mr. weisselberg. the prosecutors in mr. vance's office have obtained a full picture of his financial situation. they have gotten his personal tax returns. what it looks like is they are finding out everything they can find out about mr. weisselberg. so this stage they have reached, the evidence they're hearing in the grand jury, just gives us that confidence to be able to report that. >> one thing that happens with especially a paper that's as widely read and studied as "the new york times" is people debate what things mean online and the comments, et cetera. now we get to just ask you. so when i read this line in "the lead," setting up, quote, the possibility he could face charges this summer, does that mean the charges are more likely than not? >> i always think questions like that are interesting. we report what we know. so what we read in "the lead" is what is true. the office appears to have entered the final stages of the investigation. he could face charges as soon as this summer. at this point

mr. weisselberg to cooperate with their investigation. is standard practice with prosecutors, they are trying to bring leverage against mr. weisselberg by examining his own conduct, and so they have dug into his financial history, his tax records, his banking records. they've closely scrutinized what are fringe benefits the trump organization has provided, and they seem to be looking at whether or not he has declared those benefits as income. and, you know, these are not a lot of these cases that are made, but they're clearly looking to put some pressure on mr. weisselberg to get him to cooperate with their investigation. >> so a couple of things. i haven't read your report because this is all happening just while i've been on the air. the fringe benefits, do you know what those are and also, i know in the past there had been reporting about possibly them looking at his -- weisselberg's son or other members of his family. i'm wondering if that is part of that, as well. >> we don't -- we haven't reported and we don't believe that they're a

mr. weisselberg when it was convenient for both of them. 's a charge and indictment against weisselberg, what's going to happen in your view, and do you think mr. weisselberg could change his mind? >> absolutely, again, it is distinction between the investigation and indictment, and it is not just the indictment of allen, it is indictment of his sons as well. both of them had involvement with the trump organization, barry as an employee, jack as part of ladder capital, but again, it is not just weisselberg. you have calamari being looked at for the same allegations brought against weisselberg. >> catching people up, former bodyguard and executive who is also according to "the wall street journal" under the same scrutiny. >> that's exactly correct, when it comes to having rent free apartments and vehicles, being involved in other aspects of the trump organization which the d.a. is seriously looking at. on top of that, let's not forget, jeff mcconney, assistant controller, works specifically for weisselberg. he's already been before the grand

mr. weisselberg and mr. trump will both have to decide how they're going to proceed and of course there will be considerable pressure on mr. weisselberg whether there is an indictment or not to cooperate in order to secure leniency going forward. >> doctor over to you. 72-degree night and midtown manhattan this evening. if you had windows open, it was almost impossible not to hear fireworks. obviously a major celebration. 74 cents threshold and new york. our role however is that of joy killers. what worries you even having reached this 70% threshold? >> yeah brian so first of all it needs to be said that compared to a year ago this has been a remarkable turnaround however, i think almost everybody in my line of work is saying okay for optimism but how about a little caution thrown in there as well? and there's a couple of problems we need to face brian and one of them is this so called delta variants which arose in southeast asia and has now become a problem in the united kingdom and is about 10% of the covi

mr. weisselberg and mr. calamari were doing regarding the taxation payments of taxes? major thing that went on in the company. not hiring of people or paying bills and things like that but if you were talking about making decision about giving away valuable things, to employees or making a decision about reporting your value of your properties, one thing for taxing it and another thing to insurance, that didn't just happen. trump approved that. >> what about this idea of giving fringe benefits? in your view, what was the purpose of handing out so many really expensive fringe benefits to the point where they would even need to be taxed? >> for one thing, it kept salaries down, so he could say that he's paying so much money but instead he's giving away all these valuable things because you look at what they say, weisselberg made and how he lives, there's something wrong with that. trump wants to garner loyalty and when he gives you something, he thinks it's going to make you more loyal to him. for one thing he can take away, that's especially true when he talks about emp

mr. weisselberg. i am sure the questions being asked is focused on weisselberg. >> let me ask you that, i know the da's office has been digging into weisselberg. so weisselberg, they have been looking at his personal finances and benefits into his son, barry, who's another long time employee of the trump's orb. how much of all of this we are seeing is aimed on weisselberg? >> investigations are conducted in secrets. there are a significant amount of mr. weisselberg and the district attorney's office's effort to get him to cooperate standard law enforcement tactic. they put pressure on witnesses they think can serve as a guide for them through a complicated case. a lot of different financial issues they are focused on involving the company and they want to get him to play ball with him and push forward the agenda. >> stay with me, william. he served the special council of the impeachment trial of former president trump and harry littman, the attorney general. thank you to both of you joining the convers

