i happen to see it in folks like mike pence, paul ryan.good for the party and good for the debate. >> newt gingrich, for instance. >> i know him. >> happens to be our coa-host. i do think that we're better when both parties are better. >> i think conservatism is at its best when it's either making a strong intellectual argument like barry goldwater, irving crystal. that's w on a lot of issues. and that kind of emotional connection has been missing. >> i think it's good for everybody to bring a little more heart and soul back. we are glad to talk about some things that we agree on. the debate is going to continue online at cnn.com/crossfire. from the left i'm van

i happen to see it in folks like mike pence, paul ryan.good for the party and good for the debate. >> newt gingrich, for instance. >> i know him. >> happens to be our coa-host. i do think that we're better when both parties are better. >> i think conservatism is at its best when it's either making a strong intellectual argument like barry goldwater, irving crystal. that's w on a lot of issues. and that kind of emotional connection has been missing. >> i think it's good for everybody to bring a little more heart and soul back. we are glad to talk about some things that we agree on. the debate is going to continue online at cnn.com/crossfire. from the left i'm van jones. and from the right, i'm se cupp. >>> out front, terrorists slauting more than 60 people at a popular mall. nearly 200 others are wounded, including americans. we are going to talk a woman tonight who was inside that mall. >>> plus a concert turns into a mass casualty event. authorities are blaming a powerful new narcotic. >>> and 80 political prisoners have been released by

. >> again, i'm happy -- i tried to sit down with paul ryan these issues. exchange ed ideas but i don't think he has any negotiating authority. >> go get it. >> i think i could negotiate on oh behalf of the caucus. i don't think right now they have a proposal they can make on behalf of the caucus. the reason is, we have seen it with the speaker. sometimes he enter into agreements but then tells the caucus, okay, here's the agreement i reached and they disagree with the speaker. it is hard to negotiate with somebody without negotiating authority. you said we should have a solution. we have a practical solution. i have a proposal to replace the sequester which is, according to the congressional budget office, going to result in almost 1 million fewer jobs in this country by this time next year. we should re place that. that's not a good thing. i would like a vote on it. i hope you agree and our colleagues agree in the house we should have a vote . vote it down, up. have a vote. >> i'm all for votes. >> that's a practical solution for the problem. >> there is

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people that have a deep respect for paul ryan we would do better. do you prefer? >> the president has added some very good people to the administration. the chief of staff, secretary of commerce web known for years. it is another set of really challenging issues. what do you do about the fed? a lot of people are down on bernanke. my own opinion is that he saved the nation. -- he did a lot of really good stuff. you have a political battle for the seat among the two prime candidates. the president mentioned a third. i have a fourth. i said to somebody the other day over a cup of coffee, maybe if things are really challenging weekend topper nagy into staying for a while. not likely that will happen. if we were thinking about the challenges at hand, that would be it. my preference is that the president makes a choice soon and that he makes a good one. >> you do not have one between the two top contenders? >> if i did i would not tell you. >> what do you personally think of the president? >> you know we have a history of never playing presidential politi

a younger generation of republicans like paul ryan, marco rubio, eric cantor that seems much more easily to embody said genuine and proper tradition of morality along with the genuine and proper concern with limited government or individual liberty. i should add this is a real challenge. this concern with liberty on one hand and tradition on the other goes back to edward. back to france that liberty depends to get proper respect with order and virtue it is the traditional way to maintain a low order through the cultivation of virtues that we form individuals that are capable of maintaining freedom and a free society and. understood there were never less intentions it means to do as you wish or that it is what you ought to do. sometimes what you wish to do or which profession you wish to enter it differs. the tensions, they meet each other. but today however, again commend they understand there are claims of tradition, liberty and they are trying to put together policies of a reform agenda to reflect liberty and tradition is also to the attention. >> host: what you think of rand paul? >>

but i think paul ryan has said that, and he said it on other occasions too.that is changed is the grassroots of the party have moved in a different direction, and paul ryan realizes that if he wants to stay out in front, if he wants to be a presidential contender in '16, if he wants to knock boehner out as speaker of the house, he has to be on their side of this issue. and it is destroyed because it is -- i mean, the old saying about politics stopping at the water's edge is completely gone now. there is nothing but politics left in this. >> maria, and we have also hearing from the former defense secretary donald rumsfeld, the man who planned the iraq war. >> right. >> he has been attacking the president's handling of syria. watch this. >> the essence of leadership really is clarity and a vision. and there hasn't been one. the so-called commander in chief has not been acting as a commander in chief. he's not provided leadership. >> now, why do people criticize this? well, you want to blame somebody. if you want to learn how to blame, watch our president. just

