today then it would have to be approved to really hold will any water in the future but mr brown the united states and even the european union are far away whereas you know russia and ukraine share the border and obviously a bay both suffer from the conflict and if the new crane because of the refugees because of the damage to that bilateral trade what have you i mean it's simply you know for of humanitarian reasons they've devastating to have something like i do really think that they cannot decide just between the two of them on the bad it's the right time to put an end to it but i think they could that compromise or what i'm saying is that if that agreement was reached and it would be wonderful if it was it would still have to be approved at the top table and that's the big struggle is between the united states and russia so if it was agreed with those two and maybe europe at that top table then it would say it would it would stand and of course you mentioned the economic side i don't believe that economics really can be removed from politics politics is about power an economy int

european union which i think would be a very grave mistake because it would only antagonize russia well mr brown if i may quote the russian president mr putin here yesterday he was very vocal about russia not wanting to exert any pressure of area crams he actually said that russia doesn't want to be a part of any. you know peace deal negotiations he believes that this is something that ukrainians have to decide for themselves do you think by perhaps on their playing russia's interest here if he is playing quiet i mean the are he said that he's fine with ukrainian making their own choice but not that russia's expanse that was crucial to him this i think it's obama to the negotiating game to throw out these conditions and feelings of goodwill to show a willingness to negotiate to reach a compromise but how much credence you give them is another matter i believe that russia certainly will hold on to the primary it's a vital warm water vote and i believe russia will not agree to anything that allows the ukraine to slip from its sphere of influence into the european union and least a vote into nato n

the officer who shot mr. brown did not know that he was a suspect in that robbery when mr. brown was killed. then later the police chief changed that story and said maybe the officer did know that mr. brown had cigars on him at the time and knew they came from that robbery, maybe. it's been a day of surprises, unwelcome surprises, and changing stories from the ferguson police department, at a very sensitive moment in ferguson, missouri. joining us now is anthony gray, an attorney for michael brown's family. i know this is an incredibly difficult time for you and a busy one. thank you for being with us. >> thank you so much, rachel, for having me. >> i have to ask, when you and the brown family first knew about the existence of this video from the convenience store, did you know it existed? did you have any idea that it was going to be released? >> i had some idea that there was some video out there that depicted the images of michael brown jr. i didn't know where it was from. actually, we thought it was video footage from the quiktrip that was burned down right around the co

and that would be consistent with the position that mr. brown was found in at the scene, being on the right side of his face, and that's why we said that those -- that shot was one of the last two shots for him to receive before he hit the ground. >> do you have a way to know, or have you reached a conclusion about, which wound might have been the fatal wound? >> the fatal wound is the one to the very top of the head or the apex. that is the one that went into the head and hit the brain and that would have caused death immediately. >> the most recent witness statements that have come together have suggested the following: there was some sort of scuffle. the teenager ran. the police officer began firing. the teenager stopped and turned and the officer continued to fire a number of shots. there's nothing about that statement that you can contradict with the autopsy which you performed. right? >> not -- no, there isn't. however, will say that on our side of the investigation, when we review witness statements, we want to make sure they're credible

so mr. brown was stopped for walking in the middle of the street, and that is what led to all of this tension. you know, air garner, the man in new york who was put in the illegal choke hold, was stopped for selling illegal cigarettes. >> and died. >> yes, and died as a result of an illegal chokehold by a police officer. so there are ways of dealing with these nuisances rather than just criminal law. so if johnny makes a mistake and johnny happens to be white and they slap him on the wrist and tell him not to do this. but if it's pedro, a latino or african-american, there is a problem. >> i think everybody would agree that it's important we get to exactly what happened, that we get to the facts. how do you get to the truth even from the point of view as you have different investigations that are ongoing, there are

mr. brown's head was facing down. ion may be that he was falling. >> reporter: if brown was following, why did officer wilson keep shooting? friend offers this. >> he stands out and yells freeze, michael and his friend turn around and michael, oh, what are you going to do about it? you're not going to shoot me. all of a sudden he started bum rush him. >> reporter: diverging opinions, bullets to explain and a grand jury deciding whether to file charges. susan candiottcandiotti, cnn, n >> i'm randi kaye in new york, we'll have much more from anderson in fuerguson, missouri right after this. [ woman ] the cadillac summer collection is here. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] during the cadillac summer's best event, lease this 2014 ats for around $299 a month. hurry in -- this exceptional offer ends soon. ♪ hurry in -- this exceptional offer ends soon. so what we're looking for is a way to "plus" our accounting firm's mobile plan. and "minus" our expenses. perfect timing. we're offering our best-ever pricing on mobile plans for busine

