the pardon?, first and foremost, good morning and thank you for having me on this morning. certainly i think mr. anthonyeo expressed his remorse, regret for getting involved or coming to the capitol on january 6th of last year. whether or not he would accept a pardon, that's a little bit too premature at this point in time. he has entered pleas of not guilty. we certainly look forward to his matter being resolved in a court of law and not in a court of public opinion. >> so you represent a number of clients. how aware are they that donald trump just dangled the idea of pardoning them? >> i think, you know, they, like most americans, have been paying close attention to the media coverage of the events surrounding january 6th. so i think that they are acutely aware of what former president trump has suggested. >> so they know. they know he's offering to pardon them? >> they know. >> how does that affect -- >> well, they certainly know there's discussion. >> okay. so they know. they know the offer i

you're going to pardon who, for what? cops for trump. the importance of him promising those pardons is hard to miss, right? i mean for one thing, it will have a current effect on the hundreds of ongoing prosecutions related to january 6th because of those defendants, they think that trump will get them a get out of jail free card if and when he gets back into office, that is reason for them not to cooperate, for them not to provide information about what happened, for them not to agree to plea deal, have to wait it out until trump is back in office and then they'll be free. but you know, trump promising to do something lawless and corrupt if he becomes president, it's like your friend january promising you'll be cold the next time she's around. yeah, duh, i mean we've seen what he does when he hat the powers of presidency and him promising to use the powers of the presidency in a lawless and corrupt and self serving way, it is not a surprise. but he did also use that idea as a sort of segue for something that is new, and that is i think

if it requires pardons, we'll give them pardons because they are being treated so unfairly. >> why are so many republicans silent? and whoopi goldberg apologizing saying the holocaust wasn't about race and getting help from the anti defamation league and he's my guest coming up. let's turn to january 6th and all the things surrounding and i want to bring in commentator ana navarro and a former advisor to george w. bush and john mccain and the executive producer of "the circus." good evening to both of you. mark, sources are saying trump advisors drafted two orders, one to the defense department, one to homeland security. this is how far they went to try to overturn the election. it is really chilling. >> amazing we keep learning new things worse than what we know, don. you know, i've been saying for republicans who wish for some future for the party we could put -- take donald trump off the windshield and put him in the rearview mirror and the last couple days, think what happened. he said the inside stuff out loud. he said he wanted pence to overturn the election. he said he wanted pr

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and if it requires pardons we will give them pardons. they are being treated so unfairly. >> these people are being treated horribly. i would absolutely -- because some were being treated very unfairly -- i would absolutely give them a pardon. >> by the punishments are -- >> that is already raising charges of witness tampering from at least one member of the january 6th committee, congressman pete aguilar, who joins me now. congressman, what do you think of the ex president reiterating this twice? that he would possibly pardon january 6th insurrectionists if he got back into office? >> i think it shows just exactly how dangerous it is and that we are truly at the doorstep of a constitutional crisis. but the fact that he is dangling pardons for these individuals who hurt 140 capitol police officers, that is insane to me. but once again, the former president is saying the quiet part out loud, whether it was that mike pence was responsible for not overturning the election, to why can't read raffensperger find 11,000 votes, time and time aga

and if it requires pardons, we will give them pardons. because they are being treated so unfairly. >> joining us now is john mosley, one of the attorneys for kelly megs and stewart rhodes two members of the oath keepers. both have been charged with seditious conspiracy among other charges. john, thank you so much for joining us this morning. we certainly appreciate it. and i just want to know, since we last spoke, we've heard this overture from president trump. is this something that your clients welcome? >> to a lot of extent, yes. if candidate donald trump is a candidate is saying i'll give a blanket automatic pardon if you vote for me and support me, that could be a problem legally for him and there are some people that i wouldn't want to see a pardon from january 6th. talking about a case by case basis as an individual review, yes, i think they absolutely would support that. there are january 6th defendants who publicly said and they think trump should have done more for them. he could have pardoned some or all of them before he left

