zealand, you had the attack in sri lanka on the christians celebrating on easter sunday and now what appears to be an attack on people who were celebrating passover there in san diego. >> it is very disturbing that we have this circumstance occurring again. certainly in the united states considering we had the tree of life shooting last november, which killed 11 people in pittsburgh. jim and sean are absolutely right, we don't really know anything about this incident thus far. there are multiple vectors that this could come from, whether it is a personal shooting or a right-wing extremist or an islamic streamist. you just don't know this far or quickly into it. it is only been an hour. but there are some indicators that everyone should take note of. this did happen during sabbath, during the sabbath ceremony

. >> malcolm nance is still with us, the executive director of the terror asymmetrics project. reflecten what michael was saying as well as what the report, ramon, galindo was telling us. >> we're building over the last five hours quite a profile, although it is very preliminary about the shooter. we know that he's 19 years old, he's a white male. he comes from san diego or he was studying in san diego as a student. for the most part, that's what we know about him. his behaviors today as carrying out this attack, going in specifically to a jewish synagogue or chabad, an orthodox synagogue during the passover feast with the intent to kill gives us the impression that he is most likely inspired by a white supremacist ideology. there are some manifestos which are out there that are being reported, and simply because we got the indication from the mayor of poway that this was being seen as a hate crime, that tells us that this was personally inspired by that ideology, and the president himself referenced it as a hate crime. all of this told, we're likely to hear more about his soci

. >> but hold on we heard i think malcolm nance first came on in june or july of 2016.talking to all of these journalesjournalists, the this for years and said no collusion, no collusion, no collusion. they're not listening to it, and you're saying six more months of hearings and they will say oh, there you go. >> you don't need half or 60%, you just need 2% or 3%. given how narrow and small trump's base is, it just takes a small erosion. a lot of those heard from david corn. but it will be on foxx news, people will watch it, they need to be educated, you know raepea the evidence. we are emerged in all -- immersn this. i agree that ultimately you are going to get to impeachment inquiry, but there is also a role of emphasizing this evidence, getting it out there, and fox news will not be able, of course, i mean they're a hackery that you will get, but they cannot resist covering the hearings. >> they would have to play impeachment hearings like everyone else would as well. so it could be what you're saying, they would have to play them, their audience would have to watch

. >> that brings me to our friend malcolm nance. we are almost at our three-year anniversary. three years ago, we started this conversation. now that we have the redacted mueller report which may also be known as the plot to destroy democracy 2.0 because it starts out a lot like your book. i wonder what it means that we still don't know whether or not there is an ongoing national -- ongoing counter intelligence investigation of this president. and then you have this president who is now in just open flagrant defiance of congress. what does that mean, when the rest of the world is looking at the united states right now, when russia is looking at us, what are they seeing? >> first off, you know, people want to know where i've been for the last couple of weeks. i started reading the mueller report, i read it twice and when i woke up, it was one hour before i had to come on the show this morning. there is a lot to digest in that report. there are two components to this. there was the attack on the united states by the russians. they flooded the zone with agents, assets, resources

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. >> mall couple nance, terrorism analyst msnbc, nbc news as well, contributor here joins us. malcolm, in context we take a step back, four shot, nobody was killed, no fatalities, that's information we're getting right now, and that it appears that update number one may be the only major update in this breaking news arc that unfortunately sometimes can last hours because we just don't know where the shooter is or some of the other remnants of what the initial attack involved. if you put this in the context for us here, malcolm, and the recent breaking news story that all of us unfortunately were on air to cover was the pittsburgh synagogue attack. >> right. >> and all synagogues across the country then went on high alert and put into effect new security procedures along the way. how would you put all that we know right now into context of recent attacks on places of worship? >> well, i'll good along with what jim said in the does follow a pattern, but we don't know what the initial vector on this pattern is. we don't know what the initial spark that set it off is. and we won't until w