as paul ryan told the wookies, we have to stay on the right side of public opinion. shutting down the government puts us on the wrong side. the fight is on the debt limit. debt limit. in a season of overestimation, irresponsibility and fallacy, it is perhaps the grand old promises on the debt ceiling that truly take the date. quote, in exchange for a debt ceiling increase, cantor told his colleagues, the gop will issue a litany of demeadowlands, one-year delay of obama care, anti-regulatory bill calls reines act and other spending reforms. jonathan writes, "can you picture cantor, boehner, paul ryan encircled by wide eyed republican members excitedly asking, and will be there be food stamp cuts and guns? and gop leaders telling them oh, yes, food stamps will be snatched away from the lazy 47%ers and there will be a rifle in every school room. joining me today "washington post" columnist gene robinson, washington bureau chief at the "huffington post" ryan grim and host of nbc's disrupt, karen finney. joining me from washington the man with the gimlet eye whose article

evidently paul ryan and many other republicans were for this before they were against it. congress on a bipartisan basis in 2003 voted for the syria accountability act that stated emphatically that it is the policy of the united states that chemical warfare in syria, weapons of mass destruction, is a threat to our security. it is called the syria accountability act when they wrote press releases, patting themselves on the back for passing it, now don't want to hold the syrians accountable. we need to get the politics out of this and focus on the strategic objective, which is to make sure that the syrian regime cannot continue to use and escalate the use of chemical weapons, not only against its own people but against our national security interests, against our people, against our troops. >> if the current diplomacy that appears to be taking place at the u.n., russia mediating, if that breaks down, would you support air strikes on syria, even if the president isn't able to secure votes in congress for action like that? >> well, i'm not prepared to go there quite yet. i bel

to get i to shift back said something about paul ryan's plan. medicare costs are out of control, not because medicare is a bad program. in fact, the medicare overhead is about four percent of the dollars that come in, and what number have we been using for the system we have? 20%. medicare is actually a very efficient the stone, but because all health care loss are going up roughly a three times the rate of inflation for 30 years, medicare is a huge problem for the government. social security is not. with some minor tweaks, we can fix social security, but medicare is. paul ryan said instead of shifting the risks from the on this the patient theory, badly mistaken theory, because these folks have no understanding of how health care works or how human beings work, , but sincerprising they could not understand that, they shifted it to the wrong people. you do not shift it to the patients because patients do not buy health care well, and they do not make rational choices. i am no better. i had my hip replaced. i know nothing about orthopedics. i was

their own budgets put together by wisconsin representative and formal vice presidential candidate, paul ryanke the president's budget that won't pass a gop house, the republican's budget won't get past the democratic controlled house. those are not the odds from vegas from but guggenheim partners. joining us now is guggenheim's washington analyst, chris krueger. thank you for joining us. let's start with the budget problems. this is unheard of. there's been dysfunction in congress for a long time, but it is unheard of that this is really their primary responsibility. how do you explain the fact that we have not had a budget that has been passed by congress and signed into law since 2009? >> this is sort of the new normal, right. you have a house of representatives run by republicans. democrats in the senate and president obama obviously in the white house, and sort of to bring it full circle, the process is basically corked. [ laughter ] >> 40% likelihood of a shutdown. you guys have come up with that. politically this would be disastrous, we're probably at an all-time low for how people fee

here's another one where he called wisconsin representative paul ryan. >> yo, paul, what's up?heese, have you seen that new cheeseburger pizza from pizza hut? >> no, i haven't. i've been traveling and i have work to do, bill. >> oh brother, let me paint the picture for you. a crust made of cheeseburgers, chicken filet balls under the cheese and topped with -- say it with me, paul -- [ dial tone ] -- even more chicken. [ applause ] >> jimmy: he didn't even say it with him. he's like, i can't do this right now. he has too much time. >> steve: yeah. >> jimmy: here's one last one. he called senator harry reid. i don't even know why. >> hello. >> harry, it's the b-man, you got plans on sunday? >> as i said last weekend and every weekend before that, i spend sundays with my family, bill. >> lame. "breaking bad" party my place. you better be there. >> nope, i'm not going to be there. and you know, you don't have to keep inviting me. >> come on, there's only two more "breaking bads" left. you got to be there. bitch! [ dial tone ] >> jimmy: we love "breaking bad." >> steve: come on. >>