and if it requires pardons, we will give them pardons because they are being treated so unfairly. >> so unfairly, he said. that is a former president, dangling pardons in front of alleged felons, some of whom might be called on one day to testify against him. yet again, shouldn't be that surprising. he has done it openly before, and paid no price for it. back in 2018, when he refused to rule out pardoning his corrupt-former campaign adviser paul manafort. >> think the whole manafort trial is very sad. when you look at what's going on there, i think it's a very sad day for our country. he worked for me for a very short period of time. but you know what? he happens to be a very good person, and i think it's very sad what they've done to paul manafort. >> he would, of course, go on to pardon paul manafortor fort and roger stone, neither in his words, ever flipped on him. so what he saw on saturday shouldn't be surprising. the behavior and intent were out in the open years before, as was going back to his first campaign, his intention to let a foreign power hack american computers, and t

he would pardon this? this crowd dragging officer michael fanone down the steps and beating him and tasing him and one rioter shouting "kill him" with is own gun? he would pardon this? officer daniel hodges crushed by that crowd and screaming out. >> hel would pardon this? rioters threatened to hang his own vice president? >> hang mike pence, hang mike pence! >> in his speech he told the crowd to fight like hell. >> we fight, we fight like hell and if you don't fight like hell you are not going to have a country anymore. >> uh-huh. and now he wants to pardon the in si insurrectionists who did just that. while the rest of us watched in horror. >> do you remember what he said during the 2016 campaign seeming to suggest violence against hillary clinton. >> if she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do folks. although the second amendment, people, maybe there is, i don't know. >> remember his threat the tough guys or whatever tough guys claim to supported him. a threat i should say tough guys supported hi

he said, some people think i should pardon them. could do it, these people would never have to testify or be deposed. joining us now is democratic congressman adam schiff, member of the january 6th committee and chair of the house intelligence committee. thank you very much for joining us again tonight. what can you tell us about jeffrey clark's testimony today? there were speculation that because it was only an hour and 40 minutes, he must have used the fifth amendment for an awful lot of answers. >> i attended each of the depositions today. and while i cannot comment on their contents, there is a certain amount already in the public record on jeffrey clark, mostly through public proceedings in the senate. and in the senate proceedings it became clear that at the various very highest levels of the justice department, there was an effort spearheaded by mr. clark to miss use that department to promulgated false claims about fraud, to try to discourage georgia from sending a slate of electors or to encourage them to send an alternate

what if we called it pardon university?t could be like tuition. [ laughter ] it was a crazy plan but you know what they say about those, sometimes they're so crazy, if you find the right lawyer, they just might work! >> did you or a loved one peacefully protest your way through the windows of our nation's capitol last january? if so, you may be entitled to a presidential pardon. >> hi, it's rudy giuliani, presidential lawyer and dildo aficionado. i want to help you avoid unfair charges brought against you. just because you broke into a federal building to protest something president trump made up. >> usa! usa! >> you may be eligible for a pardon if you committed any of the following patriotic acts. stealing a podium from the rotunda. stealing nancy pelosi's computer. screaming. wiping your blood on the walls. wiping your feces on the walls. peeing on the walls. or trying to hang mike pence. if you believe you've earned a presidential pardon, send a certified check for $10,000 to rudolph giuliani and associates, the ninth ci

and consideration of these promised pardons, these pardons that he is promising those who have already committed violence in his name before chiraz it is one thing to promise to do something once you're going to be president again. but him demanding that his supporters take to the streets if he is indicted, that is about that is not wrong and cannot be on wrong. that is in the threat of what might happen if he's ever president again. that is what will happen now, trying to hold him accountable if he's even never going to hold office again. joining us now is former republican strategist steve schmidt. steve, thank you very much for being at. this i really appreciate you being here. >> good evening rachel. >> let me ask you about these comments from the president. we have a statement from him saying he's wanted by pence to overturn the election. if i return to the presidency, i will pardon the january six defendants. any saying, and so many words, saying they want in the streets of the various places not being considered a potential criminal trials. is this a different threat to the comp

