three of your latest books include churches, margaret thatcher and a history of england. that is a mix of topics. >> different sides. a political columnist with the guardian actually and i've written about politics all my life. i've been involved in the political controversy. it is architecture. there were two books on london buildings. i'm fascinated by architecture generally. i write books about english churches and houses. so have my time is worrying about the environment and landscaping and that sort of thing and the other half. i tend to keep them apart. >> which one brings you more pleasure to write about? >> probably architecture. i just get inside buildings and a curious way. the book i'm working on now is about english landscape, and it is an attempt to look at what constitutes the beautiful view of the landscape and that has now moved on from buildings that i find i can fall in love with a subject like that very easily and it becomes an obsession. so now i'm very concerned with beautiful places and buildings and coastlines and these two things merge into one and

how important was class to margaret thatcher? >> guest: it was very important because she came from the outside so she had to overcome the double barrier of being from the wrong class in the wrong sex as far as establishment went but it would be a mistake to think that she was hostile to traditional social order in britain. she was a huge believer in opportunity but she wasn't a believer in imposing equality and she had a sense of british history which meant she quite respected very much respected the monarchy the constitutional order and even the aristocracy. what you often find with her in class is that she likes a lot of these sort of distinguished old peers and whatnot. so long as she is not being patch and i send the thing she would always note about a person who was above her older than her or more powerful than her is, is he patronizing me or not? she didn't like prime minister milan because because she felt patch and eyes by him but she did like the more aristocratic prime minister because he treated her like a gentleman.

this week better in a newspaper editor charles more and his latest book margaret thatcher the longtime reporter and editor and columnist from the london daily telegraph presents the authorized biography of britain's only female prime minister. the program is about an hour. >> welcome to "after words." i am tobey with the sunday times of london and with me today is charles moore, the journalist and author, former editor of the spectator in britain, the times and the sunday telegraph and the daily telegraph. charles is also the man responsible for sending me to washington in 1999 and also belfast and jerusalem as well. charles has written a biography of margaret thatcher, the first of two volumes, and it takes up from her birth to her finest moments in 1992. the books received great reviews and the sunday times held its elegant pos, research and careful judgment and the telegraph described its combination of biographies and intellectual history is as the count among the many. they died only last month and like 859 pages substantial as it should be. currently it what wasn't written overni

occasions you excepted can phr. >> the revtarw in the telefraeds of the meryl streep movie about margaret thatcher's life ch i found it rather canicel in many ways. in a sense tried to bellaire and y g3aie. ho ph.ed over and plquite what is your view? >> well, someone who knew l gety thatcher, it was distressing. suffering from dementia. that did not like it at all. a wider aametarhane and ennew ls . yout her obviously, and a funny way it had a good effect on her reputation beconase it m gete people realize, this crucial thing which they tend not to reale it is cwitsue strength that overcame the vulnerability. she must be strong to ssenceed. when you see that it is touching and it is -- i agree the actual in terms of a character study it was interesting. beconase it was so brillundntly phne. the actual depiction was so good that i thought she must have met lady thaf she h getshe that was a very accurate depiction. >> some of the partirlla ap3 detai that s were not accurate l and may have been an exaggeration, but the general maso -er of it is astonishing, astonishingly good. >> was she aware of the

it is relevant today because margaret thatcher's in view of capitalism has a very contemporary bearing on the debate about the fix the relationship between the financial system with the economy is to support at the center of "masters of nothing" because throat her life lady thatcher passionate lee believed capitalism not only the most effective form of economic organization ever invented, but also the most moral and today the first of those is almost undisputed in regional be grateful to the market liberals of west and east those to free the people through thought and deed of china in the at and indonesia and beyond and it is the greatest source of prosperity as known to man. but that the free market is a moral force for good is less well understood in this moral authority hinges on two crucial factors. first at the free market is bad because reward is proportionate to ever win the markets work those prosper in those who work hard and risk their capital succeed to make other people's lives, their customers lives better. and for most people fairness is a form of reciprocity you get out

