although i live in south korea e now, it still troubles m think about the north korean children who suffer out there like i used to. (translated): north korea is al a society that has flen ill. it's a diseased society that needs to be cured. thour footage is forcing n korea to acknowledge the hardships that their people face. because if the truth gs out, it would put kim jong un's power under threat. narrator: jiro ishimaru smuggles footage out of the country, but there is also a steady flow of information back in. fe jeong kwang-il is a deor living in seoul who smuggles foreign films and tv shows into north korea. (translated): hie men prefer watc action films. men love their action films! i sent them skyfall recently. the women enjoy watching soap operas and dramas. they like that kind of film. now they're sharing thumb drives a lot. even officials have one or two thumb drives. north korea is trying to hunt them down because the thing that changes people's mindsets is popular culture. it probably has the moimportantt de narrator: jeond his partner, also a defector, are on their way to th

he was then unveiled to the north korean public in this state-produced documentary. narrator: kim jong un succeeded hifather and grandfather to become the new leader of north korea. in north korea, reverence for age, experience. these things matter. and now you are sort of parading around this 29-year-old guy who did noliserve a day in the miry. i doubt that people genuinely have the kd of feeling towards kim jong un as they did for kim jong il. (translated): we would say, how can this boy who's still wet behind the ears be in power? but the north korean government spread these rumors that althe was young, he was very wise. tht's what the government k saying. narrator: jiro's undercovell footage shows peoplever the country being forced to prove their dedication to the new leader, but some resenting having to it. these soldiers were ordered to build a railroad from kim jong un's birthplace to pyongyang to mark him coming to power. narrator: the undercover footage even sho a local official criticizing k jong un's successio narrator: to compensate for his lack of experie

secretary pompeo emphasised when he thought there was progress and the north koreans, the north koreans, that was not a pulling the plug statement, that was a sort ofjiggling with the plug and pushing back and pushing their agenda. we willjust have to see where it moves in the next stage. should much of these issues have been clarified before the meeting with president trump and kim jong—un? that is an interesting debate. there are two schools of thought. the traditional diplomatic approach would be all the preparation leading up to the summit. from a focus on north korea, i would say there is a good logic behind the trump administration approach, which is to start with opening that channel to kim jong—un. their system is very different to ours, and kimjong—un, in particular, has shown inclination to move in a different direction. like south korea, when you open a channel to the top it gives you a window of opportunity. it looks like it's done upside down, but i actually think this is a good method, given the particularities of the north korean system. we know what the united states wa

help us understand that distinction. >> it's not clear what the north koreans mean by that. but the language that ambassador stephens cited worked toward the nuclear-free korean peninsula. reflects their view that south korea is a nuclear ally of the united states. we do not have a no-first-use doctrine. we claim, and i believe it is true, that we have no nuclear weapons on the korean peninsula. the north korean says we have no verification of that. if you want to have verification in our country, we should have verification in -- ok. >> it's been offered. >> it would be really interesting to see. how do you do that? and what kinds of inspections would that be? so ultimately i think the north koreans are interested in an rticle six n.p.t.-like language. nonproliferation treaty language. that we're working toward that. and the way i interpret what they're saying is part of being a nuclear state is to make broad aspirational statements like that and that you've got to do the same thing and someday down the road we'll be there, but don't hold your breath. >> got it. then, ambass

and the response that he got from north korea is that north korean statement. this is not north korea's vision of the path forward. and so that's the harsh reality. >> but evans, i've talked with so many again as to the definition of denuclearization and how that could have different interpretations based on where you're coming from. >> sure. >> how does denuclearization have different interpretations? doesn't that mean get rid of them? >> in the dictionary it does, and in the u.s. diplomatic parlance, it does. but keep in mind that the north koreans continue to use the phrase "the denuclearization of the korean peninsula." or "the denuclearization of the whole korean peninsula." well there are no nuclear weapons in south korea. so what are they talking about? what they're talking about is the elimination of the elements of the u.s./south korea alliance, the u.s. military presence and u.s. capacity to bring to bear all of its military assets should it need to to defend south korea, including strategic assets. that's how the north koreans define denuclearization.

