to f -- active-duty to the 20th and a military tribunal , a court-martial has to be paneled and mark milliebe brought up on charges and court-martialed. >> that was steve bannon earlier this evening relishing the thought of president-elect donald trump exacting revenge on the former chairman of the joint chiefs of staff the now retired general mark millie who has reportedly called trump the most dangerous person to this country and a fascist. as the transition to trump 2.0 gets underway they have their sights set on retribution. plans are now coming into focus. the wall street journal reports on the potential establishment of a warrior board to review and recommend the removal of senior officers deemed unfit for leadership. new report today from reuters reveals that trump's team is drying up its own list of military officers to be fired that could include the chairman of the joint chiefs as well as any and all officers connected to the former chairman. according to one source there's a detailed list of everyone that was affiliated and they will all be gone. joining me is congressman row,. t

military officers involved in the afghanistan withdrawal including joint chiefs chairman mark millie. we begin with our senior white house correspondent kelly o'donnell travelling with the president, washington post political correspondent ashley parker, retired four star general barry mccaffrey and former cia director john brennan. kelly, first to you, president biden is in rio de janeiro where you are for the g20 which russia is also a part of. how is this major policy shift of attack ems playing there while he is there? >> he is there or here rather and was in the room when president biden said remarks today. you played a clip where he gave his full throated endorsement for full support of ukraine. we talked with senior white house officials today as the president is a part of the important meetings that will be his final international summit. while they are not directly confirming the approval of the use of these inside of russia for limited purposes, they are speaking broadly about the approach and pointing out that while the kremlin has said this is an act that adds fuel to the

think a military tribunal, a court-martial, has to be called, and paneled a court- martial and mark millie to be brought up on charges and court-martialed. >> revenge and retribution, trump ally steve bannon isn't just going after general millie, he is calling on the trump administration to imprison attorney general merrick garland and jack smith and also going after the nonprofits, with republicans trying, once again, to pass legislation allowing trump to shut down organizations she disagrees with. >>> good evening, i'm jason johnson in for julie reed. in an hour our nation's history, only one former president has ever been charged with mishandling classified information. only one former president has taken highly classified information and stacked it next to a toilet in one of his houses. only one former president has been alleged to take active steps to obstruct federal investigators from reclaiming that classified information. that man, donald trump, is now, once again, in receipt of classified information through intelligence briefings as president elect. those briefings started short

and so the real question is, are they going to have a different experience than john bolton, mark, milly, mark esper, and john kelly, that's the real question. and so i would submit that to you. that the definition of insanity is to do the same thing over and over again and expect the different outcome so. so i think we're going to, i think we're going to see a lot of that in the 2nd drop administration. and i think it will be unfortunate. look, i mean i would like the organization of administration and the effectually sion of pop policy to lead to great peace, great global prosperity. but you know, he's casting that administration, you know, he's putting people that are former television host, television stars into the administration. are they the best qualified people? i don't know, he's entitled to do whatever he wants. and of course, the set it has to approve it. but, you know, i mean it's, it's going to be difficult, you know, that it will be difficult. but, but the point i was trying to make was that, is he actually a, when everyone says he's a weak character? he's actually a stron

both secretary defense lloyd austin and circus showing you, as well as general mark, milly, and general valerie grass. i'm off to clarify what russian nuclear adoption was grass. and i've talked about 3 circumstances in which the russians would use nuclear weapons. and those cases, one of threatening the stability of the regime to foreign power is attacking with weapons of mass destruction and 3 tactical nukes that could be used to offset catastrophic battlefield losses. the us intelligence committee at the time, estimated there was a 50 percent chance the russians might be willing to use tactical nukes, and ukraine. this makes the, uh, you know, this loose ends the doctrine and makes it more likely. this is a, this is a big key chain. this is not something to dismiss, right? we'll get into that. will they? what do they use these weapons shortly, but to memory, and also in the not so small prints of these changes to about his nuclear dump tree . and it says, russia reserves the right to use nuclear weapons in response to any weapons of mass destruction used against it. or its allies on

