raised in pakistan and educated in the west, zaidi is a long-time advocate of reforming pakistan's schools>> you look at the consequences of these kids not going to school-- like i said, let's set aside the fear-mongering and the scare mongering of, you know, what if all these kids become terrorists. but setting that aside, the real problem is that if you aren't capable of participating in the global economy, you will be very, very poor. and, desperate and extreme poverty has some diabolical consequences for societies and for individuals. >> montero: zaidi reminded me about the long time problem of "ghost schools", where teachers fail to show up except to collect their paychecks. at this one, after the only teacher stopped coming, it was left to vandalism. in fact, there are thousands of abandoned school buildings across the country, while schools like fatma's have nothing. the local school council is outraged. >> montero: in pakistan, public education has become a battleground. the council says the elite only care about themselves and keep the poor illiterate in order to hold on to power.

having -- having embraced pakistan 1981 after the soviet invasion, pakistan then made a commitment to the united states that general kelud and said pakistan has neither the means or intention of developing a nuclear explosive device. congress put this into law and i have a lot to do that actually. and that was simply putting on his promise, his commitment which now been made him off her into law. they knew that if they crossed the line on the nuclear program that their weapons and their aid would be cut off and they did and it was cut off. we'll out are in deep apology and noted for their breaking their commitment. and that reflects i think the larger problem of the relationship. which is that we have always viewed as we as pakistan is doing something for us and we have to -- they're for -- therefore we are not sufficiently grateful and have more losses the pakistan narrative. but the soviet invasion of afghanistan was a lot bigger threat to pakistan to united states. and we might have approached it by saying to pakistan, to the general, if you want our help here's our conditions and

that signal has caused some concern in kabul, pakistan, neighboring pakistan. a lot is riding on the ability to use combination forces, civilian projects, civilian support. they don't like to say it, but it's nation-building in afghanistan. and whether we can see the end of the taliban and reasonable afghan government. >> you mentioned pakistan. i want to bring that in. we've seen dramatic developments as far as arrested officials in pakistan. it becomes quite clear they have been operating rather freely in pakistan. but there's a change of heart of the pakistani government. why? >> no one knows what the long-term views of the pakistani intelligence service, the so-called isi are going to be. but recently, it does look like they've begun to cooperate with our intelligence service and not just capture or kill the taliban that have been attacking not just the pakistani government but those taliban that live in pakistan, that are the enemies of hamid karzai in kabul and the united states. and if this cooperation, meaning an across-the-board effort by pakistan and

we have two insurgencies in pakistan one is not directed against pakistan.rgencies -- the other -- these direct terrorism against pakistan. these are the places where al qaeda held up in bora bora after 2002. after 2005, when pakistan surrendered, they attacked pakistan in a very determined and focused manner. that is why you see the we have more casualties because of the insurgencies in pakistan. host: what did you see as pakistan's role m. winning the war in afghanistan? guest: pakistan is central to bring in the region when the war. you cannot win it unless you win it in pakistan. we have to have a lot of ambiguity about this prevent part of it is pakistan's own fault. we could not understand that the insurgency that was implemented would eventually turn toward pakistan itself. we did not come to grips with this. part of it was because they do not understand the difference between counter insurgency and counter-terrorism. in pakistan, we have an ambiguity. we have gone after the two insurgencies. at the same time, there are uncertainties on their border.

pakistan initiative is crucial. >> host: let's talk specifically than about pakistan. it sounds a little schizophrenic that if the had other isin is supporting the taliban efforts but they're also aren't allies, is that -- did i say that correctly? >> guest: you did. the pakistan government intended to act in its own interests as any state would appear in a targeted military groups that threaten the state so they've targeted al qaeda, the fighters on the territory and held capture khalid sheikh mohammed in a range of others. they also increasingly targeted what some people call the pakistan taliban base that of the south waziristan in a range of other military. they've conducted operations in areas where militant groups targeted conducted the suicide attacks in pakistan but at the same time they've assisted historical militant groups that operated in afghanistan and kashmir in india. >> host: when you say they mean state support? >> guest: even elements of the pakistan state have provided assistance to militant groups. >> host: out of federal budgets? >> guest: wheneve

