but first, david axelrod, is he spasming you with e mails urging you to support obamacare. how is the white house defending itself? sean: americans around the country have been receiving unexpected e mails from the president's political operatives and it urges support for the president's health care plan, but how did the white house get a hold of these e mail addresses? major garrett put the question to robert gibbs and here's what he had to say. >> speaking of the e mail, how does the list on who would receive it determined? >> i believe it's from people who signed up to receive e mail updates from the white house. >> the reason i have asked, i have received e mails from people who did not seek communication tr the white house and not registered or on a website -- let me finish my question. >> would have never signed up for anything related to this white house, senator obama as a candidate, senator obama as anything and received e mails from david axelrod. >> i would be interested to see how got it from and whether or not they're on the list. >> i would like to know how th

want to stay on that number, because the gal up poll shows, 2-1 independents have moved away from obamacare, why do you think that is happening? >> should we do something about the deficit or health care as the fox poll asked. 57% of overall said, let's do something about the deficit, 34% said health care. among the independents, 59-32. what we had was a flood of spending, $787 billion stimulus, the schip bill, the omnibus spending bill. we had $350 billion in the bank rescue bill, which he voted for last year. that money wept out the door and now he says he has $1 trillion health care bill and the american people said, you're right. we are out of money. sean: the white house spin now is and we have been showing people all week these angry mobsters out there, political terrorists, -- >> evil-doers. sean: they are saying is that the american people are misinformed and not getting the truth but probably watching folks like hannity on fox news. it seems to me that the american people are pretty informed and that's why it happened. are they out of touch? >> i think there are two reasons. i thin

want to stay on that number, because the gal up poll shows, 2-1 independents have moved away from obamacare, why do you think that is happening? >> should we do something about the deficit or health care as the fox poll asked. 57% of overall said, let's do something about the deficit, 34% said health care. among the independents, 59-32. what we had was a flood of spending, $787 billion stimulus, the schip bill, the omnibus spending bill. we had $350 billion in the bank rescue bill, which he voted for last year. that money wept out the door and now he says he has $1 trillion health care bill and the american people said, you're right. we are out of money. sean: the white house spin now is and we have been showing people all week these angry mobsters out there, political terrorists, -- >> evil-doers. sean: they are saying is that the american people are misinformed and not getting the truth but probably watching folks like hannity on fox news. it seems to me that the american people are pretty informed and that's why it happened. are they out of touch? >> i think there are two reasons. i thin

want to stay on that number, because the gal up poll shows, 2-1 independents have moved away from obamacare, why do you think that is happening? >> should we do something about the deficit or health care as the fox poll asked. 57% of overall said, let's do something about the deficit, 34% said health care. among the independents, 59-32. what we had was a flood of spending, $787 billion stimulus, the schip bill, the omnibus spending bill. we had $350 billion in the bank rescue bill, which he voted for last year. that money wept out the door and now he says he has $1 trillion health care bill and the american people said, you're right. we are out of money. sean: the white house spin now is and we have been showing people all week these angry mobsters out there, political terrorists, -- >> evil-doers. sean: they are saying is that the american people are misinformed and not getting the truth but probably watching folks like hannity on fox news. it seems to me that the american people are pretty informed and that's why it happened. are they out of touch? >> i think there are two reasons. i thin

does it seem plausible to you that if obamacare gets passed our costs are gonna come down? >> i don't think so because the canada system for instance was just rated on a value for money basis by a european group that rates all of the european countries. and alongside 29 european countries that were rated, canada came in bottom in value for money. >> well all right, doctor. we appreciate your candor. thanks very much. directly ahead. jon stewart takes on healthcare and we will reply in kind. it will teach the bible in public schools this fall. uh-oh. moments away. ♪ ♪ [ female announcer ] arthritis targets your body where it's weak. where it's vulnerable. ♪ ♪ tylenol arthritis works with your body to block the pain, without interfering with certain high blood pressure medicines like aleve sometimes can. ♪ ♪ so you don't just feel better, you feel better knowing doctors recommend tylenol more than any other brand of pain reliever. ♪ ♪ a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a

