this time on the nfl gridiron. dozens of players took a knee this weekend in protest of president donald trump and lest we forget police violence. tonight the conversation with dave zarin, for the nation magazine, author, has been sitting down himself during the national anthem in protest for more than 20 years now. glad you joined us. conversation with sports writer, dave zarin in just a moment. ♪ ♪ by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. dave zarin the first only sport editor in the nation's magazine 158 year history. founder of the website and pod cast, edge of sports.com. he joins us now from washington. daved, good to have you on the program as always, sir? >> grit eat to be here. i saw some of your written work. let me start with the one line that jumped out at me and followers. it its exhausting to have a president who gets angrier at outspoken black athletes than at nazis. take it away. >> that's absolutely right. it is exhausting. and i think this last weekend was exhausting

nfl, well, he was wrong.e've seen team owners and players linking arms today. it's the opposite of what trump was talking about on friday night. >> he is not backtracking whatsoever. he is digging in, continuing to defend his own comments and, in fact, he just tweeted again saying sports fans should never condone players who do not stand proud for their anthem or their country. nfl should change policy. he's been going after the nfl over its ratings in fact also tweeting this today. nfl attendance and ratings are way down. boring games, yes, but many stay away because they love our country. leagues should back the u.s. do you think his background as a former reality star sin flunsing his perspective? >> definitely. he would send reporters like me, i worked for "the new york times." he would print out the articles and write to you about how high ratings are. that remains true as a president of the united states. he's been citing the ratings here repeatedly. he believes that the anthem protests are the reason w

which was in competition with the nfl.o you think that has anything to do with this issue? guest: i suppose that could factor in. there are seven nfl owners who supported him financially during his campaign. there are a lot of political crosscurrents. once the president gets feud, hisn a tendency is to continue punching whether it does him any good or not. "the roger goodell said, nfl and our players are at our best when we create a sense of unity in our country. there is no better example than the amazing response from our clubs and all of our players, and a failure to understand the overwhelming force for good our clubs and players great in our communities." your response? guest: it is interesting for a couple of reasons. one is president trump's approval rating seven taking up in response to his handling of the hurricanes. that is probably something that was chosen with that in mind. obviously, this president has had a reputation of being a fighter since he has been an office. let me get your reaction to the president's

but there's more from the nfl? >> there's definitely more to come in the afternoon games, i'm sure of that. and fredericka, i would like to say, we've seen players kneel during the anthem, we've seen them sit, we've seem them lock arms before. today we saw owners locking arms with the players. shahid khan led the way, martha ford with the lions, she was on the field locking arms with jim caldwell, the head coach of the lions who is an african-american. steven ross, owner of the dolphins, down on the field with his team. jeffrey lurie, owner of the eag eagles, locking arms with his players. this is the first time we've seen that, nfl owners taking part during the national anthem with their players. and mercedes lewis, a member of the jacksonville jaguars, spoke about what it meant for him to have his owner on the field with him. he spoke about or gave us his take on what the president said leading up to this morning. >> with the situation yesterday and the president calling a lot of the athletes out, you know, i thi

this morning, the president of the united states reigniting his future with the nfl tweeting nfl attendance and ratings are way down, boring games, yes, but many stay away because they love our country, leagues should back u.s., if nfl fans refuse to go to games until players stop disrespecting our flack ag and country, you will see change take place fast. the discussion got even more heateded after what the president said friday night, you might find what you are about to hear from him in alabama offensive. >> wouldn't you love to see one of these nfl owners when somebody disrespects our flag, say get that son of a bitch off the field now, he's fired. >> we have cnn analysts covering this story for us and we have new pictures coming in right new with the cleveland browns facing the colts, you see the flag displayed out on the field and what you're seeing is a very similar image of what you saw out of london. some with their hands on their heart, some with their hands touching other players and some players actually kneeling, we'll talk about all of that and what we're seeing in this displa