three of your latest books include churches, margaret thatcher and a history of

is a great honor to be here speaking at the appropriately named margaret thatcher center for freedome heritage foundation and the sad passing of baroness thatcher reminded conservatives on both sides of the atlantic of the values we hold in common and delighted to be contributing in my own small way to the great dialogue of ideas which has always existed between our two big countries and it is relevant today because margaret thatcher's view of capitalism has a very contemporary bearing i feel on the debate about how we fix the relationship between the financial system and the economy that it exists to support and this is at the center of "masters of nothing: human nature, big finance, and the fight for the soul of capitalism" and the book we're launching this week. throughout her life lady thatcher passionately believed that capitalism was not only the most effective form of economic organization that had ever been invented but also the most moral and today the first of those points is almost undisputed and we should all be grateful to the market liberals of west and of east who in f

through to the irresponsible spending of the two thousands with the examples are in the june and margaret thatcher helped the only way that the way people behave of the world occasions that behavior should be at the very heart of how we think about capitalism. she supported small business, the challenger, the entrepreneur coming out the corporate giant distorting the market whether the public with private dirt but we must do the same. for too long before the crisis, for instance, metal and can pay packets here at home have stagnated and beyond the political rate is having show that we have the juice to ensure everyone can benefit from the prosperity the market could generate. so i'm not one of those conservatives who looks at the mistakes by government who concludes the air has no case to answer. the fact is before the crash a lot of people, especially the finance industry could not be making money for their clients are from them and the moral underpinnings of personal responsibility and something for something of reciprocity were badly undermined by this behavior. we are giving, "masters of nothi

forty nine million pounds profit so the water industry was privatized in the late eighties by margaret thatcher how did she do it well just like she privatized british telecom and these others she gave the people shares so all the water companies were immediately floated now only three of those companies are still listed all the rest were bought out by private equity in the case of thames water so by mcquarrie there are guys who own a lot of the toll booths by the way the private roads inside america this is basically sowing the cash and buying the mill text me that. the prices are going higher the generation after the factor generation of course is going to be paying through the teeth and their standard of living is now less than it was the first time in a hundred years here in britain current generation standard of living is dropping underneath the previous generation so continuing on this theme of margaret thatcher where she started with this privatization of various things and the big bang the deregulation this is another thing why we are row row row your boat not so gently up the stream be

. >> host: what was your relationship with margaret thatcher? >> guest: i had a really good relationship with margaret. often we argued about things. she is a pretty fierce are your, but she doesn't like lap dogs, people just say yes margaret, and so, we wouldn't go added, but our underlining way of thinking about things was very similar. so a lot was constructed by the bald reagan and thatcher relationship and i was glad to be part of it and i was glad to go to her funeral because i had been close to her both before i was in office and after we left office. we still had times when we were together. so i was glad to have a chance to go and pay my respects because i think it is a fair statement that between margaret thatcher and ronald reagan and their leadership, they changed the world, the art of history was changed. >> host: page 245 of "issues on my mind" coming you write that in my view the most striking trend now is something else. it's the growing dynamism, cohesion and cooperation of like-minded nations that share an important set of posit

margaret thatcher, queen elizabeth i. there's a very deep mythology. the warm to that figure.t off, it's the one way she could win the hearts of the people. >> it's essential. she's going to be the first female nominee of a major party because there is concern that a woman would not be perceived as strong figure at a time of war. so she's got to be very careful protecting our options. she has time about getting out of iraq. chris: led by a pro war woman and what do you call her? >> a warrior queen. chris: anti-war democrats unite an alternative to hillary? seven say yes will unite against some nonhillary. very close, andrew. you say there will be the unhillary candidate. >> of course. the forces are so great and the loathing -- and some of the loathing and the criticism is legitimate. what's happened over the last month or two is the period of hillary as the inevidentable candidate has ended. chris: it has? >> it hasened. now there's a real serious discussion in the democratic party about who they might choose as an alternative. chris: even though the iraq war posed trouble fo