we have two insurgencies in pakistan one is not directed against pakistan.e other is feeding terrorism within pakistan. one of the insurgencies -- the other -- these direct terrorism against pakistan. these are the places where al qaeda held up in bora bora after 2002. after 2005, when pakistan surrendered, they attacked pakistan in a very determined and focused manner. that is why you see the we have more casualties because of the insurgencies in pakistan. host: what did you see as pakistan's role m. winning the war in afghanistan? guest: pakistan is central to bring in the region when the war. you cannot win it unless you win it in pakistan. we have to have a lot of ambiguity about this prevent part of it is pakistan's own fault. we could not understand that the insurgency that was implemented would eventually turn toward pakistan itself. we did not come to grips with this. part of it was because they do not understand the difference between counter insurgency and counter-terrorism. in pakistan, we have an ambiguity. we have gone after the two insurgencies

-pakistan relationship. it has a long way to go from -- to become its own productive relationship, that it needs to be. >> what about the u.k.-pakistan relationship, and, particularly, with regard to cross-border security corporation, with our forces and u.s. forces. >> our forces are a long way away from the pakistan border. if you look at -- think about the helmand, it is a very, very long distance from the further south we are in afghanistan, and it is... 150, 200 kilometers, 150 kilometres down to the pakistani border and in terms of border cooperation it is about afghan-pakistani cooperation and to go to the kind of... in the control room, i have not seen them next to each other, that is is a remarkable change, and, wouldn't happen before, and i think, the -- there is a very important crossing point next to canned har, and that is very important and there aren't british troops involved there but that is a very important part of the cooperation. >> and, what about the issue that leaders of the insurgency

the threat of militants based in pakistan. >> by acknowledging the steps taken so far by pakistan to bring the mumbai perpetrators to book, i pointed out that these did not go far enough to on a gravel -- to unravel the real responsibility behind the mumbai attacks and to reward exemplary punishment to the culprits. i stressed the importance of the expedition of this according to these issues by following up on leads, following the arrests and the united states of david goldman. >> the head of the indian delegation said she handed over in new information for pakistan to investigate. pakistan's foreign secretary responded by saying india was wrong to allow the terrorists to determine the agenda of their talks and said the two countries should work closely together to solve what he described as "a common problem progress -- "a common problem." >> it is unfair and unrealistic and unproductive to make this issue out of one incident, to keep the focus on that and to stall the progress of the relationship between the two countries. >> the most important thing about these talks is simply th

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it is true that the pakistan taliban are under huge pressure in pakistan. it is also true, and you are right, that we made significant inroads with the work we're doing to expose in been to cause damage to the afghan taliban in afghanistan, but we are not leaving the afghan taliban in pakistan free to do anything that they want. we have our sights on what we can do to weaken their status and their power in pakistan. >> thank you very much for that. will you forgive me if i ask you one question as a bit of light relief? when you opened your daily paper this morning -- >> what is the grim situation? >> it is pretty grim in afghanistan. very serious and very grim. >> your questions are. >> when you opened your daily papers today, did you muse along with joseph stalin when they asked him the question, "how many divisions does the pope have?" and therefore his views could be safely ignored as on your equality bill and anything else? >> i did not see that in the papers today. >> you did not see it? >> i heard about it. >> prime minister, talking up the -- taking

specifically then about pakistan. it sounds a little schizophrenic that if the head of their isi is supporting or their isi is supporting the taliban efforts but they're also our ally, is that -- did i say that correctly? >> you did say that correctly. the pakistan government has tended to act in its own interests, as any state would. they have targeted militant groups that threaten state. so they have targeted al-qaeda and foreign fighters on their territory. they've helped capture khalid sheikh mohammed and a range of others. they've also now increasingly targeted what some people call the pakistani taliban. ... taliban, based out of the south waziristan because it's like to massoud had another range of militants. dave operated in areas where militants can be targeted for suicide attacks in pakistan. but at the same time they have assisted historically militant groups have operated in afghanistan and kashmir in india. >> host: and when you say they do you mean state support? >> guest: elements of the pakistani state