there were two occasions when the north end korean foreign ministry's met. once in bali and once in beijing to discuss nuclear issues. ofy were not speaking only talks in the six party talks, but north korea is always quick to point out these contacts along with the north korean ministry visited to purchase fuel. north korean foreign ministry's officials seem open to further contact if others, namely the united states, are involved. trends andome of the policies evident and passed northbetween the u.s. and korea and between the two koreas that suggest the three-we approach may be the most useful for moving ahead in denuclearization. but what will clinch this is the understanding that the united states, north korea, and south korea are bound up in the larger historical process and which there roles are radically shifting. that meetings have shown north korea today is open to an interim solution. an interim state of affairs whereby reunification remaining is forl of all koreans, future generations to resolve. they have also stated in this meeting said during th

posture review is a movement in the right direction because it says and i'm quoting from here the north korean survival of the regime is paramount and the deterrence strategy makes it clear that north korea if the united states or its allies are attacked with nuclear weapons that that will result in the end of the regime. it's totally destroyed north korea or the model. the npr review stated that we would develop lower yield nuclear weapons to counter the threat of them using lower yield weapons and a variety of contingencies. the posture reviews didn't go far enough and i will end with just this thought that we don't need nuclear weapons against most targets in north korea. the conventional forces are inadequate with maybe a handful that require nuclear weapons. they've have lower yield nuclear weapons. i've posed in the past. that's why we want to do it. if we as collateral damage for the determinethe deterrence it't collateral anymore. you could still destroy the real target of the regime and make it more effective and ethical. [applause] i will build on the many insights and analysis of pr

earlier this year the north koreans said they would hold -- halt nuclear testing. later north korea destroyed some at its one tunnels official nuclear test site. a historic summit, president trump to providing security guarantees to dprk and affirmed his unwavering commitment to of the denuclearization of the korean peninsula. president trump temporarily suspended u.s. and south korea military exercises, and north korea dismantled a missile test launch facility. pastcome of course, in the 24 hours we have seen the state department confirmed that militant transport airport craft -- transport aircraft returned to the peninsula. all the steps are important confidence building steps. is situation you have today still very uncertain and dangerous. secretary of state mike pompeo and his north korean counterpart's unfortunately did not make significant progress in their negotiations on these issues. or thet clear to me association whether there's a throughocess to follow on the ambitious goals outlined by president trump and chairman kim from singapore. going to have to sh

his north korean counterparts let's bring sarah clarke in our correspondent who is in the south korean capital seoul following events for us while the three foreign ministers seem to be certainly on the same page when it comes to dealing with north korea the one thing that was very evident from mike pompei or that he wanted to emphasize that north korea and the talks were on track despite what is being said from pyongyang at the moment. yes that and that's exactly the message is getting across so this is the first time he's actually officially responded since north korean foreign ministry mystery put out there this statement last night he said north korea in the meetings in pyongyang of the last couple days he said north korea reaffirmed reaffirmed its commitment to dig nuclearization details on the next step to confirm that they would meet in july to discuss the repair of the u.s. service members he said they agreed to destroy the nuclear test sites and the obvious stablish these working level groups which will work day to day on moving forward on this denuclearization plan he did ack

we are here today for our peace and talks of north -- the korean peninsula. tensions between north korea, south korea and south korea's allies the united states has not ended. over the course of the last several decades, north koreans pursued dangerous capabilities including nuclear weapons and missile technology to protect their security and to deter potential u.s. aggression. for a long time, beginning with president george h w bush, the united states has sought to use diplomacy and ushered to keep north korea in compliance with its nuclear proliferation treaty obligations by verifiable he halting and eliminating north koreans nuclear weapons capability. ultimately, that agreement and other efforts fell apart as the two sides accused when another of failing to follow through on their respective commitments. today, north korea has a weapons 20-50 warheads. the exact number is not clear. and ballistic missiles that can those to asia. the reality is that any conflict with north korea today would likely involve north korea -- nuclear weapons and the death of mil

the north koreans say we have the verification of that. if you want to have verification in our country we should have verification. would be interesting to see how do you do that, what kind of inspections would that be. so, ultimately i think they are interested in an article six language that we will work in good faith towards the eventual elimination of nuclear weapons. the way that i interpret what they are saying is part of being a regular nuclear status to make brought aspirational statements like that and someday down the road we will be there with your breath. >> that answers my final question a little bit more. i think the best case scenario is that there are negotiations moving forward. we finally get a process. right now all the things we are eluting to buy just think about how we did the treaty and although the secretary has many states to do besides negotiating a treaty that there was nobody named. what's a best case scenario to get it set up and have a process, singapore becomes a place like geneva used to be at the arms cont

