this is apparently not put a hitch inap the step of the stat republican party ofhe ohio, though. you think your speaker of the house and state party chairman both gettingf sent to federal prison on gigantic prison terms for corruption charges might lead to an oh, boy in the state, but not so. they're plugging away and just announced they eno longer want any independent voters to be allowed to cast votes in c republican primaries. shows you how much they're looking to reach out to undecideds and moderates.ds they want close primaries now, noim independents, no undeclare voters should be allowed to vote in republican primaries. and they'reub getting ready to y to change the rules for ballot measures in the state, and that appears to be motivated solely by the fact they're about to lose a ballot measure on the issue oft abortion really badl after ohio republicans have pursued h draconian abortion ba. the state of ohio is essentially revolting against those decisions. a ballot measure that would restore abortion rights in ohio looks like it will rock on the ohio ballot, and so ohio re

things are also a little weird right now in the ohio republican party. the former republican house speaker in ohio was just sentenced to 20 years in federal prison in a mass of 60 million dollar private bury's green that he apparently ran while serving as republican speaker of the house. the former state chairman of the ohio republican party was also convicted at the same bribery scream, he got five years in prison. this is apparently not put a hitch in the step of the state republican party of ohio. you think that you're speaker of the house and state party chairman both getting sent to federal prison for a gigantic prison terms on corruption charges might lead to a little bit of a wall boy moment in the state, but not so in ohio. ohio republicans are plugging away, they've just announced that they no longer want and a independent voters to be allowed to cast votes in republican primaries. it shows you how much they are looking to reach out to undecideds and moderates. they want closed primaries now, no independents, no undeclared voters should be allowe

and the reason is very clear. donald trump still has a firm grasp on the base of the republican party. you can't win the republican nomination if the base is against you. so if these candidates were to come out and there is one who's not here, who has been doing that for many jersey governor, chris christy. but in general, i think the calculus for these candidates are, you can't come out and say, donald trump did, did this bad, that this bad is a getting charged with all sorts of crimes and attack him because these people will, might see that as a personal attack on their identity, trump is unlike any modern politician and where people feel his supporters feel incredibly passionate about him and his causes. and so what you're seeing is i'm sort of walk the one that we saw, one of really long shot candidate, former governor at easter hutchinson. he talked about law and order, but really they're not going to come out and attack trump because they don't think a that that would help them with his supporters and be the entire hit story of the republican party since donald term 1st came dow

where does the republican party goes? to tout these micro winds. what i call them, essentially, truly played into a tiny fraction of americans. the shrinking maga group, and then also evangelicals who are not gonna turn out and deliver a win for any republican in the white house. so in essence what i see ronna mcdaniel doing is expressing frustration expressing frustration at the fact that you've got people wanting to become celebrities overnight. look at matt gaetz, marjorie taylor greene, lauren boebert -- these people are not there for policy. they have no interest in legislating. pulling the levers of power to govern is just not simply in their wheel house. so i think to the republican party between now and election day 2024, you need to have and all of the about strategy which means telling your candidates to stop with the hate. and to start talking responsibly about what it means to live in america today and care about the inter erica, because guess what? russia, china, india, they are all laughing at our students.

did the, to the salvage, the, the, the political culture is going to be resolved within the republican party and considering, you know, there are a lot of my expenses, and nikki haley is out there in jennifer. i mean, is it possible that you wouldn't be republicans and actually in lock step to get behind donald trump? is it possible now with considering what tucker carlson had to say, go ahead a. hi joe, and i'll tell you one thing i live in wisconsin in right now, there is a, there's a chasm. there's a shift of and people are realizing it, but a lot of the people, you know, wisconsin is a great, it's a salt of the earth place. but the conservative here are completely conservative, at least as the porch front that have supported the idea of the styles by dr. on paul, by others, by an anti war anti establishment. that those conservatives here are hated by the republican party. and i know that's happening throughout the area and, and i, i can tell you, i mean there's, there is one, at least at least one state representative as of the past 7 days. as of last week, who has literally stated, i do