if it requires pardons, we'll

of anybody who is involved in january 6th, that he could have pardoned anybody, and he didn't do it. done it. >> he could have legally done it, jim, and issued a blanket pardon, and it could have been done, and prospective pardon, and if i could have been advising one of the january 6th defendants i would have said, don't hold your breath, because the earliest he could become president again is january 2025 and that is if these cases will be going on, and i would not bank the hope on it, and if the intent is to keep the people silent and if it works or not, and looks like imay have some impact, that is still witness tampering. >> and former doj jeffrey clark is in a key part of the plot to overturn the election pleaded the fifth more than 100 times when he met with the january 6th committee, and now talk that he could get perhaps an immunity deal, and what are you thinking about that, and i mean, the fact that this is a former department of justice official taking the fifth 100 times. >> yeah, so let's start with this. jeffrey clark has the right to take the fifth, and anybody who th

we will treat them fairly and if it requires pardons we will give them pardons because they are being day. people died. manu raju is out front on capitol hill. manu, these exchanges that you had making it crystal clear that there is still a very large group of republicans where you are in the senate where you spoke to the three senators whotismly are just not going to go there when it comes to trump. >> you're out of office despite having been impeached twice and despite the fact that he presided over losing both chambers of congress while being president for four years he still has a significant hold over the are party given the fact that the base of the republican party. many republicans do not want to get on the other side of donald trump, very similar to what we saw with this president. talking to a number of republicans, some did not want to criticize him, side step the issue, chuck grassley a ranking republican and could potentially be chairman of the judiciary committee in the next cook says there's speculation when asked about comments. others you mentioned. rick scott pointed

now he's dangling pardons when he gets back in office, will that be enough. >> former u.s. attorney joyce vance and former civil prosecutor maya wiley. joyce, what are they asking jeffrey clark today? >> well, i suspect they want a full accounting for what went on at the justice department in final days of the trump administration, particularly now that we've learned that the former attorney general bill barr stepped down just as these proposed orders that would have had d ofrmtsd or doj or dhs seizing voting machines, just as those were going into circulation. so a wide range of questions for clark who is, of course, a lawyer, who appreciates the fact that he can't just exert a blanket privilege and must show up and answer questions individually, the big outstanding question is whether this was a cooperative session and he's decided to share the truth with investigators or whether this amounted to a lot of i don't remember and i'm taking the fifth amendment. >> maya, the panel alleges clark stoked fear and election misinformation. if he doesn't talk -- that is a possibilit

them a pardon if things don't work out fairly. these people are not guilty. what they've done to these, and in many cases patriots, they're soldiers, they're policemen, what they've done to them compared to what they've done to the other side, you know, you have to have equal justice. and this isn't equal. >> with us to share reporting cnn's abby phillips. julie hirschfeld-davis, that is a snapshot of how donald trump sees the world. can you help me? what is the other side on january 6th? his supporters stormed the capitol. who is the other side that he wants punished? the police officers who were railroaded, beaten, hurt, a couple killed? is it mike pence? is it mike pence? they screamed hang mike pence. is it nancy pelosi? they were looking for her. how does donald trump see the other side in the insurrection? >> i think we're looking for logic in what he is saying here. it's a fool's errand. i think what he's trying to convey is he feels that he is on the side of the people who breached the capitol and the people who rioted and

and saying -- threatening, really, that he'd pardon them. so, he would pardon this? this crowd dragging then-officer michael fanone down the steps, beating him, tasing him, one rioter shouting "kill him with his own gun"? he'd pardon this? officer daniel hodges crushed by that crowd, screaming out in pain. he'd pardon this? rioters threatening to hang his own vice president? >> hang mike pence! hang mike pence! hang mike pence! >>> in his speech before the attack on the capitol began, he told the crowd to fight like hell. >> and we fight. we fight like hell and if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore. >> uh-huh. and now, he wants to pardon the insurrectionists who did just that. giving aid and encouragement to those who tried to violently overturn our free and fair election, while the rest of us watched in horror. we all remember what he said during the 2016 campaign, seeming to suggest violence against hillary clinton. >> if she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. although the second amendment people, maybe thisere is