meanwhile, the north koreans are doing well. h koreans are planning family reunions, sports delegations, the chinese are lifting bilateral sanctions, the pinch they were feeling in 2017 and 2018 is starting to dissipate. the north koreans feel they are in a good position. we need to go back to the chinese and tell them, put the pressure back on. we can't give up alliance equities, we can't promise to start pulling troops from the peninsula as a way to entice the north koreans, that would be bad. >> kathy, what might be the scenario where kim jong-un returns to north korea, and gets feedback from the military infrastructure, therefore, he is tightening the screws now. >> i am with victor, i think that kim is in a good position. i think one of the defenses of trump in his preaches toward negotiating with kim jong-un. what strikes me is more likely as driving kim to the table is the fact that in his view, as he stated publicly, he completed his nuclear program. he is operating from a position of strength. at no point, has there been

some of his other comments i think really aided and abetted the north korean cause because the north koreans have for decades asked for the removal of u.s. troops from south korea. to see the president get up and say i'm all in favor of it, must have come as a shock to the north koreans and the south koreans. there is a lot of talk about how the south korean government wants to see these negotiations with north korea succeed. it is a so-called prerogative government that has a lot of interest in trying to calm things down with north korea. all true. i think this government of moon jae-in also is concerned of managing the u.s. relationship and if we have a situation where the u.s. is talking to the north koreans of our deployment of south korea, we have a problem on how people are managing that relationship. >> before we end, i want to play you a sound bite, part of an interview of john bolton of how hong it would take to denuclearize. it's a much more aggressive timeline you gave us. you thought at least two years, if at all. the cia people are telling secretary pompeo that they may n

what president trump a set therefore able to achieve it if the north koreans are prepared in fact to denuclearize this includes all elements of their nuclear program if we convinced convince them of that that in fact their security is greater that in fact the real threat to their security is the continued holding onto of that nuclear weight nuclear weapons program and not the converse. sir j. lever off invited kim jong un to russia and passed on a message from president vladimir putin in response the north korean leader sent warm greetings to the president of russia ilia portray co has been following the meeting in on young and got exclusive images from inside north korea. these are our first. the democratic people's republic of korea. so sergey lavrov just departed and we're going to follow him right now. we just left the airport and we're trying to catch up with sergey lavrov but we seem to be a bit far behind or on the way to the capital pyongyang. this is a truly incredible opportunity for us to film inside the place where most high profile meetings and north korea happen just as

and his push for the country to denuclearize the north koreans made those comments after mr pompei went to pyongyang for the latest round of talks now he's since been in tokyo to brief japanese and south korean leaders about progress. the still a lot of work to do but he is confident the north korean leader kim jong un will stick to the promises he made during the singapore summit with the u.s. president donald trump. the road ahead will be difficult and challenging and we know critics will try to minimize the work that we've achieved but our allies like the republic of korea and japan president trump and i believe that peace is worth the effort. and that's something that we all want as allies we share and are committed to the same goal the fully verified final denuclearization north korea has agreed to by chairman kim jong il. is in the south korean capital seoul. also in the message we got out of that press conference this morning was that talks were on track or the tactics of the accusations that north korea had made against the u.s. in the way to engage the north korean delegation i

north korean threat is gone. nothing kocould be farther from the truth, and they're intensifying their effort to break the economic sanctions. that's what's going on. >> in fact, the president tweeted to your point, sir, there was no longer a nuclear threat from north korea. do statements like this weaken our negotiating power? >> of course. because the only people paying attention are the secretary of state and the secretary of defense. the north korean with 2 0 0,000 with over 300 senior people shot by kim jong-un know he's not an honorable man. this kind of nonsense talk may work in real estate deals in new york city, but it's not going to have any impact in north korea. we need to get objective. write down what are we trying to achieve? dialogue is good. the engagement by pompeo is a good thing, not a bad thing. we can't lose our allies as the south koreans and the japanese in the process of this. i think probably the worst thing that's now happening is we're up front giving away concessions without getting a

the north koreans understand that and have not challenged that.arisation makes no sense as an verification. they acknowledged that as well. there will be verification connected to the complete denuclearisation, thatis to the complete denuclearisation, that is what resident trump and chairman kim agreed to. —— president tron. what is most important is what the north koreans understand and demands that the world is making of north korea will be unmistakable, the scope of what denuclearisation means to the north koreans, i have been directly with them. let's speak to the bbc‘s mariko oi, who's in seoul. thank you forjoining us. you have been following the story over the past few days. once again, confusion. the north koreans say one thing and the americans say another. absolutely. quite a difference in how that two—day meeting was interpreted between north korea and mr pompeo. as mr pompeo left for tokyo yesterday he said that the nuclear talks were productive. he landed in tokyo, we saw some tweets from his staff enjoying a japanese sushi dinner. we

