mike rogers note eld we did at least stop one.ement tree information, they are not going through this unless they have to. if they find out about an email account or an individual or a telephone number on a cellphone from a jihaddist that was cap thaourd or killed, they will go to this information and then go through it and see what they can find. they are not necessarily finding out anything from this information. but it's available to them if they need it. martha: we are looking at these scenes, peter from boston and what we know about the tsarnaev brothers is that russia and the intel services there put these guys on our rey car. they were all over youtube, all over email, they were texting. so why -- that would be precisely the kind of tip-off that you would think would lead them to track these guys through these surveillance systems that we have going, right? i mean to me this makes boston a much bigger failure on the part of our intelligence services, than a i think it's something that we need to that you can about. >> yeah,

public's information back. >> house intelligence chair mike rogers. your response, glenn greenwald? >> first of all, there is this constant claim made about how democrats and republicans are at each other's throat and have radically different views of the world that are irreconcilable. mike rogers is one of the most rightwing members of the house caucus when it comes to national security issues, yet he sounds exactly the same as diane feinstein, of every single democrat in the senate who is speaking about these issues. there is never a division on this questions. they declare anyone an enemy who attempts to bring transparency to what they're doing. secondly, it is laughable about national security. the only things we published were reports that the u.s. government is spying on the terrorists or the chinese government, but on american citizens indiscriminately. tens of millions, even hundreds brigit -- at a time at a time. the only thing that was not apparatusthis spying was directed at the american citizenry and not terrorists. that is the only thing that has been damaged, not the n

to.ou and mike rogers >> there were issues i raised to the chairman as we were going to be exploring many issues. it really dates back to my time as a member of the house intelligence committee where i and wefor four terms have term limits there. the supply chain integrity was an issue that i dealt with there. i saw a very close-up and i think that of the intelligence side, i understand this very well. all the technology side, we want to make sure under our jurisdiction that become 80 -- that the committee what it entailsells and what -- and what is the threat and we identify it. we come up with policies that will deal with that. that ourhat on the day nation was attacked, our telecommunications and everything attached and the integrity was the jewel in the crown of our tour box. that should not be interrupted. that cannot be interrupted. it cannot be sold off. any foreignt to see interest taking that over and getting a hold of our country. this all about national security. saying no foreign interest. do you mean specifically china or are you concerned about -- >> we need to examine

now with the chairman of the house intelligence committee, mike rogers. neez mackinaw city, michigan, this morning. let me just start-- you heard mr. mcdonough talk about aid for the syrian rebels. we don't have any real idea what aid the administration is platooning to send them, other than they're just going to send some. at this point, mr. chairman, do you think congress will go along with the president's request for military aid to the syrian rebels? >> i think it's a request we're pretended tomorrow morning. i don't think that they would. the administration needs to come to congress and make a comprehensive case. what is the plan? where are we going on syria? and what do you want to accomplish? some of the things that they've told us-- told the committee-- the intelligence commit net past doesn't comport with what they're presenting as the direction they want to go. so we've asked them to come up and say if we're going to move in this direction, you're going to have to come up with a more comprehensive plan. i mean, it seems to me they have a great m

chairman of the house intelligence committee, mike rogers. plus analysis from an all-star panel, including barton gellman, who broke the story of those national security leaks in the "washington post." the managing editor of "time" magazine, rick stengel. "wall street journal" columnist peggy noonan. and david corn of "mother jones." it's all ahead because this is "face the nation." captioning sponsored by cbs from cbs news in washington, "face the nation" with bob schieffer. >> schieffer: good morning, again. and we begin this morning with the white house chief of staff, denis mcdonough. mr. mcdun athank you so much. happy father's day's to you, you're a father of... >> three. thanks very much, bob. it's the best job i'll ever have, as the president said today. happy father's day to you as well. >> schieffer: thank you very much. let's start with the news and that is the national security agency disclosures about whether americans' privacy has been invaded. this morning in the "washington post," barton gellman, who will be along later this m

