[applause] the advantage i had was mr. nixon had adjusted debated with crew shot. i debated with hubert humphrey and that gave me an expert >> debated with hubert humphrey gave him an edge. greg, you are on. welcome to the conversation. hello? >> hello kar. i was just -- this kind of relates to what you were talking about earlier. humphrey and lbj is relationship, why would he have to attack his own over vietnam? >> why did lbj attack hubert humphrey? because lbj wanted to win the war and he did not want anyone telling him -- getting off about it. he wanted people to do what he told him to do. humphrey had reservations about the war and he knew it. he had been a free spirit his whole career and suddenly he was in a situation where he had to be controlled. >> i think basically he was protecting his own legacy. >> we are going to close out our conversation with a clip of the 1968 national guardsmen who were students themselves in the street holding back a student protesters. this is hubert humphrey in a clip from the convention as he accepts the nomination. >> where

on may 9, mr. nixon abruptly decided to surprise a group gathered at the lincoln memorial. the nixon presidential library and museum has released a series of recordings, including dictation from president nixon to his chief staff, h.r. haldeman, describing his version of that night's events. for more on the recordings we're joined by melvin small, distinguished professor of history emeritus at wayne state university. he's author of "the presidency of richard nixon," and "covering dissent-- the media and anti-vietnam war movement." professor, isn't it priceless to have a president's reminiscences from right after an event like this? >> it certainly was. and he was reacting-- he wrote it three or four days after and he was reacting to the terribly negative press that he received, which he thought was unfair. of course, richard nixon always thought the press was unfair. >> let's listen as president nixon describes a conversation with his valet and asking him if he'd ever been down to the lincoln memorial. >> i said get your clothes on and we'll go down to the lincoln memorial.

guest: mr. nixon was pardons by president ford in september of 1974, so there was no effort at prosecuting mr. nixon. what the grand jury was a interested in was his meetings and interactions with other people on other subjects. some of the subjects that were talked to mr. nixon about is the circumstances around the 18.5- minute gap in one of the white house tapes that was certainly referring to watergate. cash received by friends of mr. nixon and his secretary, rose mary woods. national security wiretap program against newsmen and a security council -- security council employees. sale of ambassadorships for campaign contributions and harassment of democratic national committee chairman lawrence o'brien by the internal revenue service. nixon could not be prosecuted in those areas, but he had meetings on these subjects and his testimony could illuminate other people's conduct. host: if people want to read these for themselves, when and where will they be available? guest: nunda eastern standard time, t

mr. nixon, where do you stand on the program? where do you stand? say -- >> you know something, richard nixon has not won an election on his own in 18 years. let's keep a good thing going. >> those were campaign commercials for the 1968 campaign as we talk about hubert h. humphrey, our featured contender in our series on 14 men who lost the election but changed history. we are live from the minnesota history center. this is a special exhibit they are doing in 1968 which i am told will travel to other cities. >> chicago for sure, and i believe atlanta or charlotte as well. >> chicago is certainly appropriate as we talk about this. >> it is time to talk about the fall campaign. juan williams on my left and mick caouette on my right. both have written a number of books about the civil rights era. in the fall campaign, we have wallace, nixon, and hubert humphrey all fighting for the white house. we had riots in the spring, did they continue? >> there was some rioting that persisted. it was not of the major kind of smoke in the sky variety that we saw ea

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we haven't had a gold-backed dollar now for about 40 years since our friend, mr. nixon was president. i don't think that's can be correlated with anything very much. we are certainly not going to be is v. a gold-backed dollar ever again. we have to deal with the situation as it is. which is we do know one thing for sure. we are running deficits unsustainable. that's got to stop. that's the only thing we know for sure. >> ben, i disagree with you wholeheartedly on the tax issue. i agree with you on cutting spending. absolutely necessary. great to see you my friend. >> great to see you. >> pinheads and patriots on deck. passengers stuck on a plane for more than seven hours and they had an unlikely ally pleading for help. >> finally tonight, pinhead or patriots. the northeast was hit with a whopper of a storm, causing travel delays throughout region. one flight was stuck on the tarmac in connecticut for more than of seven hours. passengers complained of no water and no usable rest rooms. it got so bad the pilot called airport officials pleading for help. >> we can't get to