in protecting minority groups in pakistan from taliban. >> mr. speaker, the danger that is posed by the afghan taliban as the pakistani taliban with both work from pakistan is something that becomes more obvious every day and when he refers to the murders of people in pakistan by the pakistan taliban he is referring to violent incidents that are happening every day as a result of the efforts of the taliban. we are working with the pakistani authorities so we can make inroads into the taliban that has had some success with the leadership of the afghan taliban in only the last few weeks but at the same time we will work with the pakistan security authorities and we will continue to say to the pakistani people we will help children with education. we ask you to work with us so madrasahs cannot have an evil influence on the young people of pakistan. >> the prime minister will know that government expenditure on advertising and marketing and self-promotion went up by more than 40% last year. will he cut it out? >> we already announced government adver

-pakistan relations have been tense. unmanned american drone aircraft have also recently stepped up attacks on taliban leaders believed to be in pakistan including a 17-missile strike yesterday that was the largest yet. the pakistani taliban continues to deny that its leader, hakimullah mehsud, was killed in similar drone attack last month. >> ifill: and for more, we turn to saima mohsin, a senior anchor for dawn tv, a 24-hour english language news channel in pakistan. she joins us from islamabad. saima mohsin, thank you for joining us. what do we know about the bombing in northwest pakistan. >> reporter: these were people from the united states training the paramilitary soldiers in the tribal areas. it's been an ongoing process over the last two years here. they were on their way to a school that had recently been renovated using u.s. aid money, and they were invited as guests, as a vote of thanks, really. they were part of a convoy on their way when they hit what we understand was a roadsame bomb. alongside the three u

i would disagree relative to what this means vis-a-vis the pakistan cooperation. let's not forget that just two weeks ago secretary gates directly asked islamabad to increase military action against the afghan taliban in the tribal areas of pakistan ostensibly in north waziristan and the pakistani military as well as islamabad came back and said, no, we don't have any new military operations this year. i think this is very significant. >> woodruff: okay. i want to divide out that point because you raised it again about the significance of the fact that the pakistanis were part of this despite their historic support for the afghans. taliban. but what mullah barader himself. we just heard tom johnson say he was seen by some as a moderating force in the taliban. is it known whether that's the case or not? >> well, it's unclear what the reason and why he was captured. i mean tom is right that there have been fissures within the inner shurah. there has been a push for suicide attacks. baraider has asked that the taliban be careful in targeted assassinations and suicide

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we don't have soldiers in pakistan. well -- hello?arly is a war in pakistan whether anybody wants to admit it or not. the taliban bomber hit a five vehicle convoy and pakistani police say the bomber knew which vehicles carried the united states troops. as i mentioned the military does not officially station troops if pakistan. on the other hand it's been long believed inside that the united states is lying about it. politically, for political reasons in pakistan, it's hard to lie about it now. soldiers were part of a low profile group that trains pakistani forces. the deaths are believed to be the first in the united states to train security forces. i know this is a touchy subject but it's not lightning information -- like the information is new to you or me. there's been activity in pakistan for a long time. they don't want it known because of local politics. it's known now. i don't know how they can deny it now. >> they're saying these guys were part of a group of 60 to 100 special operations trainers training the frontier corps par

it is true that the pakistan taliban are under huge pressure in pakistan.you are right, that we made significant inroads with the work we're doing to expose in been to cause damage to the afghan taliban in afghanistan, but we are not leaving the afghan taliban in pakistan free to do anything that they want. we have our sights on what we can do to weaken their status and their power in pakistan. >> thank you very much for that. will you forgive me if i ask you one question as a bit of light relief? when you opened your daily paper this morning -- >> what is the grim situation? >> it is pretty grim in afghanistan. very serious and very grim. >> your questions are. >> when you opened your daily papers today, did you muse along with joseph stalin when they asked him the question, "how many divisions does the pope have?" and therefore his views could be safely ignored as on your equality bill and anything else? >> i did not see that in the papers today. >> you did not see it? >> i heard about it. >> prime minister, talking up the -- taking up the point about pak