mr. weisselberg is under intense scrutiny.t it would be certainly premature to think it would happen and investigators believe now he's not. >> josh, excellent reporting, as usual. thank you very much. >>> let's get analysis from the state attorney for palm beach county down in florida. thanks for joining us. how happy should former president trump be that we weisselberg is still showing up at his office at trump tower in manhattan? >> yeah, that was a birthday present for donald trump. right now it easy for allen weisselberg to play hard to get with state prosecutors in manhattan. he hasn't been charged with any crimes yet but that could change. he better not over play his hand. you're dealing with a district attorney in cyrus vance junior who is retiring and this is his legacy issue. he wants decisions before he leaves office. he's determined because he wants to go get trump's taxes twice before the u.s. supreme court. this is a three-year investigation and so if you're allen weisselberg, be careful because this office is ta

mr. weisselberg. sometimes people who are targets want to actually see the proof of the piece of paper that charges them. they don't believe threats and they want to see what it actually is. but it depends on his personality and the level of loyalty also. >> the earlier he agrees to coop cooperate, the better it is for him in case he is charged with any crime. >> yeah, absolutely. at the end of the day, people who committed crimes face a penalty. and one of the things that judges look at in deciding what the penalty should be in connection with cooperating witnesses who plead kguilty is how early they came in, how quickly they pled guilty, how much remorse they have, how they tried to offset their bad conduct by helping prosecutors giving them substantial assistance and helping them hold other people accountable. all that goes into the mix. timing is not the most important thing, it is not the only thing, but it is one of the things. >> what happens, you know, andrew, if he decides not to cooperate? >

mr. weisselberg's personal tax returns, providing the fullest picture yet of his finances. cyrus vance is putting tremendous pressure on weisselberg with the hope of ultimately flipping him against his boss, and that would be donald trump. joining me now is neil katyal and glenn kushner. i'm going to start with you. this is apparently focused on whether or not mr. weisselberg failed to pay taxes on valuable benefits that trump provided him and his family over the years for the "times" story, including apartments and leased cars worth tens of thousands of dollars in private school tuition for at least one of his grandchildren. why should trump care about that? if mr. weisselberg was getting the gifts and not paying his taxes, what does that have to do with donald trump? >> it will add additional leverage to, hopefully, develop weisselberg as a cooperating against trump. when i read this reporting, the other thing it indicates to me is that allen weisselberg is resisting becoming a cooperating witness because he was already in the prosecutorial fold, everything would have gone

mr. weisselberg because mr. weisselberg is one member of that small circle of trust. it's not just that the circle of trust is small that makes it difficult for the prosecutors, it's also that former president trump has over his course of business been really reticent to document his doings in email. he famously doesn't email. he doesn't write things down. so it's really mr. weisselberg who has been the eyes and ears of this whole operation that can provide the information to link any misdoings to trump. that's really what's needed here. if weisselberg isn't talking, it's going to be very difficult to get the goods to prove intent on the part of trump. >> yeah. michael, this "journal" story again shows all the different ways that the probe is going forward, because we've had all these drips of news from the grand jury being impanelled to who's facing it. matthew calamari, prosecutors have an interest in him, once a bodyguard, alleging that the practice of providing employees with cars and apartments extends beyond weisselberg and also extends to whether this was, mich

mr. weisselberg worked for trump for a long time.ump organization. he serves in a high position. he is the chief financial officer. he is involved in a lot of sensitive internal workings of the trump organization and was a key player according to michael coe cohen and others. a key player in how mr. cohen was reimbursed for the hush money payments to stormy daniels. so, that puts him as clearly someone in a position of trust and in the inner circle for a lack of a better term. >> all right. thank you so much for making the time. >> thanks for having me on. >> all right. coming up, over a quarter of the states in the union have hit the president's 70% vaccination milestone, but will the rest of the country catch up by the fourth of july goal? andy slavitz joins me. don't go anywhere. slavitz join. don't go anywhere. spray, lift, skip, step. swipe, lift, spin, dry. slam, pan, still...fresh move, move, move, move aaaaand still fresh. degree. ultimate freshness activated when you move. [sfx: psst psst] allergies don't have to be scary.ti

mr. weisselberg and a few have been the linchpins of that for a long time.thout him, it is inevitably going to make it much more difficult to if they are not getting what they want to get through. >> all right. josh and and adam, when those charges are filed tomorrow, we will bring you that news. thank you for your time. >>> meanwhile, former president donald trump is going to be in texas this morning to look at the border wall. he is raising private donations to see how his politicians are not just surviving, but thriving. joining us at the border, and to talk about the politics of this, and governor greg abbott had a challenger, until that wall started to be built. >> yes, according to a quinnipiac poll, it is very popular. >> reporter: yes, we are expecting the former president here to speak alongside texas governor greg abbott who came from the department of public safety where he got the officials, and geoff, they are saying that the texas governor has set aside $250 million taxpayer money, and democrats are saying that one, the state of texas and they

