after that, we didn't see stephen miller. he look on a behind the scenes role for several months until this last week. >> athena jones, thank you so much. stephen miller made headlines earlier this week when he clashed with cnn's jim acosta there in the white house press room. it happened during a briefing on the president's new legal immigration plan. miller did not like acosta bringing up the famous poem, in part, on the statue of liberty's pedest pedestal. >> i don't want to get off into a thing about history here, but the statue of liberty is a symbol of liberty and lighting the world. american liberty lighting the world. the poem you're referring to was added later and is not part of the original statue of liberty. more fundamentally -- >> you're saying that does not represent where the country is -- >> i'm saying the notion that the -- >> at the -- >> here -- >> it sounds like -- >> jim, i'll ask you a question. >> sounds like a revisionism. >> jim, let me ask you a question. >> the statue of liberty is hope for the wor

this is stephen miller's response. mr.iller: the statue of liberty is a symbol of inviting the world. the poem you are referring to was added later. amy: cnn's jim acosta went on to press stephen miller over president trump's push to admit only english-speaking immigrants. miller shot back, accusing acosta of "cosmopolitan bias". the pair sparred for several minutes. jim acosta: you are trying to engineer the flow of people into the country. mr. miller: that is one of the most outrageous, foolish things you have ever said. the notion that you think this is a racist bill is so wrong g d so insnsulting. amy: we'll have more on president trump's immigration push later in the broadcast. a federal appeals court has ruled a u.s. citizen in prison by u.s. immigration officials for nearly three a half years can not collect damages awarded by a lower court. -- watson was 23 years old when i.c.e. agents took him into custody. watson insisted for over three years he was in fact a u.s. citizen, but failed to win untile from i.c.e. nov

and miller does his best. he actually feels like he knows what he's doing, and he knows he's just interpreted the privileges or immunities clause down to nearly nothingness. so he has this pass of opinion where he's a little ashamed of this. they're typically things that are probably already protected by the provisions of the bill of rights. you have the national privilege to go into congress and have your agreements heard, and that's what the petition probably says. so it's really difficult to identify things that he has preserved. and that's why i think most legal scholars when they look at this decision, you just read the privileges or immunities clause out-of-the constitution of the united states. >> so since this miller decision or the miller -- sorry, lost the word -- miller's argument essentially silenced the 14th amendment and the privilege of immunities clause of it, there are signs today the high court may be ready to reinvigorate the clause. here is a clip of retired justice stevens on the privilege

trump reportedly loved that back and forth between miller and jim acosta.is the kind of thing president trump wants to see more of. he wants to see bitter positions being defended on television. and by the way, that's what he wanted from scaramucci as well. it's just scaramucci didn't last very long. so the idea of miller being promoted is along the same lines that the president wants forceful advocates on television defending his administration. >> and defending the administration and defending president trump is something that anthony scaramucci did and apparently the white house did like that, the president particularly liked it, but then didn't like it ten days later to the degree of him no longer having that job. but perhaps there's a stylistic difference here of superstorm sandy fn mill -- stephen miller. the white house, the president are saying they certainly like the way he handled himself before the white house press corps on that day. what are the qualities you suppose that the white house is embracing about stephen miller if, indeed, he is offer

studying moreover, miller was a physician by training. and hop had spent years studying the causes and treatment of cholera. miller's long residence in kia cook, iowa had given him firsthand knowledge of pigs and slaughtering and he was ahead of his time in recognizing the connection between cholera and fouled water. so his support for the slaughter house law also reflected his deep interest in the sanitation movement. when miller's public health background and his whigish? i for public works programs are gipd with his public trt in reconstruction, his opinion can be viewed favorably within the narrative of race. he maintains that "had the court ruled against the slaughter house raw law, it would have supported the reconstruction legislature's critic who's alleged blacks and yankees were too ignorant or corrupt to adopt legislation that could pass constitutional muster. so like the narrative of public health, the narrative of race can be said to cut in favor of the majority's decision in slaughter house. however, near as i can tell, ross,

