i did wonder what happened to nichole. i remember it was so hot, my eyes and my throat were burning. i ran up the road. and i'm closing my eyes because you can't see anything. and i touched the back of this fire engine. the firefighters looked at me, and they were like, oh my gosh. karen davis: and i later learned nichole was one of the people that ran into the fire engine. nichole jolly: the firefighters absolutely saved our lives. i waited all day for tamra. i didn't hear anything. i was so scared. if i wouldn't have had my dogs, i probably would have ran on foot. having larry open the truck door and tell me to get in and then said, "bring the dogs," it was like a knight in shining armor. i got a text from somebody i didn't know, this gentleman, larry. i found out that he had saved tamra. i feel that i was in the wrong place at the right time. tamra fisher: oh, my god. karen davis: and when we finally did get through, it was like an apocalypse. tamra fisher: oh, my gosh. it's like you're seeing this destruction that you

i was excited when erin and nichole met because nichole was into horses, and i knew erin needed the horsese ranch and its owner . >> you're not very far away from twentynine palms in the marine corps base. is this not only kind of a sanctuary for the animals but maybe a little bit for the marine corps wives? >> yeah. >> as will start at the ranch in 2004. >> the spouses come to the ranch with their husbands or fiances or boyfriends are out in the field. they have nothing to do. most of them don't work, and they get very lonely. loneliness is probably the biggest problem that they have. >> and this is where erin had a horse named cassie ■ç, and tha was very special to her. >> yes, it was. >> come here, cassie. so, your erin's horse. >> she picked a horse that i would never have chosen for her . >> why, what was with the horse? >> the horse was standoffish. it did not like anybody, and it liked her. this force was so bonded to her, and we couldn't believe it. >> before long, erin and jon, chris and nichole were spending more and more time at the ranch together. >> we could go out in the dese

specifically, nichol. indonesia is expected to meet 2 sides of the world's needs for nichol, which is obviously like the manufacturer of yeah. batteries for like a vehicle. yeah. a mobile phones and so on. but there are complexities. so the nickel price has come down quite a bit in the last 18 months. it's a very common intensive industry and don't know all of the nickel being produced is yet battery. great. so what does in the news you're doing to meet these challenges? so 1st of all, i think is to get a better smelting system. the furnace is better. okay. and in that, in that regard, we are inviting for investors. so now we have a chinese, what are the in indonesia, we have canadians. we have for korean with the japanese and i've been working very hard to bring joyce in investors on this kind of a project. so brussels sort of help us instead of attacking us. because in the context of a f d between brussel and sheila, they are willing to allow to late the process in cuba. it. so again is the double standard. when she led the willing to process the government deals and jewelry, they w

still, judge nichols felt that maybe the d.c.cuit would take a different view this time, stayed the sentence. now that the d.c. circuit has agreed that its precedent stands -- >> robert costello. >> robert costello. >> remind us about robert costello. >> he was the defense's only substantive witness in the trump manhattan da's case. he was there of course to say that another one of his almost clients, would be clients, michael cohen was lying when he recounted the various interactions that they had had before cohen eventually decided to turn. >> and the judge was not happy with costello because costello was not acted in the judge's estimation appropriately in court. he threatened him with contempt if he continued to mutter and make objections that he wasn't qualified to make. bannon's lawyer today also got into it with the journal. what happened? >> bannon's lawyer soundly objected and basically said this isn't the justice system that i know. he still has appeals rights. he still could seek a rehearing from the d.c. circuit or go

simpson killed ron and nichole.lian, to slash her tires on her car. and that's why he went. he didn't have time, if he had thought it through in a half hour, to do all of what he did had he thought that through. he had slit her tires a month before and he always used to go into the courtyard to stalk her and look through her window. i think that's when ron goldman walked in he had seen ron with nichole before and he went nuts. >> gillian: wow, we could go on for the rest of the show talking about it. it is fascinating what you are uncovering. hope to get you back on soon. everybody at home watch the documentary on tubi. thank you for taking time for us. >> it is free on tubi. >> bill: tubi is part of the fox families. stories from the past. we're minutes away from the u.s. supreme court releasing its next round of decisions and we could get some blockbuster decisions. stand by. we're waiting on all of that moments away. turn shipping to your advantage. with low cost ground shipping from the united states postal serv