mr. weisselberg and the company. a lawyer will appear and they'll enter a not guilty plea and that'll start the case and the case will proceed and there are things like discoveries and things like that. >> you say it is routine. the thought of the company's side is something begun you in our coverage literally wrote the memo and we dive into that. before i bring in nick and i want you to walk us into it more. donald trump is so synonymous in the trump organization in name and likeness and brand. he argued that the trump organization in his view is a success and he says he's good at what he does and he makes deal and makes money and he hid the documentation breaking with all candidates with both parties which raised the question why. the answer for that would be that in some ways the da alleges that the company may also make mumbai defrauding and stealing it. money that was not his property would instead count as profit. is that right? what does it mean for the corporate side tomorrow? >> every case is a big deal for

mr. weisselberg. and both sides seem to agree that one goal would be to get him to flip and cooperate. do you think that could change? >> i absolutely do think it can change. i do think it can change. yes. i was wrong to think that he would flip. but now that i think about it, it makes perfect sense to me, ari. because he lives in a bubble where donald promises him everything and everything he's ever promised him has been true. and i do believe that he -- i do believe they're paid by trump and that if they promise things by donald and the family in order to make sure that him and his family are taken care of. but the x factor for me, and this is something the d.a. and i are continuing to discuss, with my attorney, is that there are things that allen is not aware of. he can try to control all he wants inside the organization by going to work every day, but there are things that he does not know about. there are things that might surprise him about his own child. he is blind to the fact that he believes everything that donald promised him and everything his sons are telling him. and i ha

mr. weisselberg is facing. there you have it. >> neil: we'll watch it closely. a lot of years, paperwork and millions of dollars. you know a lot of people are saying is this the end result? it is odd. we'll know tomorrow. this did get leaked out today on the same day that the president was at the border saying that his successor screwed things up. we're there after this. >> i mean, the real question is, do they really want open borders or are they incompetent? you've been taking mental health meds, and your mind is finally in a better place. except now you have uncontrollable body movements called tardive dyskinesia - td. and it can seem like that's all people see. some meds for mental health can cause abnormal dopamine signaling in the brain. while how it works is not fully understood, ingrezza is thought to reduce that signaling. ingrezza is a prescription medicine used to treat adults with td movements in the face and body. people taking ingrezza can stay on their current dose of most mental health meds. don't take ingrezza if you're allergic to any of its in

mr. weisselberg has worked for trump for a long time. member of the trump organization. he serves in a high position. he's the chief financial officer. he's involved in a lot of sensitive, internal workings of the trump organization. he was a key player, according to michael cohen and others. in court papers that have been filed, was a key player in how mr. cohen was reimbursed for the hush money payments to stormy daniels. so, that puts him in -- clearly he someone who was in a position of trust. and in the inner circle, for a lack of a better term. >> all right william k. rashbaum, thank you so much for making time. >> thank you for having me on. >> all right, coming up over a quarter of the state in the union have hit the president 70% vaccination milestone. but will the rest of the country catch up for the 4th of july goal, andy slavitt joins me, don't go anywhere. where. do you have a life insurance policy you no longer need? now you can sell your policy, even a term policy, for an immediate cash payment. call coventry direct to lea

mr. weisselberg was the focus of the -- this phase of the investigation., it's really not new that the trump organization could face criminal charges. under criminal law, if a high-managerial agent in the state of new york criminal law, engages in criminal conduct. then, the corporation will, also, face criminal conduct. so, while there's a degree of -- of -- of -- of timing and imminence to what we're hearing. nothing new, from what we've heard before. >> but the -- in terms of what the actual charges are. when we say, like, untaxed benefits. what's the -- what's the -- what's the law they break? what's the criminal transgression? just explain it to us. >> right. so -- so, let me preface it by saying this. if you are inside one of these investigations, and you're going in the grand jury and it's a big press case. you come home every night. you listen to what the people in the news have to say and they are, almost always, wrong. so, let's agree that, whatever we say -- and we'll go from there. >> right. well, that's -- that's actually important because i s