we are not watching the nfl. we are not paying for anything to do with the nfl. it's appalling.f electing a populist, highly energized populist as your president. he does speak for the people. he means it. in alabama it's a choice between a populist and establishment candidate. the establishment candidate supported by the populist president. what do you make of the outcome tonight? mollie: i think this is fascinating what's happening in al-gama'a. he made an error supporting the establishment candidate. mostly because he was so tide in with the governor. luther strange is implicated in this. he said he would investigate and he never did. so i think a lot of the voters are upset. lou: who was implicated. mollie: luther strange is sort of tied up in this thing. whamollie: i think what's goingo happen is roy moore will win in alabama. what this shows is people who support trump, that's a bigger movement than trump himself. this is a necessary moment for donald trump to understand his supporters and they are not going to follow him no matter what. it's a useful thing for him to lear

and let's start with these nfl protests. making a decision to challenge the leadership of the nfl over permitting the disrespectful acts during "the national anthem." >> absolutely. the president was echoing the feeling of millions. americans who believe you have ought to be able to protest the things you don't like about our country without disrespecting the country that gives you have the ability to protest. some of the liberal websites are blowing up over a comment i made on fox. i believe these athletes ought to thank god every day. they live in a country where they can take a knee without being shot in the head like they would if they lived in north korea. lou: i think it's true all of us. we take so much of what is america for granted to the point where america may be slipping, america as it should be, is slipping from our grasp. demonstrators, protesters and folks are complaining about. but we can do better. what i don't understand is the leadership of the nfl permitting this kinds of nonsense. if they want to protest

injustice in the nfl games? the first one at 9:30 playing in london in the nfl. >> coy wire, thank you very much. joining me is cnn politics reporter stephen collinson and of the chicago sun times, lynn sweet. steven, let me start with you. i want to read the president's first statement of the day via twitter. let me scroll up here. he says the following. this sounds to me like the president of the united states is calling for a boycott of the nfl. >> i think that is exactly what it is, victor. i think the fact that he chose to begin his day with his tweet shows you that the president thinks this is a winning political issue for him, despite the controversy he has whipped up over the last few days. i think what is interesting, it shows us something about this president. first of all, when he likes to be in the thick of a fight, when he's in the fight, he never backs down. but more broadly, this is the way that -- this is his political method. most presidents in the modern era have tried to use the presidency as

they don't need it in the nfl. now, while the national anthem is about respecting the military, the country, our flag the democrats and members of the mainstream left wing establishment media are trying to make this all about race. this is what they always do. it's part of their playbook. i pointed out so many time on this program every two years or four years the democratic party plays the race card creating division and causing unrest in the country. i played those spots and thoughts over and over again. now democrats are doing the same thing with the national anthem protest. they're also using this opportunity to attack president trump. watch this from just two prominent democrats. take a look. >> he went down to the heart of dixie in alabama before an all-white or mostly white crowd, the good old boys, so to speak, and he engaged in what many of us i think can fairly call race saving. the president of the united states chose to pull the sheets off and reveal himself in terms of his tendency to be a racial arson

on sunday "for the nfl, it was 'choose your side sunday" with many nfl players taking a knee during the national anthem, while others locked arms. or whole teams state in the locker rooms. some owners issued statements condemning mr. trump's comments. we'll get response from former nfl player donte stallworth, the nation's sportswriter dave zirin, and dr. harry edwards, sociologist, author, sports activist and the architect of the 1968 olympic project human rights longtime staff consultant with the san francisco 49ers, advising colin kaepernick. he is the author of "the revolt of the black athlete." then we look at climate justice after hurricane harvey in the fenceline community of port arthur, texas, home toto the largest oil refinery in the countrtry. >> i see your smoke rising inn the air, 2:00, 3:00 in the morning g when using no one is there in the still of the night, my child starts to sneeze and the other starts to weeds. o of your flame i've learned to ignore, even though its combustion vibrates my feet on the apartment floor. amy: we will speak with tilting kelly, who became t

my perspective bully the nfl into hiring collin kaepernick. that's what i saw. i think there would be push back from that.