miller is absolutely furious.he has to go back to camp, get permission to go back the next morning to bury his child. we learned this story because he filed a formal complaint with the army saying like women on the home front, we had a deal. i would serve, you would provide for my family. this was the understanding and the horrible tragedy of joseph miller is two things. number one, he never gets the opportunity to fight for his own freedom, this is in the fall of 1864 and spring of 1865 his wife has died and joseph miller, all died from disease which is part of also being forced into the sections of camp that were very unhealthy, very little medical care provided. the other tragedy as part of this book gets covered in all the newspapers including some abolitionists, we told you you don't have to worry about all these free slaves coming north and taking jobs. they will stay down south so don't worry. we can free slaves without anything inconveniencing our own bigotry, our own beliefs. it was this powerful, painful

if you have with stephen miller someone who is able to stay on his message.ot cross over into other fields, i suspect kelly wouldn't have as much of a problem with it. as much as kelly wants to bring a sense of direction and leadership and unity to the white house. he respects the klain of command and respected trump will have a major impact on the kind of people leading his various arms of government. julie: we heard that steve bannon had a lot to say and had huge influence over the president on certain decisions. that was a big thing for steve bannon. he did push the president along. it seems steve bannon, trump's chief strategist is a fan of the idea of miller taking that role. i wonder if the opinions will be trumped by general kelly and how much steve bannon's opinions will play a role in filling the position? >> i think the issue will be more severe in the issues that might exist with stephen miller. i think it's probably the foreign policy dynamic. the next big tension in the white house is between the next foreign policy advisor and bannon. if you hav

miller was take questions from reporters but when miller called on cnn correspondent jim acosta, hewhat you are proposing doesn't seem like it's in keeping with american tradition. >> do you at cnn not know the difference between green card policy and immigration? >> he came before the cuban missile crisis and obtained a green card. you are trying to engineer the ethnic and racial flow of people into this country. >> that's one of the most of insulting, ignorant and foolish things you have ever yesterday. the notion that you think this is a racist bill and so wrong and so insulting. howie: joining me, amy holmes, and kathy areu. was jim acosta acting like a journalist? amy: it's my understanding you are there to collect information, not a debate club. i think he should be going to other sources to challenge the policy. it was painful to watch. i know a lot of conservatives enjoyed stephen miller school mr. acosta. from my point of view i would like to have seen it not get so personal and move on. howie: cathy what did you make of that performance? cathy: he didn't follow the rules o

miller later. and about mr. miller's boss, let's switch to numbers. donald trump's approval rating hit a new low according to new polling by quinnipiac. it found 33% of americans now approve of the job he's doing. 61% disapprove. on the upside first, 55% of americans think trump is intelligent. 57% think he's a strong person. but then there's this as they say. 54% of respondents are embarrassed he's the president. 59% say he does not care about average americans. 62% say he's not honest. 63% say he doesn't share their values. another 63% say he does not have good leadership skills. and 71% say he is not levelheaded. there's more. seven in ten americans say the president should stop tweeting. most americans believe the president has tried to either derail or obstruct the russia investigation. most americans but not most republicans believe russia hacked our election. all of this is happening, let's not forget, against the very real world backdrop of north korea. testing intercontinental ballistic missiles and at the same time testing the patience of th

and why did stephen miller get so mad at you? >> i don't think miller got mad.en miller got air time. and i think he enjoyed it immen immensely. he was not getting off that stage. sarah huckabee sanders was standing around long enough to have charged him rent. >> i thought she'd hook him after a while. he was the guy who kept going and going. it wasn't going well but he kept going anyway. >> it was scaramucciesque. >> right. it was in the mold of scaramucci. you're right. >> that's right. i mean, interesting contrast in the kinds of performances that both of those guys gave. look, all i was trying to get out of stephen who was personalizing stuff and talking about common sense and trying to pivot on it was anybody can call anything common sense, right? what i was trying to get at is you're talking about a new policy, what he claims is a radical policy change. it's not very clear whether or not any of these changes would be all that radical. we haven't seen details. but the point i was making was we didn't see a fact sheet telling us what the problem was. identif

miller's absolutely furious. he has to go back to camp, get permission to go back the next morning to bear his child. we learn this story because he files a formal complaint with the army. we had a deal, i would serve and you and provide for my family. this would be the understanding. number one he never gets the opportunity for his family. this happened late fall or early winter 64. by the spring of 65 his wife have died. and joseph miller has died from disease. which is part of also being forced into the section of cams that are often unhealthy with little medical care provided. the other tragedy is what i wanted the story as part of the bug including by some abolitionists see we told you you don't have to worry about all of these coming north and taking jobs. this is because they can handle the cold. they will stay down south. don't worry, we can free slaves without anything inconveniencing our own bigotry, only. so, it was this powerful, painful story that i knew resonated with students to see how even to see

