rather than now tripping all over ourselves to apologize for pamela geller. it's astonishing. >> do you think the fbi should have given pam geller and/or her group or event notice if they had three-hour notice? >> absolutely. that's a no-brainer. it even goes deeper than that. let's not forget that elton simpson was prosecuted in a botched prosecution, a terribly botched prosecution accused of trying to head to somalia to join terrorists. the prosecutor botched the prosecution by failing to put forward proper evidence. the judge failed to find in favor of the prosecution believing when simpson talked about going to the battlefield in somalia, it wasn't sufficiently clear to her by what he meant by battlefield, or what he meant by fighting. well, now we know. >> james comby said that there are thousands of radicalized americans. how many elton simpsons are out there right now? >> you know that's the thing that we don't have any way of knowing that right now. that's why we're missing the forest for the trees. we're spending all this time talking about whether pa

pamela geller has been around for a while, but in terms of her career as an anti-islam activist probably for about a decade she's been pretty seriously devoted to this blogging particularly on her website about muslims and islam and demonizing muslims. but it's really in 2010 and the part 51 controversy in lower manhattan that she really shot to fame when she became one of the main leaders of the islamaphobia industry. it's because of these quote/unquote ground zero mosque protests we know about today. >> pamela geller was saying, i'm not anti-muslim, i'm anti-jihad. sounds like she has some specific beliefs, whether you agree with her or not. what does she believe when it comes to muslims and islam? >> pamela geller believes that islam is inherently violent, inherently prone to terrorism and should be condemned wholesale. this is not someone who minces words. this is not someone who has a nuanced perspective on islam or its 1.6 billion practitioners. that's one of the reasons why the southern poverty law center and the anti-defamation league have both condemned her organization the amer

>> pamela geller believes that islam is inherently violent,

free speech is under attack tonight in america at the center of the latest controversy is pamela geller who is being accused of provoking muslim jihadists to attack a cartoon contest she organized in texas, the more recent attempt to distort her intentions comes from the associated press. last night after geller did an interview with the news service it tweeted this out. "pamela geller says she has no regrets about prophet muhammad cartoon contests that ended in two deaths." well predictably outrage followed forcing the ap to clarify that tweet because what geller actually said was that she had no regrets the event ended with gunfire and not deaths. that didn't stop groups like c.a.r.e. from attacking her anyway. they lashed out with this tweet. don't let pamela geller or her cabal confuse you." here now to respond to the latest attacks is author and columnist pamela geller. you had that interview. boy, that tweet they sent out after was like judge, jury and executioner all in one. >> well i had not wanted to do that interview but that's a whole other story. why is the media carrying wa

pamela geller's not killing anybody. pamela geller is just voicing her opinion. and in this country we have a constitution that allows us to do that and supports that. and i'm all for that. it was surprising to me to hear o'reilly say for example that free speech is a bogus issue. i don't understand that. i don't understand where he's coming from. free speech is not a bogus issue. it is an issue. but the issue here is isis is actually killing people. pamela geller's just talking. >> go ahead, jon. >> biggest threat to this country isn't isis or pamela geller it's the reaction of politicians and many in the media with their shameful reaction really disgusting dangerous reaction by not standing up and giving a full throated defense of free speech. free speech is free thought. without it there is nothing. the compromise at all it's like did i offend muhammad? oh i'm so sorry, muhammad. come on this is what america's about. offending people. >> let me bring this back to juan for a second. here are a couple issues events that are considered free speech. when the westb

the violence brought a lot of attention to the woman, pamela geller, odious figure who's been an essential figure on the right. geller alleged president obama is a secret muslim who, quote, wants jihad to win, and her organization has pushed state bills to counter the baseless notion that america is being overtaken by sharia law, paid for ads on public transportation, racist for drawing a link between terrorism and all islamic believers. most infamously, geller was largely responsible for the furor over the so-called ground zero mosque, which she casts as a muslim victory shrine to the september 11th attacks. geller remains a respected figure on the right, appearances on fox news, giving lectures on islam. after sunday, instead of being hailed by conservatives as a martyr, she was cast as a villain. >> was it fair for the police to knowingly put them at risk for this unnecessary provocation? i say no. >> she's a provocateur. all she's doing is provoking and taunting people and this country has enough problems right now. >> this is what happens when you light the fuse and you get violence.