mr. weisselberg directly. grand jury, immunize him and compel his testimony. there are a number of ways to get to the truth. flipping a recals trant witness is one of them. but there are other ways to get to the same place. >> let me play something that someone you and i both know, daniel goldman, said tonight about this case. >> it's interesting and not surprising that they would approach the trump organization to tell them that they are considering to charge them because that would be almost a death blow to the trump organization. every single bank would call their loans if the organization is indicted. there is no way that the trump organization has enough capital to pay off all of their loans. >> chuck, less than a minute remaining. i share, of course, as a civilian, had not thought of that. do you concur? >> yeah, i wish i was half as smart as dan goldman. charging a corporation can be cataclysmic for the corporation. think about arthur anderson in 2001 when it was charged as part of the enron scandal. da

mr. wee weisselberg, private school tuition could be harder to explain.ing off a pressure campaign trying to get him to flip on former president trump, to share what he knew about what was going on behind closed doors at the trump organization. the big question i keep getting is will the former president be charged? based on our reporting, there is no indication the former president or any member of his family will be charged. we know this investigation is active and ongoing. they will continue to pressure weisselberg. we know there are other trump organization executives also under scrutiny. they too will continue to be pressured to provide what they know. at this point no indication of charges but this is just the first step in this ongoing investigation. >> you mentioned first step and the unusual nature of charging a corporation criminally, which leads to the question is this a marker? what are sources s saying about additional charges down the road? >> we know they will continue to investigate people specifically. we know one executive, a former secu

mr. weisselberg may face. he may have been immunized already.matically. so in the federal system sometimes there is jockeying for that kind of bargain. new york law, which is really tough on prosecutors this way, says anybody you bring to the grand jury automatically receives immunity. now, they could say they could take the fifth and stay out. but if they come in, they are immunized. so you can conclude that he came in voluntarily. he knows he is not under any jeopardy, but he had to tell the whole truth. and what it says more than anything is there is zeroing in like a laser and, like you say, abc reported he already was there probably even before the special grand jury. if that's true, they already were, but in any event they are right now zeroing in like a laser on the somewhat lonely figure of 73-year-old allen weisselberg. >> and my colleague ari melber has featured allen weisselberg's ex-daughter-in-law on several occasions to talk about the pressure points for mr. weisselberg. let me read some of what mr. mcconney could speak to. the tim

mr. weisselberg appears to have rebuffed mr. vance's office and continues to work at the trump organization. do you think he'll remain loyal to trump? >> things change, don, when you find yourself on the other end of an indictment. i've seen plenty of cases where i worked where somebody swore, i'm not cooperating, i'm not interested, but when you show up with an indictment, that can change minds pretty quickly. weisselberg has a little bit of a history here. he cooperated somewhat with the federal government back in the hush money payments case. the southern district of new york gave him an immunity deal. meaning, we give you your testim -- give us your testimony, we won't charge you. they didn't end up charging anybody but michael cohen based on this investigation. so he sort of cooperated with the feds, and whether that's a positive or negative indicator as to whether he'll cooperate with state authorities, i guess, remains to be seen. >> that's what i was going to ask, do you think he's looking at michael cohen and saying, th

mr. weisselberg has been under pressure.he knows about any alleged criminal activity. no sfar, he's told prosecutors e will not flip. tomorrow, if and when he is charged, he will have a chance to look at the evidence, strength of the case and actually filing charges has way of changing people's minds. unless they can get wieeisselbe or other executives to cooperate, this investigation has been going on for years. there's no indication any member of his family will be charged any time soon. >> what happens next? >> this investigation is active and ongoing. we know there's other people urpd -- under scrutiny. they are been under scrutiny for prosecutors. he could be charge t at some point raising the question will he cooperate. if prosecutors can get more cooperating witnesses or gather more evidence they may be in a position to charge other people. we know that's what they will be doing. at this point, no indication the former president will be charged but investigators are still at at. >> thank you so much. appreciate it. yo

mr. weisselberg and a trump organization representative, both of whom declined to comment. -law, divorced in 2018. jennifer turned over documents and has been interviewed by the manhattan d.a.'s office. and you have apiered on the show. i welcome you back. are you still in touch with investigators? have you been told whether or not they may be close to some kind of action this summer? >> i did meet again with investigators recently. >> and can you share anything about a timeline? >> no. what goes on inside the investigation, the timeline, and you know, i have been asked and i will abide by the fact that specific questions, topics, information that's being discussed, it's really important that i keep it private. and discreet. >> okay. i do get that. how about this? have you been asked to appear before the grand jury? >> i prefer not to comment. >> okay. how about this? your former father-in-law continues to work at the trump organization, and the times says for now, he appears to have rebuffed attempts to cooperate with prosecutors. in your opinion, why hasn't he? >> it does