also the hacking of north korean computers and on the ground intelligence inside north korea.ey did have those talks over the weekend presumably to tee up these higher level negotiations between mike pompeo and his north korean counterparts. those are expected to happen in pyongyang in the very near future. and we're told the americans will be presenting a detailed list. things that need to be done right now for these denuclearization talks to move forward. if the north koreans are unwilling to do that, then it could be a short meeting. likely vastly different from the american definition. and certainly from the north korean perspective. not something that's going to happen in a matter of months even though officials have continued to hold out hope. we have heard a bit of a change in tone even from president trump himself acknowledging that perhaps the deal they signed with kim jong-un could fall apart. although the deal was such a broadly worded pledge that even if the north koreans are, indeed, expanding their facilities. right now they're not actually violating any agreemen

productive but peeling yang has given a very different account of how top level talks went in the north korean capital just hours after the u.s. secretary of state left the country north korea lashed out at washington described the talks is extremely regrettable. cues the u.s. of pressuring them to abandon their nuclear program but as far as is concerned the discussions were success. reports now from washington. it certainly is concerning when you have two sides of a negotiation who describe their experiences of the same event with such opposing terms first let's also say u.s. secretary of state mike pompei as he's leaving north korea describing what he felt was a successful meeting and we made progress on almost all of the central issues some places a great deal of progress other place there's still more work to be done we've talked about what the north koreans are continuing to do and how it's the case we can get our arms around keeping what jimmy kimmel president proposed agreed to which was the complete denuclearization of north korea there is no no one walked away from that there is still

president and prime minister have started to work on some trust but there has to be trust between the north koreans and the south koreans and in negotiations people want to have trust and enjoy working together. something that secretary of state mike pompeo will continue to do, it is to work that trust and confidence between all three nations as we move the negotiations along. >> melissa: and, i mean, one of those points of building confidence is the idea that kim jong un would be better off after the transition to denuclearize if the economy grew and there are some wondering if that is accurate. if the economy grows, that, sometimes, is when despots get overthrown? >> yes. well, that is one of their biggest issues. and we have not helped. we have not helped by modeling against libya, what we had done in libya. they, one of their concerns is, is there a possible overthrow that happens with this regime. and that is one of their major concerns. and do not want to put anyone in place to be able to be able to do that or anyone to influence that. that is going to be a big issue from the kim jong un admi

in the way to engaged the north korean delegation in the talks that down he suggested that they had gotten open lengthy discussions with north korea about complete. across iran ainge of weapons and he stated if a broad it's a broad definition and the north korean officials understood that now an interesting sort of grab a quote he said if those requests were gangster like the world is a gangster because there was a unanimous decision at the u.n. security council about what needs to be achieved so as mentioned the north korean other accusation suggested the talks were aggressive bull and the relations were in danger. it was quick to to remind everyone to look for that one particular line in that transcript or the the foreign ministry message stating that from north korea we still cherish a good faith in president trump so they're hanging on to that particular message suggesting that all is still ok with regards to the next round of talks between north korea and the united states to get the same sort of indication though. felt that the talks were still on track despite this criticism. yes we

does this demonstrate some of the complexity of dealing with the north korean regime? be a long process. we're look at different types of leadership styles. he's from the old regime, 90 years old, he's been part of the institution of north korea for more than 70 years which is about exactly how long we've had this confrontation. so he's going to have a different way to look at things, more so than this new administration. mike: director of the asia program at the wilson center says quote this is a rejection of u.s. demands for unilateral denuclearization by north korea and a clear message that the u.s. will need to give up more to make progress. this demonstrates the problem of meeting with kim at the beginning, making unilateral concessions and declaring victory. it reduces u.s. leverage and the negotiation allows kim to dictate the pace, tone and terms. your thoughts on that comment? >> well, you can look at it from different perspectives. i look at the summit as being a completely positive outcome. for more than ten years, no one had had successful negotiations with