the americans were in pakistan to train a paramilitary force. lara logan, our chief foreign affairs correspondent, is in washington tonight and, lara, this is not the first time american soldiers have been killed in pakistan. >> reporter: that's right, katie. in fact, since 9/11, 12 american servicemen have died in pakistan. but these are the first special operations soldiers who were part of the security cooperation agreement between the u.s. and pakistan who have actually been killed in what was really a devastating attack. the scenes, the images from the scene are quiteatc and they show the rubble and the devastation and also some of the wounded. there were three young pakistani girls killed and a pakistani soldier. the u.s. soldiers who were there were actually civil affairs soldiers whose mission is primarily humanitarian. that's what they do there. katie? >> couric: and what is the primary mission of all u.s. troops in pakistan, lara? >> well, in this particular case it's a training mission and u.s. officials are quick to point out that it

we believe it is in the pakistan/afghanistan border area. again, federal officials saying that this plot to blow up new york city's subways was going to be a suicide bombing plot with three new york men directly involved. those three new york men were in federal court yesterday and it was during that court hearing that the judge asked if there are going to be any more defendants in this case and prosecutors answered yes, there are al qaeda leaders from overseas who are correctly involved in orchestrating and running this alleged plot to bomb the new york city subways and that at least one if not several of those men will be sent back to new york, quote, promptly. we don't know the identity of the suspects from overseas or exactly when they'll be arrive here in new york for trial. but that's the word from federal prosecutors. you'll recall azazi is the man with two friends he went to high school with who traveled for bomb training and then accused of wanting to come back here and be suicide bombers to set off bombs on the trains. defense lawy

when he refers to the murders of people in pakistan by the pakistan taliban, he is referring to violent incidents that are happening every day as a result of the efforts of the taliban. we are working with the pakistani authorities so that we can make inroads into the taliban. there has been some success with the leadership of the afghan taliban in only the last few weeks. but at the same time, we will continue to work with the pakistan security authorities and we will continue to say to the pakistani people, we will help children with their education. we ask you to work with us so that madrassas can not have evil influence on the young people of pakistan. >> david amory. >> mr. speaker, the prime minister will know that government expenditure on advertising and marketing and self-promotion went up by more than 40% last year. and it isn't working will he cut it out? >> we've already announced we're going to half the government advertising budget and consultancy budget. he should know that. >> mr. david clelland. >> is the prime minister aware february was designated by the office scound

let me turn to the outlook in afghanistan and pakistan.since junior 2007, the taliban has increase its influence and expanded the insurgency while holding onto it -- done -- smack director, can you pull that microphone closer. you fade out when you turn your head. thank you. >> as a sense, for about two years the taliban has increased its influence and expanded the insurgency. the challenges that we face are clear. number one, reversing the taliban momentum while we reinforce security elsewhere. second, improving afghan security forces, government and economic capabilities of the security gains will endure and the responsibility can be transferred to the afghan youth in afghanistan themselves. early successes in places like hell meant for marines have been deployed for several month for economic programs are in place and where local government is competent show that we can make solid progress even when the threat is high. the safe haven in afghanistan insurgents have in pakistan is the groups most important outside support. disrupting a sa

they need to be nudged by pakistan. pakistan has got to come in playing a positive role on this.nd of course, they have to have confidence that they are being accepted as a legitimate part of afghan society and not being sort of simply labeled as terrorists. >> warner: ambassador khalilzad, what sense do you get of the role the united states is going to play on either of these levels? in other words, the re- integration of the fighters, that was very much a part of general mcchrystal's overall new strategy for afghanistan. is the u.s. military going to be running that, and running the money... the fund that the international community's put up for this? and what about on the national reconciliation level with the top leadership? again, is there a u.s. role? >> well, that is obviously very important... u.s. role, but for the u.s. role to be effectively played, i believe it is very important that if coordination and agreement to the maximum extent possible between the u.s. and the afghan government. and at the present time, there seems to be some difficulty in the focus between the