the paul ryan plan for medicare reform.t the time they said we just don't know how to do this, it is far too complicated. gerri: what they didn't know how to do was analyze the cost of that. you would be putting the burden of cost on seniors and they wouldn't be getting any help. sort of what walgreens is doing. but they had something interesting to say. >> if you do this it is cheaper for the federal government, also cheaper for the beneficiaries, it also bends the health care cost curve. they said this would work. gerri: what are we to years in obamacare, something like that? >> yes. gerri: so i can't keep my doctor, cap keep my health plan. i may not be able to get coverage from obamacare. maybe it would have been better in the first place to use paul ryan's plan? >> you make it sound like a bad thing. gerri: thank you for coming on. lots of stuff going on. more to come including what to look for when you are buying wine. uncle sam pushing subprime mortgages on to consumers. that is right, details after the break. ♪ [ ma

the same paul ryan that said he and mitt romney agreed absolutely with the white house's red line on syria using chemical weapons. an entire republican party which built their political messaging and their policy, in foreign policy about finding and fighting the bad guys now seems thoroughly confused. because when your foreign policy determination is based on childish interpretations like a criminal that is ruthlessly fighting a broad series of rebels, including, as assad would be the first to tell you, the terrorists like jihad, many of whom are exported from iraq. a side of a list of bad guy that is included a whole big list of bad guys for us to fight. joining us, barbara lee, from california, just nominated by president obama to lead the u.s. general assembly. congresswoman, as someone who has voted to the opposition of military force, who served in the days after 9/11 until now, do you think this latest chapter of public debate and congressional involvement in our contemplation of intervention in syria is a turning point? >> i certainly do, chris, and thank you for giving me the

you see paul ryan who's leading on the budget in the house. it's not realistic.going to get to the senate. >> when you look at the fact that the president is concentrating on going back and dealing with the middle class, let me show you a statement. >> i've been visiting towns across the cun trirks talking about what we need to do to secure a better bargain for the middle class and everybody who's working hard to get into the middle class. joe and i are going to keep pushing for a better bar began for the middle class, a better bargain for the next generation. what we should really be thinking about is how do we grow an economy so that we're creating a growing, thriving middle class. >> a growing, thriving middle class. build the middle class. create something for the next generation. here at home, isn't that what america wants, cynthia? >> well, of course it's what america wants. it's absolutely poll after poll that's what america wants. but you have a gop that is dedicated to destroying obama, even if that means they also have to destroy the country. they don't

paul ryan i think really gave us insight into thinking here we have to stay on the right side of public opinion. shutting down the government puts us on the wrong side. the fight is on the debt limit. this is all political. the debt limit is way worse for the country and american workers but better for republicans politically. >> we don't know how bad it will be. the government shutdown, some sense how it will play out. there were contingencies plans. we've been through this with the debt limit. no one knows what will happen when we breach it. it's been interesting over the last few days to see what's happening within the conservative grassroots. while the mainstream media is talking with increasing horror about what might happen if we cross this rubi conof the debt limit breach, the debate is all about ted cruz, this long-term playing out of what did the tea party mean, the internal war between the tea party folks and establishment of republicans. there's a sense of internal drama that's been happening on the right among conservatives that sort of overwhelm all other debates. >> even m

i don't think -- i think paul ryan is right, you're not going to get a deal between the house and senateapes the federal budget and makes changes in taxes or entitlement programs you would need but you will have to get some sort of fundsing bill that is status quo, what the government spends next year will look like what is spent this past year. that's the thing house republicans are choking over getting to the floor. eventually something will have to pass, probably will nancy pelosi's help. >> josh, just five scheduled legislative days stands between the house and government shutdown and as of now republican leaders have no idea how to stop it. we have a group of republicans dying to do in this case to stop obama care, including shutting down the government and another group saying, that doesn't make sense for us long term legislatively or short-term legislatively. can this party get out of its own way? >> eventually they'll have to. we've seen this happen over and over again. it happened on the bill to deal with expiring tax provisions at the end of last year when the bush tax cuts wer

remember the ad with paul ryan purk granny over the cliff? president obama said republicans, their plan is for dirty air and dirty water. do you think we want grandma to die and want dirty water? >> what i do know is that this plan is already making sure that more americans have health insurance. there are more people that have health insurance now because of president obama's plan. >> but you're going to pay for it. >> 16.7 trillion in debt. $7 trillion is obama. you're going to pay the rest of your life paying for that. >> it bothers you. why? in the back. >> it shows how irresponsible the government is heading and i think we need to take measures to stop that. to stop that. why is this debt being placed on our burden and our children's and our children's children's burden? >> i will tell you, you will work your entire lives paying this back. >> i want to hear from republicans in this room. if they think that the way in which congress has been acting, refusing to act, making every opportunity to change this country and block every time when