yesterday congressman mike rogers who's the chair of the house intelligence committee put it frankly. he said these programs are necessary and, in fact, are responsible for thwarting a terrorist attack. here it is. >> that within the last few years this program was used to stop a program, excuse me, stop a terrorist attack in the united states. we know that. it's important. it fills in a little seam that we have. >> so respectfully when you say that there's no evidence that they've been successful, you can listen to senator feinstein. you can listen to congressman rogers. these are the folks who are getting the information and they say it's worked it. >> right. you can also listen to senator wyden and senator udall who have said in the last couple of days that even though they sit on the senate intelligence committee, they haven't seen the evidence. you know, the other question is, could we also catch these sorts of terrorists threats through far less intrusive methods? this is really only one tool that the government has. there are many ways for the government to get the same sort of

mention and talked about the cybersecurity supply-chain working group that he appointed you and mike rogers two. what is that, what is its importance? >> guest: i think it has enormous importance and this is an issue that i raised with the chairman, chairman walden as we were going to be exploring many issues and it really dates back to my time as a member of the house intelligence committee where i served for four terms and we have term limits their buts supply chain integrity was an issue that i dealt with their. i saw it very close up and i think on the intelligence side i understand this very well but also the technology side. and so we want to make sure under our jurisdiction as a committee exactly what supply chain integrity and tales, what is a threat to our supply-chain in our country, that we identify that and that within the jurisdiction of the committee that we come up with policies that will deal with that. we know, i know that on that fateful day that our nation was attacked, that our telecommunication system and all the different attacks within the integrity that it had was th

and i think that mike rogers, obviously, now chairman of the house intelligence committee and also a member of energy and commerce and myself having shared both of those backgrounds together and now he's the chairman, i think that we can get some very important work done. >> soft bank, a japanese company, is trying to buy sprint. they just got national security clearance for that. do you think that was the wrong decision? was that something that you're concerned -- >> guest: well, i wasn't part of that clearing, but i'm sure that that, or i would hope -- and there isn't any reason for me to second guess it -- that the vetting was very deep and broad. as it should be. because, again, the national security of our country is not just two words. there are many parts of it, and our telecommunications infrastructure and what it represents is an essential part of that. >> host: how would you describe yours and greg walden's working relationship? >> guest: i think it is very healthy. we genuinely like each other. we have, i think, a real deep respect for each other. he has his job to do. but

mike rogers says it has stopped terrorist attacks, so where do you find the balance and where is yourdividing line and do you think that potentially this has crossed it? >> i think that if there is some suspicion that somebody is involved in terrorism or if there is some connection to an individual, that justifies wiretaps or interfering with their privacy in other ways, we ought the go forward wit. -- forward with it, but to take a lot of people and check everything that they are doing, because you will catch some people who are involved in a nefarious plot is just too broad and overreach. i think that we have some connection and some to suspicion otherwise we can say that any intrusion on all of our privacy is justified for theç times th we will catch the few terrorists, and maybe we will not catch them, because we are bogged down in so much information that has nothing to do with anything that big brother government won't know what is dangerous and what is not. >> i have heard a num bber of members of congress and some for and against this who have said that at least this there sp

mike rogers is coming up. he wants the president to get help with china about hacking.ted by the irs. republicans are in danger of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. dennis and cheryl are up next. ♪ we gave people a sticker and had them show us. we learned a lot of us have known someone who's lived well into their 90s. and that's a great thi. but even though we're living longer, one thing that hasn't changed much is the official retirement age. ♪ the question is how do you make sure you have the money you need to enjoy all of these years. ♪ dennis kneale. dennis: the dow has finished on 20 consecutive tuesdays it is with averting on the late to its 20 first. when an investment adviser who says it is all luck to the fed. cheryl: cyberthreat, mike rogers joining us exclusively to discuss china's president future acting will not be tolerated. dennis: conservative groups targeted by the irs, political analyst says republicans may be in danger of overdoing the outrage and snatching defeat from victory. cheryl: first we have this. it is time to get tough on china. law

you heard mike rogers talking. it was interesting to hear a divide and you heard mike rogers who supports a program like this. on the other end of the spectrum you have someone like michele bachmann who may be more critical of it. so that divide would be interesting. as for snowden, this chat was important but there are a lot of questions out there that he can't answer. you know, why he is in hong kong. all sort of things that have not been answered. i don't think you will get it from him. i think there is a lot of things we don't know yet about this and it will come out. >> there is a more, i think, to come. edward snowden is dead, by the way. had things to say about his son. let me play that clip for you. >> he know is the difference between what is just and unjust and right and wrong. he cares for all people. >> i would like to see ed come home and face this. >> whatever happened to him, i guess part of the question, chris, is what happens next in the big picture. and in this discussion, that the president said

