for all muslim societies. for instance, the indonesia mainly sunni muslim, while iran is shiite. >> rose: yeah. >> so not necessar and you know the history of the sunni and -- is quite bloody. >> rose: yes. >> so mayb we could be a model for some like malaia or even brune >> rose: what is the difference in juer of islam and the islamic defen fund? >> i think the biggest difference is in how we approach the relationship between islam and the modern and the current situation. i mean the liberal and the progressive muslim across the world, across the globe tend to see islam as a dynamic -- it's not a static and the way we understand islam is that islam is not one stop religion, it -- islam is a progressive message. it can, and it's able to respond to the current situation. and that is the difference between us and the fundamentalist the radical, the extraneous and the other side. they tend to see islam as static. >> rose: tt suggests there a differee between islam in indonesia and islam in saudi arabia. >> yes, c

times the moderates, the genuine muslim moderates are muslims who do not follow shari'a. they don't follow the koran, the hadith fundamentally to the t. i believe, fred, if you follow islam fundamentally, if you follow islam's cortex to the t, fundamentally you cannot be moderate because they are not moderate text. >> host: let's take a random example. you talk quite a bit about the somali communities in minneapolis and st. paul, growing which has now been proven to be actively recruiting young somali men to work for al-shabaab, a somalia terrorist organization and if you're a member of a mosque in the twin cities and you just believe what you just espoused, i'm going to take my faith and kind of hold it at arm's length, are you not an apostate? is that not a tough case to make in those mosque and in these enclave communities in many other places that you talk about here? how do you hold that view publicly and espouse it to others without some kind of reprisal from the religious infrastructure that you're part of? >> guest: fred, that's a great point and as you said, you

so there is an internal muslim problem that muslims need to address by themselves. it's not going to lp if it is tainted by some european assistce. that's the inside problem but muslims are not paying sufficient attention to that and i doelieve that american muslims can play the role of a talyst. and you know what, when i do my research in india and pakistan, i find people there telling me that you know the way forward is going to be that you people in the west, you muslims living in the west, in north america and europe, you guys might be pave approximating the way. i said really, do you really want us to show you the way, we have a different economic system, different experience. said you can say whatever you want but whatever light are you going to shine on kick-starting the tradition is going to help us. we might not take everything you say. but we are too caught up in our indonesian struggles. and the other thing, charlie that we have in this country. we have possibly the most extraordinary resources, literal resources on islam and muss lim societies that no ot

muslim holy month of ramadan begins this week. many christians see it as an opportunity to pray for the muslim world and launch their own 30-days of prayer and fasting. >> in august muslims around the world are observing their holy month of ramadan. it requires daily fasts of food and water. muslims see it as an opportunity to draw nearer to their god. dr. michael youssef. >> they want to know they can really relate to god. in islam you cannot relate to their god. he is so far removed. >> dr. youssef hosts a tv program called leading the way and broadcasts it into the muslim world. he said it is important for christians to pray for the muslims during ramadan. >> christians during the month of ramadan must pray for muslims to know god and become a reality. >> islam is a fast growing religion and 50 muslim majority countries in the world. people are oppressed by the strict interpretation of islamic law imposed on society. women suffer the worst treatment. >> women in islam are treated as half of a man. just by virtue of making a wom

maintain that muslims have no first amendment rights under the constitution as in stop muslims from building mosques and worshiping openly in the united states remember what herman cain said recently about the mosque controversy in murfreesboro tennessee. islam is both a religion and set of laws shari'a law that's the difference between in one of the other traditional religions where it's just about religious purposes that people in the community know best and i happen to sabah that people didn't get it so you're saying any community if they want to ban a mosque yes they have the right to do that it's apparently guy never heard of the ten commandments any how far it's news and conservative talk radio whipped up opposition to what they call the ground zero victory mosque a phrase by the way that's only ever been used by right wingers. the idea that our committed when they were serving overseas you toying with them and you could have put a monument to the terrorists at that site in nine eleven something. more expedient to build a. tells me to blow up america. i got a real problem that

the whole muslim obama is a muslim idea came from or the whole obama has anti-american beliefs idea came from . it is totally absurd it's beyond belief that a president of the united states would say that and it shows that obama might be might be the first anti-american president we've ever had i think having the people that barack obama has been associating with are anti-american by and large the people who are radical left that i'm focusing on morocco obama and the people that he's going to tell why do you let this happen i get a lot of people you fire when you're anti-american nature why i hate the united states for the record obama is a christian or muslim which brings us to the final strategy and it's weird that i even have to say that but you know about half of the republican party thinks it's muslim area which brings us to the final story and that's the one that's most pertinent to what we saw in norway strategy eight claim and unholy alliance that exists and includes muslims and other groups targeted by the right wing after all if you could prove an owner holy alliance and i