mr. weisselberg. they believe he still maintains close contact with former president trump and on a recent morning my colleague saw him drive his bmw into trump tower. he's going there almost every day. right now it looks there's a crescendo coming in the upcoming days on various investigatory fronts in new york. >> joyce, if we go back in time and we look at everything we know prosecutors have, explain why they need weisselberg's cooperation with all of the paper that they have in front of them. >> the key inflection point in cases of fraud is proving knowledge and intent on the part of defendants. it's easier to go after the corporation. i suspect we'll see that if an indictment is handed down here. but cy vance and letitia james have a treasure-trove of documents. they still need someone, though, who can put knowledge and intent in the mind of the president. and who better than weisselberg, who has been with him for decades, who likely knows where all of the bodies are buried, and can talk about th

mr. weisselberg, i don't need to cast any aspersions on that man, i don't know if you will tell the truthf he would lie. but charging the corporation is probably not enough if he did something wrong to get him to own up to what he did. and so, there are other options for prosecutors. perhaps they have a case against miso weisselberg directly. if not, they can always put him in the grand jury, indian my son and compel his testimony. they're a number of ways to get to the truth. flipping a recalcitrant witness is one of them, but there are many ways to get to the same place. >> let me play something that someone you and i both know, daniel goldman said tonight about this them. >> it's interesting and not surprising that they would approach the organization to tell them that they're considering to charge them because that would be almost a death blow to the trump organization. every single bank would call their loans if the trump organization is indicted. there is no way that the trump organization has enough capital to pay off all their loans. >> some chuck, less than a rib minute remaining

mr. weisselberg, in an attempt to get him to cooperate in the investigation and potentially provide testimonyso this is quite significant just given the nature of the crimes that are being alleged and the people who they're calling to testify. >> yeah, and you say alleged. it's important to point out no charges have been filed against anyone in the trump organization. barbara, you worked in the trump organization for 18 years. who is jeffrey mcconney? what's his role in the company and his relationship with allen weisselberg. >> when i worked back there, i worked on a california project, i was a consultant at the end of my tenure, and jeff was a young accountant. we had occasion to talk to him once in a while. he would look at our expenses and things like that. he wasn't the controller. this is the first i'm hearing of it and i'm happy because i liked him a lot and i think he's a good man. but he was just doing pretty much journeyman work for allen. >> but do you know about his role now in the organization? was that when he was just starting out you said? >> it was basically when he was just

mr. weisselberg sounds like he has called their bluff, sounds like he's not cooperating, and it sounds like they're going to charge him, and they may charge him with more down the road. >> daniel goldman, what do you make about this news? >> i'm not doubting at all that what ron fischetti said is true. i also have done a trial against ron, who is an old time new york city lawyer, very good. but he's also a defense lawyer and likes to slant things in favor of his client. so i have some questions as to whether all we're talking about here are these fringe benefits. i would be very surprised if any prosecutor would move forward to indict a company based solely on that conduct. as dan alonzo notion very well because he wrote the memo for the manhattan d.a.'s office, you would need to show persistent and pervasive conduct. and i'm guessing there's more than these fringe benefits. but lawrence, let's underscore how serious an indictment is for a corporation, particularly like the trump organization. if the corporation is indicted, you can expect all of its lenders to call their loans, meaning the

mr. weisselberg's personal tax returns, providing the fullest picture yet of his finances.hool and she joins me now. rebecca, first, just your top line takeaway from "the times" reporting today. >> i think this is a really huge story. you know, there are two possibilities here. one is that -- and i think this is probably a pretty off chance, and that's that weisselberg is a rogue actor and he is embezzling from the company and if that's the case, and again i think that's probably not the case, but if that's the case, then he's not loyal to the company. he's not loyal to trump and he would flip in a second. now, far more likely than this is, look, this is the chief financial officer of this company. and so, you know, you said in the last segment you were plot up catholic. i was brought up jewish. this is like the chief rabbi being caught eating pork. who does that say about the congregation as a whole? clearly this is something that much more likely is -- runs throughout -- this is the way the company does business. if this is the way the company does business, then the manh

mr. weisselberg appear to be part of this pressure campaign to get him to flip against his former boss, formercates the former president will not be charged but this investigation is active and ongoing. >> all of this unfolding as the former attorney general of the united states bill barr is speaking out rather bluntly about his post-election rift with former trpresident trump. >> bar was seen as a trump loyalist to help his former boss but now eight months after the election, he's speaking out against trump's claims of voter fraud. >> we won the election twice. >> as former president trump continues the lie about the 2020 election. >> we have the crime of the century which i consider to be the election of 2020. >> reporter: his former attorney general is now speaking out against him. in a newly released book excerpt written by abc news reporter, barr saying he suspected trump's claim of widespread election fraud were all bs. my attitude was, it was put up or shut up time. if there was evidence of fraud, i had no motive to suppress it but my suspicion wa there was nothing there. it was all bs.