and for fiscal 2011, funding for pakistan is $3.2 billion.in the budget will assure smooth transition of police training and the operational support for our civilian presence. and -- as the t.o.d. begins to draw down, there's savings in the defense budget of roughly $15 billion and the state expenditures are ramping up and we're seeking an increase of $2 billion. the trend will be more dramatic as the military drawdown continues and military spending continues to decline in iraq. and for successful transition, investments in civilian capacity must be in place prior to the military withdrawal and the supplemental funding if iraq is necessary to assure the time sensitive investments proceed on schedule. and the 2011 funding for iraq is $.5 billion. and the programs in iraq will include police training rule of law programs and -- and a transition from the current military footprints to a more -- more normal diplomatic and development program. and there are presently 22 provincal reconstruction teams housed on military bases. that will be reduced

. -- afghanistan, pakistan, and iraq. are also submitting an fy 2010 supplemental that includes money for civilian efforts in afghanistan, pakistan, and iraq, and like to spend a few minutes' walking through the major elements of our budgets, and i would be happy to respond to any questions that you have. over my shoulder you see some graphics that you may have in front of you as well. i will follow the structure of that graphic in walking through the highlights of the budget. securing front-line states -- that is a blue on the chart behind me. this is supporting the civilian contribution to the u.s. effort in afghanistan, pakistan, and iraq. the 2011 budget includes $10.7 billion to support the regional stabilization strategy in those countries, and also supports the civilian efforts as we sheet -- ship from military programs. as i mentioned the supplemental for 2010 also includes this. also the transition cost, which are very much timely expenditures. our afghanistan strategy is a fully coordinated civilian- military pl

talk a little bit specifically about pakistan.it sounds a little schizophrenic that if the head of the isi is supporting or the isi is supporting the taliban after its, but they're also our ally. did i say that correctly? a >> guest: you did say that correctly. the pakistan government has continued to acted in its own interest, as anything way. they've targeted militant groups that threaten states. so they have targeted al qaeda on their territory, they've also now increasingly targeted what some people call the pakistani taliban, based out of the south waziristan because it's like to massoud had another range of militants. dave operated in areas where militants can be targeted for suicide attacks in pakistan. but at the same time they have assisted historically militant groups have operated in afghanistan and kashmir in india. >> host: and when you say they do you mean state support? >> guest: elements of the pakistani state that included support to them. >> host: out of their federal budgets in some way? >> guest: out of whateve

let me turn to the outlook in afghanistan and pakistan. since january of 2007, the taliban has increased the influence and expanded the insurgency while -- >> director, can you pull that microphone -- >> over here? >> you fade out when you turn your head. >> all right. >> all right. >> thank you. >> as i sense for about two years the taliban has increased influence and expanded the second, improving afghan security forces and economic capability for the security gains will indoor and the responsibility can be transferred to the afghanistan people. early successes and places like hellman where persons have been deployed for several months, and programs are emplace a more local governments are competent show that we can make solid progress. the safe haven that afghanistan and surgeons have and pakistan is the most important outside support. the shifting the saving one of a sufficient by itself, but disrupting it in afghanistan is a necessary condition for making substantial progress. the increase in terrorist attacks have made the pakistani

the pakistan piece of this is so crucial. >> host: let's talk specifically then about pakistan.it sounds a little schizophrenic that if the head of their isi is supporting or their isi is supporting the taliban efforts, but they are also our ally. did i say that directly? >> guest: you did say that correctly. the pakistan government has tended to act in its own interests, as in the state would. they have targeted militant groups that threats misstate so they have targeted the al qaeda and foreign fighters and helped capture khalid sheikh muhammad and others. they have increasingly targeted what some people call the pakistani taliban, the pakistan base seven selva waziristan, baitullah mehsud. that connected operations in posure, slot in buner, areas where targeted attacks in pakistan but at the same time they have assisted historically militant groups that have operated in afghanistan and kashmir and india. s have viewed afghanistan in the context of their troubled relationship with india and a few.as somewhat of an insurance the policy of rear area. and there's still a lot of s