>> we keep hearing miller's name.andrea, because there are so few names who are being bandied about as actual possibilities to come in as communications director. if you think about it, back to the transition, jason miller, the republican operative, was supposed to be communications director. he dropped out. fell to sean spicer. then it went to michael dub key, who resigned and then back to spicer and briefly to anthony scaramucci. and so it's been a tumultuous position, to say the least. and stephen miller has stepped up as someone, i'm told, internally, who could have that -- those possibilities be part of his portfolio. but he wouldn't be in a sense taking that job just to take that job. he would take on the responsibility. >> and jennifer, we've seen a big change now as john kelly has taken over as you have reported. but, again, the president is still his own communications director. >> right. although costa is right. they really do like the idea of stephen miller leading communications. several administration off

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howie: stephen miller was take questions from reporters but when miller called on cnn correspondent jimt you are proposing doesn't seem >> the statue of liberty says givee your tired, your poor, your huddled masses. >> d do you not know theff difference between green card policy? >> he came to this country in 1962 right before the cuban missile crisis and obtained a green card. you're trying to engineer thesi racial and ethnic flow of peopla into this country. >> t jim, that is one of the mot outrageous, insulting and foolish things you've ever said, and for you that's still -- the notion that you think this is a racist bill is so wrong and so insulting. insulting. howie: joining me, amy holmes, and kathy areu. was jim acosta acting like a journalist? amy: it's my understanding you are there to collect information, not a debate club. i think he should be going to other sources to challenge the policy. it was painful to watch. i know a lot of conservatives enjoyed stephen miller school mr. acosta. from my point of view i would like to have seen it not get so personal and move on. howie:

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miller. have pauly shore mocking this contentious exchange a couple days ago between miller and our very own correspondent jim acosta from the white house briefing last week. check it out. >> the statue of liberty says, give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses. >> the poem you're referring to is not part of the original statue of liberty, it was added later. the whole reason we put the statue of liberty here is to show the rest of the world here in america, we got some beautiful babes. and the other thing you might not know, jim, she's not holding a book, she's holding an ipad. look me directly in my forehead and tell me i'm not lying. >> this whole notion they have to learn english before they get into the united states. >> they already know english, jim. like it or not, the apres are here. they speak our language and they have left lady liberty to rot in ruin. there is nothing we can do about it. >> pauly shore, i'm giggling a little bit. i've watched you for years on mtv. i never

we talked about steven miller.on't know, i'm just trying to figure out who might make a good -- make that -- who might do well. >> jason miller seems to be free after all of the controversy of him having a lover child with a former mp >> right. >> right. >> of course no one has actually thought about bringing sean spicer back because he is a free man. why would you. >> he doesn't want that. >> he probably doesn't want that. >> so, here's an idea. because i think a lot of people when you think about having that communications role you want to have somebody who knows how to deal with the press, who can channel the message out to the media and obviously over the media filter to the public as well so do you go with somebody like and i've heard names in the past like laura ingram special communicators who have a point of view and have a bullet in audience or do you go for a more wonkier type and leave the public roles to sara sanders. >> you don't want to go with wonky at least with this administration. seems to be out

matt miller in stuttgart. what are we watching? president trump is expected to kick off his campaign to overhaul u.s. tax policy in a big speech in missouri later today. will the markets be listening? as harvey hits again, traders are bracing for more shutdowns. how high will gasoline prices go in the united states? and talking of fuel, the diesel dilemma. no decision yet on offering a diesel version of the new cayenne suv. more throughout the show. matt miller, over to you. thanks very much. 30 minutes until the open of cash trading. i am in stuttgart at the porsche museum to give you more on the easel industry story which has been a massive one in germany. a big election issue just four weeks to go until germany votes