let's take a look at how ugly. >> no more obamacare! no more obamacare! no more obamacare!>> tell me what page it's on. what page is it on? >> it is in the bill. >> what page? >> go and sit down. >> you want to talk about conspiracies? i'll tell you about conspiracies! >> one day god's going to stand before you and he's going to judge you. >> kill the bill! kill the bill! kill the bill! >> i want to know if it's coming out of my paycheck? yes or no! >> your employer supports the bill. >> i want an answer to the question! >> moyers: kathleen, what's playing out here? >> people who are angry and frustrated and not necessarily well informed, in part driven by people who are on the other side of the reform effort. and it's driving into news evocative visuals that are leading the public, i think, to overgeneralize the extent to which there is principal, reasoned dissent from health care reform. >> it's part of our democracy, but i think it's actually kind of sad because the left doesn't like this legislation a lot. they're not really enthusiastic about it. they would prefer a si

he talked about those of us that oppose obamacare as "bearing false witness," urging them to speak the truth. he said, "i am my brother's keeper." he said that this is a moral and ethical obligation. if the president uses it in that moral light and thinks he is morally superior in his views, that tells me he will not stop anything. >> i find that to be disingenuous, bringing faith leaders into a conference call to talk to them about supporting a bill that would allow for the government to pay for the abortion of babies, to talk to them about supporting a bill that at best raises the question about end of like decisions -- and of life decisions. i found that to be disingenuous. the pastors i spoke to at a roundtable here in in arkansas tonight looked me in the eye and said it makes it very difficult for him to believe he has to sell something that he knows is not comprehensible. sean: via -- the white house has done some focus groups and some polling. the president says "health insurance reform," it is not " health care reform." they keep using republican words like "choice." it will no

polling for the president, personal approval, right track, wrong track, obamacare, it's all going downhill now we had discussion about the death panels and the senate said they are going to move the provision that they told the american people didn't exist in the bill. and we spotted it on pages 425-430. how do you remove something thaw said didn't exist? >> it's magic. yes, it is, sean, magic. sean: what do you make of the polls? >> this is what i think. the american people, once that came out -- i know palin was criticized for saying it, but once the truth came out, people are not -- the american people are smart. they understand that one little issue can turn into something else if this passes. senator grassley, he removed that. he said the senate was going to remove this provision because it made people uncomfortable and the american people are the ones that the president needs to work for. and if the american people don't want that, then they shouldn't have that in the legislation. i think that is the most important thing here, it's what the people want. >> you can add other provision

what brought everything together was the obamacare idea. >> why do you call it obamacare? kennedycare today? is it obamacare? health insurance reform? kennedycare? >> democrats aren't calling it obamacare. who is calling it -- >> no it is kennedycare officially. i can't keep track of the name changes. they change it every time a focus group comes back. that is the issue that has brought everybody together. we find that there are different priorities. here in sacramento, the main focus after we leave here, the rally will be taken over by farmers and other kurns who need water which is being denied to them for the sake of a minnow. you want food or a minnow. the legislature will be taking that matter up in a couple of weeks and they are here to be heard. michigan will be jobs and the disast trous condition that state is in. >> it's about big government? the intrusions of big government and power and spending. >> to be fair, yes. >> so the argument then is you indicated this has been growing in it's momentum. where was the bus tour? when the bush administration cropped up? he