i think mike rogers says yes. chairman of the house committee. >> my gut tells me because of the amount of information that it's certainly likely. let's be clear, if we were to pick up the understanding that somebody that was bad overseas had a certain cell phone number, you could through the data mining, with a warrant, you could find some, you know, who is that person calling in the united states? and in the united states, who's that person calling? >> my question, would this have stopped 9/11? would you be giving flight lessons to a couple guys who say they're german? where are these people from you're giving flight lessons to? i think they're from germany. they're from the middle east, fine. you don't get that stupid answer from a person who cares about looking out for this country. >> whether or not this would have prevented a 9/11 is problematic, to what robert just said. you need a warrant to listen in on the conversation. this doesn't do that. this is just collecting the data. the phone numbers. number "a"

udall and the committee chairs who approved the program, senator dianne feinstein and congressman mike rogers. plus our powerhouse roundtable. that and all of the week's politics, with george will, matthew dowd, paul krugman and congressman keith ellison and greta van susteren from fox news. >>> hello, again. the secret struggle to balance national security and individual liberty broke out into the open this week after a series of blockbuster revelations starting in "the guardian" newspaper. we learned that the government has the capacity to track virtually every american's phone call and scoop up impossibly vast quantities of data across the internet. our first guest is glenn greenwald. thank you for joining us today, mr. greenwald. you broke a story yesterday. showing the scale of the data collection. they collected 97 billion pieces of data, almost all from outside the u.s. what's the key finding here? >> there are two key findings. one is that there are members of the congress who have responsibility for oversight for checking the people who run this vast secret apparatus to make sure the

republican congressman from michigan, the chair of the intelligence committee, mike rogers. and the democratic congresswoman from california, loretta sanchez. welcome to all of you. i want to go through some of the hot topics on capitol hill and move through some of these things. but i've got to start here with this breaking news. let me go with you, chairman rogers. reaction to what you've heard and to the developments this morning. >> well, it's concerning. obviously, what appears to be as of today that he is flying -- will catch another flight from moscow, many believe to cuba. we know there is air traffic from moscow to cuba, then on to venezuela. and when you look at it, ef ove one of those nations is hostile to the united states. if he could go to north korea and iran he could round out his government oppression tour by snowden. so you think about what he says he wants and what his actions are, it defies logic. he has taken information that does not belong to him, it belongs to the people of the united states. he has jeopardized our national security. i disagree with t

we'll ask the chairman of the house intelligence committee, michigan congressman mike rogers, about that. and the expected nomination of former bush administration official jim coemy as director of the fbi. >>> also, the president back to business and tries to shake off scandal. will the irs investigations undermine work on job creation and immigration reform? with us democratic senator from new york, chuck schumer. >>> later, our political round table. what michele bachmann's exit means for the tea party. does the president have an economic plan for the second term? and a discussion of the new study this week that shows more and more women are the primary breadwinners in american families. >>> good sunday morning. news this weekend foreshadowing another bad week ahead for the irs. as an inspector general report is expected to reveal lavish and wasteful spending at irs conferences around the country. we want to start with another political distraction for the obama administration. the attorney general eric holder under fire for investigationing leaks to the news media. he pledged to reas

the chairman of the house intelligence committee, republican congressman mike rogers of michigan. then our political roundtable on obama's rough patch. critical reviews of his trip to the g-8. and his efforts on syria. falling approval ratings. is his second term slipping away. >> announcer: from nbc news in washington, the world's longest-running television program, this is "meet the press." >>> good sunday morning. we've got breaking news we're following this morning. nsa leaker edward snowden is on the move. he has left hong kong, boarded a commercial flight to moscow a few hours ago. final destination unknown. but he is expected to land in moscow in just a few minutes. the hong kong government issued a defiant statement claiming the u.s. extradition request did not fully comply with hong kong law. and wikileaks posted a statement, bound for a democratic nation via safe route for the purposes of asylum. is being escorted by diplomats and legal advisers from wikileaks. that organization responsible for other high-profile leaks of classified information. all of this always the u.