is something that's not particularly costly for north korea to give up it's difficult for the north koreans to do for technological reasons that's right but it doesn't actually strategically are politically costly for north korea to give up their remains in the same way that is not costly for them to do family reunions you know they like this stuff that symbolize that they want to work with the outside world but without actually making any really significant costs on things that are significantly more important like nuclear weapons you know this isn't a big strategic concession or major political concession right this is more sort of a humanitarian one so i imagine the americans wouldn't give up so much but i imagine the north koreans are asking for some mild sanctions relief somewhere or for some money you know the north koreans often ask for money fuel rice things like that i mean north korea's you know dreadfully poor course and economically rather backward and really needs extra inputs particularly food and fuel and so my guess is that or perhaps just money. now the u.s. government has

now, also of note here, north korean leader kim jong-un did not meet with pompeo. >> joining us now, cnn pentagon correspondent ryan browne. >> ryan, pompeo's and north korea's versions here of the exact same meetings don't seem to match up at all. what exactly does this mean? >> well, definitely. we're hearing very different tones coming from north korea and from secretary of state mike pompeo. now, speaking to reporters while still in pyongyang before boarding his aircraft, pompeo said that progress had been made and he said that both sides remained committed to complete denuclearization of the north korea. >> well, your characterization is interesting. we talked about what the north koreans are continuing to do and how it is the case we can get our arms around achieving what chairman kim and president trump both agreed to, which was the complete denuclearization of north korea. there's no -- no one walked away from that. they're still equally committed. chairman kim is still committed. i had a chance to speak to president trump this morning. you know, my counterpart spoke with chai

the president needs to go back to sanctioning not only the north koreans but the chinese and the russiansis will cause problems in north asia. if we don't do that, they'll get what they want. not give up their weapon. >> shepard: more sanctions? is there any talk of that? >> at the june 21 press conference, president trump said look, i don't want to talk about maximum pressure what he wanted to talk about is how wonderful kim jong-un was. well, maybe kim jong-un is a wonderful guy. maybe he likes president trump. maybe trump likes him. but it doesn't matter. because the north koreans are pragmatic and friendship has nothing to do with this. >> shepard: just to get the facts out, he's not a wonderful guy. he murders his family members, hundreds of thousands have been looked up for the crimes of ancestors. he has gulags and training camps. >> he's a horrific regime. the brutality of treating their own people and their own families. we've seen the excuses of 150, 160 or so senior officials. perhaps the deaths of maybe four or 500 junior officials that have been sent to the camps and we don't

are asking for some mild sanctions will be somewhere or for some money you know the north koreans often ask for money fuel rice things like that i mean north korea's you know dreadfully poor course and economically rather backward and desperately needs extra imports particularly food and fuel and so my guess is that or perhaps just money that's just gone midnight in the us in washington we've had trump tweeting the remains of leaving soon north korea and heading to the u.s. he's calling it a great moment and he's saying thank you kim jong un how much has he got to gain from this you know i think one of the reasons why the m.i.a. returns was inserted in the singapore declaration from a month ago is because so many of the things the north koreans probably aren't going to move on. if you read the declaration the north koreans say complete denuclearization but there's no timeline and so i think donald trump needed something that was more immediately deliverable and this is something that's not particularly costly for north korea to give up it's difficult for the north koreans to do for tech

they were productive but is given a very different account of how top level talks went in the north korean capital just hours after the u.s. secretary of state left the country north korea lashed out at washington describing it thoughts as extremely regrettable yong and also accuse the us of pressuring them to abandon their nuclear program but as far as bio is concerned the discussions were a success we've made progress on almost all of the central issues some places a great deal of progress other places there's still more work to be done we've talked about what the north koreans are continuing to do it how it's the case we can get our arms around achieving what german human president proposed agreed to which was the complete denuclearization of north korea there is no no one walked away from that there is still it would be military became is documented. why the joke castro is in washington will not long after i made that statement we heard very different comments from the north koreans they've said that the u.s. is making unilateral demands of the what could this mean for the nuclear talk

what do you make of the north koreans new demand as will ripley just reported that they are seeking firm guarantees that the regime will survive and that sanctions against north korea will be lifted? >> it's not at all surprising. i think the most important thing to note is we have already given up something very substantial, which when you and i talked previously on this topic, i said i thought something we should not do. that is to cease our military exercises with the republic of korea inned a advantages of any demonstrable progress on denuclearization. we've already given a lot. we need to see the north koreans make concrete progress on denuclearization before we do anything more. >> but isn't the fact that they've not had a nuclear test in nine months, not had a ballistic missile test in nine months, isn't that significant? >> well, it's significant, but let's ask ourselves the question, who has the onus been upon? it has been upon the north koreans who have violated all agreements that have been reached by the international community, multiple u.n. resolutions, sanctions have been

