we begin this evening with the firing of the "new york times" executive editor jill abra abra. we start with ken auletta of the ""new yorker" magazine." >> it doesn't matter if you quibble over how many dollars difference there was in pay, and even if you assume the "times" were right that the total compensation was comparable, the fact that the first female editor of the "new york times" believed that it wasn't comparable, believed she was not getting paid equally for equal work is something the "times" ought to have addressed. >> we continue with-- >> i think a lot of the women at the "times" and a lot of men put leadership,un, something similar is going to be true for the first african american executive editor of the paper. when you have people who have been historically shut out of positions of power, and there are only a few who attain them they mean a lot. >> rose: and we turn to a look at certain important developments in the world. >> a conversation with a very high chinese authority, and i asked him whether china was prepared to play a constructive role in the governan

c-span: when did you go to work for the new york times? >> guest: i went to work for the new york times full-time as a staffer in 1955 -- january 19th, 1955. and i had spent seven years doing general-assignment reporting and feature writing for other newspapers. and i was a stringer on women's news for the times for about a year before i came back to new york. that was in london. and there i was with all that general experience behind me, and i was immediately sent to the women's page to cover fashion because that's where women went in those days. c-span: there are all kinds of crazy little things that you learn when you read this book. i mean, crazy -- maybe not to the audience, but for those of us that live here. >> guest: not to the women. c-span: huh? >> guest: not to the women. c-span: well, let me tell you what -- let me tell you what i'm talking about. you married a man by the name of stan levey. >> guest: that's correct. c-span: and it turns out that his son is bob levey? >> guest: yes. he writes bob levey's washington. c-span: here

new york. when we come back, the first female executive editor of "the new york times" is ousted. the first female executive editor in the 160-year history of "the new york times." did it have to do with her request for equal compensation for work with her male predecessor's? stay with us. ♪ [music break] >> this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman with juan gonzalez. we turn now to the "new york times" dismissal of its top editor, the first woman to hold the position in the newspaper's 160-year history. executive director -- executive editor jill abramson was replaced wednesday in a surprise move by publisher arthur sulzberger, just 2.5 years after her pointman. during her tenure, the paper want a pill it surprises. she is been replaced by managing editor dean baquet, who has become the first african-american to take up the post. both abramson and "the times" have signed non-disparagement agreements and sulzberger has insisted her firing was due to "an issue with management in the newsroom." denied new york times" the charge saying abrams

as the debate rages over the dismissal of "new york times" editor jill abramson we'll ask are women in power positions held to a different standard than men. and new york shriver, carolyn ryan, and carly fiorina, former ceo of hewlett-packard are here to share their views. >>> and the growing scandal of the va. is the government failing to give american veterans the care they were promised? va secretary eric shinseki says he's mad as hell about what's been uncovered, but that isn't stopping calls for him to resign. what reforms are needed to ensure this never happens again? >>> from nbc news in washington, the world's longest running television program, this is "meet the press" with david gregory. >> and good sunday morning. we'll begin with the story that's been dominating much of the political conversation all week long and that's karl rove's attack on hillary clinton. is this just the start of a republican strategy to persuade her not to run? our own andrea mitchell is here with more on this. good morning. >> good morning to you, david. this week there is no longer any doubt that so

>> the new editor that's replacing jill abramson, he's the first african american at the "the new york timesintment just like abramson was and unfortunately that's been foreshadowed. >> we know this is really just the beginning. thanks to both of you. appreciate it in new york. >>> all right. straight ahead, nigeria stepping up its efforts to find the kidnapped school girls after the security summit in paris. nigeria said it will accept technical help from nations. france's president calls the kidnappers the islamic terrorist group boko haram, a throat beyond nigeria. what should the u.s. do? here now is cnn's anchor, jack tapper. >> some, the way to help the more than 220 school girls still being held hostage seems obvious low pressure bring back our girls with force. >> i would like to see special force deployed to help rescue these young girl. >> beyond the hashtag activism 0 online, senators such as susan colinens and john mccain are calling for boots on the ground. >> i think the people of nigeria would welcome the rescue of these young woman. >> mccain said he would send in troops rega