we will treat them fairly, and if it requires pardons, we will give them pardons because they are beingirly. joining me now is someone who could have lost his life defending the capitol, nearly did, michael fanone. michael, thanks for being with us. what goes through your mind when you hear the former president saying that about people who -- and dangling pardons in front of the people who had attacked you and others that day? >> yeah, i think my initial reaction was, which political prisoners are you referring to from january 6th? are you talking about the guy that drove a taser into my neck and electrocuted me to the point at which i suffered a heart attack? or are you talking about the guy that tried to take my gun out of my holster and try to kill me with it? or, i don't know, the guy that beat my buddy pat over the head with an aluminum baseball bat? i don't know. it's more outrageous rhetoric from america's ex-president. >> and -- and it's rhetoric backed up by current members of congress, the senate, who have said, you know, there weren't weapons there that day. >> yeah, i mean,

and the very fact that he is admitting that pardons have to be issued, you can only pardon if someoneas committed a crime. so i think it implicitly suggest that crimes are being committed. if you dangle pardons out with the investigation before, we also know from reporting this weekend that trump literally tore up the memos that he was getting and she fought through them on the floor. the memo says that he would seize the voting booths and voting machines and things like that. i guess we finally learned what happened to donald trump's college transcripts but. it's potentially criminal. in fact, there is entire statute of presidential records which is all about the fact that you can't destroy these documents. they're important for law enforcement, for functioning of the government, and for trans missions of power which is done but donald trump tried to stop. and i just, and he was disappointed that he lost the election by millions of votes. but the american thing to do when you lose an election is every incumbent before him is to accept that loss. i was a junior lawyer at bush versus g

and if it requires pardons, we will give them pardons, because they are being treated so unfairly. that clearly suggests that donald trump would give pardons to anyone who commits a federal crime in attacking any of the prosecutors who are investigating it. that campaign promise of pardons also adds some clarity to donald trump's intent and motivation on january 6th, offering pardons to the participants in the insurrection of the capital. adds to the evidence that donald trump really meant it literally when he told them to go to the capitol and fight like hell. no one testifies against donald trump better and more effectively and donald trump. donald trump is dangerous, and donald trump is also stupid, and that makes donald trump a danger to himself, especially a danger to himself legally as his criminal lawyers well know. fani willis has sought no public attention for her quite investigation of election fraud. it took donald trump's public stupidity to force district attorney willis to say publicly, i am conducting a criminal investigation of former president donald j trump. donal

donald trump has been talking about giving pardons to january 6th rioters. but even in this situation, what donald trump is selling, the january 6th defendants are not buying it. justice producer and i made lots of phone calls this week to lawyers representing those january 6 defendants, including people in jail, people not in jail. people have pled guilty and overall they were telling us that they believe that what trump is talking about, about pardons is largely theatrics. there is a couple reasons for that. one, he's not president right now so he can't actually give pardons because he's not the president. when he was the president for 14 days after the insurrection, there were rioters who were asking for pardons publically, and trump did not give them at that time. so that was gone. and the third reason is that a lot of these court cases for these january 6th defendants, they're moving slowly, but they're moving fast forward that they will be wrapped well before the next presidential election. so there just really isn't a way for these people to be relyin

intimidating, threatening, dangling pardons. the star witness in the ukraine impeachment saga, the former first -- the former president's first impeachment, is suing trump allies including rudy giuliani and don jr., alleging that they conspired to intimidate and retaliate against him because he was willing to testify against the then president. remember this dramatic moment? this is from the impeachment hearing. when the now retired army lieutenant colonel alexander vindman said this. >> dad, i'm sitting here today in the u.s. capitol talking to our elected professionals, talking to our elected professionals is proof that you made the right decision 40 years ago to leave the soviet union and come here to the united states of america in search of a better life for our family. do not worry. i will be fine for telling the truth. >> that man told the truth. and the then president fired him from the national security council. like i said, right out of the trump playbook. whether republicans like it or not, the former president still