maybe miller won't have the director title. may be part of that department trying to get the president's message out and defend the president on tv. there's a lot of balls in the air right now for president trump with regards to his communications director. position and to the other jobs that surround it. there was another departure, one of the assistants left the office. sarah huckabee sanders is brand-new as press secretary. there is a lot unknown about how the president is going to be trying to communicate his message in the future. of course, he believes he is his own best spokesman. in many cases, he is. stephen miller is an immigration hard liner. he's been an ally of steve bannon. an ally of jeff sessions. he is someone who, at least in the briefing we saw this week, is combative, aggressive. not just with jim acosta but other reporters. if that is the direction trump wants to go in, continue in that direction, miller is a logical fit. john kelly might want to go in a different direction. there's been talk about john kel

i doubt cnn is going to run the exchange with stephen miller today. speak out they may run an edited version, but my guess it isn't the one where stephen miller puts him in his place. >> sean: he really does. at any point do you get frustrated. i have been in talk radio for 30 years, and there are times i met some people trying to get under your skin, i have built up immunities do you ever find yourself getting frustrated up there? >> every once in a while, of course there is a certain level of frustration. look, i know the american people, they did a poll not too long ago, they care about health care, they care about jobs, the economy, immigration. they don't care about russia. they don't care about who has a job in the white house. they care about who has a job at their house. those are the issues they were like for us to be able to talk about, and fortunately, we have a roomful of people that refuses to ask questions that america cares about. it is more about tv star moment, more about sound bites for evening news, and i think that is a sad disserv

what's the offense of stephen miller?worked for jeff sessions, his chief spokesman. >> and also worked with white supremacists and you know it. >> no. >> don't lie. >> you're wrong. i'm not lying. you're saying outrageousthings. >> he has worked for white supremacists. >> your reaction to what brian just said? >> how do you -- how do you excuse what bannon has to say about jews? lied like to hear that, brian. >> you know that breitbart is run by, two jewish editors over there. if he's such an anti-semite. >> nobody is going to hear you. one at a time. brian, your answer. >> isn't. said an awful thing he regrets now part of his divorce proceeding but hired two jewish individuals to run breitbart. he doesn't seem that anti-semitic to me. >> governor? >> that's like saying people in the south had black slaves, therefore weren't anti-black. don't be ridiculous. >> you called him a nazi. that's outrageous. >> he fits the description, i think he fits the description. >> i think clearly i don't know miller or ban cnon but i thin

president trump's senior policy advisor stephen miller speaking on wednesday about trump's push to admitnglish-speaking immigrants after cnn's jim acosta asked about the iconic poem at the base of the statue of liberty, which reads, "give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to speak free." today we will speak with emily lazarus and her biographer about why she wrote the poem and how it became one of the most iconic poems about the united states and why she has long been a target of white nationalists. then as president trump embraces a proposal to cut the number of immigrants allowed in the u.s. by half in what would be the biggest overhaul and immigration line half a century, we will speak to a two-time emmy-winning journalist about trump's newly appointed chief of staff, the retired general, john kelly, former head of the department of homeland security. >> if you have some of with a military approach and the background is a general trying to mitigate an influx of people who are poor and turning it into a war, that seems to be what we have right now. i have always ma

trump aide steven miller says cnn's jim acosta has it.briefing was the media heavyweight battle of the week. >> this whole notion that they have to learn english before they get to the united states, are we just going to bring in people from great britain and australia? >> jim, i am shocked at your statement that you think that only people from great britain and australia would know english. it reveals your cosmopolitan bias to a shocking degree that in your mind -- no, this is an amazing -- this is an amazing moment. i just want to say -- >> you're trying to engineer the racial and ethnic flow of feel in this country. >> that is one of the most outrageous, ignorant, insulting and foolish things you've ever said. >> back with me now, political analyst jeff greenfield. jeff, you wrote about miller's use of cosmopolitan earlier this week. why is that disturbing to people who have the historical ramifications of it? >> its history goes back to stalin, hitler, moot lussolini it to suggest disloyalty. in the column that i wrote, one mistake th

