when neil young offered the _ this su. when neil young offered the option, - this su.are like. sometimes the conversations can be over three hours. here's a little of one with elon musk last year which eventually drifted on to the question of the human race beyond earth.— question of the human race beyond earth. could you call and died the _ beyond earth. could you call and died the gallon - beyond earth. could you call and died the gallon he? - and died the gallon he? absolutely.— and died the gallon he? absolutel . ., ., , ., absolutely. you would start with mars — absolutely. you would start with mars and _ absolutely. you would start with mars and use - absolutely. you would start with mars and use morris i absolutely. you would startj with mars and use morris to jump— with mars and use morris to jump off— with mars and use morris to jump off to— with mars and use morris to jump off to all— with mars and use morris to jump off to all these - with mars and use morris to jump off to all these other i jump off to all these other planets. _ jump off to all these other

i want to come back as well to the neil young thing. think that is worth a little bit more of a shout out as well. basically saying sell banks and financials, which is every conversation we seem to have at the moment, buy financials and energy. kailey: neil young apparently not into the value trade, guy. guy: that is kind of where i was going. i think there's got to be some kind of joke along these lines. i need to go back through his musical compilations. this got to be a song or something in there about the value trade. we will find it. kailey: you do that in the break. we will come back to it. coming up on the other side of this commercial break, we will be talking about the european union and its ambitious plans to prevent another global semiconductor shortage. we spoke about it with the eu competition chief, and we will have some of that next. this is bloomberg. ♪ guy: i'm going through the neil young songs, trying to find one that relates to the investment advice that he's giving on oil stocks and financials. nothing yet that real

. >> why musicians are joining rocker neil young and leaving the platform. >> a lot of times on joe's show, they encourage the wrong thing, and we felt like we had no choice, but to stand with neil. >> plus, the great quit. >> i started doing comedy as a way to take a break from work. >> millions of americans leaving their jobs and steady paychecks behind in search of something new. >> of course i love what i did. but this is a different type of love. this is more of a passion. >> americans shifting from living to work to working to live. >> there is highs and lows to pursuing your passion. and there is no substitute for joy in your life. >> why now is th back. did you know that your fabrics trap more than just odors? they also trap bacteria. better get febreze fabric antimicrobial. its water-based formula penetrates fabrics to kill 99.9% of bacteria and it eliminates odors. spray it on your furniture, your rugs, your clothes wherever bacteria and odors hide. you can even sanitize your car seats! for a deeper clean and a freshness you'll love. try febreze fabric antimicrobial. >>> tha

when neil young offered the option of spotify of young or rogan, so far, spotify have chosen rogan.ia and let me give you an idea of what his podcasts are like. sometimes conversations can be very long, over three hours. this is one with elon musk last year which drifted onto the question of the human race beyond earth. could you colonise the galaxy in a million years, absolutely you would build bases on mars and use malls tojump after these other set up places there and over thousands of years? you know, from one solar system to the next. that is something for us to consider. jake, media correspondent at the times, can you explain why spotify, business initially based around music streaming would move so heavily into podcasting with an exclusive deal with joe rogan? first and foremost, podcasting is booming at the moment. joe rogan is perhaps spotify�*s biggest bet in this area. they have spent a reported £100 million, sorry $100 million tying him down into an exclusive deal. it speaks to the growing streaming and audio and spotify has determined that exclusivity over rogan is more

so neil young, it's very interesting.me accept replaying his favorite albums. he's very fired up against this. he brought a lot of people with him. what about these attacks on joe rogan and what do you make of it? >> just speaking about joe rogan broadly, nobody with half a brain thinks that joe rogan is a racist. nobody thinks that joe rogan is an agent of misinformation or anything else. what this is all about is that joe rogan became more powerful, almost accidentally as a comedian that just started talking to people in a podcast, he became more powerful than cnn and "the new york times," "the washington post" and everybody else. that's why they're trying to take him out. nobody thinks of joe rogan because of words he said ten years in a nonpejorative way -- he was quoting other people in a negative way to make fun of them. but neil young is still on youtube. the carry joe rogan is still on youtube. get off spotify and youtube and other places you'll have to leave as well. >> martha: about this rumble offer. they offer