they're a distraction from the emotionalism and the anecdotes with which obama is trying to sell obamacare and look, what they're doing to people like you who ask the questions. you're getting deride, you're getting mocked when you bring up these real and value liz concerned about end of life issues. they treat it as if it's a joke. even though there are a few outliers there, a few dissenters, even in the mainstream media, who are now questioning those sections of the bill. this is what the obama administration and the democrat majority didn't want. that's why they were dreading this long, hot recess. because the longer it takes, the more time we have to digest it, to question it, and to challenge it. sean: i brought this up with you last week, when your book hit number one on "the new york times" list, i pointed out that the top books in the country now, it's your boobling, mark levin was number one for 13 weeks, dick morris was number one on "the new york times" with his book so clearly, there is an appetite. what has happened to the media in this country, michelle, where we're getting m

we have to say no to bailouts and note to obamacare in node to capt. trade. -- and no to tap and trade. [applause] >> please direct your attention to the television screens for special message from georgia congressman dr. tom price, the chairman of the republican study committee. >> i am congressman tom price and i represent georgia and i have the privilege of chairing the committee. thanks to all of you for traveling to pittsburg this weekend. it is conventions' just like these were ideas and discussions will come together to create an atmosphere where 21st century conservative movement can take hold and thrive. now, more than ever, this is the time to come together and lay the foundation for a new tomorrow. as you know, our freedoms are under attack in washington. president barack obama, nancy pelosi and the democrats in charge card taking part in an experiment. there is a two trillion dollar increase in our deficit. their tax plan will place a job bird and plant during a time of economic -- economic distress. it will destroy that quality care that a

mccain got away from his own message which was his life story and got people interested in obamacare? am i right about that? >> i am not sure i would agree. the celebrity ads way summer diversion and a campaign that long you need occasional diversion said do not mean a lot but the mccain people realize what they were doing. their view is he had come back from that foreign trip which was an extraordinary 10 day trip, he was soaring and they looked at him and steve schmidt said a candidate, a good candidate may get 25 or 30,000 feet in terms how well they're doing or being treated with the press. clan san at the best was 25 and barack obama is the 50,000 and we had to do something we could not bring him down so we had to do was to elevate him up so he was out of the atmosphere and a sink of his own weight so they can up with the idea of the celebrity ads. voters did not think much of those ads, but the obama people were rocks. they were started -- stung with the idea he was be called a celebrity they said we better not play on this but it turned out to the month of august the mccain cam

obamacare is dismissed conjures up dark images of special interest and dishonest insurance companies,s a lot of time highlighting some of the bizarre rumors when he should focus on trimming his program and doing a better job. the president is hemmed in most of all by his own promise. he made a ridiculous promise when he ran for president and that's what's called a ridiculous promise, no one earning less than $250,000 a year would face any tax increase at all but his health plan is too fat, too big, too costly, expects 2 million million to pay the costs. you face some tough choices, themr. president. you should cut the program back. zoom up on two groups, 15 million people who want health insurance but can't afford it and 15 million people who have insurance but pay for it themselves, don't get it through that iremployers. ensure high cost product care. you've got to go less or raise taxes on all of us because the two just don't jive. thank you for watching. i'm dennis kneale. see you tomorrow night. he ran off with his secretary! she's 23 years old! - oh, come on. - enough! you get ha

john mackey's editorial against so-called obamacare has tarnished the chain for people like mark rosenthal. he started a "boycott whole foods" group for people who disagree with the c.e.o.'s health care views. >> whole foods built their brand on offering progessives, especially extra value for their product, cut the principles that mackey was espousing. make me think, this is not the company i thought i was supporting. >> reporter: the group, started last friday, already has 16 thousand members on facebook and is also spreading the word on twitter. at first whole foods responded that the op-ed was mackey's personal view. but in a statement today, the company says it branding expert robert passikoff says the emotional reaction to the c.e.o.'s op-ed will cost the company. >> these days, in this economy, a loyal customer can be worth quite a bit of money, if you even just extrapolate out against the people who felt angry enough to list their names on the facebook boycott page and multiply that out times their weekly buys, that adds up to a lot of money. >> reporter: financial analysts doubt t