"the new york times" is on the record -- "the new york times" is on the record is saying it's not true. why would canaletta -- >> you don't believe "the new york times." >> i don't believe the new yorkers un -- anonymous sourcing on this sorry. canaletta first wrote this was a issue she was fired over because she was paid less. "the new york times" says it's not true. >> i want to come back to this equal pay question. we still have here an issue where a newspaper has canned a woman and gotten into a public fight with a woman and trashed a woman who had until a few days ago had been its leader of its newsroom. >> that's right. it got all the good press when she became editor so you live by the gender, you guy by the gender and on some level they are going to have to address questions and come up with kind of why this happened. i mean, they talk about how difficult she was. she managed down poorly. she had fights with people in the newsroom. it doesn't sound like she managed up very well either so basically when it came time to explain this, the pay issue seems like a pretty convenient o

"new york times" has fired its top editor, jill abrahamson, she is out. it's because she thought she wasn't paid the same wage as men in her position at the "times." the report comes from ken aletta who works at the new yorker magazine. the history the "new york times" a very liberal newspaper and bought into the war on women political pose. in april it editorialized about the claim that american women earn 77 cents for every dollar a man earns. a claim we have debunked here. anyway, the "times" put forth, quote: it reflects overdiscrimination as well as more nuances gender based factors like the fact that women are disproportionately concentrated in the lowest paying fields and there is no doubt that the pay gap is real, unquote. apparently jill abrahamson hired a law lawyer to investigate why she was not receiving the same compensation than men received in the past. if that's true, the "times" could be in for legal trouble as well as having a pr nightmare on its hands. the newspaper denies miss abrahamson was not paid fairly -- so, the two leading gende

and others at the "new york times" bureau. ubsequent to that, if i pick up a piece in the "new york times" magazine or on the front page that you can be damned sure i feel competitive. as a news gathering organizing, i'm not the "wall street journal" or "the washington post" we're a very different animal than that. i want the "new york times" to be great because i think it's possible that it's the most important prize institution in this country. i can't have it in every language but it's certainly everything in the world that i can read. >> rose: what does that have to do with the fact, the "new york times" and your take on changing leadership. >> i think it's tough on the institution. >> rose: the institution suffers. the new the "new york times" is suffering because of this. >> it's suffering because people call into question. >> rose: what's different about this. >> i don't think so. i think first of all a lot of people out in the world who do read the "new york times," this is fairly invisible to them. it might be somethin

. >> paper faces questions about why it held that story... >> snowden was disgusted at the new york times for having that story before the election, sitting on it for month after month. and he had a real antipathy towards tnew york times as a result of the way they behaved over risen. instead of the new york times snowden would reach out to glenn greenwald, laura poitras and barton gellman. >> narrator: and he would begin systematically copying and giving them documents that held many of the united states' most closely guarded secrets. >> snowden had clearances for human intelligence. he had clearances for many, many compartments of electronic surveillance. and he had a third set of powers, which is actually called "super user." it was a very potent combination that opened many, many doors to him. >> here is this low-level analyst who was able to access, if you believe the government, 1.7 million documents, and walk out of the agency with them without them having the slightest idea that it was taking place. >> this was a stupendous intelligence breach. this was the largest collection of c

finally, reporter james risen from the new york times had had enough. he decided to strike out on his own. >> the story was dead now, twice dead, and i thought the only way to ever get this story out was to put it in a book. >> narrator: risen had a surprise for eric lichtblau. he invited him to drive over to his house to read a draft chapter of the book: the story the new york times had refused to print. >> the chapter was just called "the program." and in it, he basically made known the existence of this program and the fact that the

i love "the new york times." i think it's a great newspaper. i do. my favorite after usa today. >> i'll take "the new york post." >> my point is -- >> wall street journal. >> i tend to think it is true considering this is reported at the new yorker, you know, i think he probably knows what he is talking about. it just completely unseptemberble. this is a woman on top of her game, at a liberal newspaper and just completely -- >> and the word pushy, i'm like really in this day in age. she's push -- pushy, you're being pushy, juan. >> i'm talking to adults and two people that believe -- >> pushing. >> there is nobody that would meet jill and say she's endearing and tough and cuddly. >> i met her and found her very endearing. >> would the same description, adjective be described as pushy. >> i sat at a dinner with her and she was lovely and i don't know how she operates in the workplace but if she's tough, so what? i don't think there is something about her where i met her and thought this woman -- >> check mate powers -- >> this woman is pushing people