and surely this is the first time on the media show we've had a story with neil young, joni mitchelln. elizabeth dwoskin from the washington post, help me out on this. for people coming to the story fresh, what's happened in the last few days concerning those different characters? well, you have one of- the most popular podcasters in the united states — - i think he has an audience of 11 million — joe rogan. he leans conservative _ and to the right, and he has some controversial guests who are - very much out of mainstream thinking and have said some very offensive lthings as well and also promotedl misinformation about covid. we can talk about what they've said, things like, guests have said... - ..a prominent anti—vaxxer who said that americans have been - "hypnotised" into wearing masks and are duped into— taking the vaccine. he himself has questioned - whether young people even need to take the vaccine and has said, "you don't need to take it..." . he doesn't think you need to take it if you've already had covid, - iwhich is not what medical expertsl said, and on and on and on an

secondly i also like that he said i'm still a neil young fan even though neil young was against his viewsis nice, it is nice to live in the world where we can say i don't agree with you but i still like you because that used to be a thing we could do as people. now we just turned into a group of people who are like i hate you, i hate you because you said the thing opposite of me, getaway, i disagree with you, [bleep] mom. now you don't talk to your mom any more. you know? like i like that he said that. i like a lot of people who i don't agree with on everything. like i don't believe that uptown funk is going to give it to knee. but i still love bruno mars. we agree to disagree. this is society. all right? and also i think this is like a really complicated point to make maybe. joe rogan says that he brings on people who he doesn't agree with all the time but people are pulling a handful of episodes out and are angry about those episodes, now here's, mi not trying to defend joe rogan and somebody will probably say take a part out and say trevor defends joe rogan, whatever, i am saying i und

you know, neil young looks like looks like a hippie, but he talks like a fed. and it's, it's weird especially since, you know, neil young is telling people you got to leave spotify because it's so bad for people because, you know, neil young really cares about people so much. he wants people to go patronize apple and amazon. you know, amazon, the champion of the little guy in the worker. and same thing with apple. i don't know. i thought they had to put up cages to keep workers inside the factories that build apple computer. maybe i'm, i don't know, maybe i didn't hear that right. or something. so this idea that neil young is doing some, by the way his music is owned by blackstone, right? this private equity firm which is raping the amazon in crushing small home homeowners. so he doesn't care about that. he's not demanding that they sell his music back to him for the 50 or a $150000000.00. god, he's really carrying about the people about so he doesn't care whatsoever. this is just him being misinformed about the fact because people are still operating on the id

while singer songwriters near up -- neil young and joni mitchell pulled their music from the platformining support from entertainers in the world health organization. in a blog, spotify's chief executive said it's important to me that we don't take on the position of being content censored, while also making sure there are rules in place on consequences for those who violate them. >> here our guests to discuss all of this. joining us from washington, d.c. 's courtney, a journalist and fellow. in barcelona, jeffrey lazarus is the head of the research group at barcelona institute for global health. in the associate professor of law and technology. welcome to the program, thank you for your time with us. jeffrey, over to you first. i know that you said we need to focus on providing explanation and guidance to combat false information. spotify has since said it's working to add warnings to any podcast that discusses covid-19. for you, is that a satisfactory response by spotify? >> i think it's a start to provide verify information, evidence-based information. but i think we need to distin

neil young probably never has. he's an elderly folk singer from the nation of canada.ng has pulled his music from spotify in protest of joe rogan's open mindedness. does he own his own music? we don't know but we know the gesture received the wide spread applause from the usual who reveal themselves to be dumber than you thought they were. "variety" magazine which still exists informed us that neil young's stand against joe rogan makes him a hero to the younger generation. right, because if there is one person kids of today revere, worship like a god, it is 76-year-old neil young. they would pick neil young over joe rogan every day because they are anxious to demand the firing of any podcast or who interviews anyone kamala harris disagrees with. it's hilarious! but at cnn they've convinced themselves it is all totally true because joe rogan is peddling this information therefore he must be stopped! >> you think about major newsrooms like cnn that have health departments and desks and operations that work hard on verifying information and then you have talk show stars l