and i always appreciate nichol. i let me go to you 1st here because we have had a lot of events happening very, very quickly. let's take a look at the end of last week when we had a president put in a dressing, russia's diplomats and sending very clearly messages about how and negotiated and to this conflict could start at least the beginning of negotiations. we have to parse that there. and then of course we have the media coverage of the swiss a so called peace initiative by ukraine. um, i think, you know, when i looked at, i looked at that all bits and in its entirety, its still tower t. we had russia and yeah, and i can see how to do that with the equations would disagree with what to put in that just say, but it least was a starting point. what we got over the weekend was no starting point at all. it was just more of a propaganda effort to prolong the, the conflict and to give the appearance. but it had some kind of global consensus. so your thoughts over the last week or so, go ahead and i think you're right t

although there's no, no, no, no, no nichol, i, i have to stop you there and you know, serious. so what's a less than serious meaning what? well, i mean, for a, for example, they've vaunted at 60 ins. everyone's talk all about, well, they're not going to ukraine is lock at a station. those uh, the, that aircraft inside of ukraine. okay. number one, the maintenance is, is enormous. the, the runways are very sophisticated. these planes need to be for a landing, you know, on uh, basically an ice skating rink. it has to be really, really flat. so they're gonna station them in romania and poland. why would russia refrain from destroying those airfields? because of a reluctance of russia to escalate the matter which turns basically the give the initiative over to nato. i think what we're likely to see is a number of air skirmishes over you cray. and if those should, for some reason not go well for russia, then i think the military options expand, but i suspect that at least initially rusher expects to do well in these conflicts. and again, we have historical precedent. we have a fight

i mean, for the reasons as a nichol. i just presented to us because there's a fuller picture out there. and you know, i see it with every passing day. well another country takes their name off of the the, the communicate at the end of the conference here. and even you have the me, you create him for administer, say, basically maybe next time we should invite the russians. i mean, the whole thing turned out to be a complete waste of time and it didn't help ukraine. you're good. oh, i don't see how would move the needle for ukraine whatsoever. so it was a real bus that way. and i agree with nikolai. i mean, if you look at the broader picture here, there is something to start negotiating. but the, it's not coming from the ukrainian slash nato side. go ahead. look, i found, i think, as you say that it's the beginning of the end for you brain on this cultural shows clearly that the support is dwindling on long b supposed partners. i mean my toll our eyes later, the summit and the left early bite. indeed, they even gone, etc,

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that was what nicholls had found earlier. let me unpack hello. this and certainly i'm not above clarification if you think it's necessary to do so, but let me talk for the audience's perspective on the case. you just described. i'm just going to in plain speak this comes down to notion of advice of counsel and whether that was a willful action by steve bannon to not comply with the subpoena if it was advice of counsel, i think he wanted to argue that list send it wasn't a deliberate act. it was advice of counsel. he was following and that's why didn't provide the information or respond. they'd court though did fine, although they did wait some time that they were their hands were tied on the idea of it had to be a deliberate, intentional act and that was enough to go forward in this case. and so here you are. >> getting ready to appeal this matter. likely. i'm assuming all way up the supreme court, if necessary, peter navarro though, did try to appeal to the supreme court what would make this instance different to you? >> navarro was cases comple

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>> that relates to the question you have asked me which is that judge nichols thought that c1 should limit c2. he said the relevant thing about c1 is a deals with records, documents and other objects that means c2 should be limited only to other acts that impair physical evidence. judge katzmann had looked at the requirement that takes actions that impairs the ability or use of evidence and he defined a broader gloss. >> they are applying the same doctrine of different aspects of it. i think you do that as well. alters, destroys and mutilates are the common elements. what if you are doing and what you are doing it too. you apply both of those as it is said, controlling and defining. it should involve something that is capable of alteration, destruction and mutilation. with respect to the record or document. >> i don't even understand -- >> when you apply that doctrine as we did on friday, it responds to some of the concerns that have been raised about how broad c2 is. you can't just tack it on and say look at it as if it is standing alone. because it does not. >> let me respond to th