and i want the republican party to be that type of a party. - given trump and the rise of figures like marjorie taylor greene and george santos, how does the republican party find redemption? - that is a really good question. note the contrast in that language we just saw, which was quite universalist in the sense that, "i want to make life better for all people. i want to provide a ladder of opportunity for all people," versus the dominant rhetoric you see coming from the populist reactionary right, which is, "i will defend you, the us, against them." but the them't a foreign power. the them is your fellow americans on the other side of the aisle, which is an inherently extraordinarily divisive, polarizing message. so, you know, there are a couple of paths forward. one, the most difficult, i think the least likely, unrtunately, is a competing message entering the republican marketplace of ideas that says, "no, let's turn back to that universalist message. let's turn back to that message that says we want all americans to prosper in this country." there is no us and them. it's just us.

however, the problem i have is that the republican party has become an instrument of fascism. i am really afraid to vote third-party to hand the reins of power over to a deeply flawed and dangerous group. i respect your positions, but i'm very hesitant to support you. how would you respond to my concerns? guest: that is really a very crucial question. it really is. because this is the clash between what i was talking about in terms of utilitarian thinking , counting the numbers, and trying to create something new. fascism is real. fascism is at work in a powerful way in the republican party and can in the republican party. and it could easily spill over in the democratic party too. don't think the republicans have a monopoly. but certainly trump is worse. but one out of 10 of those voted for bernie sanders. but it is a matter of policy and spirit. but how do you fight fascism? i don't think you can fight fascism. if you are in the democratic party, tied to the same militarism, and you have a caretaker that says i'm not the almighty but i'm all the alternative. this is what joe

before the civil war he had the republican party and southern democrats. the southern democrats controlled american politics. after the civil war, the democratic party was controlled by the northern democrats. it wasn't until 19 76 when jimmy carter became president of the united states as a southerner, he made it clear racism is no longer welcome in the democratic party. that is when the white people who were democrats went to the republican party. any attempt the republican party can nominate the candidate that is not a radical, they can't win. they have more people just like the democrats is to have. guest: martin, you are correct that we have had a multiparty system within our two-party system for a long time. it wasn't until i would say about 2010 that we truly had a genuine two-party system with no overlap. for a long time what we had were two overlapping coalitions and the southern block was always kind of a third party, regional parties then the two-party system. i think in some ways the history of our country is actually as a multiparty system and

and in 1948 and 49 prominent senators from the republican party are urging a union between dixiecrats and republicans. the head of the rnc goes down to alabama in 1952 and says, you all believe in states rights. republicans believe in states rights. we should get together and form a union. and it's no accident that some of the early candidates that the republican party runs in the south are themselves former dixiecrats. in 1954, the candidates the republican party runs in both alabama and florida are former leaders of the dixiecrat movement. as time goes on, they're less former formal dixiecrats than just former segregationist. in 1963, they run a two democrat officials who have just jumped to the republican party. but who make it clear they believe in white supremacy. so this story is one that stretches back from the forties all the way really into the current millennium. a lot of this change doesn't finally settle out in southern states at the local level until the early 2000s. so it's a long process. and so i think it's wrong to think of it. it's simply wrong to think of it as some

michelle goldberg's earlier point, he has managed to seal off the republican party from reality. and that's where we find ourselves today, a party that just doesn't believe in reality. congresswoman zoe lofgren, it's always a pleasure. thank you for your time and your insights. >> as thank you. >> after the break, how these new details fit into the bigger picture. a timeline of the classified documents case, and how the allegations in the superseding indictment give us a clearer picture of the ex presidents potential criminality. l crim on, and road-test evaluations... and the results are in. subaru is the 2023 best mainstream automotive brand, according to consumer reports. and subaru has seven consumer reports recommended models. outback, forester, solterra, crosstrek, ascent, impreza, and legacy. it's easy to love a brand you can trust. it's easy to love a subaru. ♪ do you remember years ago we used to come in and just fall asleep with a face full of makeup? or worse. we'd try to take it off with soap. our poor dry faces. don't regret, just reverse. no7's new future renew damag