but the fact is that the polls on the obamacare have gone south ever since july 22, when he held his press conference, long before any of the bible stuff for the town halls. it is because the substance does not hold up, and what killed it is the objective numbers out of the congressional budget office. it was not republicans, it was not the blue dogs. it was the fact that the numbers don't add up. >> it is not holding up because the administration has not been able to define what it is. most people cannot tell you what it is all about. it is extremely confusing. i am regularly confused by it. obama seems to me -- maybe it is too late -- but if there was ever a time for a president to show leadership, it is now, not just for the public, but with congress. he will have to find a clear way of articulating what he wants. >> he gave himself an hour of prime time in the press conference in which he devoted almost exclusively to health care, and he cannot explain it, as you said. nobody understands what exactly is he doing. >> there is no bill. he stuck to the press conference with the thou

just released fox news opinion dynamic poll, 49% of americans oppose obamacare. just 34% favor it. when asked if they are satisfied with the way things are going in america, 61% say they are not satisfied. just 38% say they are. in a rasmussen pole, the president's job at the lowest level ever. >> from asbury park fug. >> well, it's a pretty stunning- >> the president's numbers have been slipping steadily. he was at 53%, the same share of the vote he got last november until about a month or so ago and his numbers have been sliding. the significant number is not the overall job approval, it's the fact that independents are breaking away from the president. what's happening is a lot of frustration has been accumulated, playing out in health care. voters were opposed to bailouts. they're overwhelmingly opposed to g.m. and takeovers. most opposed the clash for clunkers program and there was just this frustration people were feeling and it's coming out in play in the town halls we're seeing in the form of debating healthcare but it's really a bigger issue. >> what about pennsylvania, a

. >> no obamacare! >> reporter: opponents of health care reform insist the proposed changes would put private insurance companies out of business. that's false. >> if anything, this expands private health insurance for people. >> reporter: but at contentious town hall meetings across the country, the issue keeps coming up. >> we want people to stay in their insurance. that's our goal. >> bull! that's not true at all! >> reporter: this is really a crucial question, because polls show that most americans are perfectly happy with their own doctor, and they're wary that any reform might force them to make a change. the president has been unequivocal. >> if you've got health insurance, you keep your plan. you keep your doctor. i don't want to take it over. >> reporter: his opponents quote chapter and verse to challenge that. president obama says you can keep your doctor. do you believe that? >> not from page 16. page 16 effectively regulating out private insurance. >> reporter: what page 16, section 102 of t

they are moving away from obama and obamacare.e has the lowest numbers since he has been president. >> it is down to 47%. he did it to himself. the aarp endorsement, come on. he was called on the carpet on it. he was on tape in 2003 stating that he was a fan of single pay. he said it. sean: steve, you follow polls. i know you like barack obama. as attacking -- attacking the american people as a strategy, independents move away from him 2-1. >> he did not attack anybody. there were remarks made by members of congress. sean: shut up, get out of the way, we will clean up. >> not barack obama. that is not barack obama. let's talk about health care reform. you have an opportunity where 70% of what is being talked about on capitol hill, people agree with the business community, health insurance industry. insurance reforms, cost spending, those things people are concerned about, they want them addressed. they want health reform and they want it now. >> they do not want government health care. that is restructuring insurance companies. i

know why there were not refusals or disclosures from david axelrod every time he went on tv to push obamacare at the same time that his former firm was getting money to advertise for it. we are getting a lot of the niles, a blanket denials from the white house. every time the white house deny something, they admit the accusers were right. that was the case with these e- mails. fox news was the first and only one to question them on that. i think all of this requires a white house reality check. where are those people to investigate fishy deals and fishy information, or lack thereof? sean: we have more evidence of the thug-style politics. henry waxman sent out a letter. 52 insurance companies are the recipients. there's a demand for documents about compensation, chris -- business practices, clearly an effort that they want to go up there and intimidate and use this as a form of demonization of the health-care industry that they have enough focused their attention on in terms of heating. this is health insurance reform. this is not government-run health care. does that concern you, the intimida