. >>> paul ryan will have a book out next summer. the former v.p. candidate struck a deal with a publisher. >>> public face in the city of boston in the aftermath of the american bombing is resigning. ed davis is stepping down after seven years on the job. "the boston globe" says he will take a part-time teaching job at harvard. >>> and who needs a doctor's note when you have one from the leader of the free world? 5-year-old alana was at the white house, during an event for families of wounded warriors. but to go, she had to miss her first day of kindergarten. she asked the president to give her an excuse. and he did, writing, quote, she was with me. that's going to do it for your morning dish of "scrambled politics." >>> hundreds of flights were canceled at the strongest typhoon battled landfall. it made landfall in southern china. with sustained wins of 100 miles per hour. chinese authorities have ordered the evacuation of tens of thousands of people. >>> bill karins, now, with yoyour monday forecast. >> it's the beginning of fall. it's going to f

. >> and they do listen to folks like paul ryan and he'll be an important figure here.'t listen to john boehner very much. and this why if you're the white house, you have to figure out not the leadership is kind of leadership in name only often and it's really the members who lead what's called the republican study committee. and that's kind of the big block of conservatives. they are the people who ultimately are going to sign on to whatever happens. some of them realize obama care -- paul ryan is pretty aware, obama is not going to sign a delaying of his signature lay but you have to get more republicans there and the rsc members, government shutdown will not hurt them. their constituents want a shutdown and want a confrontational approach and that becomes a challenge there. >> they don't listen to john boehner. we don't listen ari, it all comes together. >>> radical liberal reforms in the war on drugs, tim lynch from the cato institute will join us tomorrow to talk about all of this. expecting slightly different kind of conversation. >>> up next, we'll try to explai

as we noted there, allen grayson, paul ryan, back-to-back republican, democrat, both agreeing this is the right step in their estimation. >> it's not a party line situation due to the gravity of it, due to the scope of what it means internationally. not your typical capitol hill sort of quarrel over some cliff or some budget or some of those things we've seen play out. it also comes at a time when the entire country is weary about war. members on both sides acknowledge that. those who have been attending these briefings, we've been talking to them. many do believe there is a compelling case to be made. when you talk about a compelling case on intelligence, that also raises questions for some who believe that what happened in past conflicts in iraq and so forth was not compelling enough. so this more work to do angle you're hearing, many people in both parties talk about a desire for the president -- and we'll certain will i hely hear it froy kerry and general dempsey, in being that voice of the administration in a very public setting today to make the case as they see it. i'm also tal

and paul ryan, it's pretty palpable in our conference, i would say, you mean, about how they're saying and back at you, we're not going to fight but forget about what we said earlier? yeah there's a bit of frustration. we all believe the same thing we all want to achieve the same goal and so we shouldn't be questioning each other's conservatism over tacticat disagreements. >> let's bring in luke russert. a couple of weeks back i was talking about conservatives on the hill that were blasting ted cruz and marco rubio and mike lee, but, you know, why don't you say the names because they told me the stuff off the record. they are not off the record any more. everybody from paul ryan to scott walker to charles krauthammer, you name it they are out there saying this is a stupid idea, never had a chance of passing and it's not about conservatism it's about bad tactics. >> it's quite stunning, joe. one of the cardinal rules of being a republican is thou shall not attack another republican. we heard that so much during the 2012 primaries when we had those spirited debates. to hear this on capit

, delay the implementation of obama care by a year and lay out tax reform instructions based on paul ryan's plan and push republican energy initiatives including the keystone pipeline, coal regulations and justify shore drilling regulations and scale back health spending programs. let's turn to state politics where the virginia gubernatorial candidates squaring off for the first time in a prime time debate. ku cucinelli and mcauliffe had a debate. >> he's pushed personhood legislation which would outlaw most forms of contraception, make the pill illegal in virginia. women are 50% of the workforce in the united states of america. you cannot grow an economy by putting walls up around virginia. >> the comparison here is someone who has told "the new york times" you help me, i help you, that's politics. talking about a case where he was an indicted coconspirator in a teamsters election money laundering case. if terry is elected governor we'll have to change the state motto to quid pro quo. >> according to an nbc 4/marrist poll mcauliffe currently leads in the polls. >>> they are conducting fing