. >> you heard trump say that general mark millie should actually be shot for treason . you have had him now make these other comments about liz cheney invoking warfare. >> we got it. >> i don't understand how president biden misspeaking is equal to that. >> does it actually reflect something real and persistent? does it reflect the sentiment real is and persistent? when he's going out more hogs , this is a sentiment and that's why of course he's going to get some pushback from it for war hogs. when joe biden is describing people as garbage for taking a pause , then that will be something that people will pay attention to. >> we are running town out of time in this segment. i asked for your bellwether for trump. what is your bellwether for harrah's? what will be your early indicator on a long election night that things are going well or not? >> it's not in a battleground state, but a state that used to be a battleground where there is a very large and rapidly growing latino population particularly puerto rican and it's a place that obama won by almost a 2-1 margin when h

he said mark millie, one of the most highly decorated soldiers of our generation, was quote, not a realeral because he didn't support donald trump's overthrowing of the constitution. he called a democratic senator pocahontas. he said the democrats were grossly incompetent. and the cherry on top, he pointed to members of the press, doing their job, reporting on what he says in a hostile environment, and called them scum. that is the difference. that is the voice. it's not really a difficult voice to make, even though there's people doing back flips and trying to justify that. if you believe in madisonian democracy, believe in checks and balances, and supporting the leaders of nato is more important than supporting the communist leader of north korea, china, and the former of russia. i thank god that kamala harris is talking about bringing us together and uniting us as a country. >> we will have much more of morning joe: weekend after the break. joe: weekend a fter the break. you didn't start a business just to keep the lights on. lucky for you, shopify built the just one-tapping, ridicul

he has to be recalled to active duty and i think a military court-martial has to be called and mark millie. >> that interview was from friday night, just 24 hours later, we got news that nbc news had explicitly -- exclusively reported that they were making a list of senior current military officers who were directly involved in the 2021 afghanistan withdrawal and exploring whether those individuals could be court- martialed for their involvement in the withdrawal. a person with knowledge of the plan told nbc news that, quote, they are taking it very seriously. nbc news has reached out to the trump transition team for comment, they have yet to response -- respond. joe, let me go to you first, it is not unprecedented for there to be criticism and subsequent investigations of military action. more often than not, the criticism is challenged and channeled through congressional hearings like we saw in benghazi. what you make of this rumor that the incoming administration is exploring using the military justice system and courts-martial in the context of afghanistan withdrawal? >> i don't think

protest on the mall in washington is pete hegseth going to stand up to him like mark esper did, like mark millieid, not just for the country, but for the constitution ? and that is the real risk here is that trump is clearly putting in people who will do whatever he wants, and he's made it very clear that he does not respect the constitution he does not respect the rule of law and that he will dismantle our democracy if he's allowed to. >> i quickly want to ask robert ray to just ask a question or direct something at-- back i expect the guardrails to remain in place notwithstanding i think some overblown fears about what the future-- >> why? >> i expect prosecutors to continue in a new justice department to follow the principles of federal prosecution. the attorney general doesn't run the department all by him or herself. there's already discussions about who the next deputy attorney general will be. it may well be todd blanche. i know todd. i know you know todd, congressman. i don't expect anything other than what you would expect from a department of justice under the ethical standards and in

john kelly, mick raven, mark millie, these are people who have stood up as patriots for our country andonted and opposed donald trump and this is what trump will do to get revenge and retribution against them and pete is clearly the pawn in trump's scheme to do that. >> as we were speaking there was another development let me share that with you, this is new to me as well. trump just announced that elon musk and the fake will lead the doak as elon musk has referred to it the department of government efficiency. it is unclear what that will entail but they will lead it. so i guess on this one take a step back because we do not know much about it other than that, we know he has been talking about it on social media. do you think such a concept being run by somebody from the business world could have the potential to be helpful? >> i think in the abstract, yes. i do think our government needs to be streamlined, we need to make it more effective and more responsive. i do agree with that. the conflicts of interest that elon musk brings to any government job are beyond the pale. how can we be