eventually margaret thatcher said you run out of other people's money. we have to decide what is most important. >> do you agree? >> absolutely. let's be honest about what's going on here, we have structural sexism going on and i don't have any easy answers to solve it. my family has done it's part. both my sisters have done their part. >> you have definitely contributed to the lack -- you have push the down the nursing shortage we thank you very much for that. >> you're welcome. >> that's it for this edition of "to the contrary." please follow me on twitter @bonnieerbe and @tothecontrary and visit our website, pbs.org/tothecontrary, where the discussion continues. whether you agree or think, to the contrary, please join us next time. ♪ harmful chemicals. >> funding for "to the contrary" provided by: the cornell douglas foundation committed to encouraging stewardship of the environment, land conservation, watershed protection and eliminating harmful chemicals. additional funding provided by: the colcom foundation. the wallace genetic foundation the e. rh

but you can't have both and that idea was taken up by ronald reagan in the united states by margaret thatcher in the united kingdom and they started putting in practice policies the would lead to the more unequal societies but gradually those ideas came to be accepted pretty well across the political spectrum by the moderate left some democrats and the united states bought into that idea. the effectively accepted that argument as well and the crash started to be challenged. >> host: the cost of your book the super rich and the economy is that this inequality caused the crash, connect? >> guest: what happened in the 80's and 90's is that more and more, we have this falling share of national act going into the wages and the rising share going to the profits and this concentration of income they may be 10,000 people around the world accumulating these huge sums of money. but this does, this sort of in balance if you like creates an economic fault line and then eventually lead to collapse and there are two particular ones. the first is what happens is the demand in the economy because if you sque

mr putin or or tony blair or or margaret thatcher you're hearing or someone who has attained a great deal of public that go that goes away really goes away very quickly and another thing you always know your the interviewer is in control you sophy are in control of this not me you control this moment and once i understood that weather was frank sinatra or vladimir putin or the mailman i control the situation and if you control it there's no reason to be nervous there's no reason to be scared there's no reason to be apprehensive because you control the moment you this is your show but if that one minute of intimidation that you fail gendered for you. now are not i don't think so. i don't know i when i say intimidated that's a momentary it's just a flash that's. i said a minute it's probably twenty seconds you know you have been to meet someone that you you you've seen on a large screen on a large stage you go into that setting and you have a you know when you when you do it long enough then you get famous so sometimes i'll go into i've gone into people and the first thing they say to

mr putin or or tony blair or or margaret thatcher you're hearing or someone who has attained a great deal of public that go that goes away really goes away very quickly and another thing you always know you're the interviewer is in control use sofi are in control of this not me you controlled as moment and once i understood that whether was frank sinatra or vladimir putin or the mailman i control the situation and if you control it there's no reason to be nervous there's no reason to be scared there's no reason to be apprehensive because you control the moment you this is your show. but if that one minute of intimidation that you fail gendered for you. now i'm not i don't think so i don't know i when i say intimidated that's a momentary it's just a flash that's. i said a minute it's probably twenty seconds you know you have been to meet someone that you you you've seen on a large screen on a large stage you go into that setting and you have it you know when you when you do it long enough then you get famous so sometimes i'll go into i've gone into people and the first thing they say

mr putin or or tony blair or or margaret thatcher you're hearing or someone who has attained a great deal of public that go that goes away really goes away very quickly and another thing you always know you're the interviewer is in control use sophie are in control of this not me you controlled as moment and once i understood that whether was frank sinatra or vladimir putin or the mailman i control the situation and if you control it there's no reason to be nervous there's no reason to be scared there's no reason to be apprehensive because you control the moment you this is your show but if that one minute of intimidation that you fail gendered for you . now i'm not i don't think so. i don't know i when i say intimidated that's a momentary it's just a flash that's. i said a minute it's probably twenty seconds you know you have been to meet someone that you you you've seen on a large screen on a large stage you go into that setting and you have a you know when you when you do it long enough then you get famous so sometimes i'll go into i've gone into people and the first thing they sa