michelle goldberg's earlier point, he has managed to seal off the republican party from reality. at's where we find ourselves today, a party that just doesn't believe in reality. congresswoman zoe lofgren, it's always a pleasure. thank you for your time and your insights. >> as thank you. >> after the break, how these new details fit into the bigger picture. a timeline of the classified documents case, and how the allegations in the superseding indictment give us a clearer picture of the ex presidents potential criminality. potential criminality. td can be caused by some mental health meds. and it's unlikely to improve without treatment. i felt like my movements were in the spotlight. ingrezza is a prescription medicine to treat adults with td movements. ingrezza is different. it's the simple, once-daily treatment proven to reduce td that's #1 prescribed. people taking ingrezza can stay on their current dose of most mental health meds. ingrezza 80 mg is proven to reduce td movements in 7 out of 10 people. don't take ingrezza if you're allergic to any of its ingredients. ingrezza m

before the civil war he had the republican party and southern democrats. the southern democrats controlled american politics. after the civil war, the democratic party was controlled by the northern democrats. it wasn't until 19 76 when jimmy carter became president of the united states as a southerner, he made it clear racism is no longer welcome in the democratic party. that is when the white people who were democrats went to the republican party.

and i don't understand what the republican party, look, i'm not a math guy, i'm a simpleton at politics, but of 35% of the base likes donald trump, that means 65% would prefer somebody else. why can't they agree, why can't they get together and say hey, let's all fields a candidate that we think can go up against donald trump and get rid of this nightmare? >> dude, i've been preaching it for the last six or eight months. i don't know why the party

the loyalty pledge give the state's republican party party to decide who they allow on the ballot whichuld hurt voters by limiting their options. >> what if your candidate you like refused to sign a loyalty pledge? that person couldn't be on the ballot would thai be okay? >> no. >> he told cnn via email the pledge is a method to insure unity but not every republican voter we spoke with is in favor of it. >> i do think it is takes wade our individual freedom. i think it just does. i don't know if it's necessary. >> this independent voter, who voted for trump in 2016 says florida's republican party is playing with fire. >> i think they put themselves in a position to be criticized. if they ask for a loyalty pledge the majority of the public would not perceive a problem. >> randy joins us and have any of the candidates responded to this loyalty pledge requirement? >> yes, they have anderson. former texas willurd says he won't sign the pledge because he says he went to for the donald trump if he's the nominee. chris christie has said he thinks this pledge is useless. as far as trump and ron

so, pivoting a little bit again, talking a little bit about the future of the republican party, and a quick reminder to our viewers that you can put questions in the chat or over twitter at bpc_live. some of the republicans who voted for the debt limit are taking a back home. then you have conservatives in the house very upset about the numbers in there. we have had some senators and members censured back home for working across the aisle. as the bipartisan organization, that is a little troubling. we actually believe that we get durable policy when the two parties work together and you bring everyone's viewpoints together, and it just results in policy that is more reflective of the country. i wanted to get your thoughts on the future. where the republicans go from here and how is bipartisanship being perceived? mr. troy: i will jump in here. we were pre-gaming this. rick was not too eager to talk about the censuring issue. look at thom tillis. he is a smart politician. he has won a couple of times when he has been counted out before. maybe he has some problems with the party back ho

the core of that crime, the false believe that biden illegitimately won remains candid in the republican party. just listen to current party chair, ronald romney mcdaniel. >> when did you stop being an election denier? >> i think that saying there were problems of 2020 is very real, i don't think that's election denial. i mean chris, i am from wayne county, we had a bill telling that i backdated ballots. we have to look into that. when you have friends who are pole watching, and being kicked out, that's deeply concerning. we have every right to look at. that i think everyone should have a little bit more concerned about. >> wait a minute, are you just saying if the chair of the republican party, you still have questions as to whether or not joe biden was the duly elected president? >> joe biden is the president. the process went. >> do you think that he won the election? >> i think there were problems with 2020. he ultimately won the election, but there were lots of problems with 2020 election. 100 percent. >> and that's fair. >> but i don't think he won it fair. i do not. >> you're saying tha