be trade the spirit of last month's summit between president trump and north korean leader kim jong un and the statement said that the u.s. made one sided and robber like demands in this last round of talks which quote may rattle the willingness of north korea to denuclearize now the big question here is exactly how meaningful are these statements is this a sincere expression of how north korea feels or is it in the more likely kill case posturing and certainly the u.s. has done its posture its own share of posturing itself prior to last month's summit in singapore president donald trump threatened to cancel that meeting with kim jong un that was after north korea made an attack with singh with similarly harsh words against the us vice president only to of course have that meeting take place after all so we still have yet to hear a response from trump as to today's statements made in north korean media but if the talks remain on track as they are currently planned we're also seeing mike pompei a likely pulling back his personal role in these negotiations he will likely be replaced with

think we may be allowed to visit north korea in the near future so i want to take a peek into their culture there's room for more of such exchanges in the future the korean film council has set up a committee to look into this and it said to be exploring the idea of filming on location in north korea florence li al jazeera. still ahead on al-jazeera in sport how table tennis is helping bring north and south korea closer together that's just ahead with touch on. it's time for the sports here's a touch on. thank you very much golf's oldest major tournament the open gets underway in scotland in two days' time and all eyes ashore to be on three time champion at tiger woods as he makes his return to the tournament the former wild number one is set to play his fast to open championship since two thousand and fifteen after recovering from his latest bout of back surgery woods made his return to major golf at the masters in april finishing tied for thirty second before missing the cut of the u.s. open in chain but the american believes the conduced a course could be where he has his best chance of adding to his fourteen major titles it's great seeing it on t.v.

the north koreans will be playing games throughout. but it's worth pursuing because tensions have lessened in the peninsula. blake: governor stay right there we want to get this and more with you when we come right back. also want to ask you about the anticipated meeting with the president and putin one week from tomorrow as we look ahead on "sunday morning futures." stay with us. ♪ ♪ you said you're not like me, ♪ you never drop to your knees, ♪ ♪ look into the sky for a momentary high, ♪ ♪ you never even tried till it's time to say goodbye, bye ♪ ♪ everybody fights for a little bit of light, i believe. ♪ geico motorcycle, great rates for great rides. the wonderful thing about polident is the fact that it's very, very tough on bacteria, yet it's very gentle on the denture itself. polident's 4 in 1 cleaning system consists of 4 powerful ingredients that work together to deep clean your denture in hard to reach places. it kills 99.99% of odor causing bacteria and it helps to remove stains. polident should be the first choice of every pe

it would be the first time that the north korean leader would ever go to the u.n.ssembly and it would be hard for me to imagine if that happened that president trump could resist the temptation to have another big media show, a meeting in new york, perhaps even at trump tower on 57th street in order to get the maximum coverage that he can out of another big event like that. >> so the meeting also that according to mike pompeo, says there is another meeting set for july 2we12th not between state department officials but defense department officials. what would you hope would be discussed in that meeting? >> i think that meeting is entirely about the return of the 200 sets of p.o.w. mia remains from the korean war which president trump said that he had already gotten but hasn't gotten yet. and i think the holdup there is that generally the north koreans want us to pay to get those remains back. and i'm sure from the u.s. perspective we don't want to pay for sets of remains that the north koreans have already promised us. >> all right. victor, always good to get your

the north koreans will be playing games throughout.pursuing because tensions have lessened in the peninsula. blake: governor stay right there we want to get this and more with you when we come right back. also want to ask you about the anticipated meeting with the president and putin one week from tomorrow as we look ahead on "sunday morning futures." stay with us. blake: welcome back now. we are with former governor of new mexico, also former u.s. ambassador to united nations, former secretary of energy under the clinton administration and a north korea expert, governor bill richardson. thank you for sticking with us. you had mentioned that you thought the secretary of state pompeo was two or three in his visits to north korea. that would get you into the hall of fame in baseball. but some critics would say this was a pretty big strikeout in the sense that he did not meet face-to-face with kim jong-un himself this time. why do you think kim jong-un made the decision not to meet with the secretary of state when he traveled over there t

and another indicator of business picking up north korean restaurants in dung dong which closed only a few months ago have reopened. i think people are optimistic that once the sanctions are dropped they want to be really well rooted in india and our michael spader is a business consultant who has just made dandong his base he's an intermediary helping people do business in north korea we've got a lot more interest from chambers of commerce from investment groups to look at the situation and to introduce people there's also a lot of interest on the north korean side we're receiving faxes and mails the north koreans are looking for new business partners here as well so the mood is very optimistic right now right across from his apartment is a new luxury development despite its prime location when we visited it last year property sales weren't booming now most of the apartments have apparently been sold for twice as much as the original asking price property prices have gone up and down as the korean peninsula has veered between the prospects of war and peace and right now prices are s