the lady behind this pamela geller. if you don't know who she is, she wrote the book on islamic hate. no really, she wrote a book on islamic hate. it's called "stop the islamization of america." yeah, stop it, islamizizers. all your islamizing this, and islamizing that. i was talking down the street the other day and people were just islamizizing some random ( bleep ) pup know what i said? i said "hey man, stop it! you can't be islamizing like that." and by the way, when i say islamizing, i'm not talking about the islamic exercise craze of the late 80s. you guys remember that? you had to like work out five times a day. that was horrible. horrible! ( cheers and applause ) man. all my squats i had to be facing east. ( laughter ) i was happy when that ended. so that's who she is, okay. let me tell you when it comes to spouting cray-cray, pamela geller takes the cay-cay. >> this is really, i think, the-- the battle between freedom and slavery. >> larry: mmmm, we already had that battle. ( laughter ) it was called the civil

>> reporter: pamela geller is well known to american muslims. she's a mascot of such a movement. movement muslims say, against their religion. critics call geller a muslim basher and white supremacists. >> we will not abridge our freedom so as not to offend savages. >> geller led the 2010 crusade against building an islamic center in downtown manhattan. >> we will prevail. >> the controversial ground zero mosque never opened. she and colleague robert spencer co-founded what are considered two thinly veiled anti-muslim group, the american freedom defense initiative and stop islamization of america. >> we list that group as a hate group. i would rank pam geller at the top of the list for anti-muslim figures in this country. certainly she and her very close ally robert spencer at the top of that list the ones who influenced anders and his anti-muslim rage when he did that norwegian rammage in 2011. >> he's a norwegian mass murderer who set off a car bomb in oslo and opened fire at a youth summer camp, killing 69 people. geller and spencer were cited multiple times in geller's manifes

pamela geller took to social media to describe what was going on. she is joining us live to get all of the details about what took place. what can you tell us? >> we had an event in defense of freedom of speech in age of jihad. at the end of the event as you know two gunmen drove up right up to the event and got out and shot a police officer they were sum air illy taken out and there's some suspicion there may be explosives inside as well as in their car there may be explosive materials. this terrible incident is ill straightive of how critical this conference on free speech is. the idea we are going to bridge our freedom, our most basic inalienable right in order to not offend savages is egregious, it is outrageous. >> there is service in this >> they were seen just in case >> first i want to say one thing. kudos to the garland police. they did an amazing job. they were -- there was prior planning for weeks. they were on this. they understood there's an enemy among us. they need to crush our freedoms, our me motions. basic freedoms. they handled th

who pamela geller is, that is really the debate. genie: let's look at the state of the nation as a whole. flo: it is always interesting to see how papers abroad depict the situation. this is the "washington post," and points out that politics in britain has not been as fractured as it is today. the two parties that have dominated in the 20th centrica completely collapse collapsed and no one knows what will replace it. it is really up to fringe parties now, these smaller parties to the green party and the smp. they are central actors that could play an instrumental role in the country's future in britain. according to a survey in the independent, a lot of british voters want the system to change. 60% want reform and want to do away with the current -- the current system. and there are fears of post-electoral chaos that have fueled a real surge for proportional representation. genie: many papers are focusing on the french president and his trip to the middle east. yesterday he was in qatar and today saudi arabia. he will be at the gul