here's a little bit more of what mark udall and mike rogers had to say on abc this morning.ake a listen. >> when you make calls, where you make calls to, who you're talking to, i think that's private information. i think if the government's gathering that, the american people ought to know it. we ought to have a discussion about it. frankly, i think we ought to reopen the patriot act and put some limits on the amount of data that the national security administration is collecting. >> the national security administration is not listening to america's phone calls and it is not reading americans' e-mails. none of the programs allow that. the patriot act, part of the 702, says it is expressly prohibited by law that you can read and wholly surveill domestic e-mail in the united states. >> reporter: senator dianne feinstein said she would be willing to open up hearings on this to have more oversight on the hill. president obama, of course, out here traveling in southern california. he's just wrapping up a two-day summit with china's president, xi jinping. they discussed a number o

in fact mike rogers was blunt.republican critic of the president saying this program in recent years -- didn't get specific how long ago but in recent 'ers thisç surveillance program stopped a terror attack, neil. >> neil: almost like it's become -- a lot of these privacy issues and invasion and might be no connection to the president, no connection to the whiteç house, but it does raise more and more doubts as to how much they are protecting our liberties and our privacy because it seems day after day we get more indications that, at best they are doing aç pretty poor job of policing. >> well, neil, you're right in the sense that today white house officials were insisting it's not another controversy that's going to distract the pratt and unrelated to the irs issue and the other conservatives. but in fact you're correct in saying when you look at the nbc "wall street journal" poll the president's credibility has been taking a hit and americans areç raising questions about whether the government'm is overreach

mike rogers -- too much and overclassified, i think.ho heads the intel committee that th program has disrupted major domestic terror attacks. i wonder if the information should be declassified so americans can learn how successful or not it is. if they are able to understand it in the proper context, what it has accomplished maybe they would be more willing to accept it? >> sure. let's presume a dozen attacks have been thwarted. you would think with the passage of time can be dealt with detail and those details may be helpful in building support for the program. if the details are not forthcoming there will be question, are you blowing it up too much. would conventional methods helped out the thwarted go of terror plot anyway. >> gregg: good point. thanks. >> dick cheney has plenty to say. he will be krigs wallace guest tomorrow. catch it right here at 2:00 p.m. and again at 6:00 p.m. eastern time. check for show times on your local fox station. >> heather: investigators examining twisted piles of debris trying to figure out what caused

mike rogers who i will to in just a moment. first here is katherine with the lo latest on this case. >> reporter: asked whether snowden was a spy the house intelligence committee leership left the door open. >> we will make sure there is a thorough scrub of what his china connections are. >> it seems unusual he would be in china, giving press conferences to chinese media. >> reporter: the white house is backing up chief alexander. >> these programs authorized by congress, overseen by congress and federal judges, overseen with internal checks and balances within the executive branch were found to be directly effective in thwarting terrorist attacks. >>> there are persistent questions on whether programs or whether the nsa programs confirmed leads generated by foreign intelligence services. after alexander testified thursday democratic senators early critics of the nsa program responded we have not yet seen evidence showing that the drag net collection of american phone records has produced any uniquely valuable intelligence. all

listen to mike rogers. >> within the past few years this program was used to stop a program -- excusea terrorist attack in the united states. we know that. it's -- it's important. it fills in a little seam that we have, and it's used to make sure that there is not an international nexus to any terrorism event that they may believe is ongoing in the united states. so in that regard, it is a very valuable thing. >> all right. julie, they want specifics, though, the critics of the program, on the left or right, they say it's nice for mike rogers, dianne feinstein or president obama to say these sorts of things, that these programs are essential to prevent terrorist attacks, but they want specifics. should the american public know what's going on? >> well, certainly i think we've got to give a lot of weight to those in congress that have looked at this and thought about this and those in the executive branch that are tasked with protecting our country. at the same time, i think it is appropriate to have some transparency for the most transparent administration ever to give some transparen