but at the same time, if mr. brownd around, had his hands up, even if he was bent over slightly, that's an basis to shoot him if you are some distance away. the question is whether or not the officer perceived and had reasonableness to perceive what mr. brown was doing. i think on balance, the defendant has got to overcome these three witnesses, assuming the three witnesses did not have an axe to grind in that part of any kind of biasness. you have to deal with the question of who are the other witnesses. i hope it didn't come down to a black witness saying this and white witness saying something else because that's not going to advance the situation for a jury to understand. >> kendel? >> i think that first of all, we can expect that police community is going to continue to rally behind officer darren wilson and they are mighty smart and mighty good at what they do. and that includes working the press and getting their message out through the media. so we are hearing that message. we haven't seen witnesses that actual

mr. brown is a victim, shot six times by ferguson police officer darren wilson who up until august 9th had a very good record. now, some suspect wilson of murder and a grand jury is hearing the case. also, attorney general eric holder went to ferguson missouri today to meet with fbi agents and state authorities who are conducting separate investigations. good. the feds should look into this case. and their investigation should be transparent. that is americans should get hard information as it comes out. which brings us to this video of mr. brown stealing from a convenience store and pushing the clerk around. agitators call the release of the video a smear against michael brown and his family. further inflaming the situation. but facts are not smears. and this goes to mr. brown's state of mind on the day he was killed. americans have a right to know what happened leading up to the shooting. you don't suppress an important piece of information in a case like this when only one side of the story

if we place an individual such as mr. browner and he's not advancing, he's got his hands up, he's saying i surrender, you have verbal and physical cues that tell you there's not an immediate threat. doesn't mean there's not an imminent threat but there's not an immediate threat because he's not making effort to close the gap. now you change those variables. now the officer keeps the distance, tells him to get on the ground. now you try to get him into a position that allows you to maintain visual control over him until other officers can arrive and they can properly secure him. >> i think what you're telling me is it's not an easy answer. dennis root, thanks very much. appreciate your insight. >> thank you. >> you know, it seems like now, no matter what investigators or police or riot officers do, nothing seems to calm the anger, especially at night. we're getting the view from people who are part of the protests in ferguson about what it is like on the street. and the toll that this conflict is taking on that community. so i c

"the times" says "officer wilson said mr. brown had lowered his arms and moved toward him," law enforcement officials said. what does that mean? what does "move toward him" mean? a half step, while falling from the bullets that officer wilson has already fired into michael brown? does it mean one or two steps? "the new york times" never tells you. "the new york times" doesn't know. moved toward him is all the clarity that you get from "the new york times" in depth reporting on this. that's all you get on that point. "the new york times" interviewed michael brady. why didn't they quote him on how michael brown moved toward the officer? listen to this description michael brady gave tonight about how michael brown moved toward the officer. >> by the time i get outside, he's already turned around, facing the officer. he's balled up, he has his arms like under his stomach and he was halfway down, like he was going down. and the officer lets out about three or four shots at him. so like i said, just like the body, i took a few pictures i

mr. brown is a victim, shot six times by ferguson police officer darren wilson who up until august 9th had a very good record. now, some suspect wilson of murder and a grand jury is hearing the case. also, attorney general eric holder went to ferguson missouri today to meet with fbi agents and state authorities who are conducting separate investigations. good. the feds should look into this case. and their investigation should be transparent. that is americans should get hard information as it comes out. which brings us to this video of mr. brown stealing from a convenience store and pushing the clerk around. agitators call the release of the video a smear against michael brown and his family. further inflaming the situation. but facts are not smears. and this goes to mr. brown's state of mind on the day he was killed. americans have a right to know what happened leading up to the shooting. you don't suppress an important piece of information in a case like this when only one side of the story