and the republican party of ohio is launching a campaign to say it's okay to vote that way. n, both of these initiatives are meant to convince republicans that mail-in and absentee ballots are okay. so the republican party has begun to realize the whole ballot fraud idea was electoral suicide, that apparently its head, donald trump, has not. we will have much more on that when my friend and colleague jen psaki returns to join me at this table. coming up next. join me at this table. coming up next now, i literally have the ability to take a shirt off and go out in the sun where i would have never done that before. try golo. it works. sleepovers just aren't what they used to be. a house full of screens? basically no hiccups? you guys have no idea how good you've got it. how old are you? like, 80? back in my day, it was scary stories and flashlights. we don't get scared. oh, really? mom can see your search history. that's what i thought. introducing the next generation 10g network. only from xfinity. i know there's about dupuytren's contracture. i thought i couldn't get treatmen

well, let's say on behalf of his candidacy, as one of the possible candidates from the republican partythe next presidential race ah mr. prince actually takes a completely opposite point of view than donald trump and well actually uh because michaels is also running from among other representatives of the republican party to uh in order to claim to be the only one well, let's say the main candidate from the republican party in the next presidential elections, ah, what he came to ukraine and what he said here, what statements he made, in fact, this is quite serious this is a signal for us, first of all, that the overwhelming majority of the republican party of the united states absolutely does not adhere to the point of view that donald broadcasts, yes, to vladimir's friend. well, the ps actually said absolutely correct, absolutely logical , rational things that are concentrated around this strategic the republican party's course of criticism of the current democratic administration, and already zakhar berdyna about the fact that in fact the white house helps ukraine too little and this

his brand is solid within the republican party, within the republican base. any debates. these candidates cannot attack him because then they will lose a huge portion, if anything were to happen to donald trump. let us remember, we still have six months before that primary in iowa. so much can happen between now and then. donald trump is facing multiple indictments. i think that that is what they are counting, on including round desantis. they are waiting to see if it gets so complicated for donald trump, that they start gaining ground. now, rick wilson knows. i don't want desantis is going to go anywhere. he continues. he's a failure. he continues to go down in polls. maybe chris christie will start gaining ground because he has been the only one to attack donald trump directly. we shall see. >> so, yeah. i don't know, rick. i'm hesitant to go here. i'm going to go there. you have referred to desantis as having a bit of a problem as we watch his campaign sputter this past week. having to fire staffers, et cetera. you called it electable dysfunction. >> my qu

and really, it shows the difference between the parties, i mean, the republican party's conservative, but it was a conservative party that had a sense of honor, just like the democrats had a sense of honor. that appears to be gone now. and his threats are, i think, pretty shocking. and the fact that he's continuing to lie to his supporters and that many of them don't have a source of actual news, and they buy it, is ominous as well. a lot of innocent people were harmed in january 6th. people who believed him, and that's happening again. >> yes. and to michelle goldberg's earlier point, he has managed to seal off the republican party from reality. and that's where we find ourselves today, a party that just doesn't believe in reality. congresswoman zoe lofgren, it's always a pleasure. thank you for your time and your insights. >> thank you. have a great -- >> thank, you too. after the break, how these new details fit into the bigger picture. a timeline of the classified documents case, and how the allegations in the superseding indictment give us a clearer picture of the ex presidents p

but this republican party, this trump republican party, it's a cult. they all go along with it. >> and to live in fear every day of your life. the thing i'm about to say, is that going to upset donald trump? if so, i better not say it. >> oh, my god. >> we're seeing it among the candidates trying to defeat donald trump. they're measuring their words. now wait, i know this is really bad. i know january 6th was bad. i know stealing nuclear secrets and hiding them at your beach club is really bad. i know all the defamation we're going to talk about is really bad. but, boy, if i say something mean or something donald trump even could interpret as critical, i'm in big trouble, so i better defend the guy, even though i'm trying to beat him in a political race. it's wild. >> we're going to be talking about it, but you look at the ruling out of new york where district judge yesterday in new york said, "hey, maybe donald trump, maybe he didn't rape e. jean carroll under the law, penal law, but, my gosh, in common parlance against the people, the u.s. army, the