a short time ago we got this from congressman mike rogers, the chair of the house intelligence committee. he tells us that this phone data, this meta data program was used to thwart a planned terror attack on the homeland within this past year. he went on to say he hopes to declassify some of the details to further the point of why this might be necessary. but, still, a lot of folks are very upset about this. joining me now from dallas, ben ferguson, host of the ben ferguson radio talk show. he is a conservative. and from washington we have julie myers wood, former assistant secretary of homeland security. she served in the bush administration. so, ben and julie, welcome. >> thank you. >> thanks for having us. >> before we get going, let me show you this one thing. this is what al gore said. he tweeted about this. this is his tweet about the surveillance program. obscenely outrageous, he says. is it me or is it secret blanket surveillance obscenely outrageous. ben, i want to begin with you. you are a conservative who we love to have on this show. am i hearing this correctly, you're agree

i asked the house intelligence committee chairman mike rogers how serious a problem this is. >> it iss. this is something the intelligence committees have seen for awhile. our intelligence community has been trying to get ahead of for awhile. the viciousness and just the volume of attacks, not only by the chinese but russians and others trying to get the blueprints of our most sensitive material is just breathtaking, and they're getting better. so their capability for getting into systems and getting that kind of information, not just the government networks, also the supply chain. anybody that's connected to any of our defense industry is really vulnerable to this type of attack. >> can you confirm just "the washington post" story it was chinese military hackers if you will that stole all of this material? >> i can't confirm what they've gotten, but i can tell you it was the chinese military and they have been aggressively pursuing it, and i will tell you this, for folks at home, what does this mean to me, we in some cases have to go back for any material that may have been stolen as

you heard from dianne feinstein, mike rogers, and we haven't heard from president obama.son he retained these programs, some would argue he expanded them, others say he kept them in their same form. but if the president of the united states believes they're effective enough to keep them, he needs to be the one leading that argument and giving us i think some specifics. there's been some debate. >> is there a sense on the hill he is not going to? >> i think there's concern on capitol hill and in the intelligence community that the president has not been stepping forward. if you look at jay carney's press briefing yesterday, for instance, as a leading indicator where the administration is, i think there's frustration among officials who say the president asked us to keep this program, he believes it is effective, he's getting massive amounts of information in particular from this program they're talking about as prism, 702 program, and he is not leading the defense, where others lead the defense in a way that persuade the american people. the poll numbers aren't surprising,

house intelligence committee chairman mike rogers said every flavor of terrorist is operating in syria right now. >> jon: every flavor! ( laughter ) jur rocky roadside bomb, there. your chubby hezbollah. ( laughter ) and, of course, everyone's favorite, vanil-la-la-la-la! ( applause ) fortunately-- ( laughter ) that's going to take some days to come back. fortunately, there's one man out there who's got an easy answer. >> how do you prevent weapons from falling into their hands? >> well, by identifying those people who are on our side. we can identify who these people are. we can help the right people. >> jon: save us, obe-grump-kanobe. ( laughter ) you're our only hope. but can he? >> overseas tonight way surprise visit to syria tonight senator john mccain spending thi spendis memorial day meeting with the rebel fighters in syria, the ones trying to bring down president assad. >> jon: that means it's time for another episode of-- ( cheers and applause ) >> jon: there's no way, no way that mccain makes it out of there alive this time, or does he? >> he went way hand full of american se

many political figures disagree with senator paul, including mike rogers, congressman, fellow republican, former fbi special agent and chairman of the house committee. chairman rogers says this. >> the national security agency is not listening to american's phone calls and they're not reading american's e-mails. none of these programs allow that. the patriot act says it's expressly prohibitedly law that you can read and wholly surveil domestic e-mail traffic in the united states. >> question, who wins on this issue, senator paul or representative rogers? i ask you. >> i think senator paul runs this one. people are covering up their computer cameras right now. that clip you showed, talk about an unreasonable search. you're in your house and looking at the computer, and the government can be watching you. they can tap in and look at your e-mails, listen to your phone calls. by definition, that's unreasonable. >> the whole idea of feeling secure and using your computer when you're in your home is the heart of the issue. >> they can go right in your computer and see what's there? >> that's w

>> mike rogers, the house intelligence chairman said it had stopped. new we don't know that specifically but he's honest in my experience. remember, the backlash isn't because he had these other abuses. president himself has continued bush policies while at the same time criticizing them. he said it is important to revoke the authority that the president got after 9/11 because that war is winding down. we are asking congress to do so. these are attacking programs that are working. you briefly joe, this does not worry you? >> i don't think so. you are starting to see a break on the right. but the merit to this program that congress knows about and classified briefings will sustain it. >> when we come back another bad week for the irs as congress closes in on the agency's lavish spending. to fly home for the big family reunion. you must be garth's father? hello. mother. mother! traveling is easy with the venture card because you can fly airline anytime. two words. double miles! this guy can act. wanna play dodge rock? oh, you guys! and with double miles