mr. weisselberg chooses not to assess the investigation into his boss, charges against him could portendr. trump, signaling that the prosecutors have identified what they believe is misconduct at his family business. and joining us now is daniel alonso, former federal prosecutor in the eastern district of new york. and more importantly tonight former chief of assistant district attorney in the manhattan district attorney's office. thank you very much for joining us once again tonight. what is your interpretation of this breaking news from the new york times? >> it's more of the same. we are seeing an advance of a criminal investigation that happens all the time in state court and federal court. when prosecutors have their eye on someone you sort of get this drip, drip, drip on what they're getting in and cases there's intense interest we're hearing about it. and so in ordinary cases we're hearing about it. but we heard today is that the actually now focusing on perhaps actually prosecuting, actually filing charges against weisselberg and they've got his personal tax return. now that does

mr. weisselberg appeared to concede he's about to be indicted on serious criminal tax felonies, all of which with respect to the trump organization -- i'm sorry. >> no. go ahead. >> yeah. with respect to the trump organization, they can be fined. they can be fined significantly, but it has greater ramifications than just the fines, because you've got creditors, you've got banks that have loaned money to the trump organization, all of them are going to get very skittish, are going to be worried about where the money is going to come from, whether or not the trump organization is going to be good on their debts, which could ultimately drive donald trump into another bankruptcy. and on top of all that, if this case goes to trial, which it may very well do, there's going to be a chance for the public to actually see some of these tax returns that donald trump has hidden from the voters when he first ran in 2016 and again refused to release while he was president and when he ran for reelection. >> i'm going to ask you regarding those potential charges over allegedly failing to pay taxes on perks.

the prof prosecutors have obtained mr weisselberg's personal tax returns, people said, providing the fullest picture yet of his finances. rebecca royfee is a former assistant district attorney in manhattan in that same office who worked in the very office that is investigating weisselberg and the trump organization. now a law professor at new york law school and she joins me now. rebecca, first just your sort of top line take away from the times reporting today. >> i think this is a really huge story. you know, there are two possibilities here. one is that, you know, and i think this is probably a pretty off chance and that's that weisselberg is a rogue actor and he's embezzling from the company. and if that's the case then again i think that's probably not the case, but if that's the case then you know he's not loyal to the company. he's not loyal to trump and he would flip in a second. now far more likely that than this is that, look, this is the chief financial officer of this company. and so you know you said in the last segment you were brought up catholic i was brought up jewis

mr. weisselberg's grandchildren reportedly as well as rent for an apartment, car leases.ization? >> not to the same extent as it is now. i mean trump gave things away, things that didn't cost him any money for instance. gm gave him a cadillac once. they expected him to drive it around. he gave it to an employee. when i was there, it was things like tickets to the games and things like that. it wasn't things like apartments. but the potential was there. i could see how trump would tell me, you know, offer this guy this or offer this guy that. he had that mind-set of what can i get, quid pro quo, and practiced it, but not on the same level as now. >> barbara res, we'll have to leave it there. thank you so much for your insights tonight. appreciate it. >> my pleasure. >>> coming up at the top of the hour, joshua johnson is live from the new york city pride celebration for "the week in pride." he'll be joined by representatives david cicilline and marie newman to discuss the equality act. and actress molly bernard on lgbtq+ representation. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty

mr. weisselberg's conduct has reached a new face.sity of alabama school of law. and david cay johnston, pulitzer prize-winning investigative reporter. he's the author of the making of donald trump. welcome to both of you. good to see you. let's start with you, david. you know the ends and outs of trump and the organization and the people who work for him. this is not a name. mcconney, that a lot of our viewers were bill familiar with. it is still a new an emerging name. who is this guy? >> this is a very small organization that donald trump runs at the time. directly under donald is his finance guy, allen weisselberg, who knows where all the bodies are buried and all the money is. and right beneath him is jeffrey mcconney. he has come before the grand jury, which under a new law new york law means he has immunity for anything he's testified about. transactional immunity. indicates that they are trying very hard to flip allen weisselberg, because that is where he would be most helpful to them, in all likelihood. what did allen weissel