and i am going to pardon all those who have committed crimes.oretelling us what he foretold us back in 2016 when he said putin, russia, if you are listening, come on in. and so, what he wants to do is to replicate in the united states what putin has in russia. and that's clear to everybody. >> look, anyone who -- who really strikes back. anyone who sort of contradicts what he has to say, especially republicans, personally, right? anything that trump says personally, um, they say what he is doing is dangerous. they get these repercussions happening. kinzinger.tive liz cheney, adam i mean, they could be out of the -- the republican conference soon. there is -- and not be re-elected, right? there is a proposal making the rounds to remove them ahead of the rnc's winter meeting this week. what message is this sending? >> the message is you should fear me. was it fdr who said the only thing we have to fear is fear itself. well, most of the republicans are fearful. they are fearful of losing his supporters, helping them get re-elected. they are also fe

that's the equivalent of a pardon. we need consistency. there i agree with you. coming up from a shocking about congresswoman maxine waters, allegedly now paying her daughter a massive amount of money with campaign cash. if republicans win back the house, will these scandals be investigated? in other words, will now minority leader in the house kevin mccarthy go after nancy pelosi and the likes of maxine waters and others? he will answer the question next. ♪ ♪ the last thing on my mind. hey mom, can i go play video games? sure, after homework. thankfully, voya provides comprehensive solutions and shows me how to get the most out of my workplace benefits. what's the wifi password again? here...you...go. cool. thanks. no problem. voya helps me feel like i've got it all under control. because i do. oh she is good. voya. well planned. well invested. well protected. (girls giggling) ♪ (fun music) ♪ voy the comfortmat. from weathertech offers support where you need it. mom's gonna love this! grandma's gonna love it! (girls giggling) comfortmat provides anti-fatigue cus

to pardon them. it is okay.the reality of it is, for lindsey graham, susan collins, who can't seem to decide after she voted to impeach the guy, yeah i can't vote for him again. the reality is this. if you give donald trump another buy at that apple, he will take it and run it down your throat. he will shove it down your throat. you are on that list too. don't sit there and get that twisted belief that somehow because you stand in proximity of donald trump. and you got here, and blast back his narrative and his crazy. that when push comes to shove, that you are going to be off the list. when they start rounding people up and prosecuting people. holding hearings, etc. unless your name is michael flynn. and you are that far up the tree. if you know what i mean. you are not. you don't get the sanctity and the safety of being in trump's orbit. we have seen time and time again. you need to read michael flynn 's book. you need to listen to michael, trump's lawyer. >> michael cohen. >> yeah, michael cohen. you've got t

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, we will give them pardons. >> reporter: by dangling the prospect of pardons, trump has complicatedtiations for potential plea deals for hundreds of rioters. the prosecutor probing trump's efforts to over turn the election asked for f.b.i. security after former president singled out black prosecutors who launched investigations with ties to the former president. >> if these radical vicious racist prosecutors do anything wrong or illegal i hope we are going to have in this country the biggest protest we have ever had in washington, d.c., in new york, in atlanta -- >> reporter: trump also lamented former vice president mike pence writing in a statement, mike pence did have the right to change the outcome. unfortunately, he didn't exercise that power. actually, pence could not have. doing so would have been unconstitutional. >> now he's just making stuff up because he can't handle that the american people rose in large numbers and fired him. >> o'donnell: and major garrett joins us with breaking news, i understand, on the january 6th investigation? >> reporter: yes, house select commit

for one, trump is no longer president, so he no longer has pardon power. when he was president, people who were arrested for committing crimes on january 6th asked him to pardon them. he had 14 days left in office, he didn't do it. so now many of these cases are already over or will see their conclusion within this year. that means there will be guilty pleas, trials, sentencings, some defendants will have served years in jail by the time we have the next presidential election. one defense attorney told us this week, no help is coming. so that's the criminal matters. but remember, there is still this ongoing investigation on capitol hill. the house select committee is calling witnesses to testify under subpoena, and if they don't, one consequence could be a criminal contempt charge. that could mean a witness could face prosecution in court and a conviction like that could be pardoned. representative elaine gloria, who sits on the house select committee, spoke about trump's pardon remarks friday on cnn, with a clear concern that he could motivate witnesses n