. >> and this morning after you were on "this week," mike rogers said the following. gree greenwald says he's an sxerpts. he doesn't have a clue how this thing works. your reaction to both criticisms. >> well, first of all, to the extent that politicians like republican mike rogers are running around boasting that only they know but not the rest of us know about what the u.s. government is doing in terms of how it is spying on its own citizens, that to me is exactly the reason why transparency is so strilgts here. we shouldn't have a massive spying apparatus being constructed completely beyond democratic accountability and done in the dark. and that's why i think it's so vital to shine light on what it is the government is doing. as for the statements of clapper, what i would say is this. in every single case over the last four or five decades whenever reporters expose the secret conduct of government officials, they use the same play book. they try to scare americans into believing that they should be trusted to exercise powers. and then they attack the journalists.

we do hear these things from people like mike rogers where they say, trust us.ut out about this, the easier it will be for terrorists to try to find other methods. or trust us, this thwarted plot. until we have some evidence on both those fronts, it is hard to accurately evaluate those programs. >> i want to ask you about our final topic. about cbs reporter cheryl atkinson and cbs has announced her computer, as she alleged a while back, they now have evidence to show it was hacked. they don't know who. >> it was around the time she was reporting on benghazi. she and this network were the only ones even interested in the sub. i have no idea who is behind this. i'm generally not a conspiracy theorist but i'm not sure there are a lot of other interested parties here. and given the record of our own attorney general and truth telling and other people in the administration including the press secretary, i'm not sure i believe anything that i'll hear in explaining. what we heard from doj, to our knowledge we did not go into her computer. well, let's get the knowledge.

>> well, it's fascinating that the most right wing members of the congress like mike rogers and lindsey graham have become the administration's most vocal defenders. the obama administration's most vocal defenders because it's a right wing mentality that says we should just trust the government to know everything about us in the name of security. the tactic you are seeing there which is increasingly being exposed as frivolous and manipulative is that every time the u.s. government gets caught doing anything that they shouldn't be doing or that people are stunned to learn that they're doing, the playbook they use over and over and that they have used over and over for the last decade is to simply scream terrorist or terrorism over and over in the hope that they will put americans into enough fear that they'll simply acquiesce to whatever the government is doing. i think it's critically important that americans understand that this quote unquote threat is one that is less likely to kill them than things like a lightning strike or bathtub accident. and that it's time to stop allowing the u

the house and senate intelligence committee including senators dianne feinstein and congressman mike rogers. that's coming up later this morning on "this week." >> speaking of wild, a lot of other news breaking overnight, so let's go to resident wild man, ron claiborne. >> thank you very much. >> good morning, dan, bianna. good morning, everyone. we begin with the outrage of philadelphia mayor demanding severe punishment for the heavy equipment operator charged in that deadly building collapse a couple days ago. the suspect, 42-year-old sean benschop turned himself in to police on saturday. he was allegedly high on marijuana and codeine when the crane fell. six people were killed and 13 were injured. mayor michael nutter said that he's hoping for the harshest levels of charges to be brought against him and in his words, that he be punished accordingly. >>> and residents of tornado-ravaged of moore, oklahoma, have a new problem on their hands, looters. police say people from as far away as new york state and virginia -- listen to this one -- have been coming to moore to steal jewelry and oth

mike rogers believes that the public will come to support the nsa. former cia director michael haeden said more transparency by the government intelligence agencies come with a price. >> i was of the belief i'll have to shave points off of operational effectiveness. that we had the comfort of the american population concerning what it was we were doing. i think it's living in this kind of democracy we'll have to be a little bit less effective in order to be a little bit more transparent to do anything to defend the public. >>> the guardian, the british government hacked into former diplomat diplomats phones and e-mails when they held economic summits. >>> a candidate seen as a moderate at least compared to the rest of the field will replace mahmoud ahmadinejad. rohani beat a crowded group of candidates. optimism is guarded given the continued dominance of the ayatollah. >>> the newly elected president was dubbed the moderate. >>> protests turned violent once again over the weekend when police forced demonstrators from a park, police cleared a park in