it's not just a republican party problem when, say, more than 60% of republican primary voters will keep supporting the anti democratic accused lawbreaker nominee. loan trump is running in a field that does include these men, the jersey governor chris christie, the former congressman from texas will hurd, the former acca arkansas governor asa hutchison, republicans who seem prepared to say the right thing. >> he takes these boxes with him. he flies them. up there in new jersey now, if he still has them. they'd be a new jersey. they go on summer vacation with him. i mean, he wanted to continue to pretend he was president and show these things to people and say look what i still have. look what i still know. >> chris christie, will hurd, asa hutchison, a push back on the republican national committees requirement to sign a loyalty pledge supporting the eventual nominee. without it, by the way, they say you can't be involved in any of the presidential debates. but most republicans running for president will have no qualms about signing such a pledge. even supporting the eventual nominee mea

of that crime, the false belief biden illegitimately one, remains cannon in the contemporary republican partyel. wendy >> when did you stop being an election denier? >> i didn't say there were a problem in 2020 is very. oh i don't think that's election denying. chris, i am from wayne county. we had a woman sent a note saying i'm being told to act a balance. we had a look into that. that's deeply concerning. when you have friends who are poor watching and being kicked out, as deeply concerning. we have every right to look at that. and i think everybody should have a little more concerned about, listen, look at -- >> wait a minute, are you saying, as the chair of the republican party, that you still have questions as to whether or not joe biden was a duly elected president? >> joe biden is the president -- >> i didn't ask if he was the president. do you think he won the election? >> i think there were lots of problems with 2020 because but ultimately he won the election but ultimately he won the election but there were lots of problems with the 2020 election. 100 percent. >> that's fair. >> but

i think the republican party is trying to figure out what it wants to be.to align with any of the other presidential candidates. donald trump does seem to be the one. trump was spot on. that base solidifies. >> eugene, in a little bit of time, we'll, 90 seconds that we still have, let me turn your attention to one of the issues that's going to come up for the president. that is his decision to provide cluster bombs to ukraine. we showed a clip earlier of the president saying that he initially was not for it but decided to do it. how difficult was the decision inside the white house for the president to make? >> like all of these decisions, to give things to ukraine, it's always kind of a push and pull and a concern about going too far. most importantly, how is vladimir putin going to take it? it's not just giving these weapons to a country fighting another country. he doesn't always think the way most leaders think. he is always worried about using the worst of his toolbox at anytime. this is one of the most controversial for democrats that the president ha

there is little showing right now or little belief that his support, based on supporting his republican party, is deteriorated in a significant way. >> nbc's vaughn hillyard, from pickens, south carolina. joining us now, msnbc political analyst and former florida republican congressman david jolly. and democratic strategist don calloway. he's the president of pine street strategies. gentlemen, i welcome you both. david, i want to start with you. vaughn just highlighted how gop enthusiasm for trump remains strong. what's it going to take over the next seven months for a challenger to breakthrough? help me out here. >> yeah, look. we are all waiting to figure that out and i think everyone who has entered the republican party, ron desantis, tim scott, others. they all have the presumption that somehow donald trump will wound himself. that the indictments will become too great of a burden for him, or the allegations and now culpability of the sexual assault will become too great. but republican voters continue to say, no it's not. we are sticking with the guy, they got us to 2016 election that we

trumpet the ability to impeach trump after january 6th, then we wouldn't be in this position or republican party wouldn't be in this position because mr. trump wouldn't be able to run it down. and yet, mr. mcconnell and so many other republicans who, who knew well that mr. trump had behaved, rucker had simply and illegally, refused to take a stand and they've done so repeatedly, i guess the game that they, you know, want to keep those voters themselves. and they don't want to take the risk of going after truck, but if all the republican leadership came together and actually said this is not good for the country, this man is bad for the country. the republican party would be better off. and frankly, america would be better off, we need to functioning political parties. and right now the republican party really isn't functioning. yeah. i see you refer to trump mater complex if he went to the combination, not only he would of course, pays himself as, as of the victim, as he's always done of a witch hunt. and i wonder what the implications of that off of the us legal system during a up a presidentia