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one advisor said some people think i should pardon him. he thought if he could do it, these people would never have to testify or be deposed. i'd love each of you to comment on that. claire, to start with you, there was a lot of republican reaction to this idea of pardons. lindsey graham said bad idea. trump of course called them a shmuck or a rhino and mitch mcconnell said bad idea. but i suspect that these republicans saying it was a bad idea is probably meaningless. it's like susan collins having concerns but what do you make of the fact that they felt the need to come out and say not a good idea? >> pretty clear trump is ready to burn the whole thing down. he's said that he wanted pence to overturn the election in plain english. he has done things repeatedly that shows his disdain and frankly disgust with the rule of law. whenever he says some people think, that always means it's just him. that's a phrase he uses quite frequently. one of the things i'm really worried about is we have to back this truck up and look, what is the purpose

saying you'll get a pardon if i win. i don't know how more blatant you can get than that.rd from a lawyer himself say it would certainly influence my strategy and that of our client. again, they're saying the quiet parts out loud. >> we've seen a number of pence aides testify this week and now we're hearing thatle of pence's records being turned over. they say there's no need for pence himself to testify since this is being given to the committee. what do you think? will former vice president pence cooperate or testify before the committee? >> i've always believed a great indicator of what has been done in the past is what will be done in the future, and i believe that if former vice president mike pence is called to testify, that he will go. i think that he's actually, i, i find it hard to believe that his former chief of staff mark short would go and testify without his blessing. i think he's hoping that he wouldn't have to. i believe if he were called to testify, he would go and testify before the committee, the january 6th xhae. and i would also like to remind everyone

>> reporter: they might possibly make different decisions if ey think they could get a pardon.ook at what trump was saying last night. >> these people are being treated unfairly. yeah, i would absolutely give them a pardon. >> reporter: trump had the opportunity to do this before he left office. cnn has reported that trump considered pardons for those connected to january 6th in the final days of his presidency. but his advisers urged him not to grant clemency and he didn't. >> paula, thank you very much. let's bring in maggie haberman and elie honig. the committee could soon have their hands on the pence documents. could this investigation come down actually to pence's inner circle? >> it's certainly going to be a key factor, wolf. we know that mark short, pence's former chief of staff, was brought in under subpoena last week, and he spoke, i think, at length to investigators. he knows a lot. greg jacobs, the general counsel, knows a lot. there's a delicate dance they're doing with the committee, they don't want to be seen as fully embracing it. but they're not bucking subpoen

videotape.t isn't that a pardon? same isn't it the same thing those district attorneys, those merrison att the same thing is e offensively it is the same thing. that is my point that you need to be consistent across all levels. you'reenoss all either for riotr you're against riots, property assaulting or killing police t officers and we've been consistent has to behal convicted . what's that ? go ahead.iste we've been consistent on the show, leeann, to point out. around you, you know, you're a lawyer from a legaleg standpoint. yeah, okay. alwhat's the difference between a pardon and not prosecuting somebody that you got video evidence of committing violent crimes? it's great. rightgreat to be a lawyer here. joe, i'm going to throw you under the bus because let me say right now, nutty professor donald trump was presidentnt. he woulde haveco the constitutional right to look at every one of those individualnsoo cases and hand ot a pardon if you're goingng to be a prosecutor, you have prosecutorial discretion like these

6th rioters if he were back in the white house. >> if it requires pardons, we will give them pardons because they are being treated so unfairly. >> reporter: republican congresswoman liz cheney responding, tweeting, quote, trump uses language he knows caused the january 6th violence suggesting he'd pardon the january 6th defendants and admits he was attempting to overturn the election. he'd do it again if given the chance. and this morning, "the new york times" reports trump was more directly involved than previously known in plans to seize voting machines after the election. the plans were conceived by his advisers to get the justice department and other agencies to seize the machines to look for fraud. at the rally in texas trump called the prosecutors investigating him radical and racist. a district attorney in georgia is now asking the fbi for extra security. >>> now to the standoff with russia over ukraine. a crucial phone call is scheduled between the u.s. secretary of state and his russian counterpart. meanwhile, the pentagon is now discussing more troop deployments in europe.