mr. weisselberg who had been a big part of the trump organization. i want to play this sound from a member of his own family. and i want to get your thoughts on the other side about how much trouble trump could be in with not just weisselberg, but now having somebody else come forward who looks like they're going to flip on him. >> he started immediately hiding money in escrow. taxes, tax fraud, tax evasion. they don't -- they're not adding up. confidentially having them cut checks that would make him vulnerable to tax evasion, tax fraud, compensation, gift taxes. >> so we're hearing about tax evasion. we're hearing about the information that people may be giving up. what does it mean to have this many people coming forward? and what could mcconney add that we maybe didn't know immediately from weisselberg? >> it is exactly what nick said. we are in rico suave land. the trump organization is a criminal enterprise and that's how this comes down, right? they are pulling the tentacles of this criminal enterprise and looking for who they can charge. now,

mr. weisselberg and a trump organization representative, both of whom declined to comment. former u.s. attorney, legal columnist for the l.a. times and host of the talking feds podcast. i'm curious what you think allen weisselberg's role is in all of this is and do you think he could be the first one charged and if so, why? >> his role is as reported. he has been the cfo for many years. he knows where the bodies are buried. if anyone can stick trump with criminal charges, which the linchpin would be knowledge of the funky tax transactions, it would be. what's going on? well, it is the renewed interest, it all comes from this "new york times" article alex, and if you read it carefully, it says not a lot. it says he could face charges this summer. yes, and it could be a rainy summer, and it could be dry. but nevertheless, the fact that the times ran with it, it says to me that they have a sort of scoop on the inside from someone who has told them we really are coming to a close, and that makes sense, because cy vance, the d.a., will want to make all final charging decisions f

mr. weisselberg that he may have, according to investigators, lied about, defrauded the government about,nery by phone. john, are you there? >> yes, i am. good to talk to you. >> john, what does it mean when the "new york times" has multiple sources saying that the d.a. of new york thinks that they have the goods to indict donald trump's money man and that they could do so this summer, which is to say, soon? >> that means the pain is finally going to rain down on the trump organization, perhaps trump himself, perhaps starting with weisselberg. but you have to ask yourself whether or not weisselberg is necessary anymore, because they have had other witnesses before the grand jury, and we won't find that out. and summer is, what, ten days away? so, any time from then on, we could see some pretty dramatic charges brought. but you've been talking about this. we had the prosecutorial team. it's a trial team. we've been talking about their ability to interview witnesses before. we've seen a parade of witnesses come forward, always all around trump, like all around weisselberg but also around tr

mr. weisselberg to testify against trump in exchange for leniency.knowledge of the trump org, he's worked at the company for decades and one of the top executives when trump was in the white house would make his cooperation an enormous asset to the investigators looking at all aspects of that company. joining our conversation, tom winter. tom, we start with you and your reporting. what's the latest? >> a couple of different things. our understanding of this is this all began yesterday really in earnest when the trump organization attorneys met with eight or nine prosecutors from cy vance's office who is the attorney for the trump organization asking them don't file these charges against us. don't file the charges against the trump organization. the prosecutors and the manhattan district attorney's office are kind of circling tax evasion charges potentially against the company for benefits they were provided to allen weisselberg which they did not file the taxes for. that's against the law. that's ournsing is this will be filed next week. we don't flo

mr. allen weisselberg will be charged. you know allen obviously.ovided documents in this instance and in this case. there have been no indications based on our reporting that he is cooperating with the da's office. have you seen or heard anything that might contradict that? what is your sense on his front moving forward. >> it's unbelievable breaking news. in terms of flipping, i've been doing a lot of think being it and i think on his own taxes, he left himself in trouble but not the same trouble. the trump organization and to lead the grand jury through those documents would then incriminate his own sons and problematic for reasons that lead not into issues cash but possibly into issues that were going on in the white house that we can talk about it at another time. the trump org is really at the core of where he has to be honest and where there's a lot of criminal liability. >> do you think allen allen weisselberg is not cooperating because he's trying to protect his family and sons as well as former president donald trump? >> not exactly. i thi

mr. zucker weisselberg's operation for the election? >> i want to be clear, we as a county do look to supplement the funds that we don't receive from state and federal resources to host free and fair -- >> you solicited? i am trying to answer your question. >> you, the county election administrators solicited funds from private parties in the past to support the election operations? >> we don't solicit funds from private parties. >> okay. . let me park this. because we have limited time. i think it is interesting -- maybe something this committee should look into about how private party funds are used. we saw it in wisconsin, milwaukee, madison, racine, kenosha, green bay. they shared about $6.3 million in some of that federal funding as well. i think it's an opportunity for our committee to examine how those funds were used. in my short amount of time left let me shift gears. long island to ask a question of ms. titus. you have been very involved in promoting elections. you have looked at how hr-1 in particular i think in california ha