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muslim brotherhood?lim brotherhood won't look for plan to control whole egypt. >> magdy khalil says the brother hood is exchanging power and control. originally elections planned for september, the military council says they'll be delayed until november. more time maybe needed to overcome the political advantage to the better organized muslim brotherhood. >> the muslim brotherhood and others will win the majority seats in the parliament. christians and secularist don't want to see that happen. they are trying to slow this whole process down. they have launched a new campaign called constitution first. >> constitution first is like modern united states in 1867 muslim brotherhood and council, they support elections first and liberals and the moderate muslims support constitution first. >> christians an secularist fear if the parliamentary election is held first tmuslim brotherhood and other parties will write the constitution that will islamize egypt and impose sharia law. >> there is a majority of people

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muslim safety form and stephen gash here spokesperson for stop islamization of europe all right gentlemen this is crosstalk that means you can jump in anytime you want but first let's see how the oslo attacks may influence political discourse in europe. oddly tragedy that struck norway on friday has become yet another grim reminder of the growing threat of far right extremism a problem long since recognized but unresolved in europe with the body count still in progress authorities and politicians in europe are left to re-evaluate the spread of domestic radicalism and possibly recast the profile of a modern day terrorist. sense of grief over such a high death toll as a result of the bombing of a federal building in los low and the shooting rampage at a labor party youth camp we have. strong feeling it chris. we have been in order to get. the norwegian people to the admission of the need to ask hard questions particularly how one man was able to bend such destruction without being stopped will want to make sure that we like others any lessons there are to learn about how to be more secure a

there's some really good examples within the muslim community, the global muslim community which need to be showcased. >>reporter: examples like the moderate muslim democracies of indonesia, turkey and malaysia; stable,successful and rapidly approaching developed status, without abandoning the central principles of their faith, especially tolerance and moderation. >>i think concept of global movement of the moderates as a key value is cardinal to ensuring that countries in the muslim world will develop on the basis of social justice. >>historically islam has been about the middle way, about moderation. and this is not a new phenomenon; this is something that's rooted in islamic tradition. >>to us islam means something constructive and muslims means the ones who are prepared to contributeto the overall positive development. and if you don'tgree, you want to raise political issues, orreligious issues, please go somewhere else. >>reporter: while this year's world islamic economic forum may not have resolved the world's issues,as the forum came to a close, across the city at the central m

it is very difficult for sunni muslim to be a fully practicing muslim and shiite iran and vice versa it is extremely difficult for a fully practicing a shiite muslim to live a full life in sunni saudi arabia because of persecution. so this is a very special place. one of the few countries in the united states and canada where muslims can actually be muslims whatever denomination they have and it is values like that in realities like that in fact like that we need to reemphasize to take away this strength of the radical message that the muslims. >> the time of the gentleman has expired. the gentlelady from california, ms. richardson. >> thank you mr. chairman. i concur with the object of the homeland security committee that we should discuss the potential threat to the homeland posed by the somali terrorist organization al shabaab. i also concur that the alleged recruitment of american citizens not limited by race or religion by al shabaab, the organization's relationships with al qaeda and those associated with the somalia, vis-À-vis the potential plotting against the u.s. homeland s

the support of the muslim brotherhood who they have all the muslim organization with these poor of two the idea of money this is shelby and a conflict also the two people that is it in the most or in community this make this election produce against the action by the committee in europe on what happened by this that are out in from christan acts that are missed and all slow it's not the new we see that the right movement the new increase and grew up the development go far away that i can see in the next time shall be confrontation between this power and there are many there are many that are saying there is there is a hard right movement in parts of europe to go against multiculturalism earlier you were alluding to the failure of multiculturalism we've already heard top leaders for example the angle of merkel pronouncing multiculturalism in europe is dead isn't dead though to the extent of a shooting spree and bombings on the street. is there because the integration failed absolutely and i told you the a muslim also they bring their culture and the european community they don't accept

you know he hates muslims and the reason he chose his government and these young people on a holiday island is because he sees them as the people who failed to protect norwegian society from this influence of islam in his own eyes and his links to far right extremist organizations like the english defense league is well documented and we had last night the leader of the english defense league actually issued a threat on live on national television saying that you know in five years' time you can expect similar attacks in the in the u.k. so the link there is very very strong ideology ideology clee they come from the same place yes the tactic this individual decided to take was different however he's not alone he's already told the police that you know there's fifteen to eighty people out there who are ready to do what he's done he's declaring himself to be belong to the knights templars you know where we're going back into the history here he's bringing up. rhetoric of the crusades so this man is not acting alone his not deranged he's not a lunatic he knows exactly what he's doing and