but it is pretty clear that judge nichols finally decided enough was enough there is no reason for stevewill be now joining peter navarro, perhaps in the same facility. perhaps not because peter navarro is serving his sentence for the identical contempt of congress priors. >> and these four months might be the shortest sentence that steve bannon gets. he is facing money laundering charges in new york city, a case brought by alvin bragg that is being heard, by the way, by judge juan merchan who was, of course, busy with the trump case. now he is not so busy perfected speed up the banning case in new york city. and there, that is the case where donald trump actually pardoned steve bannon for the federal version of that case. he had already been accused and indicted federally. but donald trump issued a pardon to a limited the federal case, alvin bragg picked it up as a state case. >> yeah, and it is nice to see once donald trump did that enormous favor for steve bannon and pardoned him for charges that, at their core, involved steve bannon stealing from trump's supporters, claiming he was g

joining me now is tom nichols, former professor at the u.s. naval war college.s a staff writer at the atlantic, where he is the author of the daily newsletter. and a washington post opinion columnist and msnbc political analyst. good to have you both with us. tom, i will start with you. there are two problems. trump's gibberish as you call it and the coverage of trump's gibberish as i was making light of earlier with alex. how do you present the sharks and electrocution stupidity that we just saw there on the evening or local news? how do you cover that so that when people in america see it they are not laughing about it and dismissing it like an old man who has gone senile, but a man who wants to have the codes to the nuclear weapons. >> one thing is adding headlines that reflect reality. instead of saying things like trump talks about not taxing tips in las vegas. i think the lead, the real headline for that day is former commander in chief goes on mystifying rant about dying from sharks and electrocution. and what happens i think often in the media is that we

with us now, tom nichols, staff writer at the atlantic. and former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst. great to have all three of you with us. tom, i will start with you and this dr. phil interview. a bit of a head-scratcher, but dr. phil tried to give trump an opportunity to walk back these threats of vengeance, but the ex-president could not help himself. has trump's revenge tour kicked into overdrive postconviction? >> dr. phil tried to do what everyone tries to do when they talk to him. hannity and other interviewers, to say stop scaring people until you are elected. get off this ledge and he never takes the opportunity, because he needs it. i think it is important to understand that he means it in part because he is who he is, but also because this is what his voters want. they feel humiliated by 2020, humiliated by the fact they were suckered in by donald trump. i've said it for years. in their hearts they know they are wrong and that produces a tremendous amount of stress and cognitive dissonance on a lot of people. when tru

i think it becomes potentially harder on the judge nichols view. judge nichols seem to think that prove instruction -- >> you read our discussion on corruptly yesterday. it's clear. you endorsed th robertson view. could you tell me atou feel about the walker view? judge walker being part of the majority. i assume you know that. >> judge walker articulated an idea thatruptly has to turn excly on the government being able to show the defendant sought to secure unlawful advantage for himself or someone else. that's one way for the government to prove corrupt and intent. the theory of the case that the defendant is violating the tax unlawful advantage.rts to secure will be correct for the court to suggest that's the exclusive chanism that the govt trying to prove unlawful means committed with wrong doing. there's no basis in theommon has long been understood toly limit the government's ability to prove it. only with that one specific way that judge walker pointed to. >> appears to be the fear that reading the government' yesterday's case or today, on i

where to start, tom nichols? where to start with president donald trump? it does have to end. for those who are conservatives, and there are many in this country, they need a future. they need someone to vote for any ideas to debate. none of this will happen until president donald trump is out of the way, not just president donald trump, but this whole concept he has brought to light in america. >> there are three groups when you talk about republicans. one is the donald trump base, the colt that is now the base of the republican party. then there are the republican electives, who are coward -- hour of the opportunist. they have no reason not to speak out against trump and they still somehow think they are going to be movers and shakers in some thing. then there is the third group of normal, patriotic american conservatives, people who are right of center who disagree with people on the left who really have nowhere to go, but they are a small group and they are trapped in between a cult who could not care enough about upper right or left door down and only care about this real

has of course been racks at 4 years ago nichol. i why do you think this is not really been a topic and discussion in the media or among political each leads despite the fact that it has been, had such a significant change as in the okay. i think it's due to the political situation about 60 percent of british now say that breaks it has been a mistake. so the conservative find it hard to campaign on breakfast because it has not been a success, even the breasts of voters who are still for breakfast, think it was handled badly, and then labeled as afraid of talking about breakfast because they went to re when the labor vote us went to the conservatives and 2019 who still regard breaks that s and the chief went. and so neither of the major party has an interest, at least at the moment, to make breaks at a club part of the campaign. now for many watching oliver given what we've just talked about, you know, i think an international audience might be asking, okay, for x, it hasn't gone as planned. if so many people are disillusioned with i