he attacked the nfl as a whole, he attacked the nfl players individually, and he also attacked the nfl as a business, which obviously affects the owners. and there's been a number of owners who have donated a substantial amount of money to his campaign, to his inauguration. and he put them in a position where they had to either stand with him or stand with their players and their business interests. and we all see where that led him -- where that led the owners. they obviously stood with their players and their business interests and not the president of the united states -- >> so do you think, dante, this is about -- for the owners about the bottom line and not out of the goodness of their heart, they're standing up for the right thing? >> no, i do believe that they -- i'm pretty close with a couple of owners, and i do believe that they have great relationships with their players, a lot of their players and personal relationships with their players. but at the same time they're also running a business. and that can't be refuted. they are running a multi-million dollar business. and so

the nfl firestorm is burning out of control. >> wouldn't you love to see one of the nfl owners when somebody

so the nfl is picking and choosing what they want to enforce. and the president says for a long time the national anthem, this isn't about politics. this is about respect for the country and the people who have made great great sacrifices for this country. >> cheryl: little hipocracy for roger goodell, colonel. >> right and like i said you also have roger goodell and the nfl, my home state of georgia looking to pass a religious freedom actin georgia, he weigh ed in and said if you do this the nfl will not considerate plant a ever to have a super bowl there, so you can't have, you know your leg in both sides of this pond where one thing you're going to stand up for and another thing you can't say we don't want to be politicized but yet you try to be politicized and it's interesting you have a rule in the national basketball association all the players have to stand up for the playing of the national anthem but yet not the same in the nfl but you know the president could have said a little differently. i probably would have said it a little differ

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its advanced a rally outside nfl headquarters with my bullies bully the nfl into giving: kaepernick a. from a business standpoint he's not good for business. that was proven clearly. we are not even talking about these particular issues. we now see the president with response from nba, nhl, all sports. baseball as well and what is about. what is the story really about? are people angry with the way things are in life? that seems to be a widespread talk going on. a lot of anger. where are the issues? >> to your point, it is clear a lot of people are angry. what they are angry and outraged over is as vast as their responses on the field today. the nfl is a business, an enormous business in america and the owners have responded universally. their commissioner did yesterday. bob kraft, good friend of the president responding. i'm deeply disappointed by the tone of the comments made on friday. no greater unifier in sports and unfortunately nothing more divisive. bob mcnair, comments made by the president for divisive and counterproductive to what our country needs right now. in the last 45

nfl must respect this. but as you know, gloria, racial in justice, that was central to colin kaepernick reasoning for starting these protest s in the first place. does the president not realize that or just want to avoid the politics? >> sure, he wants to avoid the racial politics. he tried to avoid it, and failed, with charlottesville. because what he wants to say is this is about the flag. and other people might say this is about race, and this is about the first amendment. and this is about people's right to kneel. you can disagree with them. but it is his right to do that. and i think, you know, the president clearly felt the backlash of this from the team owners who have given him lots of money to his campaign in the past, including his friend craft. and, you know, feels backed up against the wall so he had to tweet this isn't about race. but, in fact, it's hard to say that it is about anything else. nobody wants to come out and say, oh, yeah this is about race, and this is why i said this. but it's ha

liz: nfl fans across the country angry over the nfl national anthem protest.housands of dollars worth of merchandise that they paid for. the nfl expected to generate $14 billion in revenue this year. a lot of that in merchandise sales. author of the national best-seller liberalism or how to turn good man into winers, weenies, and wimps. he's former nfl player. good to see you. >> thank you. liz: now, you say this is not a black or white problem but an elitist problem. can you explain? >> we've been very successful in free enterprise, and we had a lot of success. the last 60 years, we had a black community that's really focused on committed to democrat party. that same democratic party, politicians have voted every single time for antiblack policies. so we need to call them out as who they are. i call them black class. they're elitist, they thrive, and they grow, and they get their powerrotomiesry of the black race. all you have to do is look at every single community that black -- urban blacks are living in, and you see misery, and that's because of the black

demanding that nfl players be fired?all started on friday when president trump went on a tear during a rally in alabama. here is a reminder of what he said. you may find this language offensive. >> wouldn't you love to see one of these nfl owners when somebody disrespects our flag to say get that son of a bitch off the field now? he is fired. >> with one more nfl game kicking off this evening the league is planning to air a message of unity. a one minute ad produced for the super bowl earlier this year. more than two dozen nfl franchises have spoken out in support of players and commissioner roger goodell. andy scholes is joining us now. what have we seen on the field today. give us a larger sense. >> every nfl team on saturday nights have team meetings before they are set to get on the field. it is clear in all of the meetings the players and coaches discuss president trump's comments and what they were going to do about them. as we saw across the nfl each team had a plan whether that plan was to lock arms together or s