the former chair of the joint chiefs of staff mark milli. those people are on a list of i don't know, hundreds of people who are the enmists. sure, if the whole -- enemies. sure if the whole administration is just about exacting revenge and retaliation then they're going to find different ways to go after even legitimate legislative activities like legislative committees and i mean, we think that we've been covered by the speech and debate clause as well as the first amendment as well as the separation of powers. but that may be tested because just like they want to go after immigrants and they want to go after public schools and they want to go after federal workers, they also want to go after anybody who's dared to challenge them on their dubious constitutional assertions. and so that means we have to be prepared to defend everybody and the watch word for the period is going to be all for one, one for all. we're going to defend democracy we're going to defend civil society and we're going to defend people who serve the american people in t

the former chief of staff john kelly, the former chair of the joint chiefs of staff mark millie. those people are on a list of hundreds of people who are in that enemies list. if the whole administration is just about exacting revenge and retaliation they will find different ways to go after even legitimate legislative activities like legislative committees. we think we have been covered by the speech and debate clause as well as the first amendment as well as the separation of powers, but that may be tested just like they want to go after immigrants and public schools and they want to go after federal workers they also want to go after anybody who has dared to challenge them on their dubious constitutional assertions. that means we have to be prepared to defend everybody. the watchword for this will be all for one, one for all. we will defend democracy, we will defend civil society and we will defend people who serve the american people in the government. >> congressman jamie raskin it sounds like you have the marching orders ready. thank you for your time. it's good to talk to

. >> i think mark millie has to be recalled to active duty on the afternoon of the 20th, and i think a military tribunal, a court-martial has to be called, pedaled a court-martial, and marshall millie has to be brought up on charges and court- martialed. >> listen, this is obviously motivated by revenge, but we have seen this before, historically. adolf hitler purged the nazi party of nazis that he thought had too much power, and would become too much enemies, for the future, how concerned should we be about drawing these parallels? >> well, i mean, i think -- i don't think we should be concerned about drawing parallels because they are very apt to the situation we are in today. i am not one that calls somebody hitler, but there are hitler like performances that donald trump, and words that he uses quite often. seems there is no problem among the republican caucus and among republicans to have some semblance of autocracy in our country over democracy, here. it is exceedingly concerning, the fact that steve bannon has any sway at all after he just stepped out of prison just days ago,

they heard it from mark esper, mark millie.he was as president from '23 cabinet officials and we will have to rumble with that should he prevail tonight. >> they're not telling you to wrap, you're going to do it? >> madmen at the wheel. keep going. >> we're going to take a quick break. i do want to share one more piece of news. so exciting. all of this stuff coming in. the secretary of state of michigan said, quote, turnout is off the charts all across michigan, ahhh. she didn't say ahh. the the that was me. >> that's the tweet. >> another of the key battleground states we're all watching. another part of the northern blue wall kamala harris is counting on for her victory. live in wisconsin in a moment. plus, this pivotal moment for america in what is nothing short of an existential choice. the autocratic impulses of a candidate who says he'll be a dictator on day one and a reminder, we're 40 minutes away from seeing our first results at 6 p.m. eastern. that's also when rachel maddow takes the wheel. after a quick belated break

he talked specifically aboute department of justice and formet raced questions about former mey mark milliethers. >> certainly outspoken general,s his chief of staff. i think liz cheney is someone h, nancy pelosi. then there's the question of whe legal cases against donald trum. special council jack smith who . >> it's clear what happened to . >> they will go way. big picture will there be any g? who will be the next attorney g. will that attorney general be s? >> i will add a few more things. his aides said he will start dr. he also put the fbi on the listf them. his enemy list could be more vae few names and also he will likee transgenderman ban in the milit. i think the biggest thing is whe house. if this is an spirely republicae are no guardrails there at all s could happen that we're not evet today. >> some trump supporters will st be able to pass confirmation sot it. he will have some non-confirmed. that -- he could pass confirmat. >> he could. i think that we should expect rd congress. that is overwhelming deaf rentin we have seen than in recent yea. the list of trump's there's thet