mr. brown is a victim shot six times by police officer darren wilson who up until august 9th had a very good record. the grand jury is hearing the case. also attorney general eric holder p went to missouri to meet with fbi agents and state authorities who are con sukti sukting -- conducting separate investigations. they should look into this case and their investigation should be transparent. they should get hard information as it comes out. which brings us to this video of mr. brown stealing from a convenience store and pushing the clerk around. agitate tors call it a smear against michael brown and his family further inflaming the situation. the facts are not smearings. this goes to mr. brown's state of mind on the day he was killed. americans ahave the right to knw facts leading up to the shooting. only one side of the story is being reported by the media which is generally terrified of any racial situation. then there's the looting, disgraceful, then one guy has a gun shoots the lock off th

so what mr. brown was doing prior to being stoppeded by the officer i think really it doesn't play that much of a factor in the shooting itself. that's what we should stay focused on. >> what if the account by the police officer supposedly he's arguing when he pulled him over, that michael brown went for his gun and tried to resist. that's when the gun was fired. what about that argument that apparently the police officer in question here is making? >> well, i think -- >> that may allow. >> go ahead, mawuli. >> i think the problem with that is when they initially engage, if the -- if mr. brown is no longer a threat, then he should not have fired his weapon. if he puts his hands up, he's no longer a threat. the weapon should not have been fired. that's the analysis that i think is it important. while we can look at what happened leading up to the fatal shot, i think we still have to look at what happens when his hands are up. if his hands are up and he's shot, he's no longer a threat and that officer sh

after mr. brownas shot, the first thing that happened immediately after the shooting that upset people so much locally was the fact that his body was left in the street for hours by police. this video was shot in the immediate aftermath of the shooting by a young woman who lived nearby. and the voice that you'll hear in the foreground here is her narrating her own video explaining what she's looking at right after michael brown was shot. >> god bless his soul. police shot his boy outside my apartment. they killed him. >> police later explained that they left michael brown's body laying in the street for so long that it was there in the street in the middle of the day for hours because they wanted to protect the scene of the shooting. because they said they had to, quote, practice our due diligence, with that shooting scene. but he laid in the street for hours. after he was killed. it has been ten days since then, and still his family has not had the opportunity to lay him to rest. first, it was the c

after mr. brown was shot, the first thing that happened immediately after the shooting that upset people so much locally was the fact that his body was left in the street for hours by police. this video was shot in the immediate aftermath of the shooting by a young woman who lived nearby. the voice that you'll hear in the foreground here is her narrating her own video explaining what she's looking at right after michael brown was shot. >> god bless his soul. police shot this boy outside my apartment. they killed him. >> police later explained that they left michael brown's body laying in the street for so long that it was there in the street in the middle of the day for hours because they wanted to protect the scene of the shooting. because they said they had to, quote, practice our due diligence, with that shooting scene. but he laid in the street for hours. after he was killed. it has been ten days since then, and still his family has not had the opportunity to lay him to rest. first, it was the co

where are the bullets that hit mr. brown? only three have been recovered.here is just so much information that needs to be put together that will supplement the eyewitness testimony which we know is very unreliable. you have a lot of different stories. and i would prefer to put my faith in the physical evidence. it doesn't lie. it has to be interpreted properly. the autopsy information clearly is very important. but it is only a part of overall big picture to help us understand what happened. >> why don't we stop speculating and see if that helps. what's happening is whoever it is, police, whatever, are releasing these tidbits of information that only cause people to be antagonized one side or the other. if it is a statement from a com to a girl, a female friend, it antagonizes. if it is a partial autopsy, it antagonizes. what's happening is people are so raw in the way they're feeling about this event that every little sintilia of evidence. we like it in the public but we as the lawyers know, this is not good for the case. and getting it out in the public

mr. brown, he just runs directly down to the middle of the street and his friend, there was a car parked on the sidewalk, the ferguson cop, his vehicle was in the middle of the street diagonal. so they take off running. >> had there been a shot when there was still the tussle? >> i didn't hear the shot. i didn't hear the shot. quite a few people that was around said they heard a shot go off in the car. >> but the important thing is what you heard. you did not hear it? >> right, i deaf netly didn't hear that. >> okay. >> so his friend takes off running and like i said, the parked car was on the side, on the side, on the sidewalk. and like i say, it was probably like five feet away from the police cruiser in the middle of the street. so they just takes off running and i see the officer gets out to the car emerge and just immediately start shooting. so -- >> you say he immediately started shooting. he didn't say anything? >> i didn't hear because everything -- i'm still in the window. >> okay. >>