"new york times" is on the record saying it is not true. >> you believe "new york times" are you saying? >> i don't believe the "new yorker" unsourced anonymous sourcing on the story. it was first written it was an issue she was fired over because she was paid less at "new york times" and it was on the record, shameful of the main stream media to follow the story. >> we will come back to the equal pay question. but, we still have an issue, michelle, where a newspaper has canned a woman and trashed the woman who had until a few days ago been the leader of the newsroom. >> that is right. it got all the good press when she became editor. you live by the gender, you die by the gender. on some level they are going to have to address questions and come up with why this happened. they talk about how difficult she was. she managed down poorly. she had fights with people in the news room. doesn't sound like she managed up very well, either. when it was time to explain this, the pay issue seems like a convenient issue. >> there are a number of reasons she was health go and ultimately she lot the

i love the "new york times." it's my favorite newspaper. >> i'll take the new york post. wall street journal. >> it's just completely unacceptable. this is a woman that's at the top of her game. >> i agree with you. >> at a liberal newspaper and it is inexcusable. >> you want to say she's pushy? really. >> hold on. wait a second. hold on. i am talking. >> you're being pushy here. >> i'm talking to two adults and two people who don't believe in telling people they can't use language that can't be properly described. >> would the same description be used for a male? we fired him pause he was pushy. >> she was lovely. i sat next to her at a dinner. if she's tough, so what? >> checkmate, powers. >> if she's tough in her workplace, so be it. >> that's not true. look, you know there are people who in the workplace can, in fact, cause people to run in the other direction. if people start getting off the shape -- remember nate silver, who have a superstar over there. he left. there were lots of people who felt she was making people go crazy and leave and they didn't like it. that

of her life and she was asked about her tattoos, one of which is a t from "the new york times." aid she has no desire to remove that and if she is very proud of her tenure at "the new york times." we will talk a little bit more about that. tucker carlson will join us and talk more about what they have to say this morning. >> the national september 11 busy them said to open the doors on wednesday. now there is an uproar over the museum's gift shop. look us all the stuff stuff they are selling. they are blasting the decision to sell t-shirts, hoodies, magnets, mugs, hence, charms, toys and other tourist souvenirs. nearly 3000 people were killed on this tragic day. some of the families are really upset. >> indeed, eric. a store at this location is simply inappropriate. it is more than a museum. 3000 people died. where the unidentified remains are now stored. among the items for sale, a $39 hoodie sweatshirt with the quote "in darkness we shine brightest." there also baseball hats and more content in the logo. more costly items including $95 picking the original world trade center an

why the "new york times" fired its first female executive editor. plus the inspirational story of a basketball player whose life came to a tragic end. >> welcome back to al jazeera america. i'm john seigenthaler in new york. a lot more to cover this half hour. women in the work place, a renewed debate after jill abramson was fired from the "new york times". plus devon's story, how a high school basketball star's tragic death galvanised a community to fight gun violence. >>> and nile reasonabliers is on a mission to focus on the family. richelle carey with the top stories. >> wild fires in california scorched thousands of acres. one died, several homes have been destroyed and thousands forced to evacuate. more than 2,000 fire fighters battled several fires. investigators are looking for the cause. >> veterans' affairs secretary testified before congress on the state of veterans health care. the agency has been accused of cover ups and inadequate medical treatment. the american legion called for eric shinseki to step down. others say he should stay in

