so putin wasn't happy about this but there's no way putin could have turned him over. never from day one. is. >> rose: politically? how politically fragile is he? >> it's not about fragility. it's about two other things. in international affairs people think putin is anti-american. i say no. he's non-american. he has a foreign policy from europe to the middle east that's different from america. and he takes pride in that and on the basis of that he's made allies. to give snowden back, a highly symbolic figure given the surveillance issue would have collided with what putin has done in international affairs. but at home he has a political elite. forget society. the political elite didn't want him to make this concession to the united states if you want to know why, that's another story. >> rose: what could the united states ha ne to get him to change his mind? >> i can't be sure because i don't know what the back channel discussion was. but it would have been snowden's decision. but snowden's father suggests-- and he's on his way to moscow soon, on his appearances in th

it's over can't reason with putin anymore just call him out why you deal with putin is policy. feckless -- we can importune him and not being tough. >> bill: should we boycott the limps? that's tough. >> no, no, that's boycotting an international event. it's not boycotting -- putin could careless. >> bill: you don't want to say is he a sloucher. >> i agree with president obama's decision to say no meeting with putin. i'm going to the b-20. meet in the context of the b-20. putin i'm not spending special time with you. it's not worth my time. >> that's not a punishment for putin it. he will take his shirt off and go out a shoot a tiger. he doesn't care. >> no. no. this on the international stage is a rebuke of putin that is a right and proper rebuke. that is being tough it. that's being the right way. >> bill: i like obama -- if i want to call him out verbal whether i it's it necessary to do it and then they can go to ranch and make up. >> if you are going to call him out, don't call him the slouch in the back of the room. take a policy disagreement and say with all due respect p

putin. president putin's behaving like a school yard bully, and in my experience, i've learned, unless you stand up to that bully, they ask for more and more and more, and he's always going out of his way, president putin is, to seem to poke up in the eye, whether it's in iran, syria, now with snowden pep so i would urge the president not to go forward with the bilateral meeting next month. that would give putin the kind of respect he doesn't deserve at this point in time. i would also urge the president to try to urge our allies, if it were possible, to move the g-20 summit away from st. petersburg. some of them may not want to do that. the g-20 summit's important, but certainly on our own end, for the president to meet with putin in a one-on-one meeting later this month would give him respect he doesn't deserve after all he's done. >> schieffer: so you just moved the whole thing-- not only cancel the summit with putin but also move the whole international conference. >> if possible. i thin

is this a putin issue or much deeper? >> primarily a putin issue. you've described the switchover from president medvedev to putin in 2012 and that's made a very large difference. i would just say from personal experience i went to russia a year ago in august of 2012 to try to keep going the nuclear reduction program, going on for 20 years. made a proposal that the united states and russia might -- if an emergency came work together to mop up the syrian chemical weapons. because we'd had very great experience out in sucha and russia and here. i would just say simply that i met resistance and the war department immediately said we don't want any more americans around in esansence and it was change -- >> there's always this assumption when medvedev was president and putin was prime minister that he wasn't really in charge, putin was in charge. but clearly he did have more influence because medvedev really wanted u.s. cooperation. >> he did. in fact, he came out to silicon valley, as you may remember. he wanted very much investment in russia. a change

i think i'm not at all convinced that putin is not done messing with the united states and putin has not forgotten the libya issue where he opposed the nato bombing and that's carried over into his views on syria as well. >> peter brooks, i'm going to give you the last word. you have the first word. i'm going to give you the last month. on friday, correct me if i'm wrong -- >> two plus two. >> secretary state kerry is going to be there, our defense minister is going to be there. if those guys come out, if kerry comes out with some soft statement, that will just be the end of it. that would just undercut this entire action. do you think john kerry will hang tough? >> i think he's going to have to be very careful in what he says. i don't expect much to come out of these meetings, especially with the cloud over the obama/putin relationship and snowden still hanging out there. snowden could kick snow at any time he wants. >> he could do it in the next week, during the g-20. you know, the united states doesn't have to go to the olympics. the winter olympics in february, we don't have to g