economic and geostrategic reasons, opposed to bringing, well, i was opposed to the trip to china when mr. nixon, what we did, and i didn't like what carter did, and then i we want into the reagan white house, they called me in there saying there was a communique, a difference of the communique, and so i said, you know, i'm suspicious of china in terms of i do believe the chinese see themselves as replacing the united states. they're going to play the role in the 21st century america plays in the 20th century. i think they see that, and so i think we have been building them up. where did they get the $3 trillion, ralph? they got cash reserves. >> host: wal-mart. >> guest: wal-mart. i'm aprehencive with them. we don't want a war or conflict with them, and i think the way we manage, the way reagan managed the cold war, but the chinese have ambitions. they told us to get out of the south china sea, the east china sea, and out of the loc, so these are our territorial waters. >> host: yeah, well, you know, look at it this way. what if they are aircraft carriers off long island sound? >> guest: they w

on may 9, mr. nixon abruptly decided to surprise a group gathered at the lincoln memorial. the nixon presidential library and museum has released a series of recordings, including dictation from president nixon to his chief staff, h.r. haldeman, describing his version of that night's events. for more on the recordings we're joined by melvin small, distinguished professor of history emeritus at wayne state university. he's author ofthe presidency of richard nixon," and "covering dissent-- the media and anti-vietnam war movement." professor, isn't it priceless to have a president's reminiscences from right after an event like this? >> it certainly was. and he was reacting-- he wrote it three or four days after and he was reacting to the terribly negative press that he received, which he thought was unfair. of course, richard nixon always thought the press was unfair. >> let's listen as president nixon describes a conversation with his valet and asking him if he'd ever been down to the lincoln memorial. >> i said get your clothes on and we'll go down to the lincoln memorial. i

we haven't had a gold-backed dollar now for about 40 years since our friend, mr. nixonresident. i don't think that's can be correlated with anything very much. we are certainly not going to be is v. a gold-backed dollar ever again. we have to deal with the situation as it is. which is we do know one thing for sure. we are running deficits unsustainable. that's got to stop. that's the only thing we know for sure. >> ben, i disagree with you wholeheartedly on the tax issue. i agree with you on cutting spending. absolutely necessary. great to see you my friend. >> great to see you. >> pinheads and patriots on deck. passengers stuck on a plane for more than seven hours and they had an unlikely ally pleading for help. how can you get back pain relief that lasts up to 16 hours? with thermacare heatwraps. thermacare works differently. it's the only wrap with patented heat cells that penetrate deep to relax, soothe, and unlock tight muscles for up to 16 hours of relief. that's 8 hours while you wear it, plus an additional 8 hours of relief after you take it off. can your patch,

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we haven't had a gold-backed dollar now for about 40 years since our friend, mr. nixon. i don't think that's can be correlated with anything very much. we are certainly not going to be is v. a gold-backed dollar ever again. we have to deal with the situation as it is. which is we do know one thing for sure. we are running deficits unsustainable. that's got to stop. that's the only thing we know for sure. >> ben, i disagree with you wholeheartedly on the tax issue. i agree with you on cutting spending. absolutely necessary. great to see you my friend. >> great to see you. >> pinheads and patriots on deck. passengers stuck on a plane for more than seven hours and they had an unlikely ally pleading for help. we will tell you who next. congralations. today, the city of charlotte can use verizon technology to inspire binesses to conserve energy and monitor costs. making communities greener... congratulations. ... and buildings as valuable to the bottom line... whoa ! ... as the people inside them. congratulations. because when you add verizon to your company, you don't just

i would also like to say that barry goldwater i barry told mr. nixon that he could not hold the south for him or make sure the south would stay for him. they asked him to resign instead of be impeached. thank you. >> franklin, thank you. >> this stuff about how barry goldwater could have miraculously when the vietnam war. the united states paid over the entirety of a land mass of north and south vietnam with a quarter inch of steel. i think it is a fantasy. a pleasant one, but it is a good position. >> we just have one minute or two left. id barry goldwater view's change as he got over? >> his basic core philosophy and the way he looked at life and politics. i have had battles and op-ed pages where people are like, he got senile and it turned liberal at the end. he did not. he was always wassmall l libertarian. freedom of choice whether it was abortion, gay rights, or any number of things carry he was totally consistent his entire life. >> i agree with that. any question about any time. in his life when you look at what his position was and ask a quest