numbers, we can compare them and see if we think it's comparable and the spokesperson for "the new york times" says, no, new york it's directly comparable. it's just a lot of smoke and mirrors that they're putting up. and this is exactly what makes it so hard for women to close that pay gap. it's because of the lack of transparency. >> what was she supposed to do? you know, i guess i kind of look at it, she hired and independent investigator instead of doing her own work, get an attorney, check this out, let make sure we've got our numbers right before i make a case about this. who knows, whmaybe she was expecting some level of fairness coming back from management. instead they're trashing her as worst manager in the world. i guess, you know what was she supposed to do? what avenues were open to her legally to be able to address this? >> you know, that's the thing. she had to ask about it, that's how you find out whether you're being treated illegally, whether subjected to unequal pay. and by the way, "the new york times" may not understand this, but that is the law of the land, equal pay for

host of "reliable sources" and a former "the new york times" reporter and alexandra field following the story from new york. there are reports that she had complained at times she was paid less than the man that held the job before her. >> they're fighting back coming out with a big statement this weekend. originally we heard when she was dismissed this was a management issue. that's how they characterized it and now a more recent statement and the publisher of the paper trying to make clear that she was not dismissed for any reason having to do with gender or pay. part of his statement, he says, quote, perhaps the saddest outcome of my decision to replace jill abramson as executive editor of "the new york times" is that it's kaz an example of unequal treatment of women in the workplace rather than accepting it's a specific individual who as we all do have strengths and weaknesses. a shallow and factually incorrect story line has emerged and trying to make the points why he says she was dismissed and personal here and cites a couple of reasons including inadequate miscommunication and m

i think anybody would feel goosebumps. >> the new york times broke the story about the national security agency... >> narrator: nevertheless, the times decided to publish the story, revealing the

what is a battle between "new york times" editor and the person who deposed her. getting worse. other news outlets are furiously reporting on the "times." the "times" is reporting on itself. solesberger himself taking another shot and another stam at abrahamson's dismissile, and then abrahamson spoke at the commencement ceremony for wake forest university. >> sure, losing a job you love hurts, but the work i revere, journalism that holds powerful people and institutions accountable, is what makes our democracy so resilient. what's next for me? i don't know. so i'm in exactly the same boat as many of you. >> join me now, emily, then edit or over fleet, emily, are you astounded how ugly this entire thing has gotten? i just cannot believe every day that passes more leaks, more articles, more facts coming out, solesberger him coming out to basically be like she was terrible? it's head-spinning, got son bad and so public so fast. >> it's true. the media is obsessed with "the new york times," with this story, and so i think part of what we're seeing here is a kind of fee

"new york times" has fired its top editor, jill abrahamson, she is out. t's because she thought she wasn't paid the same wage as men in her position at the "times." the report comes from ken aletta who works at the new yorker magazine. the history the "new york times" a very liberal newspaper and bought into the war on women political pose. in april it editorialized about the claim that american women earn 77 cents for every dollar a man earns. a claim we have debunked here. anyway, the "times" put forth, quote: it reflects overdiscrimination as well as more nuances gender based factors like the fact that women are disproportionately concentrated in the lowest paying fields and there is no doubt that the pay gap is real, unquote. apparently jill abrahamson hired a law lawyer to investigate why she was not receiving the same compensation than men received in the past. if that's true, the "times" ing a be in for legal pr nightmare on its hands. the newspaper denies miss abrahamson was not paid fairly -- so, the two leading gender equality promoters, the obam

. >>> coming up, jill abramson, the fired "the new york times" editor broke her silence for the firstime since the whole ugly incident today. >> a couple of students who i was talking to last night after i arrived, they know that i have some tattoos and one of them asked me, are you going to get that "times" "t" that you have on your back removed? not a chance. >> do you think that's awkward wait until you hear the latest installment of what happens when the world's most important media enterprise covers itself. that's next. marge: you know, there's a more enjoyable way to get your fiber. try phillips fiber good gummies. they're delicious, and an excellent source of fiber to help support regularity. wife: mmmm husband: these are good! marge: the tasty side of fiber. from phillips. >>> coming up premiering all in america on the road in the conservative heartland as we travel to kansas. a story of kansas' most powerful native sons and their unlikely defeat. you don't want to miss it. alright. let's share the news tomorrow. today we failrly busy. tomorrow we're booked solid. we close on