you still have stephen miller, who is his own entity now. he was somewhat in line with bannon, they had a lot of the same views and they worked together on a lot of the same things. but yeah, i think general kelly is taking the long view and is playing the long game with personnel. it will take a long time. you also have inner circle folks, the acting committee cases director, even though she is 28 years old and kind of still a newcomer, she could be the permanent vacation director permanentthe communications director and she has a straight line to the president. he thinks highly of her. kellyanne conway is still there. i think kelly is trying to bring in some of his own folks, but it is the boss's cal interestingl. >> interesting timing of this. with john mccain -- the type of event that would be right up steve bannon's ally. ie ley. john: i am sure mr. bannon has been involved in the preplanning of the event, talking points, ideas that have crossed the president and he is thinking about what to say. but remember, stephen miller is still in

it was not expected that miller would come out. we have not seen much of him since january much earlier in the administration when he was out talking quite frequently about the so-called travel ban that the president had been proposing. he has been behind closed doors for a while after that. now coming back out to talk about this policy. and i would say that the bottom line is this, the president might support this policy, and he might be having a couple of senators here to talk about it. there is very little appetite, ali, in congress to actually have this become the law of the land. and there is not a clear response from the white house as to how they plab to get some political support behind this other than saying the american people eventually will like it and that will put some pressure on lawmakers to do something about it. didn't shut the had door to compromise, but it's unlikely that the white house will make the kinds of changes that lawmakers would need to see in order to back something like this. and i asked steven mille

the president is fond of miller.opening act for many campaign rallies where he would deliver fiery denunciations of hillary clinton and he's shaped a lot of policy within the white house. he's a protege of jeff sessions who is sort of back in the president's good graces again. while he may not be necessarily the next communications director, let's remember the president has cycled through three of those already, at the very least he going to ply play -- play a larger role. but they liked this, they liked this fight. i don't think it's a coincidence that the two media outlets he picked on last week was "newsweek" and cnn. >> kellyanne conway has some of the responsibilities, hope hicks has some of the responsibilities, before he resigned sean spicer was doing some of that work and that stephen miller has some of that work. but what it tell us about donald trump if this is the man he wants to shape his message? because the message seems to be locked and loaded with that 33% of americans that will be with him no matter

the term debt miller used about the threat was "clandestine communist penetration." this might be hard to identify. other american states might not feel the way the united states felt about what was happening. but what happens then? miller did not inform us what would happen. kennan offered some suggestions, you might remember. moving on very quickly. very quickly. just imagine quickly, nsc 562, which was titled "united states as he toured military collaboration." another way the united states could protect its influence was through military assistance, and that is what nsc 562 attempted to define, a way for the american military to become involved in the military is establishments of the latin american republics. the united states wanted to avoid ever again having to divert its resources to defend latin america as it did in world war ii. the assistance described was in four areas, military training and that train missions in latin american countries, training for latin american officers in the united states, arrangements for the joint planning of hemispheric defense

let's talk about stephen miller. miller may be headed for a more visible role. what are you hearing? >> hi, ana. that's right. a white house official said he's being considered for the elevated communications role. this role would be in addition to his current role as a senior policy adviser. the source adds that steve bannon the president's chief strategist and ally of miller, they're both part of the so-called nationalist wing of the west wing, steve bannon faves restructuring the director of communications role. so miller might not actually get that title. but just sort of get a more elevated role within the communications department. this source said that it wasn't clear whether steve bannon had floated this idea with the new chief of staff, john kelly, but of course ana, the fact that that we're tauing about it means its -- we're talk about it means it has been talked about publicly. we saw miller spar with jim acosta last week. but you may remember he was instrumental in the planning and the rollout of what was widely considered to be a disastrous rollout

you heard stephen miller say, well, when you're naturalized, you have to speak english. yes, when you're naturalized, you're at the very end of the immigration process and so i was simply trying to press him on some of those questions as to whether this sort of goes against this tradition of immigration in this country that we bring in all types of people, not necessarily people who are highly skilled who can -- who are computer programmers who speak fluent english. there are people we bring into this country from all walks of life, from all income levels, from all language speaking abilities, because we're the united states of america. you know, i mentioned my father, my father came here three weeks before the cuban missile crisis in 1962. he was 11 years old, didn't speak any english. he tells me the story about how a teacher at his school in virginia sat down with him and patiently taught him english as he was growing up here in northern virginia. you know, i think this goes back to a problem that this white house has. remember when the president launched his campaign

