. >> i want to bring in former january 6th investigative counsel, marcus childress.nk you for joining us. it is very interesting we saw several of these sentences carrieouthis week and several of these defendants begged for mercy. they wanted to see their kids again. they begged for leniency. yet pezzola, once the judge didn't give him that, turned around and said, trump won, is in a reprieve from jail sentences? >> when we were conducting interviews of these proud boys, one thing we noticed was they had unwavering support for the president. that's why they came on january 6th. he talked about how president trump exploited the violence but the proud boys were the foot soldiers of the violence. they were the tip of the spear, it's hard to distinguish whether they actually feel remorse but for our interactions with people who attended the capital on january 6th including the proud boys, they have unwavering support. >> what do you make of the sentences though? i mean some of the guidelines, actually called nor much longer sentences. the prosecutors in some cases asked

. >> i want to bring in former january 6th investigative counsel marcus childress. thank you so much for joining us. it's so interesting. we saw several of these sentences carried out this week, and several of these defendants bedding for mercy. they wanted to see their kids again. they bedding for leniency, and yet for pezzola to then, once the judge didn't give him that, turn around and say, trump won, it almost seems like, is this a game, a ploy to try to get a reprieve from these jail sentences? >> when we were conducting depositions and interviews of these proud boys, one of the things we noticed, they had unwavering support for the president. that's why they came to d.c. on january 6th. i think it's important to talk about the indictment, how president trump exploited the violence. the proud boys were the foot soldiers of the violence. they were the tip of the sphere as the judge said today, and as we described them on the committee. look, it's hard to distinguish whether they actually feel remorse, but from our interactions with people who attended the capito

joining me now in studio is marcus childress, former january 6th investigative counsel and jean gene -- i'm not going to do it. my mind is blown by that moment. but there was another moment today. and many people thought, today, there is no way the judge is going to look at the decision today about the actual -- he did. and he said, kenneth cheeseborough, sidney powell, you have to be tried together. not the other 17. but, tried together. i want to talk about the winners and losers of that decision, though. because that is really part of what is coming up on the horizon. when you heard about that, who do you think was the winner there? >> are you ready? >> i am ready. i >> think the big winner is jack smith. >> oh! >> because he is brilliant in charging donald trump by himself. -- you have a kerfuffle. you have a perfect storm of motions, scheduling, and constitutional issues, and removal. the big loser, i think, was the scheduling of the case in fulton county court. because, how the heck are they going to have 19 defendants in one room, in one courtroom, and not take six months or e

and marcus childress served as investigative counsel for the january six committee.now a veteran white-collar defense attorney. they both join me now. let me start with you, michelle, because i think -- we will get to the jack smith filing. but i just, i sense this feeling in the political discourse right now, where it's like, there are all the indictments, and then that kind of got priced in. and now, it's like everyone is nosing around for another story, maybe kamala harris is a problem, joe biden, this or that. and it's hard as a journalist to keep saying they after day, like this is it, this is the national emergency. and yet, that remains the case. >> it's hard, as a journalist, i think it's probably hard as an audience, or for activists, you see a slackening of political activity, in nations, many different ways, people are burned out, there are possibly even traumatized -- >> understandable. >> they thought that they heated this thing in 2020. and i also think in terms of news, they had this sentencing in her first book, how can it for the time available? and

. >> marcus childress, i'm glad you're here tonight. it could take two, three months for jury celebration alone, people have a law and order philosophy, i don't mean like the political statement, i mean the television series, you have a crime that's committed, the person is found, there is an indictment a trial and they're walking to the trial in 45 minutes without commercial breaks. shocking to people. there is an election in about 424 days from now. you were on the january 6th investigative committee as counsel for that. looking at this right now when you heard about mark meadows who didn't go in front of your committee at all right? not being able to go to federal court are you surprised? >> i'm not surprised. we were all expecting pretrial motions of this nature, we were expecting his defense to put forth creative arguments like removal. the court made it very clear to the heart of the allegations as the customers itself to -- conspiracy itself. the creative arguments that are going to force the court to make rulings. i would expect

childress. he serves as investigative counsel for the january 6th committee. marcus, you're seeing here the special counsel moving very quickly to take some of this stuff and use it as evidence to push the judge for a limited gag order. how successful do you think they'll end up being? >> i think what the special counsel's trying to do is trying to stop what happened on jan 6th. right? the former president was making comments about vice president pence at the time and then it led to rioters saying hang mike pence on the steps of the capitol inside the capitol. you no you see the special counsel taking recent statements from the former president, putting it in his reply brief and letting the court know we don't want to see rioters or people coming to the courthouse threatening our witnesses. >> and by the way, mark milley is a witness. >> yep. >> this is incredibly pertinent. >> it's incredibly pertinent. and that was one of the more effective parts of this filing. the special v special counsel took these statements that have been made since the last motion a couple w

. >> i'm going to bring in former january 6th committee counsel marcus childress. great to have you here on this friday evening. let's dive into this. trump, no surprise, wasted no time firing back at jack smith and his latest criticism, he is saying with this limited gag order that jack smith is requesting, that essentially, he is trying to take away his first amendment rights. what do you say to that? >> i say it's baloney. shepherd versus maxwell cited in his brief, on page one. that's the case. when you have a trial, the outside influences and the influences inside of a courtroom, they can be controlled by the judge. what's paramount in a criminal trial is the integrity of the process, number one, and the unbiased nature of the jury pool and the jury that is selected. so that's the purpose of the gag order. what bothers me about donald trump is he is going to violate the gag order if it is issued. there are clause that's they're asking for, the government, and he cannot possibly comply with that. he is not allowed to talk about the merits of the case. that's wh

we didn't do anything. >> joining this conversation, marcus childress.ed the committee's investigation into the rioters at the capitol including the proud boys and was a member of the team that deposed tarrio. claire and david with us as well. what i have to ask you, does tarrio understand, marcus, that trump could have pardoned him, could have pardoned them all, could have pardoned rudy, could have pardoned meadows. do they really think that he couldn't have pardoned them in the 15 days he was still president after the insurrection? >> look, i think he has to know that. our committee deposed tarrio for approximately seven hours and there were two things that stood out to me in talking to him. one is that he definitely plays for the audience he's talking to. so, you just played the clip, we know after december 19th, president trump said be there, it will be wild, enrique tarrio organized and he plays to who he's talking to in that manner. when he talked to us on the committee, he minimized his involvement and leadership. he talked about how the proud boy

let's discuss with margaret childress. marcus, to you first. what do you think?udge is going to rule in this meadows matter here? this is a critical decision. this judge is about to make. >> right. i think any trial attorney would tell you the facts matter. if you have the facts on your side, you're feeling good about your chances of winning the day. we wanted to talk to mark meadows for the exact reasons we saw during cross-examination last week during his hearing because he was part of the greater conspiracy to overturn the election, particularly in georgia. i think those are the facts the fulton county d.a. keeps going back to. we've seen the meadows team actually focus on little issues such as scheduling meetings or phone calls but as the fulton county d.a. keeps pointing out, those phone calls went further. if you keep going back to that being a conspiracy, i think the fulton county d.a. has to feel good about their chances. >> vita, do you think the meadows defense team has proved its case, that he was just doing these things out of his duties at the white