pamela geller also said that this proves isis is at work in america. is that right?well you know we know that isis is at work all over the world in terms of trying to recruit, trying to inspire people to follow their teaching commit jihad on their own, run people over shoot them if you have a gun, stab them. you know we've seen attacks already. the new york police officers with the hatchet attack a couple of months ago. so but to say that this was, you know, an isis trained group that was deployed to go do this i mean this is one of the most feeble terror attacks we've seen in a long time. all they managed was to shoot a security guard in the ankle and end up dead themselves. in terms of this is not a world-class special forces operation on the part of these two guys. but, you know when the fbi gets into the apartment, and goes through the computers, their e-mails, their phone calls, all of the records of who they've been talking to, what they've been saying they'll get a pretty clear picture of the level of involvement or inspiration for their activities. >> all rig

and in the free world, we see this pamela geller insulting islam. they see a guy urinating on a koran somewhere, and they get the idea that here in america, we look down on their religion. we desecrate their religion. and people that only have their religion, they're poor people in parts of the world, that's what they believe, and that's their world, they see us, literally, at war with them, the way we are seen. what can we do in a free society to stop this escalating war of words and symbols? >> chris, you're absolutely right. the president is right in his approach, and that's what i was saying. obviously, the hate speech that came out of garland, texas, is almost like crying "fire" in a crowded theater. and however, it is protected by the first amendment. but that's not the government. it's not the government who is debasing the koran. and so i believe it is important for the government to be represented by the president's words, the members of dong, who should be tempered in their remarks. and that's why the president also does not use radical is

first pamela geller the president of an organization called the american freedom defense initiative and affiliate called stop the islam mization of america, they led a charged protest against the building of a mosque near the site of the world trade center. the keynote speaker at last night's event outside of dallas was controversial, dutch politician girtheerts wilders and called for a ban on the koran, on an al qaeda hit list by the way. talk more what's going on the attack and gunmen who have been i dent fighted and tweeted about the attack. joining us is paul crook shank, in washington tom fuentes former fbi assistant director. paul this is the latest shooting related to cartoons defecting the prophet mohammed. right? >> well wolf that's absolutely right. we obviously had those terrible scenes in paris, in january, when two gunmen who trained with al qaeda in yemen carried out that attack on the "charlie hebdo" satirical magazine and the next month in february we had another gunman this time in copenhagen launching an attack on an event at which the swedish cartoonist lars vilks was

she says pamela geller can draw whatever cartoon she wants and i defend her right to do so. i have always fought for her right to be a bigot and i have the right to counterher ig botry with -- counter her bigotry. >> we don't know how many others were involved attempted to open fire on a gathering of free speech. that's the problem. you are bringing it up with silly distractions. no one is saying there aren't peaceful muslims. there is a problem in islam that's illustrated last night and anyone that addresses it gets attacked. >> okay. so let's talk more about those comments with a columnist for "the daily beast." good morning. thank you for coming in. is ms. geller right? it proves there's a segment of the population in the united states who are radical islamists and are intent to harm. >> i think that having pamela geller talk to us about islam is leak mel gibson talking about judaism. in america, you can -- >> she would say so what? it's a free country i can say whatever i want. >> we all universally defend her right to draw the prophet muhammad. she can taunt us. that's

pamela geller is president of the group stop islamization of america. joining us now is mark from the southern poverty law center. i want to start with a question. this group has spoken out against what they call islamization of america. they spoke in favor of free speech. they have spoke about the threat of islamic terror. does the fact they were attacked when they were trying to hold this meeting make their case? >> well, i'm not sure it makes their case but it will certainly give a little boost to pam geller and her friends. let me start out by saying that absolutely nothing justified this attack at all. that said, pam geller to describe her as anti-islam and her groups as being anti-islam barely covers it. this is a woman who once put a video on her website suggesting that muslims commit beastaltbea. she describes islam as the most radical ideology in the world and not talking just about radical islamist but islam in general. they traffics in conspiracy theories and says barack obama is the love child of malcolm x. that barack obama's mother posed f