pete hegseth, trump's real complaint about the pentagon in 2020 was that it resisted mark esper, mark millied the politicization of the military, and trump cannot of that saying, i was betrayed by the military. they did not swear an oath of loyalty to me and they kept saying their oath of loyalty was to the constitution. pete hegseth fully agrees with trump, he thinks it's a woke, dei, politically correct organization, the pentagon, that needs to be cleaned out. and four-star generals need to be vetted, to check their loyalty to the commander-in- chief, not any abstract, to this one. and as you know, there are certain people like the fbi director who i think trump probably does want to remove and god for bid, replace with somebody like cash patel but there are protections for a lot of these jobs but there are fixed contracts, for generals, the arts, you can get rid of them as commander-in-chief, you can get out of them for whatever reason you like and you can promote a corporal if you find them more congenial, that's based on their loyalty to you, and that is pete hegseth, that's his role, a

mark milley turned out to be the ultimate in his mind -- >> yes, we know the turning point for general milley, that was walking across lafayette park during the -- >> george floyd. >> during george floyd protests and millieeeled off and said, this is political. and later apologized for that. so it certainly -- at that point for donald trump, he was no longer a loyalist. although he managed to stay. >> david: rachel scott, from your reporting on the trail, names that you have interacted with that you think have potential shots at being part of a trump administration? >> i had my eyes peeled on doug burgum, who was there, north dakota governor. vivek ramaswamy as well. we've reminded just how much this is a party that has coalesced around the former president. after january 6th, mitch mcconnell saying donald trump was morally responsible for what happened that day. he's now endorsed him. if donald trump is the projected winner, if he goes to the white house, there is no senate majority leader, mitch mcconnell. he's stepping down. he's going to be retiring from that position as the longest-serving republican leader in the senate. there will be a different sort of cast of characters around there. there's que

mark esper, who spoke out about how trump wanted to misuse troops. which, again, in any society the first point of abuse is usually the use of force by the military or the police forces. general millie warned that trump was the most dangerous person in this country, and quote fascist to the core. he told bob woodward that is the kind of pre-election warning. trump's chief of staff, kelly, have been very clear about that. before you listen to this, keep in mind. this is no longer campaign rhetoric. we had an election, the people voted. hillary clinton got a larger share of the total vote, a larger margin than trump has right now. but he got about a two point margin and he won through the swing states. so he is the president-elect lawfully. so, put the politics to the side and understand that these were warnings about substance, about governance, about what the next four years could be like. and they were clear warnings of what we are seeing this week. >> it certainly falls into the general definition of fascist, for sure. >> i saw over the summer of 2020, where president trump and those around him wanted to use the national guard in various capacities. the escalation is to use the mi

former secretary of defense, mark esper sought to court-martial, general stanley and admiral willian for being critics of his, he has the same punishment for people like general milliee military if he were to follow through on those threats? >> if he were to try to follow through, i would hope our military officers would oppose it, this is where you get to the unlawful order, as military officers, you're not supposed to carry out unlawful orders, i would hope that the members of the military, each and every one of whom have dedicated their lives to this constitution will remember all enemies, foreign, but domestic and stand up and not allow that to happen. i think there are enough good officers who would not carry out an unlawful order and i would have to have trust in the military that they would do so. >> would it create a standout, what would that happen for them? >> it would probably end their careers, but at one point, you have to decide, do you allegiance to donald trump or to the nation, that you swore an oath to defend, and i hope they remember that their allegiance is to the united states of america and not any one individual. >> it is extraordinary we are