geostrategic reasons, opposed to bringing them -- well, i was opposed to the trip to china when mr. nixon was there, what we did, and i didn't like what carter did dumping taiwan, and i went into the white house, there was a communique, a different communique, and i said, you know, i'm suspicious of china in terms of -- i do believe the chinese see themselves as replacing the united states. they will play the role in the 21st century that america played in the 20th century. i think they see that, and so i think we have been building them up. where did they get the $3 trillion, ralph? they have cash reserves. >> host: wal-mart. >> guest: wal-mart. i'm more apprehensive with them. we don't want a war or conflict with them, and the way reagan managed the cold war, but i think they have ambitions. they said get out the taiwan straight, and the south china sea and the loc. these are our tear tore your waters. >> host: what if they had aircraft carriers off long island sound. >> guest: in the gulf of mexico, yeah. we'd be miffed. >> host: let me go through some things in the book. iran, you deb

mr. nixon, where do you stand on the program? where do you stand? say -- >> you know something, richard nixon has not won an election on his own in 18 years. let's keep a good thing going. >> those were campaign commercials for the 1968 campaign as we talk about hubert h. humphrey, feature contender in our series on 14 men who lost the election but changed history. we are live from the minnesota history center. this is a special exhibit they are doing in 1968 which i am told will travel to other cities. >> chicago for sure, and i believe atlanta or charlotte as well. >> chicago is certainly appropriate as we talk about this. >> it is time to talk about the fall campaign. juan williams on my left and mick caouette on my right. both have written a number of books about the civil rights era. in the fall campaign, we have wallace, nixon, and hubert humphrey all fighting for the white house. we had riots in the spring, did they continue? >> there was some rioting that persisted. it was not of the major kind of smoke in the sky variety that we saw earlier

mrs. nixonerful and very jazzy and she worked with saks fifth avenue a lot. what she is not as well-known for is first tours for the handicapped of the white house. first candle tours of the working class people could go and see the decorations. she changed the way people experienced the white house. >> then you had the reagan years. that was a lot of glamour. >> a lot of glamour. a little bit of hollywood at the white house. mrs. reagan also decorated with a lot of gold. she liked to have celebrity santas. larry hagman was here one year. >> we have a picture of mr. tate. she's sitting on his lap. >> he went to the white house one year. what could be fupier than that. what's wonderful is the presidential -- the official moments and also the private moments. that's what's really special. getting to see the first family celebrate christmas. >> the clinton years. she was inspired by the nutcracker, wasn't it? >> mrs. kennedy did the nutcracker first and it kind of an homage to mrs. kennedy, mrs. cl

line in his own words, in '68 he went to president johnson with a message from richard nixon saying mr. nixonf asking him not to intercede on behalf of hubert humphrey. i think after that, he repented if that's the right word. but definitely a man over the decades who had a very -- always among the most admired people in america in every poll every year. >> no doubt about it. have they ever heard of billy graham in tennessee? >> i believe they have. >> i believe they have. >> not vanderbilt. >> anybody who has lived in the southeast -- we were talking about this too, everybody in the southeast knows for so many southerners for a generation, from my grandmom, my parents, everybody, billy graham is like our pope. >> jimmy carter taught graham -- he was brilliant at mastering every element of media. and they would do films where he couldn't go and someone would lead a conversation about it. jimmy carter was the explicator. >> there you go. >>> all right. chuck todd -- >> what does that word mean? >> chuck todd is next. we'll be right back with more "morning joe." down the hill? man: all right. w

i would also like to say that i think barry goldwater told mr. nixon that he could not hold the south for him or make sure the south would stay for him. they asked him to resign instead of be impeached. thank you. >> franklin, thank you. >> this stuff about how barry goldwater could have miraculously when the vietnam war. the united states paid over the entirety of a land mass of north and south vietnam with a quarter inch of steel. i think it is a fantasy. a pleasant one, but it is a glib position. >> we just have one minute or two left. did barry goldwater view's change as he got older? >> his basic core philosophy and the way he looked at life and politics. i have had battles and op-ed pages where people are like, he got senile and it turned liberal at the end. he did not. he was always a small l libertarian. freedom of choice whether it was abortion, gay rights, or any number of things. he was totally consistent his entire life. >> i agree with that. any question about any time period in his life when you look at what his position was and ask a que