in fact, armenia as prime minister nichol pushing on, criticize russia for, failing to stop azerbaijan taking over nagondo colorado. last year you said, depending on, on the roster for secure they had been a strategic mistake and it's telling russian soldiers truly, there is no plan to close. did you my base yet? soldiers have been here since 1941 house just across the road. but the russian troops have started to withdrawal from the east for they have been strengthening the border with azerbaijan. some people here are concerned with us. this is waistcoat. we do. if the russian army leaves us will be attacked right away, you do both by turkey and as are by john. thank god they're here level. so we live freely and well me. so you are a few. but after us a by john took over and a garner car, a boss last year 90 last at the trust in russia and liked our government are looking was for answers to not do is look, if there were nato soldiers, it would be better. our opponents would be more afraid for some russians living here, that change of heart is a great many like to it's shawna came here

but this, this, this, this, this nichol that came from indonesia sitting in one year of input to go and make the change. so the question is, what is the issue? you actually want the k one's to secure a strategic mentor? exactly. so i didn't know it just rick, but with us instead of you know, con, because even push the button. no, we open the opportunity for you to come and to invest in indonesia, you know, as what the chinese gallery and japanese canadians, the french. what's the different with the french and then brussel? it's the same stuff, but it's, it's a reality french investment ever. you hope to have a, to a german company investing in this area. so, you know, what's, what's the, what's the, what's the method? and if you have a concern about your new goal, there's not a green enough to come and assist us. we are open for your assistance. be open for you. discussions if, if you want to be part of the discussion that is inclusive non calling alice take uh, you know, uh, just this uh, you know, extend your hand so you say that he was behaving in a, as in a colonial lising model. it

but this, this, this, this, this nichol that came from indonesia sitting in one year of input to go and make the change. so the question is, what is the issue? you actually want the k uh wants to secure a strategic my not exactly. so i didn't know it just rick, but with us instead of you know, con, because even push the button. no, we open the opportunity for you to come and to invest in indonesia, you know, as what the chinese gallery and japanese canadians, the french. what's the different with the french and then brussel? it's the same. so it's, it's a reality french investment. maybe you hope to have a, to a german company investing in this area. so, you know, what's the, what's the, what's the, what's the method? and if you have a concern about your nickel, there's not a green enough to come and assist us. we are open for your assistance to be open for you discussions if, if you want to be part of the discussion that is inclusive non calling alice take. uh, you know, uh just this uh, you know, extend your hand so you say that he was behaving in a, as in a colonial lising model. it'

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>> jennifer nichols. >> yeah. >> yeah.. she denied the allegation, telling us that, "it is a false statement. the only guidance ever given to jason autry was to tell the truth. there was no training." >> that's the worst that i've ever felt in my life, coming back knowing that you just lied and put an innocent man in prison. >> now he has no benefit to be gained other than, morally, to address the remorse. this isn't helping him whatsoever. he's facing sentencing on federal gun charges. >> but it's important to remember that one way or another, jason autry is an admitted liar, and prosecutors argue that his recantation now should not get zach adams a new trial. saying, "mr. autry's credibility was thoroughly impeached during cross-examination at trial and that the jury was aware of inconsistencies in his testimony." they also contend that autry's testimony was vetted and corroborated. >> what do you think of the fact that jason recanted his confession? >> i'm glad. i'm glad he's telling the truth. it's about time. i wish,

>> the question you me, justice nichols thought c1 should limit c2. it deals withecords, documents and other objects. that means2 ould be limited only other to physical evidence. hey are just applying the same doctrine to different aspects of it. you do that as well. one of the common elements, alters, destroys and mutilates a record or a document. youave the fist few what you doing. you will both of those in controllingnd defining the term that follows. so it should involve sothg past capable of alteration and mutilation. when you apply that doctrin it responds to some of the concern raised about how broad c2 is. you can't just say look at it as if it's standing alone. it's not. >> let me respond to that in tw ways. i want to address any concerns about brett. more fundamental point i think, i n' know understand petitioner suggesting you can mix and match the verbs an nouns from c1 and c2 in this way. c2 focesn physical objects. it wouldn't apply to things like testimony because of the litaon he gleaned from c1. the basic point the'sothing in the text