mark o mark o'mara, are you with us?> yes, right here. >> and your heart can't help but break there for the family and the chad littlefield family. >> and it is funny, because even though she thanked god for the ver dishgts and for the victim's family, they don't get what they want d wanted. and i have kept if in touch with the vikctimvictims' familys, and their pain goes on forever. and a lot of people their live ss are satisfied with it right now, but they will be back to insatiable loss of having a loved one taken away from them the, and so for the littlefield family, and taya, it is going to be years and years. >> how do those moments play for the jury? >> i think very, very compellingly. and i am not questioning the verdict, and i just say that the verdict is what is the polar opposite of a jury nullification, and it is a minor crime where you say, we will give them a pass. but this is a horrific crime where a likable hero was murder and the jury said that we are not buying into this, and we are not giving you pass.

police. >> thank you. >>> and now, back with mark gar geragos, and mark o'mara, and that l.a. goodness. it is unbelievable. let let's talk about the missouri one. mark geragos when there is a female officer warning the other officers that the dash cam is recording, and then it soon turns off, what do you think about that? >> it is not about race but it is the ingrained police belief that they shouldn't be second-guessed or watched. that is what transpires here and for 3 22 years, i have been doing, this and i have heard the clients repeatedly tell me white, black, latino, armenian, whoever, that it happens all of the time and that the police do it and when they march them into the court, it is the civilian versus the police's word and you don't have a videotape, and therefore, it is who is going to win, because everybody wants to believe the police. >> mark o'mara? >> destruction of evidence. that is a crime if the my client did that to destroy the evidence of a crime or evidence of non-crime, and cops simply cannot do it. it is a brave new world for the cops, but they better g

and i want to bring back kimberly and mark o'mara and mark. and what do you make of that?well he wanted to make sure that the evidence didn't get out, because he was afraid that it may get back to the jurors in other ways or back to the witnesses before they testified and so he wanted to control it, but now that the trial is over, it is no longer an issue, and so it is going to be out there, and i think that it should be out there, and we all need to look at that and see what happened in that trial. >> and as we heard from brandon webb as i heard from him, he had some issues and that he was dealing with the ptsd that is a mental issue, and kimberly learned that routh took a gun from the scene. is that significant because he was state of mind and obsessed with the men and their possessions? >> the prosecution argued in the closing statement that routh took the american sniper gun as a trophy. we don't know why, and only eddie ray routh knows why he took that gun, but it is one of the many facts that the prosecution was able to go over in the closing argument about intent lo

mark geragos kimberly priest johnson, and mark o'mara. good evening to all of you, thanks for being with us. >> hey, don how are you? >> thanks. >> "american sniper" only won one oscar. does that say anything about public opinion? >> no i reality don't think it does. like you said it made an enormous amount of money. no question that chris is looked at as an american hero. doesn't have to win it from the academy to know that every american looks in their heart and sees somebody who is willing to give service to his country. and unfortunately, his life in effect in service for his country as well. i don't care what the oscars say, chris is a hero. >> kimberly? >> i completely agree with what mark just said. in addition because there's such a narrow issue, that this texas jury is deciding, not whether eddy routh killed chris kyle and chat littlefield, but only whether or not eddy routh himself was insane at the time of the killing. i think because of that what happened at the oscars has no effect on the jury's decision. >> mark what does th

is something very important and i'm glad that the fbi is looking at it. >> let's look at this, mark o'maraara. i understand and i know you wrote an opinion piece for cnn.com saying it will be a difficult crime to prove, it's a high burden of proof. tell me why. >> don't forget. he's going to be facing a death penalty for three counts of murder and that crime is infused with hatred. you don't decide to kill somebody without hatred in your heart, but what we've done in this country is we've said we'll have a special category of crimes. we'll add an enhancement to it. if you focus on a person or group of people because who they are, their ethnicity or their race and it may well turn out that he did, but the evidence is going to be difficult to prove, we almost have to show that he did the murders because they were muslims. now, there's no question that he had some hatred in his heart and he may well have had some bias against the muslim community and these individuals, but in order to get to that level of hate crime which enhances the penalties, it's just a much more difficult burden. >> when

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. >> outfront now, columnist for the daily beast and mark o'mara.rd the father of those two young women say this has hate crime written all over it. you're saying not so fast. >> not so fast. this screams out for an explanation over and above a parking spot dispute. it's not necessarily the cause for a person's religion. what a hate crime investigation is is a focus or a filter through which you look at everything this guy did leading up to the death. the hate crime is supposed to be there to enhance the penalty if you acted a certain way. he's looking at death penalty eligible three first-degree murder cases in north carolina. he is looking at a life sentence no matter what. >> it is as mark fairly says it's impossible to be a disputes over a parking lot although we have horrific stories of road rage. why are you so sure it was a hate crime as opposed to an ongoing dispute and they happen to be muslim? >> in my mind after speaking to two friends of victims, seeing the comments of the father. i have no doubt the fact they were muslim playing a role.

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cnn legal analyst mark o'mara says this is a powerful view for the jury. >> i think the jury will look't come into us and say i had these drugs from the doctors, these drugs not from the doctor let's consider them all and let me off for a murder case. i don't believe a jury is going to look at it that way. >> reporter: chris kyle never fully knew the depth of eddie ray routh's psychosis. routh's mother testified again and she said she never told the navy s.e.a.l. her son had held his girlfriend at knife point or was admitted to the va hospital. the prosecutor asked her, you didn't think that would be useful information, maybe information that would have saved chris kyle's life? after a painful, long pause routh's mother said it didn't occur to me at the time. defense lawyers rested their case right after eddie ray routh told the judge he will not testify. and that was as much as we've seen eddie ray routh perform in this courtroom throughout this entire trial, carol. in fact it was the only time he's really spoken since he said he was not guilty at the very beginning. most of the time