mr. trump? >> tonight, mike col00 on allen weisselberg and the trump org investigation, plus arizona secretary of state katie hobbs on the ongoing undermining of democracy in her state, and senator bernie sanders on what happens now that joe manchin did what joe manchin does. "all in" starts right now. >> good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. these days, the most optimistic thing you can say about the state of american democracy in this perilous moment is it hasn't given out yet, but its enemies are plotting in the open. we see it every day, and they will not stop until they either are successful or some of them are put in prison. i truly believe it. the leader of the nation's antidemocratic fashion made his re-emergence at the north carolina republican convention this weekend where he once again falsely claimed the 2020 election was stolen from him. >> that election will go down as the crime of the century, and our country is being destroyed by people who perhaps have no right to destroy it. >> now, his rambling speech was basically an afterthought. he's not in the position to pull the st

testifying before the grand jury and mcconney, and this week msnbc caught weisselberg. >> no comment. >> do you feel pressure from mr neil? >> yeah, so grand juries are secret. we're all trying to read tea leaves here. these tea leaves look really, really bad for donald trump and the trump organization. there is a very strong investigation going. how much is about the organization? how much is about trump and trump's kids who are rung the organization and if i'm any one of those entities i am quaking right now. this is very, very serious. >> fascinating. neil, always good to have you. everyone, you can find this and other katyal segments on "opening arguments" you can find me across social media on ari melber and connect with me on ari melber.com and when we come back, an update on maya wiley. stay restless, with the icon that does the same. the rx crafted by lexus. lease the 2021 rx 350 for $449 a month for 36 months. experience amazing at your lexus dealer. [sfx: psst psst] $449 a month for 36 months. allergies don't have to be scary. spraying flonase daily stops your body from overreacting to allergens all season

what does he privately think the likelihood is that allen weisselberg or mr.ll do the same? >> he thinks there's no -- they will flip. i actually spoke to him today. he says, look, when they bring the hammer, they bring the hammer. two things, i agree with neal obviously and every prosecutor that's been on here, this is the first step. they will continue to build a case. but even this step is devastating. it will really destroy the trump organization in that basically they won't be able to borrow money from banks. you can't have a real estate company not doing business with banks. an indicted company the banks walk away from. even this move before they go after trump personally will devastate him and his company. and then where i think this goes, i introduced this a couple of years ago is the rico, racketeering influence and corrupt organization act that i think they will eventually bring. that's what they do for mafia bosses, mafia companies where even if trump's fingerprints are not on every little thing, the organization comes back to him, he is the centerp

general reports it this way, weisselberg is expected to be charged this week, putting additional pressure on him to cooperate against his boss former president donald trump. mr. trump is expected to be at this time said his lawyer ronald fischetti. allen weisselberg's former daughter-in-law who's been cooperating herself with prosecutors, says they may take more than just being charged to get him to flip. >> i think you will hold until the very, very last minute. until he is either chomped buy something that they bring to the table, and he's got no choice. but i think that donald is probably promising him that he will be saved. something he is loyally, blindly, blindly loyal to. >> today, the former president again insisted the investigation was a partisan witch -- witch hunt. so his messaging remains to. same lawyers for his company denied any wrongdoing. meanwhile, we are getting extraordinary new details about the abrupt break between donald trump and his former attorney general bill barr. it is revelations come from jonathan carl of abc news is standing by to join us in a moment. in a series of interviews for his upcoming book which he details for the at

manhattan investigation closing in, allen weisselberg said what his criminal defense attorneys told him to say. >> no comment. >> do you feel pressure from mr from school, have no comment. >> "new york times" reports another subpoena to another trump executive with knowledge of the company. decision to subpoena mr. mcconney suggest it's a new phase with the grand jury hearing evidence about him. so-called fixer michael cohen told chris hayes what the pressure must feel like for allen weisselberg. >> they come with so much pressure and force. no matter when people say, oh, allen is not going to flip, this isn't about flipping. this is about telling the truth. >> joining our discussion, andrew weissman. as i was watching allen weisselberg today saying no comment, as instructed by his criminal defense attorneys, presumably, you get to see the man under pressure. in this instance, the pressure is actually being applied by the news media in that situation. but it's representative of the kind of pressure that surrounds a person like this in a high-profile, high-pressure case like this. >> well, you know, the fact that it's such a high-profile mat

general reports it this way, weisselberg is expected to be charged this week, putting additional pressure on him to cooperate against his boss former president donald trump. mraid his lawyer ronald fischetti. allen weisselberg's former daughter-in-law who's been cooperating herself with prosecutors, says they may take more than just being charged to get him to flip. >> i think you will hold until the very, very last minute. until he is either chomped buy something that they bring to the table, and he's got no