we will not live in fear in texas. >> she just mentioned pamela geller. she will be us about an hour from right now right here on "fox and friends." >> think about this the shooting that took place, they didn't want to see it take place. there was threats from the twitterfeed if these are anti- -- if these are muslim extremists. we don't know. we know isis you don't have to go to syria and be a member of isis. you can be radicalized on the internet. the clues of those two guys who are now dead as we look back in their timeline and background to find out who or what they may be connected to. >> officials are searching for an identity if anything was on them in the car there it brings you back to -- people are drawing comparison to the paris terror attacks in january and the copenhagen cafe. is there a link there. that is a conversation that is now going on. where does freedom of speech meet with disaster when it comes to those who are not tolerant when it goes both way. >> as we look at those images out of paris in january. keep in mind why was "charlie he

people need to understand that pamela geller is not some innocuous person.he is saying about muslims are cruel and unfair and really ugly propaganda. >> you're saying that name she gives her group, the american freedom defense initiative, isn't accurate. a lot of people would say, you should have every right in this country to draw a cartoon of the prophet mohammed and have a contest and award money just to prove a point we are free to speak here. it sounds like it's not hate speech. >> look, it can be hate speech and be perfectly legal under the first amendment. i believe absolutely she had every right to have these cartoons draw, publicize the event. that's the american way. we believe in free speech. but there's the right of others like myself and the southern poverty law center to use our free speech rights to depict what she's doing as accurate which is anti-muslim and muslim bashing in general. >> appreciate your time. thank you for speaking with us today. i appreciate it. >> thanks. >>> coming up, so the keynote speaker at the draw mohammed contest wa

and threatened to slaughter pamela geller. she's getting it from all angles. pport this det threat against pam geller because she ran a free speech contest drawing cartoons of your prophet? >> we're not talking about mickey mouse or donald duck. they had a celebration to -- >> to make cartoons. >> you support -- >> if you saw the cartoon -- bear with me. if you saw the cartoons that "charlie hebdo" drew you would understand the anger. >> you want her to die? >> she should be put before sharia court. >> she wants herr. she at one point was able to get a word in and she said this to the imam. >> does anyone think these jihadis would have just been peaceful loving americans? >> okay can i -- >> of course they wouldn't i submit to you that -- >> pamela. >> nope i'm talking sir. i know you're used to stepping over women. not going to have it here, okay? my conference saved lives because i understand the threat and we had protection and the garland police were superb. >> she's protected by the constitution. it is protected speech. it is very clear. >> i hope the fbi

jon: so why the focus on pamela geller?ght exactly. >> well if it were up to me i might not even have done this segment. >> owe i think we desperately need this segment. jon: we appreciate you for coming on. >> thank you. i think you take it i hope in the right spirit, that is, that she perhaps doesn't need more attention than she has. i mean i understand that the issue we're discussing are important. >> her life is now threatened. isis has doubled down. they say they are going to get her. they have people in 71, 71 people in 15 states who are going to get her. some wannabe jihadi will tryeto prove them right. this is very dangerous. she has to be defended, even if you consider her group a hate group. jon: we'll have to leave it there. judy miller, lynn sweet, woe appreciate the thoughts. thank you. >> thank you. jenna: emotional testimony in utah where an 18-year-old is testifying in her murder trial. her boyfriend fired the fatal shots but she drove the getaway car and now she is facing a slew of charges including aggrava

. >> reporter: pamela geller offered $10,000 for the best cartoon drawing for the prophet muhammad. deeply offensive to many muslims but all about freedom according to geller. >> we are here for freedom. everything else is smear. we are here for free speech. everything else is smear. >> reporter: her featured speaker that evening was a leader of a widely dust despised far right political party in the netherlands, wilders. >> let us no more islam, no more mosques no, more islamic schools. it is time for heritage. >> reporter: local police and the fbi beefed up security and it saved the day. authorities say the two gunmen elton simpson and his roommate nadir soofi pulled up to the hall and were blocked by a single police cruiser. >> both of them had assault rifles. came around the back of the car and started shooting at the police car. the police officer in that car began returning fire and struck both men taking them down. >> reporter: inside the crowd hears the sound of gun fire interrupting a live stream broadcast. >> shots just got fired. >> we don't know that for a fact. >> okay.