forty nine million pounds profit so the water industry was privatized in the late eighties by margaret thatcherhow did she do it well just like she privatized british telecom and these others she gave the people shares so all the water companies were immediately floated now only three of those companies are still listed all the rest were bought out by private equity in the case of thames water so by mcquarrie their strategy and guys who own a lot of the toll booths by the way the private roads inside america this is basically sowing the cash and buying the mill technique that should it.

i just want to remind everybody of what margaret thatcher said. she said, " george, this is no time to go wobbly." obama and summer publicans think that america's strength -- and some republicans think that america's strength is provocative. their answer is american decline and weakness. this is the contemporary version of george mcgovern's 1972 theme, come home, america. in fact, it is american weakness that is provocative. sadly we now have one of the most provocative presidents we have ever had. let's not elect another one. our goal is peace for america, and we can achieve that peace for strength and determination. our founders understood this. that is why in the declaration of independence they pledged their lives, fortunes, and sacred honor. this generation has to be prepared to carry on that legacy. there is no turning away from a hostile world. thank you very much. [applause] and yo from the faith and freedom coalition conference, remarks by bishop e.w. jackson, the republican candidate for virginia lieutenant governor. this is about 10 min

china's reforms, margaret thatcher's rise, ayatollah all began in 1979 and have been shaping international the story of that pivotal year and its koconsequee with intelligence and grace. now for the last look. this has been become the face of the modern protester. we saw it on the streets of turkey this week and airline woerks and many others, too. and in thailand this week, too, covering the faces of anti-government protesters. they were used by the anti-austerity protesters in greece, by the occupy movement, by the protesters in take and hackers. and this week the saudi interior minister is said to have banned the masks all together. what do you think? the likeness is that of an explosives expert in the early 1600s in england who was part of a plot to blow up the state opening of the british parliame parliament. he is still burned in he have fanlg gi every year. a film was released in 2005 by cnn corporate cousin warner brothers. i bet he could never have imagine that had 400 years later he would have so many double gangers so far flung across the world. the correct answer to our questio

>> great thing with margaret thatcher she established trust, even trust within the financial community she did what she said she was going to do and people trusted her. when i was in parliament people were prepared to give information to the government. >> neil: this president on a personal level, a lot of people can't conceive. possibility he would be behind orchestrating a lot of this. defense falls back to he was unaware. i didn't know defense. is that any better? >> my own experience selective amnesia is unvariably a sign of guilt. [ laughter ] >> neil: it is your opinion? >> it is my opinion. >> neil: when you go from hands-on leadership style to hands off or not aware. >> i think it's work. when people hear that the top commander was unaware of so many things, each embarrassment. anything is good, i'm right on bin laden and almost got the gun in my hand, anything that goes wrong, i didn't know anything about it. >> neil: and the huge government, so big and stuff like this whether intentional or not is bound to happen? >> i think government is big too big but i don't think that is

i know margaret thatcher went through that in her time, and where do you see us going? >> well, i think that the argument that these analysis leads to is the need to ensure regulations and finance is strong and simple, and at the same time that the free market and the support for enterprise and particularly for small business, for insurgent companies, the small e and growing businesses, that the free markets for them is that, and so we have in the u.k. at the same time as bringing in tougher financial regulations, there's a program of deregulation for broadly for much of rest of the country, and especially for small business. they are not inconsistent at all because we have to make sure the financial system works for the rest of the economy and small business rather than the other way around, and so we're -- we're very clear the direction of travel in the u.k., and in terms of deregulation for small business, at the same time as being clear that we need to make sure finances is regulated properly. >> to follow up on that question, are you concerned for your point in lop