"the new york times" lied trying to cover up their own mess. saying there's no compensation problem. >> that's not a factor and it is now acknowledged to be a factor. "the times" frankly was being very cute in arthur salzburger's statement about the total compensation. apparently one has to surmise lumping in any bonus she might have gotten any stock. which of course are all dependent on what kind of year the newspaper is having. and so i know, for example, "the washington post" when manager's bonus was cut in half or didn't come at all because of lean years in the newspaper business. keller, her predecessor was in that office for a lot of lean years. so it's possible you could look at the figures and say her stock options eventually might have been worth more than his. but it's salary to salary. >> they're being too clever. >> yeah. >> when she has to go hire a lawyer, gene, i mean, she has to hire a lawyer to try to get equal pay for the position her male counterpart had. >> if you recall the way the firing was handled, you use the word brutal

let's begin with this week's pr disaster as the most powerful newspaper in this country, the "new york times." there are new developments and i'll get to that in a second. the times newspaper is in a real turmoil after the firing of top editor jill abramson. people there are stunned. she is the first woman ever to run the time newsroom. she is a role model for women and some men, and as soon as she enrolled, her allies claimed unfair pay systems at the time. the other narrative is coming from the times publisher. he and his allies say she was a bad manager. solsberger said he would give no details, but then he had no choice. he listed his problems with her. look at this. arbitrary decision making. a failure to consult and bring colleagues with her. inadequate communication, and the public mistreatment of colleagues. pretty strong stuff. now, i worked at the times for six years. that means i worked for abramson and the editor who came before her. she was necessarily not a people person. she could be gruff and even rude. when i told her i may be leaving the times, her attitude made it easier t

from inside "the new york times," jeb bush, "giving the gop something to sit -- something to think about a look at the number of books he has been reading in recent weeks . "the new republic," focusing on the issue of the war on drugs. a new book from robert ferguson ,etting a lot of attention "america's criminal justice ."stem is broken "incarceration rates have risen 500%, sentences are harsh, life inside is dangerous, rehabilitation programs are .neffective the only real solution is to reduce the number of prisoners, a solution blocked by american culture, which she believes to be excessively punitive and largely responsible for the immensity of the prison population. we have more on this online at "new republic." larry, democratic line, welcome. you mentioned 38,000 people overdosing in 2010, but you don't do friendship between legal and illegal. i don't think that anyone died from marijuana in there, which is what we are talking about. must be theothers world's biggest drug dealers, they have already had people calling in to defend them. back in to understand, the 1970's it cost $10

," it's going to present interesting challenges to the "new york times>> absolutely. hard to do but the times has the resources if they're honest and candid. >> i suspect there are a lot of women who work at the "new york times" who are going to want to get to the bottom of this. >> we're going to talk about this and other issues at the forum tomorrow in downtown hartford. >> lovely downtown hartford. >> chuck todd is straight ahead with "the daily rundown." as always, we'd like to thank you for your patience. >> ah, the washington hot seat. just an hour from now, secretary eric shinseki sits down for tough senate questions as the veterans affairs scandal grows and the white house gets hands on. and also the official dedication of the september 11th memorial in museum in lower manhattan. we'll have full coverage of the president's arrival there and the full program throughout the morning. >> plus, has the presidential primary debate process

she's been a distinguished reporter for "the new york times" and editor for three years. there is not a single word in her departure announcement about her contribution, about her record, about her time at the "new york times." she is excised from history. no more lectures, please, from "the new york times" about the treatment of women. arther salzberger, the more he talks, the more clear it becomes to me that, of course, she was treated differently. whatever the issues in the newsroom were, the dynamics about her departure would not have been the same for a man. >> i mean, not here to speak for the newspaper. i think jill is known as a truth teller, and i think she wanted -- people talk about her departure. i think she wanted it to be clear she was being fired. she didn't want the ceremonial -- >> there wasn't a single positive comment about her in her statement of departure, not thank you for your time, not thank you for a wonderful record of service to "the new york times," not a word. that is disrespect -- >> can i -- >> -- in the most public forum. >> i want to ask ma