neil young probably never has. neil youngne is an elderly folk singer from the nation of canada. young's already pulled his musicolad from spotify in protest of rogan's open mindedness. did you young m actually ownin his own music? we don't h know, bute we know receivedgesture widespread applause from the usual who then revealed t themselves to be even dumber than you thought they were. variety magazine, for example, still exists informed us that neil young stands against joe rogan, makes ut a hero to the younger generations right. because if there's one person kids of today revere worshiprs god, 76it's seventy six year old neil young. they take neil young for joe rogan any day because young people everywhere are anxious to side with biden administration and demand the firing of any podcast or a interviews. peopledd commentariat disagrees with . it's hilarious kam d they're toh the neil young. yes, but at cnn they've convinced themselves it's all totally true because joe rogan is peddling misinformation. therefore he must be stopped. you think about major newsrooms like cnnav that

i mean, i want to go back to line of points about who cares about joni mitchell and neil young and some of the, the, they're hard to are saying that, i mean, if you're somebody like spotify, i mean, do they care about this? any content is content that they want, right? look, absolutely. they want the, the broadest offering of content available, but it, no one was talking about joni mitchell. 2 weeks ago. i will assure you that on amazon right now, she's getting a lot more. listen to her songs in her library of content. so in some ways it's benefited pulling our content off spotify anyway, because people are talking about her at the moment, remembering to terrific songs and embracing them on another platform. so it's what 5 rating and liable, i mean, we went back, i want to go back to what you characterize as a hostage video there with rogan. he pointed out that, you know, it doesn't get much attention when he has, you know, pro vac seeing folks on the show like cnn, dr. sanjay gupta and dr. peter hotel. i mean, like you said, you did this just basically people go there is this one thing

first, are you telling me that anybody is actually worried about neil young police? a more joanie mitchell or nills? laugh grin, who's an exam? fear? king of the pan flute bay city rollers come on. what this is, is this was a targeted lesson to tell joe rogan, you're, it, we don't care who you are, but we're going to make a lesson. we're going to teach the world that there are certain things you can and can't say. i no matter the platform, no matter where you are, how big you are. if you're the one that we're going to target, because we're just not the thought police but the thought vigilantes were, they were the truth tyrants. we're gonna pick you, and we're gonna grind you into a dust. and if you think that joe rogan, whom i respect for nothing more than the the told that he's caused. but if you think that that wishy washy, whatever that was sick, a hostage video, did you see that? i'm sorry. i did it wrong. here's my thing. all across the world hash tag. so what if joe robin gets a wrong look at him? you think this is a virus ologist come on. so what this is to te

thanks joe. rock'n'roll will never die. canadian born a singer songwriter, neil young famously sane. and while that may be true, the same cannot be said of the 76 year old music legends boycott of spotify. good seems, despite his campaign against spotify over the company's refusal to silence podcasting star joe rogan, a number of his songs have remained on the streaming platform to discuss who welcome calmness and podcast. host. mila go, ryan. thank you for having me. ok, big to do 2 weeks ago. it was definitely a major play with the major headline. the songs that have remain on the platform are part of this collaborative projects or soundtracks. they include some of the most popular songs. so is it clear that neil young could remove the songs even if he wanted or his sight or is his silence about the songs are made on the platform? because appear that he actually is inconsistent or hypocritical? yeah, i mean, no one can say for certain way and the young intentions are here, but i think that this is, it's fairly common to want to avoid appearing inconsistent or hypocritical. and part

mark: what i found interesting is spotify was willing when neil young said it is rogan or young, spotify made their choice. we are going to go with rogan, we hope you come back but we are also going to address your concerns. it seems like the power is with spotify now. if it was a bigger artist it might be different. but with taylor swift, there is a nice controversy and spotify stuck with its guns and was consistent and taylor swift came back. for a lot of artists, spotify is one of the best distribution channels now, especially over the last two or three years, one of the great ways for artists to make money -- digital streaming. i think at the margins, spotify has gained more leverage over the last few years. emily: we have spotify earnings come up and we saw what happened with netflix subscribers and a lot of concern about whether they will continue to see that kind of growth quarter after quarter. do you think spotify is in a better position? mark: i think they are. if you add up all the users of netflix, there are two or three people per account. a service with 500 or 600 million u