need to be done is really thoroughly looking into the backgrounds of all the people involved both mr. brown as well as the officer. >> a key question may be whether brown was advancing or acting aggressively at the time he was shot, to put it simply, whether he was retreat, standing still or moving forward in the direction of the officer when he fired. that remains an open question. >> there could be consistent with his going forward or going backward. >> so the bottom line is that autopsy reports can only go so far toward determining what really happened and another autopsy is expected from a federal medical examiner. jay? >> of joe johns, thank you so much. let's dig deep fear this independent autopsy to try to get a better sense of what it tells us and doesn't tell us. shaun parcells is the forensic pathologist assistant and medical investigate who took part in the autopsy. he joins us live from st. louis. thanks so much for joining us. before we start with the autopsy, i want to get your reaction to new information we learned today. the lossest thing we have to an account from the offic

, the local authorities released the video and showing an apparent robbery by mr. brownyou referred to that video earlier. the attorney general is convinced he was a innocent young man killed and he doesn't want the waters muddied by showing a 300 pound six foot 418-year-old shoving the clerk around walking out with cigars he didn't pay for. >> and they are calling for transparency. and that video had to be released and it goes to the officer's state of mind and victim's state of mind. did he have a propensitiy for violence and the attorney general publicly critizing what the police are doing when the investigation is ongoing it is improper. protestors have a right to protest, it is a first amendment right. but there are looters. a lot of them are violent and attacking the police and throwing molatov cocktails. they are going to be in trucks and military dpeer to insure order in their jurisdiction and the comments of the president are contradictory with the actions of the government. >> fred, quickly. >> look, john, if it turned down a young man gunned down trying to ret

the government has contributed $500 million to beef up our capabilities. >> mr. brown, what is the most important thing people in liberia should be doing to keep the virus from spreading? >> the first thing is to follow scrupulously what health authorities and experts are advising. we have to deal with resistance, with doubts, skepticism about whether or not the virus is here. the evidence is overwhelming in many communities it is here and it is spreading. our strategy is to continue -- to contain the public transmission. we are not -- we are asking people not to touch dead bodies. there will be -- that will mean that certain measures will be taken, including quarantine. we are asking people, do not touch the bodies, the health capabilities have not been improved. the response will be much faster. we will be able to reach you even before people can die. we want people to follow scrupulously what health authorities are saying -- washing their hands and taking protective measures. difficult activity right now. >> that was lewis brown, the minister of information in liber

so mr. brown, there is no evidence that mr. own was creating a forceable felony or any threat to the public so why was there a threat of 11 shots in the middle of the street in the middle of the day? i have significant issues with this the shoeing. >> i want to bring in lopa. initially i was told by people here that there were many more witnesses, possibly recordings and people were afraid to come forward because they didn't want to deal with police and the spotlight. now one of these cases happening and your client is coming forward. >> yes. basically, the only reason he didn't come forward earlier other than the safety concerns we discussed is because i think unless you're an attorney like your guests, praums don't understand the import of the pause and what was heard. i brought to it his attention that it is extremely important if. this is put into the right hands and people can hear it and make a determination based on it. >> can there be another explanation for that cause? >> i don't know. it is hard to say. when i listen t

mr. brown's body. if the gun was pointed say towards the floor board, then there would be gunshot residue towards the floor board. the other important thing is looking at the trajectory of the bullet that went off in the car, and exited the car. so if it actually didn't hit before brown and went down or went up, say out of the window, it would be important from a ballistic standpoint to understand that to help reconstruct possibly what is going on during the struggle. >> the sketch on the left-hand side of the screen now is my understanding well, your reporting that the bullet wound on the top of his head is one that killed him. is there a, an assessment of how the bullet may have hit his head in such a way? >> two bullet wounds that hit the head had to occur as mr. brown was falling towards the ground. so in other words he is falling going forward as if you're just standing up ask start, you faint and fall forward you know, the head had to be down at such a degree that shots were able to come in at th

mr. brown's body. if the gun was pointed say towards the floor board, then there would be gunshot residue towards the floor board. the other important thing is looking at the trajectory of the bullet that went off in the car, and exited the car. so if it actually didn't hit before brown and went down or went up, say out of the window, it would be important from a ballistic standpoint to understand that to help reconstruct possibly what is going on during the struggle. >> the sketch on the left-hand side of the screen now is my understanding well, your reporting that the bullet wound on the top of his head is one that killed him. is there a, an assessment of how the bullet may have hit his head in such a way? >> two bullet wounds that hit the head had to occur as mr. brown was falling towards the ground. so in other words he is falling going forward as if you're just standing up ask start, you faint and fall forward you know, the head had to be down at such a degree that shots were able to come in at th