that obamacare would create death panels. he didn't really back down. every, single independent group that looked at it, said it just isn't true. >> well, why did the democrats turn down our amendments that clarified that none of the decisions that would be made by this board would in any way affect the depriving of the needed treatments for patients? i don't know why they did that then. >> you see that backdrop there. we were at the grand canyon. the senator trying to put a spot lights on the situation of our national parks right now. we saw some magnificent condors out there. we covered a lot of ground. the wars in iraq and afghanistan. how is senator mccain -- mrs. ted kennedy, that senator obama is likely to see. and where he expects to cooperate, with president obama going forward. we have that coming up. also, a power house roundtable this morning. george will is back from vacation. he'll be joined by david fromme. they will be debating robert reich and paul krugman. >> looking forward to all that. that has to be the best backdrop for an interview

the first step for obamacare would be to honestly budgets he ran on transparency and honest accounting so that is hopefully something he will do. right now he does not because i will not paying him up for it yet but he adopted the bush should ministrations policy of not counting present cost as part of enforcement. that is like not counting the treatment center cost in the treatment center side. if the goal is to get to something balanced like a 50/50 spending ratio and does it honestly and counts prison cost two 1/2 to spend more money on drug court and treatment and other ways to approach demand that is probably the best direction. there is some good news of one bill that came out of the house basically eliminates this campaign, this anti-drug media campaign that has been running protect aids. there have been a bunch of studies that show it is not effective and some studies show it inclined some kids to try drugs after they see the ad. that is what the committee report roche where we spending millions of dollars on his campaign that cannot prove its effectiveness? i asked the drugs a

have that strangle in case something does happen, in case we have something that works out with obamacare, and i get to be long options during september and october when i want to be long options. so two good things that can make that trade work. >> now, the implied has come out on j & j so options are cheaper, how about the hmo stocks that might be a little bit more interference with their run-ups if we see some reform pass? >> you're right, j & j options are historically really cheap and often for a reason. but the insurers are still pretty pricey. some of the pharma names are not so pricey, but you really have to step up to the plate if you're going to buy options on some of the insurers for the very reason that the options are expensive because we don't know what's going to happen and they are the ones that are going to have their ox gored. >> i agree with you, scott, and keep an eye on wellpoint, aetna, and unh because i -- and i know you are, scott. >> yeah. >> you can bet if we come back from the break and the congress is really bullish about this that those stocks are going to get

no me obamacare! no morobamacare! >> tell me what ge it's on. what page is ion?>> it is ithe bill. >> whapage? >> go and t down. >> you want to talk out conspiracies? i'll tell you about conspiracies! >> one day god's goingo stand before you and he's gog to judge you. kill the bill! kill the bil ki the bill! >> iant to know if it's coming t of my paycheck? yes or no! >> your empler supports the ll. >> i want an answer tohe question! >> moys: kathleen, what's playing out here? >> people who are gry and frustrated and not necesrily well informed, in part drin by people who are on e other side of the refm effort. anit's driving into news evocative vials that are leading the public, i thin to ergeneralize the extent to which there isrincipal, reasoned disnt from health care refm. >> it's partf our democracy, but i thk it's actually kind of sad becse the left doesn't like this legislation a t. they're not really enthuastic about it. they would prefer a singleayer approach wh more government. anon the conservative side, they're not crazy out it eith. they would like a