pamela geller might be known by some. others not. her group was against opening any sort of center close to the world trade center post- 9/11, any islamic center that would be close and they posted several ads across the country based on that. now, we're also watching this robot here, two robots it looks like on our screen that could be moving towards that vehicle we have been talking about for the last 45 to 60 minutes, has a small light it appears and as the bomb unit you were describing here, jim, they're very well equipped and very trained and see where it goes. and how it works. what do you know about the actual implements that these bomb units have and use? jim, first to you and then clint after that. >> right. well, what they do, this is pretty normal bomb squad procedure. send the robot out. an item on the ground or something behind the bush. i can't see. they examine it closely and the technicians stand back and see it on their video screen, on the laptop. the camera goes up, looks at it and they can use various tools on tha

it's because of these quote/unquote ground zero mosque protests we know about today. >> pamela geller was saying, i'm not anti-muslim, i'm anti-jihad. sounds like she has some specific beliefs, whether you agree with her or not. what does she believe when it comes to muslims and islam? >> pamela geller believes that islam is inherently violent, inherently prone to terrorism and should be condemned wholesale. this is not someone who minces words. this is not someone who has a nuanced perspective on islam or its 1.6 billion practitioners. that's one of the reasons why the southern poverty law center and the anti-defamation league have both condemned her organization the american freedom defense initiative as a hate group. >> bigger picture, todd you wrote this whole book on islamaphobia here in america. what did you find? what did you think would most surprise us? >> well that this is a very long history in terms of the anxieties and the fears and really the hostilities towards islam and muslims in the west. this goes all the way back to the middle ages. it's alive and well today in the

they were attacking our embassies. 9/11 there was no pamela geller. the subway plots -- >> isn't it up to the military and law enforcement to take that toe to toe with them? >> let me ask you this, were the people in those buildings wearing a uniform? >> there's no question that they weren't. >> the war is here and is on my freedom. >> but what about the people who say that because of what you've done, just forget about you, you have taken this stand, that you're putting police in jeopardy, you're putting people in jeopardy? >> i'm not putting people in jeopardy. the jihadists are putting people in jeopardy. they're here now. this is a nightmare. have you ever seen the media go after the fort hood jihadi, the times square bomber, the subway bomber -- >> if you heard my open, you know where i stand. but what i'm trying to do is to explain to viewers your position is based on your feeling that you need to bring this issue to the public? >> it's not a feeling. it must be done. we're abridging our freedoms so not to offend -- the hate directed at me was n

that's what pamela geller did. it was a great week. "saturday night live" had a great sketch and pamela geller was exposed for what we know as a well paid well compensated anti-muslim bigot. overall, a great week. >> thanks so much. i appreciate your being here. >>> a bit of news into cnn. the defense has rested in the boston marathon bombing trial and they finished up their case with a blockbuster. sister helen is the nun and anti-death penalty activist made famous by her book "dead man walking." jurors are determining whether or not to sentence dzhokhar tsarnaev to death after his conviction on 30 counts. let's talk about the sister taking the stand and talking to the court and of course the jury. deborah feyerick is following that for us. tell us what that was like deb. >> reporter: well it was very interesting. her testimony was nothing short of explosive, carol. she met with dzhokhar tsarnaev five times most recently in the last couple of days. there was a question as to whether in fact she would testify but she took the stand and

deborah feyerick reports on what we know about geller. >> reporter: pamela geller is well known to americanhe is a mascot of such a movement. >> reporter: the movement muslims say, against their religion. critics call geller a muslim basher and friend to white supremists who doesn't mince her beliefs on radical islam. >> we will not abridge our freedom so as not to offend savages. >> reporter: geller led the 2010 crusade against building an islamic center in downtown manhattan. >> we will prevail. >> reporter: the controversial ground zero mosque never opened. she and colleague robert spencer co-founded what are considered two thinly veiled anti-muslim groups. the american freedom defense initiative and stop islamization of america. >> we list that group as a hate group. i would rank pam geller at the top of the list for anti-muslim figures in this country. certainly she and robert spencer are at the top of the list. the one who funded the rage back in 2011. >> he was the nor weej as mass murderer who set off a car bomb and then opened fire at a summer youth camp killing 69 people. geller a