because his name is and everyone's miles spot of fives, and everyone's welcome and even neil young. it was interesting as reading earlier. right after leaving spotify, neil young put out saying, hey, if you wanna find my music, you can find it on amazon. well, amazon doesn't exactly have the greatest of the history when it comes to like treating employees, right. breaking the rules and you know, workplace bad wages, the workplace difficulties. so, you know, there's no, you can't for all of it, but everybody who's working for, or what the platform is, or what the corporation is running. every corporation at this point for the most part has had some kind of like conflict or bad actors either within it or has done some pretty nasty things in their past. but you as an artist, got to think about, you know? yeah, absolutely. and certainly when it comes to this situation, everyone seems to have a cake on it. and i do mean everyone. i also want to bring up this comment. we heard from the president of brazil to both narrow who chipped to twitter and he said, i'm not sure what your rogan thin

neil young has made his fair share of headlines in the last week or so.ou take your music from spotify because you don't like joe rogan's podcast or spotify's response to it. you see your music actually getting somewhat of a lift off of that, removing spotify from the equation, now taking on the big banks. he said, "join me as i move my money away from the damage caused her's or you will unintentionally be one of them, so he's definitely taking an activist stand, but i think it broadly goes to the idea of big inks financing the fossil fuels industry, and what that means from a regulatory standpoint as well. guy: just from a market point of view, the energy sector is having a cracking start to the year, and the banking sector is having a cracking start to the year, so in terms of investment advice, the music, fantastic. the investment advice, maybe a little bit different from an ethical point of view. let's talk about some thing else we should focus on as well, talking about things that are changing pretty fast. let's talk about peloton. the stock is all o

neil young encouraging employees to quit.ors in this world, you must be able to find better place than spotify. to the workers, daniel ek is the problem, not joe rogan. the latest, there is disturbing language ahead. here it is. >> i never use it to be racist because i'm not racist. but whenever you're in a situation where you have to say i'm not racist, you [ bleep ] up. and i clearly have [ bleep ] up. >> joe rogan's apology tour continues, this time for repeatedly using n-word on his pop popular podcast and staffers at spotify are furious. >> i can't go back in time and change what i said, i wish i could, obviously it's not possible. i hope this can be a teachable moment for anybody that doesn't realize how offensive that word can be coming out of a white person's mouth, in context or out of context. >> roots of the controversy go way back. >> 270 health experts are calling on spotify to take action. >> antivaccine falsehoods on his show caused neil young to speak out. rogen started the pandemic by touting the value of vac

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the late show captioning sponsored by cbs >> joni mitchell is joining fellow singer/songwriter neil youngved from spotify. the musicians are protesting against the streaming service saying it's spreading misinformation about covid vaccines. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> at spotify, we may have lost a few great artists, but that doesn't mean you can't still enjoy their music-- covered by the bands who haven't left. ( barbershop quartet ) ♪ bum-bum-bum-bum i want to live with ♪ a cinnamon girl a cinnamon girl ♪ >> it's the best of neil young and joni mitchell sung by the chordon bleus. ♪ ♪ ♪

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neil young in the 60s and 70s fought for the freedom of speech. a lot of his songs deal with that.chell and others who are speaking about artists being able to express themselves back in that time. >> you. olympian speaking out in beijing. detailing what they call conditions after being thrown into quarantine. the details are coming up. ♪ ♪ as a professional bull-rider i'm used to taking chances. but when it comes to my insurance i don't. i use liberty mutual, they customize your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. wooo, yeaa, woooooo and, by switching you could even save 665 dollars. hey tex, can someone else get a turn? yeah, hang on, i'm about to break my own record. yeah. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty. ♪ hi, my name is cherrie. only i'm 76 and i liveneed. on the oregon coast. my husband, sam, we've been married 53 years. we love to walk on the beach. i have two daughters and then two granddaughters. i noticed that memories were not there like they were when i was much younger. since taking prevagen, my memory has gotten better an

the other guy, neil young is wealthy.everybody over, wouldn't it make more sense? >> you say noah magicians hello famous people. i wonder how long they speak out. so what happened to spot a five. went way down in value the story. wall street saying -- how long are those ex-royals really going to speak out against their big money maker for their household at this point? a lot to save about them. i was there for the wedding and they still don't know what it was other than kate middleton and jealousy. i don't know. but harry is a sweetheart and i wish that family -- and they loved megan and embraced her. i wish they would've stayed together. but spotify. everybody cares about the bottom line. i think if you are joe rogan's apology there, that sounded very sincere. i hate what this has done to spotify. >> greg: it was good. a good apology. >> and by the way, joni mitchell, neil young, go back and look -- in addition, each edition they did, you david and themselves of the moral authority for the fact-checkers of the nurse. try