. >> a deadly discovery in pakistan. word the bodies of two believed to be american spyrus found in a taliban stronghold. this raising brand-new issues about a potential intelligence war that's being waged by the united states and pakistani governments. and author and filmmaker who spent a lot of time in the region explains when he joins us live and that's next. now campbell's chunky has 23 soups made with 100% lean meat and a full serving of veggies. for $5.00 in money saving coupons go to chunky.com. awesome. campbell's chunky soup. when lunch rolls around.... eat right at work. 100% lean meat and a full serving of veggies. campbell's chunky sirloin burger soup. m'm! m'm! good! @work. the orlando sentinel newspaper for central florida reported fire rescue responded an hour and 20 minutes ago to a report of a person not breathing. then a local cable news outlet says the trainer was pulled into the shamu tank in the shamu stadium and killed. if we want to connect the dots here, we could. and say it sounds like shamu kill

pakistan. a very important country we are fighting a war in afghanistan, but many believe the key objectives is to keep pakistan stable. glacier melts is a major problem in the river that is the lifeblood of that country and pakistan. it will lose one-third of its water approximately in the coming years at the same time the population is increasing 30%. underlying many of the problems, not surprisingly is population growth that is putting stress on the sustainability of many resources with water being critical. pakistan is a nuclear arms day, the taliban is seeking at 10 i think it is a national security nightmare for that country. especially in april when the taliban broke out of the northwest territories and came within 25 miles of the dam lead is the tour by lead dm that controls irrigation and hydropower on a vast scale. of perhaps if you lead to all of the dams on the colorado river what it would mean to the southwest that is how important that tours blood diem is to pakistan but just in t

let me turn to the outlook in afghanistan and pakistan.nuary of 2007, the taliban has increased the influence and expanded the insurgency while -- >> director, can you pull that microphone -- >> over here? >> you fade out when you turn your head. >> all right. >> all right. >> thank you. >> as i sense for about two years the taliban has increased influence and expanded the insurgency while maintaining the hold on its tlehresholds. second, improving economic capability so that security gains will endure and responsibility will be transferred to the afghanistans themselves. early successes in places like helmand where marines are deployed for several months, where excessive counter drug and economic programs are in place and local gofrnsance is competent show that we can make solid progress even when the threat is high. the safe haven that afghanistan insurgents have in pakistan is the group's most important outside support. drupting that won't be sufficient by itself to defeat the insurgency but disrupting insurgent presence in afghanistan

talk a little bit specifically about pakistan.it sounds a little schizophrenic that if the head of the isi is supporting or the isi is supporting the taliban after its, but they're also our ally. did i say that correctly? a >> guest: you did say that correctly. the pakistan government has continued to acted in its own interest, as anything way. they've targeted militant groups that threaten states. so they have targeted al qaeda on their territory, they've also now increasingly targeted what some people call the pakistani taliban, based out of the south waziristan because it's like to massoud had another range of militants. dave operated in areas where militants can be targeted for suicide attacks in pakistan. but at the same time they have assisted historically militant groups have operated in afghanistan and kashmir in india. >> host: and when you say they do you mean state support? >> guest: elements of the pakistani state that included support to them. >> host: out of their federal budgets in some way? >> guest: out of whateve

it is being squeezed by pakistan in forces in pakistan. we have to see what the impact will be. is that this is creating a certain amount of discontent, worry, and turmoil within the organization. . . >> between the concerted efforts and pakistan, and the efforts we are undertaking in afghanistan, the squeeze is being put to the taliban. >> there has been a concerted effort to grab for capture or kill some of the local shadow governors are around afghanistan. can you talk to us a bit about what those captures mean, and exactly what the shadow governments around afghanistan have been doing? >> again, i fundamentally addressed this point. i think -- we believe, we hope that these combined efforts on both sides of the border are going to reverse the momentum taliban has enjoyed. i cannot speak to the particulars of these cases. i would urge you to talk about -- talk to the pakistani government about who they have and the significance of whom may have picked up. you've heard me say over the last several months, we are pleased and gratified and heartened by the fact that the pakistan

and pakistan deny. the five suspects, all from virginia, authorities say they plan to seek life sentences under the country's antiterrorism law. scott heidler is streaming live from islamabad, pakistan. scott? >> reporter: jon, we heard they were yelling we are tortured, we were tortured on the way to the courthouse but in addition to they dropped notes from the bus and as they were going into the courtroom to reporters there on the team, because they weren't allowed inside, again, claiming torture by fbi agents, as well as pakistani police. the u.s. embassy here denies those allegations that any fbi torture was going on, as well as pakistani authorities previously denied any mal treatment. fbi has had access to the men. the message, written on tissue paper, also claimed that they were set up and prevented from any outside contact, these five young americans. police have accused them of contacting militants in pakistan through the internet, looking to link up with islamic militants, fighting troops in a