we have to understand what putin is like. this guy, putin, is one tough cookie. he came out of the kgb. he was the head of a lot of their, shall we say, undercover activities. he was a very tough guy that he was able to take over that country, the way he did, at the age he did. those who live by the sword get shot by those who don't. we have to be very careful about dealing with this guy. we cannot give him the feeling that he can push us around. i think this is exactly -- was exactly the right thing to do. what he did in syria, in iran, what he's doing all through the middle east, he's going directly against our interests and he knows that he's doing that. >> wait a minute. we've got clashing national interests with russia, he with us. we've got syria. what else? iran to some extent. >> wait a minute. this is a great power. it's a significant power around people like nixon and eisenhower would not have allowed us to have what you call a rupture. on syria, our rebels happy to be more and more dominated by al-qaeda. and they're saying, why are you supporting guys

chose to create. >> i don't think putin is the one creating that. putin doesn't sit there and personally write the, you know, scripts for the news anchors. putin sends a certain signal and then the system then interprets it as it does. i think -- we're -- just like obama doesn't control everything that happens in the u.s., putin doesn't control everything that happens -- >> very different. julia -- >> i know -- >> you are getting absurd now. we're getting absurd. putin does, indeed, in fact controls -- >> does he? have you reported out of russia? >> they do control some news outlets in russia. >> no, the kremlin controls it -- no, no, no. >> there's no comparison. >> the kremlin owns them but you can't say that putin whispers in the ear of -- >> the kremlin owns them, julia. we'll come back to you. krystal, the notion that snowden was the deciding factor here is something that's being debated a lot today. it seems like the white house and the administration had a lot of incentive to actually look for a reason to not have this summit since there real

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putin was not as significant of a ? of a policymaker as he actually was, and/or the possibility that mr. putin would return as a ? as a future ? as the future de facto and de jure leader of the russian federation. my view on putin ? it?s not so much that he has a foot in the cold war; i think that he?s been more affected by, you know, what he?s seen with u.s. behavior after the cold war and in the 1990s. i think he reflects a very broad kind of consensus in russia that the united states in particular, the west more broadly, was taking advantage of russia during a period of historical weakness. and a lot of the sort of developments in the ? particularly in the international security system, sort of nato expansion being a ? being a big one, and then the experience of the serbia war in particular, with the u.s. in their ? russia?s ? view operating outside of the international law, had a deep impact on putin. and then subsequently, i think, maybe even a deeper impact was, you know, after 9/11, when the russians worked close

there's putin getting thrown out of left and right. >> putin? oh, putin, that sounds dirty. >> the other guy is like why didn't you come out with her on the show so i could have got even more putin? >> yes, domanix the real putin here. but speaking of putin and gays -- >> best thing about russia is vladimir putin on the horse shirtless. >> is that a male horse? we would not want to have to arrest you vladimir putin. and for god's sake, cover up! thanks, civil rights! >> we got kristin cavallari in full on bitchy girl mode. she's leaving a place called hoe ray henry's. >> are you paying for my taxi? >> yeah. >> $20. >> yeah. >> there's a bunch of paparazzi flashing her cameras and she's just complaining. >> you got to pose for me. >> five, let's go! five each. give me $5! pony the [bleep]. >> was she serious? >> i'm telling you, this is pitchy girl mode. it is very, very common among women. [laughter] >> she's drunk and she's out and just having fun. i watched the video. >> i like you a lot. you're wrong. >> you can't say she's wrong. it's not ob

and senator schumer wants putin about are terrible implications for the relationship and says that putin put the knife in the american back. >> brown: to fast forward to today's action, this scene in russia as a clear diplomatic slight. >> i think that the way it is seen in russia as a logical progression of this situation, they obviously are not happy that it was consult. at the same time i think everybody recognizes that under the circumstances that was the right decision. including from the russian standpoint. because president obama came to moscow under the current circumstances with all this media criticism, pressure from the hill, he would have to conduct himself in a way that is a serious negotiating would be impossible. >> brown: we hear the president on jay leno and he's almost chiding russians for a cold war mentality. what do you make of that. what does that tell you about the state of thing? >> i think putin radiates a cold war mentality so a lot of other people have come to that conclusion. i'm not sure it's the best move to throw that in his face. there are many other facto