power every democratic leader becomes arrogant and believes they speak for the country -- >> margaret thatcher -- >> yeah. >> the problem is he's preparing the way he's trying to change the constitution to change the presidency which is symbolic to a powerful position with himself as the president. >> are we see the turkish putin changing? >> the way the media is treated in turkey and the fact they are largely terrified of criticizing l this prime minister and showing things that will make him angry and the measures that have been taken against the big media owners in the country, slapping them with half billion-dollar tax fines has a way of changing the editorial tone. >> final question, in terms of america's position, this is clearly a key ally. they are sincere saying look, you got to stop doing this to these protesters. this is not what a democratic society does. what will happen in the next few days and weeks do you think? >> i think it all depends. this is one man's dilemmas. erdogan is so powerful he doesn't even need to listen to president obama. he doesn't even need to listen to the s

lucy is a bit of a combination of rosie o'donnell, oprah and margaret thatcher all rolled into one. she is brainy. she is bookish. she is extremely strong-minded. but she fell madly in love with him and he with her and wonderful letters between them so they married june 16, 1774. this is an early picture of beacon hill and kings chapter. sorry, 1764. sorry, i am still wrong. 1774 and here is a picture of boston. you see the kings chapel is still there. of course a few months later at lexington and heard broke out and at that point the relationship between the flucker's and lucy and henry's disintegrated completely. to make matters worse, the skirmishes continued all spring but to make matters worse, general thomas gage was a good friend of lucy's father and he thought that henry being brainy and young and energetic and quite intelligent and clever ,-com,-com ma that he would make a terrific british soldiers so he forbid henry to leave boston which of course was that bad time. henry and lucy did not like that. so, one moonless night so goes the story, lucy had quilted his sword into

china's reforms, margaret thatcher's rise, ayatollah khomeini's revolution, they all began in 1979 andnternational life ever since. carl tells the story of that pivotal year and its consequences with intelligence, grace, and lusidty. now for the last look. this has become the face of the modern protester. we saw it on the streets of turkey this week. worn on masks by airline workers but by many others, too. and in thailand this week, too, covering the faces of anti-government protesters. they were used by the anti-austerity protesters in greece, by the occupy movement, by the protesters in tahrir square, by the mysterious hackers known as anonymous. >> greetings citizens of the world. >> and the visage is apparently so frightening that this week, the saudi interior minister is said to have banned the masks all together in his country, following in the footsteps of his neighbors in bahrain and the uae. what do you think? the likeness is that of guy faulks, an explosives experts in new england who was part of the plot to blow up the state opening of the british parliament. he's still bur

with us now to analyze gardner director of the margaret thatcher center for freedom at the foundation. nile, i was laughing it was like a coffee "the columbus dispatch." small crowd there what happened? >> i think the whole speech was a bit of a disaster, frankly. even berlin's leading newspaper described his speech as elm bear racement as a leader of the free world. it was that bad. >> laura: why was it bad. >> it was pure unadulterated muff. no substance at all. a usual laundry list. >> laura: global warming. >> riding the world of nuclear weapons. >> he was having problems with teleprompter that was the excuse. >> endless list of hopelessly idealistic causes espoused by the u.s. president. absolutely no substance whatsoever in his address and contrast this address with ronald reagan's speech in berlin in 1987 or john f. kennedy's speech in 1963, speeches with tremendous substance. speeches which challenged an entire evil empire. reagan's speech ushered in the downfall of the soviet empire which he uttered those famous words tear down this wall. >> we see what happened a couple of w