the woman who was organizing this event is a woman by the name of pamela geller. she has been highly vocal in what she describes as stopping the movement of islam within the united states. sees it as a real threat. and the speakers that were there tonight, at this event, you know, carried on many of those themes. the people who were here, i think there was probably a little more than 100 people who had attended the event here this sunday night. described this as a free speech event. they say any attempts to block them from being able to make these drawings of the prophet muhammad is an infringement of their free speech so obviously this is something you'll hear a lot about in the coming days as, you know, some view this as anti-islam, and others advocating here that what was going on was simply a matter of free speech. >> ed, the keynote speaker is a right wing dutch politician, a man known as geert wilders. in fact, he had just finished delivering his speech moments before the shooting occurred, we believe. you're seeing this wanted poster on wrr screen right now

their president pamela geller look to social media early on. i am going to share with you some of her tweets as our news team at fox news channel was picking them up. this is her response as to what was going on. two suspects dead awaiting bomb squad for possible explosives at our free speech event. am this was some time ago more than an hour ago. tweeted cops shot pos ill explosives at our event. early on they were talking about possible explosives because of the vehicle. from our confirmed reporting at fox news channel they were quote unquote, worried about insunday air redevices. shots fired at the free speech event. they wanted people to watch her live stream at the mohammed art exhibit and cartoon contest for those who could not attend she had a live stream going on. everybody from inside the vehicle building we are being told has been moved. they have been put on a school bus. took them to a nearby high school. from what i understand, ted, and you are a lawyer a former homicide detective they are talking with everybody. >> yeah. that is s

pamela geller told cnn's jake tapper that monday's attack proved how necessary the event was. >> we held an event in defense of free speech. the objective was to show depictions of muhammad over the past 400 years where they didn't slaughter people for drawing them in pieces of art work. we know this is being used by islamic supremacist of the free speech in the west. it's working. it's working because the media won't run cartoons. if the media had run cartoons in 2005 if all the media had, there would never have been this power given to it. now anyone that runs cartoons targeted. if all the media run it you could not kill everybody. >> the keynote speecher geert wilders is an ally of geller's. wilders was place on an al qaeda hit list. >>> hillary clinton is ready and willing to testify about the benghazi attacks and use of personal e-mail while secretary of state. she is willing to testify just one time. her attorney is taking issue with the request that the former secretary appear before the house committee twice. once to focus on benghazi and again for the e-mails. the attorney says

. >> they're calling for the head of free speech organizer pamela geller. a chilling post written by a jihadist warned geller cannot hide and she will be killed for daring to hold a cartoon contest. they also claimed that isis has fought over 70 fighters in 15 states in america that are all waiting to react. pam geller also with us radical london and add amend chatterley is with us. i want to warn everyone about anjum. he's been on the program before. >> we believe the whole world should be governed by divine law. >> and you agree that women can drive, correct. >> it's a saudi law. it's up to them to decide how the rules should be applied. >> and women who are on the posture side should be killed? >> of course. >> and gays and lesbians, the penalty for that is death, correct? >> if they do that publicly in front of witnesses, it does carry capital punishment, yes, sir. >> let me go to you, pam. this is a serious threat. basically a fatwa, a death threat, has now been issued. your reaction to that? have you had any contact with the fbi? >> they have not conta