he also obviously has the putin problem.hat has their thinking been about the criticism of the nsa program? >> of all things on his plate, snowden leaks, the question of what does nsa do and what is surveillance about, politically had a bigger impact than the other various controversy. some argue are politically driven and others more serious than that. this one had the actual impact when you look at the polls it's that's where you see skepticism rising among particularly among folks under the age of 40 who spent a lot of time online and he has been getting a lot of advice, the president has, from outside advisers saying you have to be more public in explaining and if your going to defend and in defending. create more transparency and do these things. you have to get out there and explain these programs because you're taking on water on this topic with a group of voters and a group of americans who are inclined to be supportive of you on other things. you can't afford to lose another piece of the american electorate because

there's putin getting thrown out of left and right. >> putin?that sounds dirty. >> the other guy is like why didn't you come out with her on the show so i could have got even more putin? >> yes, domanix the real putin here. but speaking of putin and gays -- >> best thing about russia is vladimir putin on the horse shirtless. >> is that a male horse? we would not want to have to arrest you vladimir putin. and for god's sake, cover up! thanks, civil rights! >> we got kristin cavallari in full on bitchy girl mode. she's leaving a place called hoe ray henry's. >> are you paying for my taxi? >> yeah. >> $20. >> yeah. >> there's a bunch of paparazzi flashing her cameras and she's just complaining. >> you got to pose for me. >> five, let's go! five each. give me $5! pony the [bleep]. >> was she serious? >> i'm telling you, this is pitchy girl mode. it is very, very common among women. [laughter] >> she's drunk and she's out and just having fun. i watched the video. >> i like you a lot. you're wrong. >> you can't say she's wrong. it's not objective. >>

relationship with russia changed after putin took over from dmitry medvedev. >> when president putin,o was prime minister when medvedev was president, came back into power, i think we saw

what would do you to putin? putin is doing this on purpose.oesn't have to give this guy asylum. he is spitting in the eye of the u.s.a. and really sending a message to president obama like, you know, we are not going to -- we are not going to cooperate with you. what would you do to putin? >> i think there are a couple things we can do. and number one, of course, we can ratchet up the rhetoric, which of course, we are not going to do anything. not going to accomplish anything. >> bill: putin public spats with putin won't help him. >> bare chested and hunts a bear or something. goes fishing and pulls out those four feet long catfish, whatever he is fishing for. you could as lindsey graham is suggesting, threaten to boycott the olympics and sochi. is that going to happen? i doubt it will. will it really accomplish much? no. it kind of goes back to the old cold war, you know, moscow olympics in 1980. i don't think they dual that bill, we could also say, well, the president is not going to meet as planned on september 5th with vladimir putin in mo

remember, he stared into putin's eyes, or stared into his soul, i think he said. >> that's right putinthe kind of figure you would see warmth there, and truth worthyness, but one reason, you know, they're going to continue criticizing him is just tactically they didn't play this very well. i don't think they thought through what they were doing when they stopped his plane in russia. okay. so what have you done at that point? you stop his plane, don't let it take off and then force it to land. then when eva morales leaves russia and they think edward snowden is on the plane, they force that down, so now russia knows that if they let him leave, the u.s. will try to force the plane down and it would look like they got pushed around, so they did back putin into a corner. whatever you say about putin, he's not the kind of figure you would want to back into a corner. you want to give him some kind of way to get out of it with some honor. he's the kind of guy that that's what he cares about more than anything. i think they'll continue to get hit for it. >> he also care being his magnificent t

putin. there's a consensus here that the relationship has taken bit of a nose dive in the last couple of years, i guess. and that's consequences at least with mr. putin coming back to the kremlin. i think as pundit in the media, we can often focus obsessively on personals, and we can sort of see people slouching at summits and read entire world moving events to them. when it might just be a bad day. in putin's case, there is an argument that, you know, having been in control of russia, roughly speaking, for over ten years. he sort of is the state. louis the xiv kind of way. i'm wondering the degree of problems that steve and angela both pointed to in the relationship a result of mr. putin, and his new approach to u.s.-russia relations. >> i think what you say is true. and i add mr. putin coming back and the fact u.s. administrations policy toward russia was very much a premise. the reset was exactly -- it was all that steve said. it was a list of practical and important issues between the un