as margaret thatcher said, there is no such thing as society, .here are individuals there is no such thing as congress, individuals and staffers. they are faced with a lot of issues. the point earlier that we all have ideal policies to b.c. -- to be put in place, how do we see they are put through the wringer the right way? i think it disagree with larry are where we would come out, and i am very sympathetic to the wage issue is being used. in the sense that there is a broad sentiment in the internet policy community that they stopped sopa. thosee part of both of efforts. there is a sense that they can do anything if they get enough people to sign petitions. the question is, what is that think and what it looks like. i think all of you agreed that this is a generally difficult issue. it may be a fairly simple matter to say global devices should not be covered, but the question we have been talking about about how you either change the recurrent process or how you write a simple fix to govern what they should cover in the future, how you draw that line. my question to all of you is wh

one of three people to represent the united states of america at the funeral of prime minister margaret thatcherworking to alleviate all the stifling economic restrictions that banks and businesses must now endure since the enactment of dodd frank legislation i called out the terrorists for who they are, and for the evil that they perpetrate upon our people. and i've demanded that this administration never under any circumstances subordinates our national security for the administration's weak version of political correctness. i've identified at the outset of the so-called arap spring, this administration's foreign policy blunders and how those blunders have contributed to turning the middle east into a devastating evil jihadist earthquake. >> those are accomplishments? going to a funeral is an accomplishment? bachma bachmann, of course, spent next few minutes of her video slamming the obama administration, here's a video she never mentioned. the number is zero. that's the number of bills michele bachmann has sponsored and become law, zero. michele bachmann has no legislative accomplishments dur

she will point out she's not taking back her position supporting the iraq war, maybe as the margaret thatcher role, as a woman you have to be positioned a bit more hawkish than the average democratic presidential candidate. what do you think? it's an open question. >> actually that's a very good point, chris. if she wants to do one thing different electorally, it will be try to bring ban appalachian state voters into the party. it's because of race, mainly they abandoned the democratic party for obama in both 2008 and 2012, but those were big bill clinton states. she won't do as well as bill clinton did, but i think she can certainly redue the margins of victory for republicans in states from west virginia, arkansas, others states there. >> besides what she is, a caucasian white woman, i know exactly what you're talking about. when you take southwestern pennsylvania, westmoremand county, and then draw a diagonal and go right through west virginia, down there kentucky, i don't know the full geography, be basically point to a declining vote for obama as opposed to a vote for bill clinton. >> ob

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margaret thatcher was great. not necessarily for the coal miners but great for the country and its spirit. certainly indira gandhi was a great leader. i'm thinking whether merkel is on this level and whether this partnership between our president and her so vividly displayed with the hand over the back, sort of a pal thing going on, isn't that a leading indicator of a hillary clinton leadership role? i think it says to americans watching television, yes, this makes sense. it makes sense to him for hillary to be the next person standing in that role he said. >> that's an interesting way of looking an the it. gee, baby if hillary runs, maybe he'll support her. >> that's what i'm getting to. don't you know what i'm getting to? do you think joe biden likes that picture? i'm just guessing. howard? i know this is a concede i'm working here. >> i think it's very legitimate. very legitimate and i think the more leaders on the world stage who are women the more the message of hillary clinton reverberates. don't forget hil

you'll always have the margaret thatcher's and michele bachmann's who's politics are not particularlyre more likely to ask questions like how do we make it possible for parents to both work and take care of the children. something that's ironic about the fox news men, really conservatives in general. they often espouse things like traditional family values and women staying at home with their children as essential to our social fabric but at the same time they fight tooth and nail against any policy that would allow women, especially poor women, to do just that. these are the same people that say parents on welfare, including single mothers of young children, must work. definitely not stay at home with their children. eric erickson is certainly not about to call for government subsidized government child care or offering parental sick leave. so let's talk about women in power and what it means for women and really for families as a whole. back with me, carmen wong ulrich, josh barrow holding it down for the guys at the table. joy reed and rushma, who is the founder of girls who code a