long as you're not a muslim or "snl." >> pamela geller went way farther.he walks the walk. but this was already done by my people, the canadiens in a show called 22 minute, verbatim. kennedy: they did the same sketch and you're saying "snl" ripped it off. america only takes the best from canada and leaves the carcass behind. >> me sitting here right now. kennedy: we've nibbled at your bones. i see you nodding. >> if a tree falls in the x canadian forest, will they hear a sound? it will make sense to americans. put jesus in those pictures, up on the screen, no one is going bat an eye or get upset. if they're not killing people for cartoons, they're killing people for other reasons. no one in 9/11 in the twin towers was a cartoonist. they will always find an excuse to rationalize murdering people, stupid and playing to their hands, i thing. >> i agree with you, if it wasn't this, it would be something else. >> being gay, being raped. kennedy: crucifying children, what do you think. >> if anyone can do this it's "snl." what's the over-under on an "snl" cast m

pamela geller is one of the coordinators for this event tonight. on her twitter page it would seem.ok and twitter. two men with rifles and backpacks attacked police outside of our event. a cop was shot his injuries are nonlife threatening. we are going to stay on the story. we are going to take a break. christopher voss please stay with us. quality eyewear for doers. sears optical if you're looking for a car that drives you... ...and takes the wheel right from your very hands... ...this isn't that car. the first and only car with direct adaptive steering. ♪ the 328 horsepower q50, from infiniti. >> i am harris falkner. we have been permeating your program here on fox news channel with a scene that's playing out as breaking news in garland, texas. this is a large city in dallas metro that has been put on alert tonight pretty much the entire city i would image at this point as authorities begin to feather out from this point. what we are looking at a is dark scene. there is a robot in the center we understand a bomb squad has gotten into this location outside of the car in the center

anyway what i think of this is yes, pamela geller is making a point. what she's been pointing out is accurate and has been laying out in front of our eyes on tv. the fact that they have a radical cartoon, doesn't give the radical islamists to come in and kill. the other one i love drop them like they are hot. there you go. >> are events like these helpful by drawing out the extremists? when the police would send letters to out standing warrants saying you want to vote? and then they all show up at a hotel and then get arrested? is that how this works? you have these things once in a while and then the crazies come out? >> exactly. >> although who would volunteer to do this cartoon event. >> that's the thing. >> full on snipers. >> to catch a predator that guy. the guy always in the kitchen. >> didn't he have a problem himself? >> no. you pointed out in your monologue, it draws attention to -- when people who say, people who do this they are provocative, you sit back and go these people just gunned them down and murdered people and then you think about

not pamela geller. >> but you want to be curcumspect, that was a good point. because you can say it doesn't mean you should say it. if there's a point to taking on and we have done that here. we have said muslim leaders across the world have not nearly been brave enough to take on killers. >> that's obvious. yeah. >> we have looked them in the eye and said that. but to demean for the sake of demeaning, their religion is foolish. last word? >> and i think, bill there are a lot of reasonable muslims around the world who do not much like what is happening around the world and they are not cheering on the beheading of christians maybe they are not doing enough and believe me i'm out there on that issue. we need them to help us where they can. this makes it more difficult for them to do what is necessary to help our law enforcement, our efforts around the world and at home frankly. so look i support their right to do it. i would not do it. i don't think christians should be cheering this on. i don't think anything good comes of it. >> all right, the baltimore rioti

the founder, pamela geller tells cnn the group its not anti-muslim.e a listen. >> there is a problem in islam. the problem is we can't talk about the problem. we have seen the wholesale slaughter of christians in iraq and in syria, and in nigeria, in the congo, central african republic, the jihad is raging. and all we can talk about is backlashaphobia. it is nonsense. we have to discuss. when you say i am anti-muslim. excuse me, i am anti-jihad. any one that says i'm anti-muslim is implying all muslims support jihad. >> pamela geller talking there. as most of you would know, depictions of the prophet muhammad are considered blaspheme. earlier spoke to our guest, he talked about the violent reaction of groups to drawings of their prophet. >> we have groups like isis, al qaeda, terrorist groups that are luring people who are very impressionable obviously who don't know the religion. stand they're being told to go out and attack those with violence who, insult the prophet. number one, the koran tells us that the prophet was insulted by his opponent's thr