there is putin.kissed the pike there, i believe. >> billy, the monitor is partially obscured there. did you just put up another anthony weiner photo. >> no that was putin. >> scared the living hell out of me. i thought this is getting really weird. that's beyond limit. you can't keep that. no he got it. but here is the controversy. fishermen tell me that there there is has never been a pike that's been 46 pounds ever caught. biggest pike is about 27 pounds. and putin is fudging it here. >> i love putin because he wears camo out on the lake and waders when he is inside the forest. i don't know what that is all about. whoa, look at his -- sorry. >> photo here. okay? easy on this. all right? thank you. >> huma believe him, leave him, huma. listen, he is the most interesting man in the world. that's what's happened to putin. he is has turned into the most interesting man in the world. >> bill: there he is. at least he put on the shirt after he caught the fish. >> that is a solid cup. >> and the problem i

put ds in flamboyant, the president buttoned down and measured. >> putin

let us not forget that president putin is a project of the kgb.there is still a lot of sentiment in russia, some hard feelings between the two countries. so, yes, i think we have to be very careful about that. >> and turning now to domestic politics. a new poll in new hampshire potential 2016 candidates say that support for marco rubio is down and chris christie is way up. >> i think chris christie is the flavor of the week. maybe we should stop an poender that for a little bit. marco rubio has a problem with many republicans, particularly the more conservative ones because he's perceived as cooperating with the democrats on immigration which is one of the very volatile issues to the republican base and one of the big problems for the gop. >> and in that same poll among liberals, hillary clinton was the run away favorite with 62% support. at this point is it a given she's the 2016 democratic nominee or is there any possibility of a dork horse coming out? >> first of all, she might have something to do with it. we have to take her at her word. but

putin is a blow to mr. putin that will deprive him of a high profile moment. i heard a russian analyst this weekend saying the russians are going to consider this an act of weakness, that president obama cannot stand up to the angry voices. >> that's a very interesting point. what we have seen over this last -- well, first of all 22 years since the end of the cold war and u.s./russia did not have a cooperative relationship, we have even the emergence of an antirussian lobby in our government. snowden was a lousy christmas gift. that's how putin put it. so i think president obama got it right when he said a month ago, we have a lot of business to talk about. >> right. >> don't let edward snowden get in the way. there are issues of mutual national security concerns that russia and the united states should be engaged in, whether it's afghanistan, how to engage iran, how to find a way out of the bloody sectarian conflict in syria. so i think it is damaging to that process for president obama to essentially see to this antirussian lobby and empower, as i said, the

there's putin getting thrown out of left and right. >> putin? oh, putin, that sounds dirty. >> the other guy is like why didn't you come out with her on the show so i could have got even more putin? >> yes, dom nix the real putin here. but speaking of putin and gays -- >> best thing about russia is vladimir putin on the horse shirtless. >> is that a male horse? we would not want to have to arrest you vladimir putin. up! or god's sake, cover thanks, civil rights! >> we got kristin cavallari in full on bitchy girl mode. she's leaving a place called hoe ray henry's. >> are you paying for my taxi? >> yeah. >> $20. >> yeah. >> there's a bunch of paparazzi flashing her cameras and she's just complaining. >> you got to pose for me. >> five, let's go! five each. give me $5! pony the [bleep]. >> was she serious? >> i'm telling you, this is pitchy girl mode. it is very, very common among women. [laughter] >> she's drunk and she's out and just having fun. i watched the video. >> i like you a lot. you're wrong. >> you can't say she's wrong. it's not objecti

this really, really rattled putin.then you had the protests, the kind of anti-kremlin protests that broke out around the time of putin's return to power. and the kremlin chose to take an anti-american line in not accusing then secretary of state secretary clinton of almost orchestrating the protests. things just kind of snowballed from there. things haven't been going well for about two years, a year and a half, and the snowden thing i think was really just the last straw. >> and chrystia, isn't the awkward reality here that this anti-americanism actually plays well in russia? is that fair? >> well, i agree with you, fareed, and i would double down on that argument. you know, i've seen some people talk about the cancellation of this summit as a blow for putin, and i think that nothing could be further from the truth. i think that what we're seeing in russia is putin playing the classic authoritarian leader's playbook. and what he is doing is not only playing to a nationalist zeno phobic anti-western constituency, he is