do you think that just maybe there is a correlation between the nfl broadcasting stocks slum, the nflv ratings fall and the protests by these bozos. attendance is down at nfl games. sunday night football viewership is down 17%. espn has become more political and had to lay off employees because of its low ratings. and nfl players assistant director d. maurice smith says no one should have to choose a job that forces them to surrender their rights. he says they have quote thoughtful discussions in your locker rooms and board rooms. hey. the only people who choose a job that forces them to surrender their rights are cops. the ones who die protecting people. and it's the same liberals who want to protect the constitutional rights of people like colin kaepernick to symbolically reject america by taking a knee. they are quick to criticize tim tebow for taking a knee to thank god on the field. the golden state warriors refusing to go to the white house because they said the president made it here they are disinvited. the president disinvited steph curry, not the team. people watch the games

>> the battle is on, the nfl versus president trump, a war of words after 200 plus nfl players did some former protester in the national anthem taking a knee, staying in the locker room are just sitting down and what is totally disrespectful to the country and plague. that in disgrace were congressman, anthony weiner is headed to jail after being sentenced for the 1 16 sexting case with a 16-year-old girl. and the devastation in puerto rico that is left millions of that power, what will it mean for the weather in our region? that in your sports and headlines, i'm bill spadea and this is chasing news, let's start with the nfl, another case of politics colliding with entertainment were more than 200 nfl players decided to protest the national anthem, in some cases almost an entire team stayed in the locker room. brian has the full story. >> the united states have tens of thousands of people suffering from multiple here keynes, a looming nuclear showdown with north korea in an opiate epidemic, and an issue the president millions of americans are debating, should nfl players neil during the

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it will hurt the nfl.hey have a big choice to make. >> sean: i was going to ask you where does it end? >> what about the olympics? are we going to have to see as our country is standing up there getting their medals people sitting in the stands? we're the beacon of freedom. >> sean: nearly $100 a ticket. family of four, $500. parking, two beers, two hot dogs, four hot dogs and you're out $700 or $800. a lot of money, pete. >> i could turn the channel is what i've done. i'm a vikings fan. if anybody kneeled i wouldn't have watched the game. it's a cultural flash point. it won't go away. >> sean: pete's interview with the president on "fox & give up, skeletor! you're finished! curse you, he-man, you interfering imbecile! give us one good reason we shouldn't vanquish you to another dimension! ok, guys, hear me out. switching to geico could save you... hundreds on car insurance. huh, he does make a point... i do like to save money... catch you on the flip, suckas! geico. because saving fifteen percent or more

heather: national anthem protest are moving to nfl to capitol hill. >> join so many now in the nfl andelsewhere in taking a knee for the america that we all aspire it to be. heather: well, these supposed calls to action are also being followed by even louder calls for impeachment. joining me to weigh in fox news political analyst, thank you so much for joining us this morning. first question is, what is the point now, we begin can colin kaepernick, he had one point, is the point now to protest donald trump and are we losing the initial message in all of this? >> it absolutely is. i will tell you, heather, nfl players are taking taking the ly out. if the initial intent was to protest racism which we can think of the democratic party, they would have been in the hill with me and leaders of 2020 of america last week as we were going capitol hill lobbying people like senator chuck gassily in favor of criminal justice reform. this has become nothing more than antitrump demonstration and it's problematic, at this point where there's division seemingly everywhere, we need a time to get togeth

yesterday dozens of nfl players did not stand. many of them, as you saw, locked arms in silent protest of the president lashing out at them and the league. but president trump thinks nascar gets it right, holding that organization up as a model of patriotism. he also saluted the nfl fans who booed those protesting players. andy scholes is following this from the sports angle and joe johns from the political angle at the white house. joe to you at the white house first. this came during the president's remarks in alabama on friday night, seemingly out of nowhere, but it is going many places fast. >> it certainly is. very fast. and one indicator of that was the president's tweets this morning. we have three of them that are just very interesting, i think, to say it mildly. i want to read the first one to you. so proud of nascar and its supporters and fans they won't put up with disrespecting our country or our flag. they said it loud and clear. that's interesting, because just a little while later, dale earnhardt, who certainly coul