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. >> i wanted to know your thoughts on obamacare, and astroturfing these town hall meetings. >> >> anddoesn't fulfill my aphorism of what -- you know what the liberals are up to because of what they accuse you of. there is one guy who was written up in "the new york post" and who slipped after the campaign finance law was signed by president bush. he worked for pew. he said that there was no grass roots movement, but we fake them out. he is on tape saying it. it is common sense. the people are calling for campaign finance reform. nobody cared. politicians were fooled into believing it. the worst schools that i did not think of as bush league schools, but the jesuits schools are bad at turning out little monsters. in loyola in chicago they apparently were not even students. they were standing in the back screaming their heads off with the mauls a vulgar things you have ever heard. there were a lot of cops there so they arrested the first guy. struggles, and you get the cops out of the room. the cop arrested some of them and later told my bodyguard, which i need on college campuses becau

by the way, this type of procedure would not be covered under obamacare megyn: a lot of our neighborsup yrç hand in your index finger is shorter than your ring fing, you are a man. if your index finger is longer than your ring finger, you are a woman. is there any truth to that? >> that is baloney. megyn: i am looking at my hands, and i may be a man. bill: thank you. that moment says she has been humiliated for years. megyn: the family said that. bill: anyway, what is coming up? megyn: questions of family and religion unfolding in a court room. a teenage runaway says if she is forced to go home to her parents in ohio, she will be killed in an honor killing. and a florida judge has to decide whether or not she will return. bill: and where is america on alth care reform? why fresh data is getting the attention of congress and the white house. >>ç we should not be discussing any government-run program because the history of these programs are what? tell me. they have gone down the tube. why doesn't aarp insist that the government' takes care of medicare, medicaid first before we do any

i think that the opponents of obamacare have gone too far to call it a death panel.y day, you just do not need it written up in a national health-care plan. angry mobs, grassroots, and astrotuf. >> we have had thousands of people attending town hall meetings. these are average citizens. the idea that you would call them a mob offends them in defense those who watch. it is one of the big mistakes that the obama administration has made making fun of or criticizing people who are generally concerned about their health care. gretchen: it is also some members of the media. you say chicagoland angry grassroots protesters. maybe people will be listening to your word description. you actually look at how this worked. quote the democrats react favorably to it and the republicans do not. let's take a look at one of the angry mob commercials. >> and as republicans and their well funded allies are organizing angry mobs. their goal? destroy president obama and stop the change that americans voted for overwhelmingly in the primary. >> i hope he fails. >> this mob activity is strai

to sell obamacare.geles that people were trying to stop the health-care takeover because they did not want to support a president that "looks like her." steve: we have the exact sound bite. listen to the congresswoman. gretchen: does it have anything to do with race, or does it have to do with his policies? >> she is trying to make it about race. she is accusing her opponents of fear mongering, which is exactly what she is indulging in. theçó new leap to her endorsemet of both fidel castro and the mass mu@dgr rate marxist guerrilla, and they're really quite appalling. not just the comments, but the fact that they were met with so many instances of applause by her own voters. the historical ignorance is just appalling. she recognizes that people go to cuba and take a look at the health care system. i'd recommend that she goes to miami and talk to cuban refugees who escapedÑi that and wanted prevented from happening here. brian: will she pay a price for this? it is beginning to get everywhere. is she goin

nys say romneycare is basely obamacare minus the public option. >> if he drops the public option, willupport him? >> it depends on what's in the rest of the bill. >> reporter: romney says democrats only have themselves to blame for those rowdy town hall meetings. >> i think anytime you're dealing with people's health care and their ability to choose their doctor, their ability to desite what kind of health care plan they want, you're going to have people are going to respond very emotionally. >> reporter: as for that other former governor's now debunked claim that reform would lead to death panels -- what did you think about governor palin talking about death panels? >> i hadn't read that into the bill. >> reporter: you think it's okay for the governor of alaska to talk about death panels and -- >> i'm not going to tell people what they can and cannot talk about. >> reporter: but he warns bipartisanship is the only road to health care reform. >> i think right process for the president to pursue on health care on an issue that is so emotional and so important to all americans is to go t