but i will tell you this, it sounds from the initial contact with mr. brown that this officer was not particularly pleased with the way the struggle might have turned out before mr. brown was trying to get away from him and perhaps he was upset about that and didn't -- and wanted to exact retribution against mr. brown for that. that is speculation. but that with make sense to me. >> he was intimidated about his side or -- or was it race? >> if it is size and weight, why are you getting out of the car and chasing him? those are scenarios that boggles the mind. if i'm afraid of you then why am i engaging you? why not take a fall back situation. cause your own fear and say, i'm gooding it eliminate the fear of you guys. it doesn't make any sense and i would ask your listeners and audience to take that into account. >> anthony, jake shepherd spoke to cnn about wilson. you want to play a brief clip about that. >> i can never i manning inhim, even if that situation, taking someone else's wife. let alone taking someone's life with malicious intent. you know. he is j

wilson shot mr. brown and now mr. brown is dead. that kind of very clear language. what do you think is at the core of that? is that about, jelani, trying to just push off responsibility, do you think, or do you think there's generally been an experience of a lack of being held accountable? >> i have to tell you, when i talked with people about the way that policing is handled here, you know, the thing that i've gotten back from people is it's not simply ferguson but it is a problem with the municipalities in st. louis county and they say this is something that cuts across very many of them. now in ferguson specifically it's hard to think other than these are people who do not have a great degree of accountability or are not accustomed to accountability and that goes from everything how they've addressed the media in an antagonistic way to address the way people have interacted with the community. certainly it looks like -- i can't say what's going on inside the inner workings of the department, but it looks like they've circled the wagons around the police officer

but i went out to the area where they created the shrine where mr. brown was shot. i ran into someone from the association of black psy psychologists and they have been going out there for that specific purpose, to speak to people who saw this incident and who may be traumatized by it. >> that's good. they need all of those different people because so many people are being affected by sheer geography and where they are living. at the same time, craig, when you talk about law enforcement, when you talk about a community like ferguson police department is primarily white, demographics are primarily african-american, do you think that matters? do you think law enforcement demographics? >> we need to be honest with ourselves in this country. race is still an issue and as the issues relate to ferguson and even in the county that i'm a district attorney in, we can stop dealing with race but that's still the issue. you have a lot of individuals of a certain race and culture that really just don't trust law enforcement. in order to regain that trust, we need to have transpa

thank you very much for being here folks are it's very good to be with you well and mr brown the men's committing between putin and patrol produced a lot of media coverage but in practical terms and it didn't lead to much or at least much that we are aware of and here i think both of them are under extreme pressure from multiple sides to produce some sort of progress towards peace what are the chances in your view of them agreeing to anything constructive well i think it's a pretty macho sarge line at the moment. whether there are they're able to reach any form of the green.

thank you very much for being here folks are it's very good to be with you well and mr brown in minsk meeting between to me a putin and patrol pressure produced a lot of media coverage but in practical terms and it didn't lead to much or at least much that we are aware of and here i think both of them are under extreme pressure from multiple sides to produce some sort of progress towards peace what are the chances in your view of them agreeing to anything constructive well i think it's a pretty much a sideline at the moment and whether there are they're able to reach any form of agreement depends on the compromise between the united states europe and russia. not really on the ukraine and syria really depends on those big as what they would agree to and of course we should be seeking compromise i totally agree with you well it's interesting that you say that because today the russian daily commerce sandro that impression could put in perhaps for the first time mad if not their worth their plan and then at least an equally skilled negotiator and i think it's also interesting that both o