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but not what the north koreans thought at all. absolutely right.e version of events you believe these we re version of events you believe these were either deeply regrettable talks or highly productive. after that summit in singapore they came to a rather vague declaration and america sent its top tips diplomat, mike pompeo to put some flesh on the bone and nail down commitments from north korea. he failed to meet with the north korean leader kim jong owned or get a timetable towards denuclearisation. indeed, he may have set relations back somewhat bearing in mind the statement from the north korean foreign minister which ink used a lot america of making gangster like demands. the problem appears to be the american insistence that north korea engage in unilateral dean the north prefers a more step—by—step approach with some reciprocity on the part of the united states at various points along the way. but the americans have always insisted that is non—negotiable and it is not a possibility. so this could be a protracted process, and it will reply re

productive but beyond yang has given a very different account of how top level talks went in the north korean capital just south of the state left the country north korea lashed out at washington describing the talks it's extremely regrettable also accuse the u.s. a pressuring them to abandon their nuclear program but as far as pumpin is concerned the discussions are a success. we've made progress on almost all of the central issues some places a great deal of progress other places there's still more work to be done we talked about what the north koreans are continuing to do and how it's the case we can get our arms around achieving what chairman kim and president from both agreed to which was the complete denuclearization of north korea there's no no one walked away from that there still it would committee chairman kim is documented well how did you castro's in washington d.c. forests and heidi the u.s. and north korea at all and how the descriptions of how the meeting went. that's right it certainly is of concern when you have two parties of a negotiation that are describing their experienc

on the left, a quote from north korean officials who called the meeting regrettable. h korea takes on the world. good to see you. the north had other nice things to say. they say the united states had robber or gangster-like intentions in this meeting and seemed quite surprised that secretary pompeo wanted them to give up their nuclear weapons, which shockingly i thought they already agreed to, at least the president said they did. can you translate all this for us. >> when the north koreans in the joint statement on june 12th said they wanted to go toward the complete denuclearization of the korean peninsula, they not only talked about them giving up weapon, they felt the u.s. should give up its nukes as well. that's been a consistent position over the course of decades. what we have right now is an impasse. north korea has very provocative language. i think it's time for president trump to turn back the clock and say we're not going to continue with the negotiations if you continue with this very belligerent language. leland: it's provocative and belligerent language

supposed to meet the north koreans yesterday. meeting, about returning remains the u.s. servicemen killed in the korean war and the north koreans didn't front. around midday, the u.s. got word that the north koreans wanted to meet on sunday. the u.s. has agreed to that. but it's another blow to the credibility of this whole denuclearization process, michelle. as you're reporting, sources telling you that it couldn't have gone worse at pyongyang when mike pompeo met kim jong-un. it's just been repeated all over the place with the actions of the north koreans. and now we're getting word that the u.s. is moving at the united nations to tell u.n. members to stop supplying any more fuel to north korea, because they have been sanctions busting. they have evidence, they say, that north korea has been taking on petroleum products, fuel-related products, that they passed their annual supply target -- limit, so the u.s. is trying to persuade the u.n. to tell china and russia to stop now supplying more fuel to the north koreans. so they con

government is closely watching north korean movements and closely working with the united states however i hope you understand that we are not able to speak about intelligence reports. this on the heels of reports that north korea is continuing to enrich uranium in secret and critics say the trumpet ministration is being played by north korea last week u.s. secretary of state mike pompei o faced criticism from within his own party i am afraid there is this point the united states the troubled ministration is being taken for a ride fear not senator fear not. there is no doubt the u.s. intelligence community is watching north korea closely it is unclear however what progress has been made toward denuclearization since the trump him summit. for let's take the story down to the united states phenomena standing by in washington good evening to you carson so what has been the reaction to this report from the washington post. on the white house has not officially reacted to the reports but one of the president's surrogates kellyanne conway has

president trump saying again he trusts north korean dictator kim jong-un to follow through on agreement to get rid of north's nuclear weapons. this comes only days after nbc news reported that u.s. intelligence agencies are convinced north korea has increased its production of fuel for nuclear weapons in recent months. the "wall street journal" also reports that north korea is expanding a missile manufacturing plant, one that makes weapons capable of striking u.s. forces in asia with a nuclear warhead. at a briefing this afternoon, white house press secretary sarah huckabee sanders announced that secretary of state mike pompeo will be departing for north korea on thursday to meet with kim, but she declined to comment about reports that north korea is continuing its nuclear program. >> we aren't going to confirm or deny any intelligence reports. what i can tell you is that we're continuing to make progress. >> you say make progress. how can the public evaluate that progress? what's happening? >> i think a number of things. one, in the last eight months you haven't seen missile launches.