and the nfl is in a box.ve to do something about it. >> sean: the rest of that interview with president trumpey will air tomorrow morning on "fox & friends." joining me now pete himself. pete hegseth is with us and brett devvicovich. it's about respect for those that fought, bled and died some of them fighting under that flag. simple. >> yes, the president message is stand-up. very simple. the interview goes on and takes on owners, you want to see it tomorrow morning and clear about where he thinks the blame lies. we are in a culture war, a dynamic where too many people take for granted this flag that gives us the freedoms that we have and we go on sunday to watch a football game, i don't want -- when i'm deployed overseas watching armed forces network hoping to watch a football game in iraq and afghanistan which i did many times. i don't want to tune on my tv and see protests of a flag that i'm wearing on my shoulder while carrying a rifle to fight for my freedom. it is very, very clear, sean, this president

it will hurt the nfl. big choice to make. >> sean: i was going to ask you where does it end? >> what about the olympics? are we going to have to see as our country is standing up there getting their medals people sitting in the stands? we're the beacon of freedom. >> sean: nearly $100 a ticket. family of four, $500. parking, two beers, two hot dogs, four hot dogs and you're out $700 or $800. a lot of money, pete. >> i could turn the channel is what i've done. i'm a vikings fan. if anybody kneeled i wouldn't have watched the game. it's a cultural flash point. it won't go away. >> sean: pete's interview with the president on "fox & friends" tomorrow morning. more "hannity" straight ahead. trusted battery for your son's favorite toy?t maybe not. maybe, you could trust he wouldn't leave the upstairs water running. (woman screams) or, you could just trust duracell. ♪ >> sean: quick programming note. an exclusive one-on-one interview with rush limbaugh, rare and an opportunity to hear from the king of conservati

the nfl is sponsored a bose. nice try roger goodell, you're arbitrarily enforcing the freedom of speech rules. president trump called the players out and the left is trying it make this about race even though it clearly is not. let's take a look. >> race. and you can't help but talk about race with this. >> if you have any question in your mind as to whether or not he is race baiting at a certain point in time think of charlottesville. it will give you the clarity. >> if you have to say it you're already in trouble. sob, referring to nfl players who peacefully protest racial prejudice. that's stronger than what the president said about white supremacy in charlottesville. i don't think it's a bit of a stretch to say it's a dog whistle being played out there. protesters were almost entirely black and the team owners who the president was calling upon to fire or suggestion spend are almost entirely white and the president chose to launch this campaign in front of an almost all white crowd in alabama. >> is president

the nfl is awfully hypocritical when it comes to free speech. the nfl is picking and choosing its spots in terms of what free-speech you can have but i talked to a lot of people yesterday, people agree with the president on this one. ibly20 we took a poll of our own, fox and friends first facebook poll, nfl players continue to protest the national and will you still tune in? 94% of you say you will turn it off. 4% won't change much, 2% -- abca27 the nfl in the past, they have no issue with national and but they didn't band a tennessee titan for wearing cleats on the field in memoriam to september 11th attacks. ibly20 in dallas, they took a knee in july, 2016, 5 police officers were killed, 9 injured, those players wanted to wear stickers on their helmets and were not allowed. abca27 abca21 goes to practice wearing socks declaring police officers as pigs, the nfl has nothing to say about that. this is pc america at its finest. mortified to touch anything that has to do with race but everything else is perfectly fine. that is what is disappointing

how the nfl works. and especially as you get older and you see how younger players are kind of a acclimated and brought in, you get a better understanding of the background. so i would say that probably most of the players don't really think much of it, but i would say more so now today with everything that's going on, you know the social justice situations all through starting with trayvon martin, players have been much more aware. the players have been out there. doug baldwin from the seattle sea hawks has done a great job. he's met with the chief of the police department in seattle. he's spoken and had meetings with the washington state attorney general's office. these guys are -- and again, doug baldwin is one of many. a number of players have been moving this needle. and so they just see the president as another obstacle. they've done a great job of making sure this narrative isn't taken away by the president, and it stays where it was always meant to be in the very beginning, and that's for social