. >> we'll get the latest from the chairman of the house intelligence committee, mike rogers. >>> then saving syria. convinced the assad government has used chemical weapons, a reluctant president obama changes course and agrees to send military aid to besieged rebels. >> every bone in my body knows that simply providing weapons will not change the battlefield equation. >> the chairman of the senate foreign relations committee, democrat robert menendez, on whether the president has come to the table too late with too little. >>> plus all world's a stage. christie, clinton, rubio, paul, and bush -- the 2016ers in the spotlight. our free wheeling panel offers an early review. >>> and then a father's day special. >> i was definitely going to be my father's all-american linebacker. >> a bipartisan salute to dad. i'm candy crowley, and this is "state of the union." >>> under fire for two weeks now. the nsa is defending their data collection programs. in a three-page document sent to congress and obtained by cnn, the spy agency argues that in recent years the programs have disrupted dozens o

here is mike rogers. >> within the last few years this program was used to stop a program.use me. stop a terrorist attack in the united states. we know that. >> bill: do we know that? and they always say this. right? well, you may not like this but -- and senator feinstein said the same thing, multiple terrorist attacks in the united states have been stopped by their collecting this data. >> right. they always say that. the key is whether it's something that was instrumental to catching that terrorist or whether it was we have this pool of data. you are doing a terrorism investigation because some insider came forward or some informant ratted the person out. we might as well touch this database so we can claim success because inside the government agencies, everybody has a program, wants to be successful. >> yeah. >> when they find out that some case is going towards good conclusion. they say, we have this data. why don't you take it? okay. fine. we'll take it. then we can say we were part of that program. but, also, this cloak of secrecy allows a lot of -- let's sait not q

michigan republican mike rogers is chairman of the house intelligence committee. >> it's legal. i think it comports with the constitution. i believe. and i think it does protect and save american lives. >> reporter: intelligence officials now claim surveillance programs have helped thwart dozens of potential terrorist acts but privacy acts say they're scooping up far more information than they need do the job. chep read, cbs news, the white house. >>> the officials from obama and the former george w. bush administration say they have been essential in thwarting plots. on sunday dick cheney described snowden as a traitor. he said the one question that needs to be answered is if he's maybe a spy for china. >> i'm deeply suspicious because he went to china. that's not place where you ordinarily want to go if you're interested in freedom and liberty and so fort. so it raises a question if he had a connection before he did this. >> snowden is still believed to be in hong kong. >>> labor groups in turkey are called for strikes. last night police used tear gas and water cannons against

. >> very quickly here, mike rogers talked about this data maybe isn't such a big deal. how big is the damage. >> the phone records searching and the internet. it's important. this is one of few ways we have to keep tabs on terrorists. the specific damage we'll have to see, it's clear that things were prevented. >> richard, we'll see you a little bit later on "morning joe." when we see to guardian reporter glenn greenwald who broke the story. >>> now to a developing story overnight taliban forces attacking the airport in kabul, afghanistan, explosions were heard around the field used by nato forces. the main target of the attacks are americans. ten suicide attackers reached the building under construction. the fight between insurgents and security personnel lasted for hours but we don't yet have word on any casualties. >>> former south african president nelson mandela is said to be in serious condition as he battles a lung infection this morning, hospitalized in pretoria on saturday, he's in and out of hospitals at least four times since the month of december, he contrac

officials and people we have heard this from congressman mike rogers who heads the intel committee in the house that they are concerned that he was not working alone and that he may, in fact, have some connections to the chinese government, may have been spying for a foreign enemy. that's why you might be seeing these espionage charges. >> shepard: judge, it was that very chairman mike rogers who was questioning the government witness about exactly what these -- this information that they have derived from terrorist sources, exactly what they have been able to liberal. so far the examples they have put up there, including this potential plot to bomb the new york stock exchange they don't seem credible. >> government's argument thus far to the congressional committees before whom very high ranking government officials have testified has turned out to be weak and contradicted by some of the government's own evidence. admiral clapper, the director of national intelligence two months ago told the senator widen, that the government was not, in fact, gathering large amounts of information a