i received not a single dollar from the republican party. that's okay.se money from them. so to say i was grifting on republican sources, it's outrageous, stupid and wrong. and froongly frankly this is a chairman out on his skis trying to pull the liz chaney to fire up the right. >> what do you think about the idea of making everybody have this pledge? >> well, first off, it says terrible things about your candidates, that you are like they are so bad that you have to try to force everybody else to support them. and i think it's anti-democrat, look, maybe a party has a right to do that. and that as a country is something we need to discuss, should a party have that much power. you are taking away the voice of countless citizens if somebody simply says i can't get on the ballot because i'm not making a fake pledge to support somebody, to me it's anti-freedom, anti-democrat and it goes to show the slide the republican party continuing to make in this scary authoritarian place. i think they will need to push back on that whether you love donald trump or dis

the republican party is a radicalized party. they are fascists. a vote for anybody other than biden is a vote for trump. host: laurie and vermont tells us her candidate is rfk junior. caller: i don't plan to vote for either a republican or democrat, because i think both parties put forth candidates that most people don't want. rfk junior, i plan to vote for him now but i'm still up and whether candidates. as far as i am concerned, biden could not have won the primary without the democrats going all out for him, and perhaps a vote for biden is really a vote for kamala harris, because i don't think he will make a full term. host: what are some of the things about rfk, smooth the things he is saying that you like? caller: i am totally antiwar, and robert kennedy junior seems to be one of the few candidates talking about that issue. i want to us out of ukraine as soon as possible. host: let's go to clearwater florida. ellen is also a joe biden supporter. caller: good morning, c-span. i am a biden supporter. i appreciate everything he is doing and tryi

the republican party needs people to vote, a lot, by many means, in order to win in 2024. the rnc recently, and ironically, unveiled a new campaign to encourage republicans to bake your vote, which encourages voting by absentee and mail-in ballots. at the state level, republican virginia governor glenn youngkin has unveiled a secure of your vote initiative. and the republican party of ohio is launching a campaign to say, it's okay to vote that way. again, both of these initiatives are meant to convince republicans that mail-in and absentee ballots are okay. so, the republican party has begun to realize that the whole ballot fraud idea's electoral suicide. but apparently, its head, donald trump, has not. we will have much more on that when my friend and colleague jen psaki returns to join me right here at this table, coming up next. coming up next hey bud. wow. what's all this? hawaii was too expensive so i brought it here. you know with priceline you could actually take that trip for less than all this. i made a horrible mistake. ♪ go to your happy price ♪ ♪ priceline ♪ as

now there's talk about trying to become republican party with a 15-week ban. re going to lose that portion of your base that has become single party voters. they're abortion voters, and they expect that protection will be afforded at conception. interestingly, andrea, this is where mike pence is, and it might win him some votes in iowa. >> and to david jolly, just very briefly the abortion issue, is that the best issue that the democrats have going for them right now in the general? >> it certainly provides the sharpest contrast that the republican party gave you a supreme court, the american voter a supreme court that rolled back protections that they have had for 50 years, and should they increase their power and leverage in washington, you could expect a federal ban reflecting as the senator said either a 15-week ban or more restrictive. that is a contrast for voters. elections are decided by contrast, it's a good one for democrats to take in the next -- >> that's all we have time for today, to be continued. follow us online on facebook and twitter @mitchell