i would also like to say that i think barry goldwater told mr. nixonld not hold the south for him or make sure the south would stay for him. they asked him to resign instead of be impeached. thank you. >> franklin, thank you. >> this stuff about how barry goldwater could have miraculously when the vietnam war. the united states paid over the entirety of a land mass of north and south vietnam with a quarter inch of steel. i think it is a fantasy. a pleasant one, but it is a glib position. >> we just have one minute or two left. did barry goldwater view's change as he got older? >> his basic core philosophy and the way he looked at life and politics. i have had battles and op-ed pages where people are like, he got senile and it turned liberal at the end. he did not. he was always a small l libertarian. freedom of choice whether it was abortion, gay rights, or any number of things. he was totally consistent his entire life. >> i agree with that. any question about any time period in his life when you look at what his position was and ask a question of whe

mrs. oswald tried to keep her husband from going after nixon and also stopped him from going after a rightson. is it possible that one of the reasons why the american liberals don't accept this, a lot of them over the years, like oliver stone, they just can't stand the idea that a hard lefty killed a guy they loved? >> that's exactly right. a lot of people said who would want to kill walker and john f. kennedy, it doesn't make any sense, but from oswald's point of view they were a lot closer. >> nixon, anyone anti-castro was his enemy. >> absolutely. >> i think we've figured this out. >> you've done the work and i've been working thon for a while. thanks so much. "jfk, the lost bullet" airs again this coming sunday morning november 27th, by the way, on the national geographic channel. check listings for times. >> coming up, thoughts on what happened that fateful day 40 years ago in dallas. you're watching "hardball," only on msnbc. ttd# 1-800-345-2550 instead of trying to understand what you really need. ttd# 1-800-345-2550 ttd# 1-800-345-2550 at charles schwab, we provide ttd# 1-800-345-2

mrs. king had made the call, he was put in jail, brought to another jail, and no one knew if he was in extreme danger, and this was during the '60 campaign. kennedy did something that nixon really turned the black vote around. >> he did something, and it's always hard to know -- you never know what impulse in people makes them do the right thing at the right moment. he gets a call. what happened is mrs. king called her friend harris wattford, graduated from howard university law school as well as yale, really good guy, and louie martin, a great friend, a business guy from chicago, very active in the civil rights movement. they were working together with kennedy. they got to sarge shriver, and he got to kennedy. mrs. king was scared to death. she was pregnant at the time. her husband had been arested on a hopped-up charge, hauled into the backwoods the georgia, she was scared to death he was going to get lynched. she called her friends, they went to the president, the president made the call to mrs. king expressing his sympathy for her, and then he got bobby, very resistant -- you talk about being resistant, his first impulse was we're blowing this campaign. he got ahold

mr. hoover. >> boy. they didn't like each other. >> not at all. >> who didn't show him with the kennedys, with the roosevelt, with nixon?s he collected to hold power over presidents. >> he had files on lot of people. and there was great curiosity about these files. in fact, even a after he passed away, the congressional committees were interrogating helen gandy to find out what happened. >> his long-time secretary. >> right. his long-time secretary. and why she had destroyed the files and nobody ever will know. he was a man of mystery. >> a man obsessed with secrecy. if you look at the film, it's almost a story of interlocking love stories. >> it's absolutely beautiful, mother. >> with his mother. with helen gandy, the secretary of 40 years. with hoover, with clyde tolson's assistant. and he had a few relationships that lasted his whole life. >> he probably didn't trust a lot of people. but those people, he did have a way of instilling loyalty in people. and tolson became his inseparable pal. >> i know you say you're agnostic as whether or not it's a gay relationship between tolson and hoover. but it's so clear they wer

mr. george wallace. is his shooter still in prison? did they gas him or was he shot? >> arthur bremer was the very mentally disturbed young man who shot governor wallace. they actually wanted to shoot president nixon, but he could not get close enough to president nixon. he essentially was released. he is now, after many years -- i cannot remember the exact date, -- >> 2007. >> i remember i was approached in 1999 about eight statement for his parole hearing. he was turned down at that time. is only in the last four years after all those years that he has been released. >> let's go back to 1965. george wallace is governor. he is living here at this governor's mansion in montgomery, alabama. governor martin lived -- rev. martin luther king had been pastor of a church at one block from the alabama state capital. there are marches from selma to montgomery. very quickly, dr. carter, why are these marches happening and what were their defects? >> the broader context was a voter registration effort on the part of african-americans. there were a whole series of these violent incidents. there was an assault on some demonstrators in marion, alabama in which one young man was killed by a state trooper. that