most popular podcasters in the world says he's sorry about covid misinformation, as musicians like neil young and joni mitchell protest spotify. england's party gate scandal, a rowdy meeting of parliament as boris johnson is forced to apologize for boozy parties during covid lockdowns. the cost of daycare in america, our look into the shocking price tag as we report that a year of childcare costs more than a year of college, in many states. and the super bowl is set, and the world waits on tom brady's future. ♪ ♪ ♪ this is the "cbs evening news" with norah o'donnell, reporting from the nation's capital. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> o'donnell: good evening, to our viewers in the west, and thank you for joining us. this could be a critical week as the threat of war looms in ukraine. tonight, president biden is warning russia nat it will face swift and severe consequences should it attack, adding that the u.s. and its allies are continuing to prepare for every scenario. the cold war foes faced off today at the u.n. security security council, calling for the de-escalation of the largest mobilization of troops in dec

and that's provoked musicians like neil young joanie mitchell and india ari to pull their songs from spotify. it's also attracted the attention of a white house that wants the platform to do more to combat misinformation. rogan promises he'll do better, and spotify is now adding content warnings on podcast that deal with covert 19, which are scientists wondering why the platform doesn't do more to correct that content before millions of americans listen to it. our starting point this week is the joe rogan experience for those who have yet to get a taste of the podcast. they call the joe rogan experience. here's what to expect. he keeps that casual. does that join? there was that time. rogan shared a joint with the lawn. musk. i mean it's illegal, right? totally. okay, back oh, and marijuana and prepare for a stream of consciousness. conversation vice with profanity that we beat out, because rogan doesn't like mother got some political social containment, sprinkled. and i've left on almost everything except on control and with society going through the coven, 19 experience, a little s

i think that neil young and joni mitchell had polio as young children and i think that in the 1990s jonichell how to post polio syndrome. i think they are focused on vaccines here. even if they're not using the word. i think they are vaccine zealots. they are passionate about vaccines because they didn't have the polio vaccines when they got polio and they have suffered a lifetime for it and they are allergic to the words of peter mccullough and malone. he started with mrna technology we didn't really work on the vaccines. they are saying that the vaccines don't work but there is a lot of evidence that they decrease severity and a lot of evidence that they decrease spread to some extent. so i think that's where this is coming from. here's my final point. they have a right to remove their music. he has a right at the podcast there. he has a right to have whatever guest on he wants, period. all of this stirring around as anti-american. >> shannon: many of the doctors he's had that have contrary opinions to what is mainstream has said that they are vaccinated. they have concerns that should

what happened to neil young? what happened to rocking in the free world?. >> ♪♪ keep on rockin' in the free world ♪ ♪ keep on rockin in the free world ♪♪ >> sean: okay, i'm sure he's vaccinated. sure he has his booster and i'm sure he wears his mask. fully vaccinated booster people with masks, they can still get covid. those who once tried to buck the system, neil young and all these other old has been musicians, rock stars, weren't they the ones against the vietnam war? pro women's rights, hating richard nixon? now they want to silence an artistic fashion any dissent? any disagreement, how did we get to this point? how did we get to the point, i can't believe it. grew up listening to howard stern. what happened to him? saying f your freedom. f our freedoms? howard stern? are these people not -- have these people not read that fully vaccinated people with boosters are getting and can transmit the virus, just like unvaccinated people. no longer a problem of the unvaccinated only. full natural immunity and you can still pass it on and get it a second time. i

spotify posted their long time platform rules after facing pressure from neil young.19. joining us now the co-host of "pivot podcast," spotify is the latest string of high-profile big tech company finding themselves in this position, how did they do with the response? >> i thought joe rogan did a right thing. he was contrite, he talked about making mistakes and issues around his podcast getting so big. they used the word, "they don't want to be a content assessor," well, they're publishers, they are responsible for joe rogan so they should not act as if they are a benign platform that they happen to be on and they happen to pay him $100 million for. >> i have not looked at the full 10 minutes yet, i read certain lines he said in his apology. i was i am mpressed the fact th someone is willing to look at what they have done and you know i can get better at this and i want to have different points of views and we live in an age to walk in other people's shoes to have different points of view. i think joe rogan said untrue things about me in hurricane coverage years ago,