-- >> of the officer, too. >> maybe the officer didn't know anything about mr. brown but mr. rown didn't know that. he didn't know that the cop didn't know. and that plays a role in his behavior. and then if you look at the toxicology report that also plays a factor. how? i have no idea. i'm not a doctor. >> i know we dana just one thing bob you want facts. most of this stuff, most of this strike started with people holding up their hands in the streets saying, he was executed. >> hands up. >> his hands were up when he was shot and we still have -- >> how do you know he wasn't? you don't know. >> my gosh. and the officer was treated at the hospital for facial injures, as well. oh, my gosh. come on! why do you want everybody to be a bad guy. why do you want him -- >> -- why don't you want everything to be racist. >> who said racist? have you ever met a bad cop in your life? >> oh, come on. that's such a ridiculous question. the bottom line is don't assume that they're all bad. >> i did not assume that that all. >> -- racial divide. >> i disand i assume there's the fact about hi

like i said, all of a sudden they take off running, mr. brown, he just runs directly down to the middle of the street and his friend is a car that was parked on the sidewalk, the ferguson cop his vehicle was on the street diagonal. they take off running. >> had there been a shot when there was still that tussle? >> i didn't hear the shot. i didn't hear the shot. quite a few people that was around say they heard a shot go off in the car -- >> the important thing is what you heard. you did not hear it? >> no, i definitely didn't hear that. >> okay. >> so like i say, his friend takes off running and like i said, the parked car was on the side, on the side, on the sidewalk. and like i say, he just fired like five feet away from the police cruiser in the middle of the street. so like i said, they just takes off running and i see the officer gets out to the car, emerged and just immediately start shooting. so -- >> you're saying he immediately started shooting. he didn't say anything, he didn't -- >> i didn't hear. i'm still in the window. i'm still i

so we have $26 billion going and mr. brown never addresses that, out of the state treasury to support illegal immigration. and he wants more people, more people to come to the welcoming state of california, mr. johnson. it's crazy, it not? >> it's not so crazy. >> no? >> it's not. i'm going to have to agree with enrique on this. i think the evidence is pretty clear, you're just adding up the cost side and the numbers are big. but when you compare to it the benefits of immigration, particularly in california, the numbers are much larger. >> open border is what you want. let them all come on in. >> no, no, no. you're saying that. >> whoa, whoa, whoa, i don't understand what you're saying, mr. johnson. if the benefits outweigh. >> let me finish. >> -- outweigh the tax money going out, and mr. brown has issued an invitation to everybody in the world to come to his state, it seems that he doesn't want anybody to be hindered, mr. johnson, or am i wrong? >> no. what it means is that i think you want to create -- your support for comp

mr. brown, he just runs directly down the middle of the street. and his friend, there was a car that was parked on the sidewalk, the ferguson cop, his vehicle was in the middle of the street diagon diagonal. so they take off running. >> reporter: had there been a shot when there was still that tussle in the police car? >> i didn't hear the shot. i didn't hear the shot. quite a few people that was around said they heard a shot go off in the car. >> reporter: the important thing is what you heard. you did not hear it. >> right. you so i definitely didn't hear that. so like i say, his friend takes off running. and like i said, the parked car was on the side -- on the side -- on the sidewalk. and like i say, it was probably, like, five feet away from the police cruiser in the middle of the street. so like i said, it justs takes off running. and i see the officer gets out to the car, and just immediately starts shooting. eve >> reporter: you you're saying he didn't say anything? he didn't -- >> like i said, i didn't hear. because everything -- i'm stil

mr. brown is a victim.erguson police officer darren wilson, who up until august 9 had a very good record. now, some suspect wilson a murderer and a grand jury is hearing the case. also attorney general eric holder went to ferguson, missouri today to meet with f.b.i. agents and state authorities who are conducting separate investigations. good! the feds should look into this case. and their investigation should be transparent. that is americans should get hard information as it comes out. which brings us to this video of mr. brown stealing from a convenience store and pushing the clerk around. agitators call the release of the video a smear against michael brown and his family. further inflaming the situation. but facts are not smears and this goes to mr. brown's state of mind on the day he was killed. americans have a right to know what happened leading up to the shooting. you don't suppress an important piece of information in a case like this when only one side of the story is being reported by the media,

one of the great, wonderful, colorful characters in this book, mr. brown is the guy who invented the well, one of the early on-line services. he invented -- he held to the mother of all demos which is when this guy shows a computer system for the first time. he was there at the creation of so many. the electric kool-aid. dropping acid. been involved in so many things. the home grown computer club meeting. here is what we did. took all of these notes on it. another person said, well, i was actually at it. it was more like these type. so it is light but the pds. the wisdom of the hell to the crowd house to cross our sit. i put a lot of that in the book and obviously gave him. here is what he said when he wrote an early version. >> host: is it tough to write a book like this when we are in the middle of what is a continual innovation time? >> guest: no. it is a wonderful part, wonderful trajectory where a couple of big old themes. the one, as i said, is really creative people who understand the arts and humaniti, connect. their imagination to the machine and