there was a lot of resistance to a unified germany led by margaret thatcher. were two moments as a journalist and citizen of the 21st century that i felt privileged to be part of. >> michael, here we have this speech, this moment somewhat overwhelmed by the news conference that preceded it. we'll talk to chuck todd about that, on the issue of surveillance. you've had a lot of time to think about this in the last two weeks since the leaks first took place, the balance between surveillance between security and civil liberties. >> it's something we fought over as the cold war was still on in the mid 1970s. this was something i think we should maintain there should be a debate. the shame is it should have been a debate that was gbegun by people in political life. >> tom, while we are told, trust us, it reminds us of reagan, trust but verify. people are wondering how long are the data held and what guarantees we have? if you tell us trust us, how can this man -- >> you were part of the coverage of the patriot act. that was passed in a rush with not a lot of thought

shinzo abe has the opportunity to go down as his country's margaret thatcher, a leader who administeredhe country and revived its economy and its spirits. but to succeed at that task, he has to load up a powerful third arrow in his bow, aim carefully and fire. up next, ben bernanke speaks and world markets go crazy. we'll talk to neil ferguson about that and why the u.s. needs to reform as well. so now i can help make this a great block party. ♪ [ male announcer ] advair is clinically proven to help significantly improve lung function. unlike most copd medications, advair contains both an anti-inflammatory and a long-acting bronchodilator working together to help improve your lung function all day. advair won't replace fast-acting inhalers for sudden symptoms and should not be used more than twice a day. people with copd taking advair may have a higher chance of pneumonia. advair may increase your risk of osteoporosis and some eye problems. tell your doctor if you have a heart condition or high blood pressure before taking advair. ask your doctor if including advair could help improve y

that she is not taking her positions supporting the iraq war, that she will run as maybe the margaret thatcher role you are to be as a woman, even if these days, you have to be positioned a bit more hawkish than the average democratic presidential nominee. what do you think? it's my belief. >> actually, that's a very good point, chris. look, if she wants to do one thing different from obama electorally, it will be to try to bring back appalachian state voters into the democratic party. let's be honest. it's because of race mainly that they abandoned the democratic party for obama in both 2008 and 2012. but those were big bill clinton states. now, she won't do as well as bill clinton did, but i think she can certainly reduce the margins of victory for republicans you know, in states from west virginia, arkansas, other state there's in the appalachian region. >> besides what she is, a caucasian white woman, what does she have to do -- i know exactly what you're talking about. i've seen those frightening numbers where you take southwestern pennsylvania, westmoreland, places like that, washington

sitting here all praised and rejoiced at the way that john paul the great, ronald in reagan, and margaret thatcher helped to bring down communism. what we do not know is the role and that the christian church played. in 1988, it was the millennial year. mikhail gorbachev and all those things were at play and decided in it would be a good thing to lift the lid off at least for one year. guess what -- it was not going back. this is not ancient history for us. this is very recent history. only since the early 1990's have a we christians been able to find our voice once again and become players. in what are often called the old countries among we also recognize that in america we are numerically small, but we are growing, moving in the right direction, and we are finding both the confidence to bea players in our society among, and a but also we are anxious to share in our story and to seek with all of you the religious liberties that protect our right toare worship god as we please. we are anxious to protect religious liberties at it is expressed in the foundation of our country, and we will stand wit

to face that i can deal with in a brief period of time but let me just remind everybody what margaret thatcher said to george h.w. bush right after saddam hussein invaded kuwait. she said now george this is no time to go all wobblely. obama and some republicans think that america's strength is provocative. that we're the problem in the world. their answer is american decline and weakness. this is the contemporary version of george mcgovern's 1972 theme, come home america. in fact, it's american weakness that's provocative. and sadly, we now have one of the most provocative presidents we've ever had. let's not elect another one. our goal is peace for america. and we can achieve that peace through strength and determination. our founders understood this. and that's why in the declaration of independence they pledged their lives to tunes and sacred honor. this generation has to be prepared to carry on that legacy. because there's no turning away from a hostile world. thank you very much. >> next, former 2012 presidential candidate and godfather's pizza ceo herman cane. ust over 15 minutes. >> tha