causing musicians like neil young to speak out.hat rogan started the pandemic by touting the value of vaccines. >> there's so many whackos out there that think vaccines are a scam or they're dangerous. >> reporter: but he later changed his tune. >> so, would you now, with what you know now, and -- and the having had covid, would you have -- would you have bwished you had opinion vaccinated beforehand? >> no, i got vaccinated. >> you got through it. >> but i got through covid pretty quickly. >> yeah. >> a group of doctors have been cal calling rogan out and neil young and joan kblichle followed by yanking their music off the streaming giant. with pressure mounting, spotify announced it would add content advisories to podcast episodes, including rogan's, that discussed the pandemic. rogan's fans rallied to his defense. >> one of the most popular podcasts in the world. >> reporter: but there was more to come. a twitter account tied to a liberal super pac compiled a video of rogan saying the n-word, over and over again on past episodes

neil young did. joni mitchell and several others. and so, i think that's within their rights.pening over at fox news when jona goldberg protested tucker carlson. it happens in media all the time and we have to keep in mind this is a media company. it shouldn't be protected as a tech -- benign tech platform. it shouldn't be protected by section 230, absolutely, if they are making content just like cnn is or "new york times." >> can you just explain that to people who don't follow this stuff as closely as we probably do? i mean, you said on twitter you said spotify can't pretend it is a platform, when it is a media company. what is the difference? >> uh-huh. well, it's both, actually. but it is a media company in this case because they did a deal. they make podcasts. they have gotten very deep in the podcast business because it is critical for their survival. but section 230 gives tech platforms broad immunity but doesn't give media companies broad immunity. that would be great. everyone would like that but actually, you wouldn't because you want to get things right. and so, lot

neil young and joni mitchell pulling music from spotify. >>> america strong tonight. rosie the penguin at an american zoo. and the connection with the children. >>> good evening and it's great to start another week with all of you at home. and that breaking headline tonight, russia responding to the u.s. just a short time ago. >>> on covid tonight, what they're seeing in more than 40 states now. and news tonight on this anti-viral covid pill being delivered in new york city. >>> but we're going to begin tonight with news that yet another major winter storm is taking aim. heavy snow and treacherous ice. and it comes right after the deadly nor'easter that slammed into the east. tonight, winter storm alerts stretching across 1,500 miles from the middle of this country all the way east. tonight, that new storm track set to barrel across 17 states from texas all the way up to new york. 60 million americans in its path this week. and it will hit many parts of the east, still digging out from the crippling nor'easter. blizzard conditions from atlantic city to new york to mas

or from spreading what they describe this go with 1900 false herds, while singer songwriter is neil young and joni mitchell pulled their music from the platform, gaining support from other entertainment, entertainers, as well as the world health organization. so in a blog explaining his announcement, spotify chief executive daniel, ack wrote. it's important to me that we don't take on the position of being content sensor while also making sure that there are rules in place and consequences for those who violate the. here i guess to discuss all of the 20th and washington d. c. is courtney around. she was a journalist and fellow at the u. c. l, a. institute for technology law and policy, and barcelona, jeffrey lazarus. he's the head of the health systems research group at barcelona institute for global health. and in the judge city of ma, stressed, catalina, go on to associate professor of law and technology at trust university. welcome to the program. thanks so much for your time with us, jeffrey. over to you 1st, i know that you said that we need to focus on providing explanations and gui

i'm a neil young fan. try harder to get people with differing opinions on right afterwards.nd do my best to make sure that i've researched these topics, the controversial ones this particular. >> like a lot of things about him, but my point is that i have a right to not want my music on the same platform if as his. his program. and that's the only right that i think i have. howard: joining us now from brazil is glenn between wald, pulitzer prize-winning journalist. glenn, why do you think many journalists -- not to mention musicians -- are continuing to pound joe rogan even though he's apologized, even though he's said he'll do more research, even though he says he'll have nor balancing voices -- more balancing voices on the subject of covid and vaccines? >> i think it's the same reason why they're so obsessed with fox news, sort of the one place that has always existed in the large media ecosystem that deviates from what the rest of the media is typically saying, like why can't you just have one place where people are questioning your orthodoxieses. and it's because the abi