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let's talk about stephen miller. a senior white house official saying he might be headed to the more visible role. what are you hearing? >> that's right. it was described as a possibly elevated role in the communications department. this would be in addition to do his current role as senior policy adviser. he is also a big part of the president's speech writing team. this source says that steve bannon the president's chief strategist who is an ally of stephen miller favors restructuring the communication director role. so it's not clear whether miller would get that title but they -- but the idea is to give him an elevated role in the department. i should note though that cnn has spoken with two sources who have said that the new chief of staff john kelly may be favoring his own former homeland security spokesperson for the role of communications director. and i should mention that the source said it wasn't clear if bannon had floated this idea of stephen miller having an elevated role to chief of staff john kelly. o

i got to agree with miller on that one. i'm not sure what australians are speaking is actually english. that's all right, make them, crikey, g day, wall aby, serious, right? one of those is a maid up word. and miller's out continued to rage. >> it's actually, it reveals your cosmopolitan bias to a shocking degree that in your mind-- no, this is an amazing moment, this is an amazing moment, that you think only people from great britain and australia would speak english. it's so insulting to millions of hardworking immigrants who do speak english from all over the world. >> that's not you what said t shows your cosmopolitan bias. >> stephen: yes, in this month's issue of cosmopolitan bias it is 69 ways to drive jim acosta wild. (applause) wild. what does that mean? what does that mean? >> in the end stephen miller summed up the trump immigration policy succinctly. >> there are 7 billion people in the world. the question of who gets that golden ticket needs to be a discertaining process, that makes sense. >> stephen: look, mil

the words, the poem was added later, miller said. the words being the signature promise of this country from the poem "new colossus" by emma has lazarus. that's not what miller was really trying to brush aside. he was trying to brush aside their significance. this is not about calling illegal immigration bad hombres as the president liked to say this. is about changing not just how many, but who gets to come in legally, restrictions that would brush aside mesh's greatest strength, the diversity of people who have sacrificed to come here with nothing except the passion of purpose to make better lives and to make this country great. they're not just words added later. they are a solemn vow that was supposed to endure forever. so let's talk about what this policy could mean. let's bring in cnn's jim acosta now along with cnn political analyst april ryan. that was kind of a bizarre exchange. you know, i got where you were going with this. who are we? what is our definitional premise of who we want in this country? and miller wanted to da

(cathy miller/owner of tastries bakery)cathy miller: "a ceremony, when you're getting married is in thethe lord, okay and thats a celebration of a union that god has brought together and that's a whole lot different then coming in and wanting a cookie." miller says she has had this policy for five years and whenever she has a same sex couple looking for a wedding cake she helps set up an appointment with gimmee some sugar - her competitor. cathy miller: "that's what we've been doing for five years. i'm really hurt by this. i don't think w should eb picked on because of our beliefs." the supreme court is preparing to hear an appeal from a colorado baker regarding services for same-sex couples. in 2012, a same sex couple filed a complaint against jack phillips of masterpiece cakeshop in lakewood colorado after phillips refused to make a cake for their reception. phillips said to provide services for same-sex couples violates his religious views. a colorado state court (steve) the bakery has taken down it's social media - because the owner says she has been bombarded with negative comments

anne cater saying we need to clone stephen miller. at one point battling with a "new york times" reporter who pressed him for statistics to back up his claims. >> let's also use common sense here, folks. at the end of the day, why do special interests want to bring in more low skilled workers -- >> i'm not asking for common sense. >> i think it's very clear common sense. but if i could just answer -- if i could just answer your question. i named the study -- glenn, glenn, i named the studies. >> i asked for a statistic. you tell me how many -- >> make a carve-out in the bill that "the new york times" can hire all the low skilled less paid workers they want from other countries and see how you feel about low wage substitution. this is a reality that is happening in our country. >> miller one of the architects of the trump travel ban at one point took issue with the reference to a poem etched on the statue of liberty. >> give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses. it doesn't say anything about speaking english. >> the statue of