but were pardoned. democrats and joe biden have said that january 6 is greatest attack on our democracy in american history. since the civil war. seems those remember pretty bad. when the marxist left attacks our buildings, riots, burns down our streets, brutalizes other people. and are proud of what they are doing and announce it how come that is never a threat to our democracy? do you notice that? gnome are president trump talked about pardoning these people, i heard lindsey graham and susan collins and democrats, i thought, where the hell were you people when the other people were pardoned. >> it is worse, in summer of 2020, the democrat party said that rioter and looters were peaceful protesters, they helped raise money to bailout those individuals who were attacks our law enforcement. they helped raise money to bail them out of jail, including the vice president -- sitting vice president of the united states again, the american people are so fed up with the double standard with certain rules for le

they don't want to get dragged back into should we pardon or not pardon insurrectionists and so on. i think that's what graham was speaking to. there's the rational lindsay graham who says what is obvious and true and then there's the graham who wants to stay on trump's good sides because that's how graham saved his career by sideling up to trump and probably lose it. ultimately there's a lot of discomfort among republicans. they can't say it, but this is not where they want to be. >> gloria, the republican national committee has their winter meeting to endorse the removal of representative cheney and kinzinger has more than 50 co-sponsors. they're endorsing a mini purge like this ahead of the midterms. what does it say about what a gop house can look like in 2023? >> well, let's see what the republican national committee does. if kevin mccarthy becomes speaker, he's told you what he's going to do. he's going put paul gosar back on his committees. he'll put marjorie taylor-greene on better committees, as he said. he'll get a vote on the house to get adam schiff off of the intelligen

weekend in texas, former president trump said that if he wins the 2024 election he will consider pardoning people charged with participating in the capitol attack "in that case, i was there," said ghislaine maxwell [ laughter ] during the same rally, former president trump told supporters that, quote, "in 2024, we're going to take back that beautiful, beautiful house that happens to be white, but it's not the one you're thinking of." [ laughter ] in a new interview, maine senator susan collins criticized president biden for announcing that he will nominate a black woman to the supreme court and said that he, quote, "helped politicize the entire nomination process. collins' comments have drawn a stern rebuke from the black republican women of maine. [ laughter ] espn reported on saturday that tampa bay buccaneers quarterback tom brady will retire after 22 seasons, seven super bowl titles and, oh, what do you know, zero field goals well, guess he wasn't that great after all. [ light laughter ] former white house adviser kellyanne conway announced last week that she will release a memoir in m

and if it requires pardons, we will give them pardons. ( booing ) >> stephen: well, as long as you'reout pardons: ( bleep ) you. ( cheers and applause ) ( piano riff ) pardon my french. ( laughter ) what a weird platform to run for president on: i will pardon violent criminals. that hasn't happened since the famous campaign slogan: "tippacanoe and murder all you want!" the former president is currently under investigation in new york and georgia, and he told the maga heads what he wanted them to do if he got indicted: >> if these radical vicious racist prosecutors do anything wrong or illegal, i hope we are going to have in this country, the biggest protest we have ever had in washington d.c., in new york, in atlanta, and elsewhere. >> stephen: so, to recap he's saying: "i didn't send a mob to murder congress, but if i ever face any consequences: kill, kill, my pretties, kill!" ( laughter ) "fly! !" international symbol for flying monkey. ( laughter ) he has absolutely no remorse about unleashing the mob, and he'll do it again. but a bi-partisan group of senators are trying to make su

according to one of those sources, trump asked aides if he should pardon, quote, everybody that had a trump sign or everybody who walked into the capitol. meanwhile, the "washington post" points out that trump's suggestion of pardons will make it far less likely for any january 6th defendant to cooperate with investigators, attorneys, or at trial. the post makes this note. for those awaiting trial, the impulse to quote make a deal and serve a sentence to get it over with may suddenly seem less appealing than sitting tight and quiet, and crossing one's fingers to wait for a pardon. joining us now, political reporter for axios, sara, we're glad you're here. let's start right there, on the former president's comments regarding capitol rioters, do we think they could a, have an impact on those indeed facing trial, changing their calculation as to how to approach their legal proceedings, but also b, talk to us a little bit about the politics we're seeing here. this feels like a rare issue that at least some republicans are willing to defy the former president. >> absolutely. and the "washi