. >> i wanted to know your thoughts on obamacare, and astroturfing these town hall meetings. >> it does oh gosh, we have a lot of evidence on that. there is one guy, sean traglia, who was written up in "the wall street journal" who slipped after the campaign finance law was signed by bush and after it was upheld by the supreme court -- treglia, he worked for pew, and he said this is a left-wing foundations. but with john, we take him out. he is on tape saying it. people are calling for campaign finance reform. and yet, politicians were fooled into believing it. i was just talking earlier at the bush league schools, and by the way, the worst ones that i do not think i was -- some schools are especially bad at turning out little monsters. in this particular case, they weren't even students, because they were standing in the back screaming their heads off with the most vulgar things i have ever heard. i can't even repeat them to my friends. there were a lot of cops there. there were struggles, and you get the cops out of the room. the cop arrested some of them and later told my bodyguard,

. >> but isn't the problem that when we talk about obamacare, we don't know what that means.ht. >> and so, we don't really know what it is -- >> there's the problem right there >> and that's the problem. >> the problem right there is you actually just nailed down the problem. >> thank you. >> people are screaming and hollering about what they do not know. >> because it has not been presented to them. >> but what they're doing is they're complaining about what they do not want as opposed to what they do want. >> but they have that right as an american citizen. >> of course they do. >> we did a poll at nbc and they said people have so much misinformation about the health care plan. when they understood there weren't death panels and weren't this and weren't that, opinions changed. i think there is misinformation that's out there. >> now i'm against it. see, i was for health care when i heard there were death panels. i was like, this is what i want! now, you know, now they're saying -- >> i think there is misinformation, but there's also some miss leading information, like we sa

if it becomes and obamacare rationing, i am curious -- there has been a lot of speculation. >> whwe canargue about the specifics or the details, but if you analyze the government run plans, and let me say why i'm speak about government-run plans. there was a suggestion that the public option is off the table. the president's spokesman just this afternoon said that it is not off the table. that has been misunderstood. [applause] here is the reason why i have a concern about the public auctiooption. if you look at the student loan program, we had a private option and a public auctioption. they said that the federal government should take over. they said the federal government could do it more cheaply. i am just telling you what we just passed. we have one of the best companies in the entire country that has done an outstanding job of processing these loans and keeping young people current with those loans and added up the federal government can do the same. secondly, if you look at the medicare advantage program, that is a program that was put in in the last administration and it was to o

. >> i wanted to know your thoughts on obamacare, and astroturfing these town hall meetings. >> it does fulfill my aphorism that you know what liberals are up to buy what they accuse you of. oh gosh, we have a lot of evidence on that. there is one guy, sean traglia, who was written up in "the wall street journal" who slipped after the campaign finance law was signed by bush and after it was upheld by the supreme court -- treglia, he worked for pew, and he said this is a left-wing foundations. but with john, we take him out. he is on tape saying it. people are calling for campaign finance reform. and yet, politicians were fooled into believing it. i was just talking earlier at the bush league schools, and by the way, the worst ones that i do not think i was -- some schools are especially bad at turning out little monsters. in this particular case, they weren't even students, because they were standing in the back screaming their heads off with the most vulgar things i have ever heard. i can't even repeat them to my friends. there were a lot of cops there. there were struggles, and you ge

>> i oppose obamacare and socialism. i'm a capitalist and a proud american. >> i am here and nobody sent to me. i came here on my own. i don't belong to any group that is trying to upset this whole thing. we need term limits on our congressmen, senators, all of them. they are more interested in power. whether it is republicans or democrats. we need to change that. people need to wake up. >> i want my doctors and i don't want socialized medicine and this country. i have friends -- relatives in france and canada and they are extremely disappointed. don't shutdown my throat. and she seems to -- >> she seems to say we will not have a public. health plan, the president says we will have single pair and on the other hand he says we will not have a single payer. they are contradicting themselves and i would like to find her opinion. >> i believe that this health care idea that obama is pitching is going to be bad for a lot of people. it could possibly kill some. >> basically to disagree. >> why is that? >> it is my children's f