arthur wanted to do, give the job to jill because he wanted to name the first female editor of the new york timesno that she isn't a fantastic journalist but of course, he was thinking about that at the time and now, for it to come back and srt of bite him at this moment, it seems ironic but seems that was the take away, he was feeling more comfortable with dean and terrified he was going to lose him because of the friction that developed. >> this matters in the long run because questions about the long-term damage to the times. let's get into that there say twitter message, why is arthur having so much trouble keeping editors? he hire asserten kind of person? is it that he creates bad environments, bad workplaces? what are the answers to that question? >> he hasn't lost that many editors. that was a scandal, this wasn't a scandal. so people look at it different. it was judge the over who was working together constructively for the stewardship of the institution and he in a sense is acknowledging to sarah he had made a mistake. you can look at the record of the new york times and some of its digi

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christine, john. >> another reason we're talking about this is how "the new york times" handled it. >mishandled it. >> exactly. they teach classes for generations on how not to fire people the way "the new york times" just did. >> some people write this is an inside baseball media story. i was at a soccer game on the sidelines people from all different industries are talking about this. >>> happening right now, severe flooding across serbia. dozens are already dead. thousands evacuated from their homes and now a new threat from land mines. we're live with the very latest. feet...splashing. better things than the joint pain and swelling of moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis. if you're trying to manage your ra, now may be the time to ask about xeljanz. xeljanz (tofacitinib) is a small pill, not an injection or infusion, for adults with moderate to severe ra for whom methotrexate did not work well. xeljanz is an ra medicine that can enter cells and disrupt jak pathways, that comes with ra. xeljanz can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes

it -- of the new york times. e new york times has been in possession of many tens of thousands of documents from the nsa. the received them from the guardian. they have produced very few stories over the past eight months since they have received the material. there absolutely are good journalists and these newspapers. they do break good stories sometimes. everybody knows what the new york times did in the run-up to the iraq war. they sat on the story of the nsa -- in general, although there are exceptions, there is an overwhelming closeness between media outlets that are the largest and most influential and the government. host: let's go to dan in george on our line for republicans. caller: i was talking to amy goodman about what the nsa already knows about -- a lot of people in the world claim treason for this. it is noted going to be able to discredit the nsa where we can get away with our 201330 deal? guest: what will happen to the nsa is unknown because so much of it depends on how people around the world res

if you can't afford your medication, astrazeneca may be able to help. >>> ousted "new york times" editorhmson speaking publicly for the first time since she was fired. she told wake forest graduates said losing a job you love hurts. the comments after "new york times" publisher slammed abrahmson for her management style denying compensation played a role in her firing. joining us is howard kurtz host of "mediabuzz" on the fox news channel. great to have you here. let's start -- i mean talk about a -- to fire the executive editor of the "new york times," the first woman, this looks like as the saying goes this story will have legs for some time. >> it's become a nasty pr battle. so far jill abrahmson has won that war but that's starting to change. the story she put out through leaks, through her friends not being paid the same as her male predecessors is not accurate. ate side show. yes maybe women managers who are aggressive are described as being rough and brusk and pushy in a way men aren't. but she works for the publisher. he felt misled and betrayed how she treated her deputy. >> do

i'll just take when mossberg left, bill keller left the "new york times." y did it under the umbrella of the "new york times." >> first of all i mean i can give you the intellectual answer but i'll start with the emotional answer. i love the "new york times," i grew up reading it and i love working there. the intellectual answer is "the times" is having more. we have a huge digital audience. we have this incredibly talented graphics staff. one of the best things working with the "new york times" is wet getting to work with the graphic he had urs. i work with amanda cox and kevin kelly, a whole team of some of the smartest journalists i ever met. the times has enormous strength. the reason traditionally why it's a mistake to innovate while being part of a legacy organization is the organization is afraid of innovation. they say we can't do that, that will cannibalize our existing business. and what -- >> rose: walt expressed some of that based on his own experience walt modelberg on th" >> i understand it. if you have been running a es about for 50 years, 150