what rich and ellison reported to us, thements from north koreans calling talks with secretary pompeo regrettable among other things. what's next here, what's president trump's next move? >> as far as we know there's no upcoming summit. pompeo left north korea today without any hard indication that north korea is making serious verifiable efforts towards denuclearization. now, it's important to note that north korea has the capability and has proven has the capability to strike the united states with nuclear war head or missile that would call serious destruction. really, they have proven that they have nuclear deterrence. as far as i see united states has two options, continue to push for denuclearization of the korean peninsula or move military engagement. the united states and allies don't want that to happen obviously because there's loss of life and destabilization of north korean peninsula. as far as i see it and push to go try to reduce the threat of nuclear attack on the part of north korea on the united states or anywhere else in the world where our interests are. >> let's ta

the first tangible result that we've seen from the meeting between president donald trump and north korean dictator kim jong un back in june in singapore that was mainly aimed at convincing north korea to give up its nuclear weapons program now transferring his remains has taken longer than some u.s. officials had hoped for but it really is the first step implementing the agreement that the two leaders said they came to back in a singapore and it's a small diplomatic victory for trump he of course says that this is evidence that his willingness to meet the north korean strongman is paying off that conjunction is good for his word and is actually going to follow through on some of the things they discussed and you can really hear that reflected in trump's comments from today let's take a listen to what trump had to say to the north korean leader. or what are they sure were german or. even his word we're pretty sure it is coming. or want to thank germany or for. their behavior for over a promise that he made to break and i'm sure that he will continue through for all the promise as a surgeon

secretary of state even though he has said that he expects to be meeting with north korean officials in the weeks ahead of efforts to try to move this plan to denuclearize north korea of course this also comes at a time when the acting assistant secretary of state for east asia ferret's susan thorton has announced her resignation even though she was on tap to become the permanent on voice for east asia in the trumpet ministration it's being read as perhaps another criticism of the trumpet ministrations foreign policy but she is not speaking publicly about her decision to retire now from the foreign service and then we'll see i've been reports in recent days in which costs down on north korea is willingness to denuclearize what has the president and sang. well the president was asked this question while being interviewed on fox news in the past couple of days and what was said in the sunday broadcast was that he believes that the north koreans are serious he said that he had good chemistry with kim jong il and however his national security advisor john bolton told c.b.s. news also on s

base, to a north korean military base, picked up what the pyongyang regime claims are the remains of rican servicemen. among 5300 still unaccounted for since the korean war, 65 years since the end of combat in the korean war, although a peace treaty still has not been negotiated to officially end that conflict. that's one of the issues. joining me now, bill richardson, former u.s. ambassador to the united nations and energy secretary in the clinton years. thank you very much, ambassador. the ambassador knows very well, he has successfully won the release not only of american hostages from north korea but also brought home the remains of american service members in 2007. ambassador, the president is doing a victory lap and saying the vice president will go to hawaii for a ceremony of return. that said, it takes years to identify what we are getting. they have fooled us before by putting animal bones and cad avers, and it takes years to identify the dna of the service men members for these poor families. >> that's right, andrea. you know very well, you accompanied me for that visit in 2

and i spoke with a source very familiar with the north korean negotiations who feels that north korea has already taken steps. you heard barbara mention the nuclear test site apparent demolition. it was impossible for us journalists to verify what we were seeing, and the fact that north korea hasn't launched anything or conducted a nuclear test since november of last year. north korea feels now it's time for the u.s. to act, and what they want, poppy, above any economic concessions from the united states, is a peace treaty. they want a formal end to the korean war that has technically been ongoing since 1953, because until they get a peace treaty, the north koreans feel that their leader, kim jong-un, and his government could still be in danger of attack by the united states. >> north korea also wants the united states, obviously, to begin lifting sanctions. to be clear, though, the action we have seen in the past few weeks has been cancelled followup meetings, as we have reported on this show. and as barbara noted, this missile engine testing facility, that the president keeps saying