i'm saddened that the likes of pamela geller are causing hysteria in our society and dividing americansng ethnic and religious lines. >> you support what washington metro is doing now not allowing any ads? >> because of her behavior she's depriving other people to put up their ads. i'm against preventing her from expressing herself but she's becoming irresponsible. she's trying to turn people. i think she's been condemned by even her colleagues in the right-wing camp. >> what do you make of this continuing debate over cartoons of the prophet muhammad? in the abstract, separate it from people outside this mosque in phoenix today, separate it from pamela geller but back to "charlie hebdo" and idea that people think that you shouldn't feel threatened to draw a cartoon, what do you say to that? >> well, i don't feel threatened. i feel offended but i should also be tolerant of people's rights to express themselves. let me just remind you and remind everyone who knows something about islam or who are muslims that we expect offense from other people. we expect mockery from those who don't know

tweeted this about pamela geller. she said she had no regrets over the texas costume contest that left two dead. and now they had to walk that one back but pamela geller will weigh in on that on "hannity" and whether the fbi, who had three hours attack of the terror attack coming from arizona, whether they told her or not. check that out tonight on "hannity." all right, julie? >> she's eating cake. >> i ate the whole cake. >> okay. so this is the 70th anniversary of v day and i wanted to thank the greatest generation for liberating europe and there were a bunch of commemorations. you can see that. that's from may 8th 1945 an amazing flyover in washington, d.c. formation planes and amazing u.s. secretary of state john kerry joined french president hollande in paris, an incredible commemoration. i just want to say, there are 50 million veterans served in world war ii and only about 800,000 left today. thank you for the greatest generation and we'll never see another one like it. >> you redeemed yourself. >> thank you. >

so, you know, this thing -- this is completely different than, in my mind, what pamela geller did whichinside of a building, and it was a contest and this is like we're going to go to your place of worship, and we're going to try to bait you. and again, it's free speech, but whatever the outcome is this guy -- he won't be clean or innocent if it's ugly and someone gets hurt. >> there was a great headline somebody said i celebrate your right to be an idiot. [laughter] i think that's what this comes down to, i celebrate these folks' right to be an idiot even though i don't support what they have to say but they have a right to do it because according to isis, a shocking number of people have lost their right to be christians with their heads still attached. we let people say what they want, each though you may not agree with it and i would be mortified if my children said it and i wouldn't do it myself but that's the distance. that's what this country is about, i celebrate your right to be an idiot. there you go. >> i do hope we have someone who's infiltrated this mosque and hope we stay

the group's president, pamela geller, said she planned the event to make a stand for free speech. >>s incident proves how violent the war is on freedom and it's here. it's not just paris and copenhagen. the war is here. but a spokesman for the council for american islamic relations said the meeting was a clear attempt to abate the muslim community. the security guard shot was treated and released from the hospital. >>> a white house official confirms president obama was brief last night on that shooting. things could be returning to normal in baltimore. the city announce national guard troops will leave the city this week. maryland's governor plans to lift the state of emergency after they leave. the baltimore police have arrested nearly 500 people at protest and rallies related to freddie gray's death. he died last month after suffering a spinal injury while in police custody. all six officers involved in that incident have been charged. >>> and it's official. former hulett packer ceo announced she is running for president. she is now the only woman running in the pack of gop candid

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. >> pamela geller says this was all about political critique. what do you say? i mean pamela geller has the freedom of speech to be as bigoted as she wants to be, and she's very good at being a bigot. to that degree she's correct. she has the right to say what she wants, and there's no justification for any violent attack against her, despite her offensive language. >> and why do you -- offensive language, you know and we've talked about this earlier on the broadcast, "charlie hebdo" put some caricatures of mohammed among other things and they were attacked. is that also offensive language is that also bigoted? >> sure. listen the people around the world who have various ideologies, various beliefs, you know in a democracy we believe that those beliefs should be heard, but we also belief that people should use their freedom of speech to speak out against that bad speech. pamela geller again, can be a bigot if she chooses to be and the best way to combat that is with speech pointing that out. those who want to resort to violence to try to silence that there's no