mr. chief justice the garrison and conduct in a political question analysis that is for the court to decide to decide the scope. data within nixonagainst united states and mccormick says and that in answering those questions we think the court will have gone a long way to determining the question -- the >> why not all the way. >> this court decides to the president that it's all over. does the president had this authority. the political question seems to be a subterfuge because if there is a school commitment to the president, that's the industry. >> well, i do think that with respect to the first baker fact turkoman textual commitment is a factor that the court has indicated is one that can make to the conclusion that it's a political question. i do think the court has to go through the analysis. at the end of the day, there may not be much of a difference. >> advance on the question and to decide whether it's a political question or not you have to identify the question. if the question is whether the president has exclusive authority with respect to the form of acute vision of a foreign country, that might be one thing. what

nixon was an extremist? he wants to repeal a very important rule that's going to clean up the air, that's going to reduce toxic soot, toxic poissopoison soot. let me say this. mr. president, i know all of us, 100 of us in this chamber would condemn it if somebody took all their garbage and put it on the lawn of the next-door neighbor. that's what this cross-air pollution rule is about. it's about states that don't crack down on pollution, they have smokestacks that blow over the pollution into other states and they say, isn't it wonderf wonderful? we don't really have any problem here. it's your problem. when i said this analogy, senator carper corrected me. he said, well, you're right. it is a good analogy as far as it goes. but garbage isn't usually poison. so i'll amend my analogy to say this: if we knew someone a had garbage that included poison and they took that garbage that included poison and put it on someone else's front lawn, that would be a terrible thing to do and it would be the moral responsibility of that party to clean it up and not do it again. and that's what this rule is about. now, i want to talk about specifics rather than the vague. this

mr. chairman. at a 2008 june 2008 presidential debate then candidate obama received a question about president bush's use of executive privilege. president obama responded and i'm quoting, you know, as i recall, richard nixon mounted similar arguments. that's not how we operate. we're a nation of laws and not men and women. so, you know, that is the precedent i don't mind living with as president of the united states, end quote. since we first began our investigation back in february we worked diligently with our friends across the aisle and everyone involved. we've tried to be cooperative, thoughtful and thorough in conducting oversight that our constituents would deem worthy of the responsibilities that they have given us. however, without any real explanation, this administration has continually delayed the release of pertinent information that is required in order to conduct a systemic and comprehensive review. the american people have the right to know. they expect us to get to the bottom of the solyndra issue. i yield back. >> gentlelady from the virgin islands is recognized for one minute. >> thank you, mr. chairman. the white house already agreed to cooperate with the committee on this investigatio

mr. george wallace. is his shooter still in prison? did they gas him or was he shot? >> arthur bremer was the very mentally disturbed young man who shot governor wallace. they actually wanted to shoot president nixon, but he could not get close enough to president nixon. he essentially was released. he is now, after many years -- i cannot remember the exact date -- >> 2007. >> i remember i was approached in 1999 about a statement for his parole hearing. he was turned down at that time. it is only in the last four years after all those years that he has been released. >> let's go back to 1965. george wallace is governor. he is living here at this governor's mansion in montgomery, alabama. reverend martin luther king had been pastor of the dexter avenue baptist church, which is one block from the alabama state capital. there are marches from selma to montgomery. very quickly, dr. carter, why are these marches happening and what were their effect? >> the broader context was a voter registration effort on the part of african-americans. there were a whole series of these violent incidents. there was an assault on some demonstrators in marion, alabama in which one young man was killed by a state trooper

mr. george wallace. is his shooter still in prison? did they gas him or was he shot? >> arthur bremer was the very mentally disturbed young man who shot governor wallace. they actually wanted to shoot president nixon, but he could not get close enough to president nixon. he essentially was released. he is now, after many years -- i cannot remember the exact date -- >> 2007. >> i remember i was approached in 1999 about eight statement for his parole hearing. he was turned down at that time. it is only in the last four years after all those years that he has been released. >> let's go back to 1965. george wallace is governor. he is living here at this governor's mansion in montgomery, alabama. reverend martin luther king had been pastor of a church one -- the dexter avenue baptist church, which is one block from the alabama state capital. there are marches from selma to montgomery. very quickly, dr. carter, why are these marches happening and what were their defects? -- of that? -- affect? >> the broader context was a voter registration effort on the part of african-americans. there were a whole series of these violent incidents. there was an assault on some demonstrators in marion, alabama in which