there are allegations that mr. brown was trying to get the gun from the officer's possession here in this case. it's similar and that creates a strong appearance of im ppropriy or a potential conflict. even if the evidence dictates and the problem with a grand jury, chris, as you know, the evidence is closed. the evidence is not made available oh to the public. the testimony is not in the cross-examination -- there is no cross-examination of witnesses. so there are real problems. i think it would be better for him to recuse himself not because he didn't believe he would be fair, but because whatever he does, it won't have the appearance of impartiality. >> here's one concern on this. i won't get into the thing. if you bring in another prosecutor, doesn't that man or woman who comes in have a mission to prosecute? i have never heard of a special prosecutor not prosecuting. they don't walk away from a case and say there is not a crime there. seems they are dedicated from the outset to indict. >> you're thinking mostly of c

i think this situation with the young mr. brown is what caused it to boil other.lot of us out here are trying to calm things down. especially getting a hold of the young guys and let them know there's a better way to voice their anger. but there is a lot of anger and some of it is very justified. >> are you concerned at all that this community and maybe, by extension, your city, st. louis, may start to fall into the same category, the same circumstance that stanford, florida, did as well, after the shooting of trayvon martin? >> well, i hope that's not the case. i think we all should be concerned in the st. louis region about what's happening. the anger that's bubbling up in the young african-american community. i think we need to do a better job of including them in our whole community. a lot of people -- the mayor was right. a lot of people from outside of ferguson have come here because they share the anger and the frustration. and so hopefully this can be a starting point for a conversation that lasts a long time. and rebuild in a better way. >> and now, i'm s

the clothing mr. brown was wearing, we need to be able to look at that. we also feed to know what happened after the event that occurred in the car to the point to where mr. brown collapsed on the ground and what is the conference between the car and where he collapsed on the ground? those are all key elements to really be able to take that information, bring it back to what dr. baden and i were able to do at the second autopsy, and really start piecing things together. we may not be able to ever answer every single question, but we definitely can answer more questions than what we could today. >> i think there are some preliminary indications that there was about 35 feet between the patrol car and where the bead was found. that's quite a distance to run for michael brown, especially since he apparently already has one pull let in hbullet in him. i want to talk about that one shot, according to witnesses the first shot went off very, very close to the car, with michael brown touching the car. according to the police story i, michael brown may have been re

mr. brown, he just runs directly down in the middle of the street and his friend, there's a car that was parked on the sidewalk, the ferguson cop, his vehicle was in the middle of the street diagonal so like i said they take off running. >> had there been a shot when there was still that tussle in the police car? >> i didn't hear the shot. i didn't hear the shot. quite a few people that was around said they heard a shot go off in the car. >> the important thing, what you heard. you did not hear it? >> right. i definitely didn't hear that. like i say, his friend takes off running and like i said, the parked car was on the side on the sidewalk. and like i said, probably like five feet away from the police cruiser in the middle of the street. like i said they just takes off running and i see the officer get out of the car emerge and just immediately start shooting. so -- >> you say he immediately starts shooting. you're saying he didn't say anything, he didn't -- >> like i said i didn't hear becau

is, then mr. brownchieve the trajectories we saw. however, if you look at mr. brown falling, just falling straightforward as he's going toward face first toward the ground then the same trajectories can be met as well. again, we have to really have a reconstruction of the shooting scene. we've got to know the distance. we've got to know what events occurred in the car. we have to know how tall the officer is compared to how tall mr. brown is to really put this information back together and say more conclusively what is a better theory as to what happened. >> and that gets to, i think, an important question. not only what you know but also what you don't know. what is the biggest unknown what is missing to complete your analysis, would you say? >> well, number one dr. baden and i need tow see the first autopsy. we need to understand what the pathologist saw. we need to see the photographs, the report. we need understand his analysis, the toxicology report. we need to see mr. brown's clothing to see if th

whether he knew mr. brown was involved in this incident? i'm confused on that. whether he knew mr. brown was involved in this incident. >> i can only go up to a certain point, and then it's unreleased information in the investigation. and that certain point is the initial contact between the officer and mr. brown was not related to the robbery. >> is there paperwork that has to be filed as a matter of protocol describing the conditions under which a weapon is discharged? >> there's a use of force report that we have. but the whole -- all the reports that are going to be written on this are going to be written by the st. louis county police department. they have total control of the investigation. >> i imagine after the shooting. >> i don't have it in my possession. everything belongs to the county. >> how do you respond to people who say this is not michael brown on the surveillance tape? >> i just think take a look at it. just take a look at the tape. >> the socks were different compared to the pictures of th