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it is true that the pakistan taliban are under huge pressure in pakistan. it is also true, and you are right, that we've made significant moves with the work we're doing to expose them to and then to cause damage to the afghan taliban in afghanistan. but we are not leaveing the afghanistan taliban in pakistan as we agreed to do anything that we want. we had our sights on what we can do to weaken their status and their power in pakistan. >> thank you very much for that prime minister. let me ask one question. when you opened your daily papers this morning -- >> what's the good situation? >> well, it is pretty grim in afghanistan. [laughter] >> when you opened your daily paper did, did you muse with joseph stalin in asking the question that how many divisions does the pope have and therefore views and anything else? >> i didn't see that in the paper. >> you didn't. >> i heard about it. >> taking up the points about pakistan we are giving 1/3 of all of our spending on counterterrorism to assist the pakistan government. do we have an order of where and how the

in pakistan we've got kills, only this massoud.the. >> from before. >> the guy six months ago also killed by dron attacks and also used in yemen and killed 16 of the leaders of al-qaeda there. so it's been, it's amazing that we're debating this today. >> paul: and rather than just killing al-qaeda, now, with the massouds, they're killing pakistan taliban. which means that the pakistanis are happy with that because we're killing the people who have been targeting their cities and their government? >> yeah, that's right. i mean, one of the attacks, i think just on january 29th, they struck the network in north waziristan, the debate now is whether they should push the drone attack into the south. >> the south. >> where the tough taliban go down into afghanistan. >> mullah omar. >> mullah omar. the debate inside the administration is how far to push this not pull it back. >> paul: and the pakistanis denounce the attacks and public and privately in the go ahead. >> i was in a meeting and foreign minister said we understand we're doing

a bomb has killed at least 13 people in a police convoy in northwest pakistan. some of the reports speak of a roadside bomb, others of a suicide bomber that ran his car into a vehicle carrying police. tensions have escalated in sri lanka since the rest of the retired general, the opposition candidate in lt month's election. supporters, despite a security presence, were forced away. the general's wife has now visited him in detention. from colombo, we have this. >> i was the kind of fixed battle that the city does not normally see. these are supporters of the government, who had heard that opponents were planning to demonstrate. these are the opposition supporters, here to protect the general in cop -- fossett -- cars -- in incarceratio the government says that it is these people that started the stone-throwing. opposition supporters were indignant. once it gathered momentum, the police stepped in. eight people were injured. it was all a sign of the extreme, intimate, and mutual hostility that set in in post- war for a lot of. the opposition was deeply unhappy af

the world, everywhere from china to mexico, kenya to lebanon and pakistan. they've been marketed as detecting everything from explosives to elephants and drugs. and they're still being used despite the risks that they pose. >> that was all for this week. from all of us here, goodbye. >> find the story that interest you at bbc.com/news. >> funding for this spreppings made possible by the freeman foundation of new york, stowe, vermont, honolulu, newman's own foundation, the john d. and catherine t. macarthur foundation and union bank.