why is he embarrassed by putin? what's he going to do, invade russia -- >> not offer him asylum. >> of course they could. >> we will leave it there. ahead on "the five," verdict watch for whitey bulger, one of the most notorious gangsters in american history. kimberly is following the case, all over the bulger. day two of deliberations was fascinating. ♪ >>> two high profile criminal trials are under way right now. an interesting development in the fort hood trial today. we will get to that in a moment. first, a verdict could come soon for whitey bulger. the jury deliberated a second day in boston. today they asked the judge several questions, including statute of limitations on conspiracy to commit murder and for clarification for aiding and abetting criminal activity. he is accused of playing a role in 19 murders, racketeering, extortion, money laundering and more. he faces maximum of life plus 30 years. we have been following this case from the beginning. what's interesting, the developments people don't want to

you talk about putin like that.a nation and empire. >> you were saying maybe you think this built a little respect for obama. being talked to -- i want to pick this up, and get into the issue with the olympics and anti-gay laws in russia. ♪ i'm a hard, hard worker and i'm working every day. ♪ ♪ i'm a hard, hard worker and i'm saving all my pay. ♪ small businesses get up earlier and stay later. and to help all that hard work pay off, membership brings out millions of us on small business saturday and every day to make shopping small huge. this is what membership is. this is what membership does. [ crashing ] [ male announcer ] when your favorite food starts a fight, fight back fast with tums. trusted heartburn relief that goes to work in seconds. nothing works faster. ♪ tum, tum tum tum tums! ♪ now you can give yourself a kick in the rear! v8 v-fusion plus energy. natural energy from green tea plus fruits and veggies. need a little kick? ooh! could've had a v8. in the juice aisle. >>> so there wasn't really a lot of

putin to think forward as opposed to backwards on those issues. with mixed success. >> reporter: arizona republican senator john mccain wants to put more pressure on putin who he says really doesn't value the u.s./russian relationship. mccain suggests bringing the country of georgia into nato, though that could drag the alliance into conflict with russia since russia and georgia have themselves gone to war in the past decade. eric? >> wendell, see if they have another photo op. what that looks like. if one's way over there and one's way over there during the g-20. thanks so much. >>> the stage is now set for a major showdown over obama care. republican senator ted cruz is leading a new campaign to repeal the health care overhaul. an effort president obama says has consumed the republican party. >> i think the really interesting question is why it is that my friends in the other party have made the idea of preventing these people from getting health care their holy grail. their number one priority. the one unifying principle in the republican party

to me it was putin. >> i agree. why did it take the white house two or three weeks to make this decision? they could have done it days earlier, at least at the beginning of the week. it is hard to figure out. >> beyond edward snowden, the other issues that charles mentioned, i agree. i do not know why he is stepping foot on russian soil. the g-20 is not that significant. >> i am confused about the legal situation in russia. putin has been talking about opening up the gulags. if you are successful businessmen, you end up in a gulags. i do not know how that works. >> they put so many in the gulags, the economy is collapsing, so they will need to let some of to do what they were doing before, and hopefully they will not doing as badly. they have to do something because they are taking too many from the private sector into public jails. >> it is an interesting way of governing when it comes to free enterprise. whether it's free or not, is a different question. >> you have to remember who vladimir putin is -- a kgb guy,

the most was disappointed with president obama's decision to cancel his one on one with president putin over russia's giving asylum to n.s.a. leaker edward snowden. and do you care universities become increasingly out of reach as i saw intuition fees mean broadbridge so from poor families giving up on getting to graduation. from moscow this is our duty for more international news with me to buy more day let's take a look at our top story this hour i made a mounting disturbing reports of civilian kurds targeted by militants in syria the ethnic group is crying for help the kurdish democratic union party has filed an appeal to the e.u. about their plight the u.n. is also investigating the allegations of ethnic cleansing artie's they were not girlish is following the situation in the region. the kurdish democratic union has officially turned to the international community asking them to pay close attention and to rescue them from the fighting that is happening in this region and essentially asking the likes of the un to help to save kurds who are being among the syrians who are killed on th