not all muslims are terrorists but all terrorists are muslim if you are an eighteen to twenty eight year old muslim man you should be strip searched and if we go into there there's a very high probability we're going to lose an airline building that victory mosque what's in essence a burial site would be both disruptive and cold hearted for the families of nine eleven victims the most dangerous scenario is that radical muslims seize power and put sharia law into place saying these are all components of the hate machine killing us all with fear and driving some of us like strawman to lash out in violence but islam is not the real threat to america our own hatred our own fear is the biggest threat to this nation as the southern poverty law center points out more than a thousand hate groups operating across america today their numbers have grown by fifty four percent since nine eleven. they are new nazis klansman white supremacists black separatists and border vigilantes they're all over there all over the country it's the various militia it's it's killing america but they are not however a

and fight to protect muslims abroad well that's that. good question i'm not sure i would say that our job as americans is to go ahead and protect every muslim in the rulebook that's not our problem but if you look at the terrorist threats that if you look at the terrorist attacks that have the united states over the past several years there were attacks by muslims killing in this case americans you know you go . on and you've got the guy who shot up the recruiting center in. the world trade center there let's talk about the world trade center because some of the statistics you sent me about islamic terror you sent a website that you like and one heading said putting the numbers in perspective and quotes and it said that nineteen muslim hijackers killed more innocents in two hours on september eleventh than the number of american criminals executed in the last sixty five years do you think this proves what you're saying that islamic terrorism is the main threat to the u.s. i think car crashes are probably the threat as american as terrori

but it's notable that the target that he chose was wasn't muslims it wasn't gnostics or anything like that it was indeed the ruling party of norway the rhetoric that he espoused. a myriad some of the language that he used against islamist at the moment but he is diametrically opposed to stop islamization of europe stack ticks and methods and strategies because we have always been a peaceful organization we've always had demonstrations conferences and i've written articles. and such events are always authorized and okayed by the police north or it is here we are a peaceful organization and this woman is in my view a one off i live in the north of england and recently we've had i just not made this point because. this is an exception that proves the rule really in the north of england not far from where i live we had a similar event of mass murder and nobody knows what the motivations worth of the her horrific attacks this man is reported to opinion and he is the most we have no record of him joining our group at all he was summarily thrown out of the facebook group which is the fleetes

speak for the vast majority of muslims. they don't speak for the vast majority of people. >> reporter: christians are fighting the proposals saying islamic law is compatible with britain's christian heritage and value. last month, cox, introduced a bill in the house of law. >> in britain we have a country where many people have died to protect democratic freedom. we now have a law an alternative to develop in our land which is fundamentally incompatible with democratic freedom. many citizens, especially women, are suffering as a result. >> reporter: the head of the communication might judge the latest announcement is proof that they are seeking to propose it. >> they want to propose sharia law on the community and that's precisely why we're backing the bail house of law. it's going to ensure there's a quality before the law. >> reporter: this proposal may seen unlikely, christians say it force them to stand against increasing islamic influence in their nation. cbn news, brad ford england. >>> coming up christians in japan p

not just racial minorities anybody who is not a muslim. >> bill: extreme not regular muslim. >> right are they so rabidly protective of them to the extent that they would diminish the christians in this norway thing? >> not only that they would shut you up. they would label you as a bad guy for saying you know what? there are extremists in the muslim community who pose a worldwide threat. i think you personally know the story. >> bill: sure, "the view." and that unfortunately affects all muslims because people are weary about it. >> correct. people say we express sympathy for some of the political goals but, wait a second, you have to be clear, are they also then expressing sympathy for terrorists means of achieving those political goals? that's important. and, again, you have to say, yeah, okay, we're talking about extreme radical muslims. >> you don't have to say that every two seconds. >> the idea that radical islam poses a worldwide threat. >> bill: juan and i are talking we have a crawl only talking about radical islamist? >> they are going to shut me up again? >> bill: one of th

some of the muslims say i am coptic. i am a coptic muslim. because i bring back my history to the period. the muslim brotherhoods are against that because since the 7th century, everything before is erased does not exist anymore and we are going to the arabic culture towards the arabian peninsula. there was no -- it was arabian peninsula. they don't call the 7th century invasion, they call it opening. and not -- it was really invasion, a real conquest. so a lot of muslim liberians today. and one the activist is calling the muslims to come back, not to change their religion, and come back and recognize their history. how many countries, he said, in the world have pyramids and spinx? only egypt. go back to accept your own history. it is not arabic culture. i think it's little and little coming to the surface and it's more known. >> thank you. so there is some struggle over the past and the notion of legitimacy. now i'll turn to mr. han for a question. >> i'm wonders if you can describe what the reaction is within the coptic community in terms o