if paul ryan wanted to be speaker, he could be speaker tomorrow. the sort of true conservatives wants to become the speaker, they can be the speaker. >> with cantor, same question with boehner. besides fulfilling a lifelong dream to be speaker, have the gavel, the title, the perks, maybe it's a car, he would have the same exact issues john boehner has had. you have tea party ranks in the republican side that defines themselves in opposition to the republican establishment. >> this debate rages in washington of does john boehner have an impossible job or is he just bad at it. fundamentally unanswerable, but part of why he's there right now is because of this sort of attempted insurrection against him was so disorganized. there were a record number of votes against him, and yet they didn't all vote for the same opponent. and there wasn't anyone stepping up and making an actual overt power play even though we heard about this stuff behind the scenes. cantor has poisoned the well of a lot of conservatives, not only what he did this week, working with b

disclosed information my own and the activities carried out by a global network of alec tronics paul ryan has brought about anger and repudiation of past sectors and public opinion worldwide in brazil the situation was even more serious. as we brazil feature as a target of such an intrusion. citizens' personal data and information have been indiscriminately targeted and intercepted business information often times of high economic and even strategic value. have been the target of spying activity on big. boys while also communications by brazil and diplomatic representation offices including the permanent mission of brazil with the united nations and even the various presidency of republic of brazil. for subject to interception of communications meddling in such a manner in the life and affairs of other countries is a breach of international law and as such it is an affront. to the principles that should otherwise govern relations among countries especially among friendly nations a country's sovereignty can never affirm itself to the detriment of in other countries suffer and. the right to

is paul ryan a rhino?room. and it's a room that the people jam ined inside that room, they don't carry majorities, not in presidential campaign, not in senate campaigns, not in congressional campaigns. mika, i think this is an important moment for the republican party and the conservative movement. this is a moment when the party and the movement decided, hey, you know what, we're going to be responsible and we're going to engage in tactics that actually have a chance of working, helping the american people, and winning presidential elections. i for one am very happy. >> well, here is what "the wall street journal" editorial board writes. "the cruz campaign against obama care when mr. cruz demands that house republicans hold firm, he means they should keep trying to defund obama care even if it results in a shutdown that president obama will blame on republicans. it's nice of him to volunteer house republicans for duty. the supposedly intrepid general cruz can view the bat from the comfort of hq while the

you asked why we hadn't seen a lot of paul ryan.ve to a budget negotiation, ma it requires give and take. it requires compromise. they would have the same problem speaker boehner has gotten which is anything they agree to would be subject to veto by the caucus along as you about that tea party wing of the caucus to veto commonsense compromise. and so that's where we are. so low, i think what the president is doing is, you know, laying out very clearly the steps that he is trying to take, but we are now at an impasse they can only be resolved by speaker boehner finally saying to the extreme element of his caucus, enough is enough, you know. it's one thing if they're just damaging the republican party but they're now doing great damage to the country. i don't don't think the country should be the victim of this republican civil war. >> paul? >> let me take you back up there. what you think speaker boehner can do with the growing conservative tea party caucus where do you feel sorry for him? because of what he has to work with, or do y

wall street journal said this is a phony fight and syrians paul ryan says it's a phony fight.he house of representative, the republicans over there. >> they're all chamberlains. >> we're all nuts. suddenly, everybody says these are right wing nuts. now they're neville chamberlains according to cruz. so preposterous. >> we know perfectly what we are dealing with. we are dealing with outside conservative groups putting a lot of pressure on these republicans to vote on obamacare over and over again and say we will score you on these legislative score cards negatively if you don't do this. in the abc poll last week, even though 27% of the people overall said it was a bad idea to shut down the government in order to harm obamacare. of the people who oppose obamacare 52% said it was a good idea to shut down the government. so these people are just responding to their constituents. >> to go back to that, it's a political opportunity for him. he will die on this hill and turn around and tell all the conservatives he was alone. i think it benefits him politically. he will come out of t

and paul ryan. people have been concerned for years, economic conservatives.aying that there's some members that fear if they continue to follow this stupid tactical approach that will lose, just has to do with sheer ignorance of how to wayne football game. this is like running the wish bone night yesterday. somebody says, you know, i saw that the wish bone worked really well back in the 1970s with barry switzer, we'll run the wish bone. it's not ideology. it's stupidity. stupid outdated tactic that won't work. >> think that's right. i think this is also, if you look at the grassroots of the republican party they are so hungry for leadership, and i'm reminded of that scene in "the american president" michael j. fox say they are so hungry for leadership, they will take the mirage. it's not honest to call on troeb republicans to defund obama care. >> do you know who said it's not honest? do you know who said it's not honor northeast say we'll shut down the federal government, to defund obama care? mike lee. he said it's not worth it. ted cruz said, we need a cou