another group that is inexplicable, the nfl.hip and management taken leave of their senses. their own by laws call for them to stand on the sidelines with the helmets on in their left hand and hands over their heart. we haven't heard about punishment or discipline. it is appalling what we are watching. >> it is selective enforcement of their own rules because so many people in law enforcement remember when the nfl forbade the dallas cowboy for honoring the cops that were killed in the ambush that was sponsored by black lives matter relevant cops. so many of the owners and players that go along with sheep and with the kneeling gesture. it stems from collin kaepernick who wore socks that depicted cops as pigs and a t- shirt ofifiedel castro and praised the education over americas. this man is insane and people are not understanding what the gestures are endorsing. and the fact that they are doing it overseas is all the more obnoxious. >> lou: this is a fight that the president will win. but he is resolute and right. >> we are the

he's referring to the nfl. mean, clearly, april, he is proud that he is responsible for this topic dominating the conversation. this is what he wanted. >> yeah. well, erin, you know yes, millions of americans are talking about this. his base likes this. yes, we can give him that. that there are many more millions who are very upset. they're african-americans who are very upset. we saw stevie wonder take a knee. we have seen lawmakers talk about this. this president exacerbated the issue. mind you, there were nfl players who were taking a knee before the president made this statement. but because he did this, he challenged the nfl. and these nfl owners who are mostly republican, and this multi-billion dollar enterprise, wanted to make sure they stood by their million dollar players and locked arms. and basically, the nfl, and i talked to a lot of people today in the nfl about this. the nfl is saying, look, you will not challenge us. we will unify. but at the end of the day, now if the president drops this, you k

the nfl must respect this." this is what happened at nfl games across the country, as you saw them play out yesterday. not only here but also overseas in london where players on every team locked arms, took knees in silent defiance of a vocal provocation from president trump friday night in alabama. >> wouldn't you love to see one of these nfl owners when somebody disrespects our flag to say, get that son of a bitch off the field right now? out. he's fired. he's fired! >> all right. let's begin our coverage this morning. we have andy scholes from cnn sports, joe johns at the white house. joe, to the politics first. this seemed to sort of come out of nowhere on friday night in alabama. and then it just ballooned over the weekend. what are you hearing? >> reporter: it certainly just really plays very well to the president's base, if you think about it. and the fact of the matter is, the president has been hammering away at this issue for a while off and on. he's taken credit for being at least partly responsible f

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nfl must respect this." this comes after the president's tirade on friday night before a predominantly white crowd in alabama sparking resistance across the sports world. >> wouldn't you love to see one of these nfl owners when somebody disrespects our flag to say get that son of a bitch off the field right now out. he's fired. he's fired! >> on sunday, owners and players were united in protest in an unprecedented collective action. as players took a knee, raised arms in some cases entire teams like the steelers stayed in the locker room during the national anthem. joining me is brian mitchell, retired nfl running back an analyst for "nbc sports." thank you so much for being with us. i've never seen anything like this. i go all the way back to what happened in 1968 in mexico city at the olympics and, of course, following muhammad ali for years. sports and politics have been mixed before. but never in such a collective way. against the president of the united states. brian? >> well, the president of the unite

and nfl players are doing pretty well.right to two all of this, and owners have a constitutional right to discipline them, and that's what trump was saying, i think that donald trump talks around the water cooler, the way that people will do on monday, did you see those players take the knee? that's exactly what trump taps into all the time and a lot of people can't figure it out but he's talking to a lot more people than some of us give him credit for. >> owners have a right to chastise black men who predominantly choose to exercise their first amendment rights? >> the constitution applies to the power of government. employers cannot rescind your speech. the government cannot rescind your speech, you don't have the right of free speech at your place of employment to say i think i'm going to recite the gettysberg address tomorrow. your employer can say no, you can't. >> is it only when black players try to shine a spotlight on the bigotry in this country? >> it does seem that the majority of the american people actually di