mr brown's death led to days of violent protest in the st louis suburb where he was shot. the killing inflamed racial tensions. police in riot gear are no longer on the streets of ferguson, and protests have been peaceful in the past few days, calls for the arrest of the police officer who killed michael brown are as loud as ever. >>> ricky nelson is struck by the same notion as maybe black men - it might have been him. >> it could be any one of us. that young man was shot. so. there's no difference. black men in america - it's simple. cut and tried. grew up with the same circumstances. same circumstances. >> the protests have gone from sometimes violent to sombre. the facts of what happened remain foggy. many here say the shooting of unarmed michael brown by police officer dil son highlights the dis -- darren wilson highlights the disrespect. >> you would not treat a dog like that, if a dog is hit they pick him up off the street straight away. they let the baby lie there are four four hours, on the oh concrete, blood splattering out of his head. >> at a funeral on monday,

so let's say that mr. brown had his hands up as his friends claim and actually eyewitnesses who don't know him are claiming. and let's say we know he was unarmed, which we do. is that the end of this case? is that ball game? is that all they need to show this officer went beyond the guidelines for deadly force? joining me now trial attorney and criminal defense attorney mike eiglarsh. mark, is that ball game? >> i think it's very difficult for him to say reasonably he had the right to shoot him if his hands were up. but i would want to know more. maybe he's running towards him with his hands up. which seems ludicrous. i can't imagine that's what happened. all i'm saying is he deserves due process like anyone in this country does. let's wait. we don't have it all. >> we on this show have been saying that all along. i think the viewers know that's of course the way it has to be. of course he gets due process. everybody gets their rights protected. let me ask you, what is the standard for when an officer can shoot

mr. brown's face.ubbing against the ground, which happened as best we can tell when after the gunshot wounds he fell down unprotected and got those abrasions. otherwise no evidence of a struggle. >> reporter: the medical team stressed that its findings were preliminary. >> we're here as forensic scientists. we're looking for information that is from the autopsy and other scientific studies that will allow us to eventually reach final conclusions. >> reporter: st. louis county has completed its autopsy including the toxicology report. those results have been passed on to the country prosecutor, but will not be made public until the investigation is complete. natasha ghoneim. >>> dr. judy worked in the new york city's medical office in 2003, and is the author of "working stiff." i'm wondering, whether you take any issue with the findings that the doctor announced today? >> i do. the first thing that concerns me is this idea that a second autopsy is independent and the first is not independent in some way

report itself, it does link the robbery at the convenience store to the shooting that happened of mr. brown. >> except, indicatey, let me ask you this though. the thing that bothered me about the release of documents, they don't say what happened in the car. at least the documents i have they come right up to the point where it doesn't even talk about anything that happened in the car. doesn't talk anything about the shooting. where is that incident report? why didn't that get released? >> greta, you are absolutely 100% right and on target. we are more concerned about what happened at that car what led to the shooting. it was it a justifiable or unjustifiable shooting. the chief of police remembers saying the officer was not aware of this robbery i'm suspicion, why are they holding them back, if they are going to play the transparency card, where is it? it dogs suggest that they are cherry picking everything they want. the was for the robbery of the convenience store. it does cross-reference a fact that michael brown and dorian johnson were the primary suspects in this convenience store rob

it becomes a part of that theater, it becomes a part of that entire stage as to was it mr. brown at that store or was it not? where do those two intersect between that and, of course, the shooting itself. i don't know the answer to that, and i don't think anyone has clearly articulated the answer to it. it is mere speculation because it is an ongoing investigation. >> talk about the community and it's relations with the police. there is little doubt that ferguson needs more diversity on the police officer. 53%, only three african-american in a city more than two-thirds black. how does it even get to that point where there is such an enormous dichotomy between a police force and a community? >> well, you know, it could be a number of reasons for it, and i'll speculate for a moment. we don't know what the demographics of that city may have been 15-20 years ago. i don't have that piece of democratic history. >> it was degre predominantly white in 30 years ago but that began to change in the 80's. >> you have 60% african-american, and you have a police department that is 97% white, a