alix steel will follow the executive controversy at the new york times. julie hyman examines a new bloomberg poll on targets data breach. we begin with phil mattingly and the cyber spying charges against five chinese monetary officials. >> an escalation of what has been a years long running battle between the u.s. and china over economic espionage and cyber security issues, the u.s. justice department by far took the largest step in this fight with direct ties to the liberation army. it charges are for economic espionage and the theft of tracy good. the u.s. felt it did not have any other choice am a something underlined by the attorney general eric holder in his press conference today. >> when a foreign nation uses tools against an american exit -- american executive or corporation to retrieve specific information for this -- for the state-owned companies, we have to say enough is enough. >> a total of six companies were identified for monthly include companies like westinghouse electric and marcoux up the namebrand companies we all know were targets of

it doesn't mean that's what you take home. >> and an update of his story after the new york times publisheduestions some of those numbers, in the times response. so let's just say it is still not clear exactly what numbers were. but there's another point here which is, jill abramson's manner was well known to everyone in the new york times newsroom. that paper in many respects has never been better. never been more powerful. the stories have never been richer. by all accounts. and yet it really wasn't until the last few weeks, you know, a few days after jill abramson asked her lawyer to talk it management about this comp issue that all of a sudden the hater that she had had for several years, became a tremendous problem. now there was one other issue, don, that's important to raise. which is that she has a deputy, who is a guy, who is now the -- now chief editor. and a great guy. and a fantastic journalist. so this is not against him. but it appears as though he might have had his feelings hurt during this process and he went and complained. this is all a terrible story for the new york tim

being too mushy and romantic, i don't think anybody want to use -- wants to see a diminished "new york times." valueslisher's news through a very hard time to publish a newspaper are not in question. >> would you like to have had the vanity fair piece? >> i want everything. by the time that came out, with respect to that, it was clear what the story was. there is a bigger thing to do. maybe that will happen. more ofg story more and what the case is emerges. you havestory i see, to respect what it is. >> bob dylan. philip roth. >> is stupid to say, i used to know a guy at the washington post. >> somebody said that very thing to me. it was the ceo of comcast. theaid, because of successful mergers, every time we do one, somebody says, i could have done that. >> go ahead and try. >> russia. >> things are going great. >> you love russia. >> i do. russia.y friends in i love reporting there. what is happening now is deeply disturbing to me. are talking about russia, not ukraine. russia as such, the leadership, is getting more xenophobic and reactionary. >> is adjust the leadership or vladimir putin

>> well, it's "the new york times." among conservatives, "the new york times," best of the liberal media. if -- >> how could they do this -- >> i don't know that they have. i'm not defending "the times." according to "the new york times" in response to an article published in "new york" magazine, they claim although the base pay was different, the total package was more than the previous editor got. but i don't know the -- i didn't see the numbers. >> i don't know whether it's more disturbing that she was not paid the same for the same job or that she complained, she possibly then was let go. the facts will have to speak for themselves on that. david, why do you believe that has struck such a nerve? is it hypocrisy with regard to "the new york times" and publishing so many times about equal pay and their top leader supposedly not being paid fairly? >> it is the appearance of hypocrisy. "the new york times" is written literally, article after article, opinion at pushing this leftist, the equal pay idea, overfixing the pro

cheney, "the new york times," of all newspapers, said in a review of your book, it was one of the best biographies of james madison that's ever been written. you say that madison has been underappreciated for a long time as one of the main writers of the constitution, bill of rights and starting our first political party. >> well, that's all true. if you just pay attention to madison, as i do, you'll find when people begin to list the founders, he may get tagged on at the end but is often not mentioned, which is really too bad, since he was the primary architect of the constitution. that was probably his finest achievement. his mind is still present in our world today when the supreme court has a decision to make about whether the police stopping you for a traffic violation can search your cell phone, they will re krchcur to fourth amendment, which madison drafted. the fourth amendment deals with citizens not being exposed to unreasonable search and seizure. his ideas are very much part of their lives today and i think for that reason alone, he merits further study. >> on a more person