it is a significant investment in pakistan.me of the energy projects that we think are paying off in terms of what they are doing for the people of pakistan and because we are connected to them. it is challenging. we want to go through pakistani institutions and ngo's ever weekend. they have to be vetted. we have to feel that they're going to perform in keeping with our efforts. we can give you a thorough readout of where the money is in the pipeline. we have been spending a lot of time in making sure that we are spending it right, or as right as we can make it. >> i hope you will keep us up to date. it is critical in terms of the confidence of the american people with appropriations of the size for pakistan and afghanistan. thank you very much. >> senator feingold? >> thank you for holding the hearing. madam secretary, and like to note that your identification of the national security budget is on the mark. a stronger state department is vital to our security in expanding our work. by ensuring these programs are well funded, w

anyway, he was captured in pakistan in a joint operation by u.s.and pakistani security forces last week. "new york times" broke the story the other day. this was a major coup for the u.s. and pakistanis. he is the biggest catch we have had in quite a few years and he is now being interrogated by the pakistanis, with the assistance of the americans. presumably, we can expect the united states and the afghan government and pakistanis will learn a lot about the inner workings of the taliban. host: there is quotations in the paper saying that he is providing useful information. do we know what that is, will we ever? guest: not in detail. it is always hard to tell in these situations how much they are cooperating. there are lots of theories about how this came about, what the various agendas are, particularly of the pakistanis. there has been a tremendous back and forth about how much the pakistanis have been helping or not been helping in that effort in afghanistan. of course, the pakistani intelligence forces have longstanding ties to many members of

the blast went off in northwest pakistan. it also another soldier and dozen of schoolgirls were injured as well. around 70 people were wounded in all. the u.s. embassy says the soldiers were part of a small group of american military training members of pakistan's paramilitary frontier corps. >>> and we are also following a developing story from iran. state tv says the country has launched another rocket into space. iran says the rocket carried a mouse, turtles, and worms. officials did not elaborate on the rocket or what research purposes it might have. iran has put two rockets into space over the past two years and western countries are worried this technology could be used for launching warheads. >>> president obama is meeting with his national security team today at the white house. they'll be discussing the current terror threat facing the u.s. this comes a day after senior intelligence officials say they were concerned that al qaeda might be plotting attacks in this country in the coming months. bro brookhart has the la

so we can gauge our efforts in both afghanistan and pakistan.d i know this administration as well as our nato allies are committed to objective benchmarks for measurement, and we've done so with past strategies and all talked about this many time. most recently in december about both afghanistan and pakistan. during that hearing in december it was noted that measures are progress were being used and evaluated, and i thought at that time that those benchmarks would be forthcoming to our committee, but at least i have yet to see them, and it seems to me one of the most important times to inform the process is at the very onset of any change. and as this mission changes course, so obviously must the way in which we measure efforts, that will change as well. have comprehensive and final benchmarks or measures of progress been developed to reflect this new strategy? and if so, when will these be made to the committees? to the committee? secretary gates? >> i think they have, and i frankly thought that they had already been provide to the committee an

-- for the usama bin laden in the mountains of pakistan.at, i am, of it. -- i am proud of it. there was an expert on fox news -- he was a campaign manager for sarah palin in hawaii. geraldo asked him the question, what is the tea party, where is sarah palin? is she with the tea party, if she independent? host: i am going to leave it there. guest: the dialysis rumors. they are rumors, and it has never been confirmed. as i pointed out before, there is no confirmed intelligence about his whereabouts, much less his medical conditions. i have heard these things about dialysis. i have never seen its solid the confirmed as to whether or not that was a problem he was facing. host: cincinnati, ohio. scott on the independent line. caller: please do not cut me off. what is the end game for all of this? are we to militarize the entire world? you had an article about alex jones. i know she is a bit off the wall, but on will never understand how building seven came down. did you do any reporting on building seven? host: we are going to leave it there. gu

but before do that i just want to say a word about the events in pakistan this morning. as i'm sure you all know, three americans were killed, too warned, not life-threatening. they have been evacuated from a bad. they were to military and one, so three military. they were on their way to the inauguration of a school in the western area of pakistan your obviously a great tragedy, and we are deeply regretful of the loss of life, and we're in contact with the embassy and talk to ambassador patterson this morning on it. and it was a mine and an ied that did it. and i just want to let you know about that. >> you said there were two military? >> three military, to -- i misspoke. three military from two different parts of the military advisory groups that we have in islamabad. and i don't even know the exact designations of where they were. thank you. american military personnel in pakistan who were doing training with the frontier corps. so it's very sad of them. >> ambassador holbrooke, is there any indication they were directly targeted? >> ambassador does not think they we