the republican party would be better off. and frankly, america would be better off, we need to functioning political parties. and right now the republican party really isn't functioning. yeah. i see you refer to trump mater complex if he went to the combination not in the he would of course pays himself as an, as of the victim, as he's always done of a witch hunt. and i wonder what the implications of that off of the us legal system during a up a presidential election campaign. if one of the candidates is going to call into question of the legal systems, impartiality? well, you know, mr. trump has broken every norm that we've ever seen since, since he 1st came on the political scene, you know, 8 years ago. and i, there's no question that he will continue to pilot the legal system and, and, and claim that it's unfair. but so far as the legal system is the only thing that has really held up, we have seen judge after judge including conservative judges around the country, be the last ball work and really protecting our democracy

movement, his movement has overtaken the republican party. data and you try to understand the republican base, you see that core republican voters now really share a lot of the main views that are associated with trumpism. two things in particular. one, a belief that the authorities of the federal government, it's ok to use them for political purposes, for partisan purposes, and two, pretty hostile views toward the guardrails of democracy instead of guardrails. a lot of those base voters see them as impediments. i wanted to run past you some recent reporting by the new york times. and they're saying that donald trump plans to increase the power of the presidency to bring some independent federal agencies under presidential control should he win the next election. i was going to ask you about your reaction to that, but it sounds like you wouldn't be surprised. well, not at all. in fact, really, the the new york times reporting from maggie haberman and jonathan swan is outstanding and it's just the tip of the iceberg. my book, blowback, is inte

that those conservatives here are hated by the republican party. and i know that's happening throughout the area and, and i, i can tell you, i mean there's, there is one, at least at least one state representative as of the past 7 days. as of last week, who has literally stated, i don't care what the patriot say about me. this is a republican state representative. and, and so these people i, i hope that they could get in lock step. we'd hope that there could be unity, but you're already involved and acknowledgement that you care about your base that you care about. these thoughts of the earth, a good, the conservative, the people who are saying on the war. another for terry isn't up, terry. and as i'm another this big farm, a dictatorship, another of all of this and those are okay questions i, i know of not looking to blind i, attorney to blind eye to elections where there are questions about what's going on . our elections is there for you. we look into this and, and these are people who have been demonized, who've been months well emptied it. yea

it's not the republican party of w. it's other for the party of reagan.ty of donald j trump. and, i think that is very important for all of us to remember. that though he knows that his polling in iowa is horrible, that's one of the reasons why he skipped that. he also recognizes that his voice still reign supreme. that's why he's leaning in on turning point usa, where we just saw the leader of the set organization, basically attack all black women in power. from ketanji brown jackson to vice president kamala harris, and everyone in between, about how they are unqualified, an educated, and shouldn't get to where they are based on the fact that he simply assumes they are there because of affirmative action. donald trump is leaning into the anti-dei, the anti-culture wars, the wokeism. because he knows that there is a base for. and sadly, that is the current republican party. >> so, as we're having this conversation, and now we have this collision of ideology and policy experts talking about these extreme amendments that have been added to the nba. in congr

tonight we start with a divide inside the republican party.n capitol hill hard right members clash with moderates over a massive defense bill. while on the campaign trail the gop presidential candidates are fighting for a place on the debate stage next month as front-runner donald trump continues to hedge on whether he'll show up. tonight we're getting answers from the woman in charge, rnc chair ronna mcdaniel. let's start with the big subject right now, and that's the republican presidential debates with the first one now just a little bit more than a month away. you have made it clear if you want to be on the debate stage, you want to participate, you've got to sign a pledge to support the eventual nominee, and it's not just donald trump who's giving you trouble on that. take a look. >> it's only the era of donald trump that you need somebody to sign something on a pledge, so i think it's a bad idea. >> i won't be signing any kind of pledges, and i don't think that parties should be trying to rig who should be on a debate stage. >> i don't t

and lo and behold, your begins with a story in the california republican party around 1961 or 62. and there's a long time republic and party activist who is decrying the rise of these crazy john birchers who were ruining the republican party and turning it into a hot mess. so tell us who the john birch society was and and what it seems to be so similar, what was going on in the 1960s, what's happening today? so what are the similarities and what are the different? well, first of all, i want to thank you, joe, for doing this with me. it's wonderful to be here with you. and i want to thank tony and the carter library as well for having me. it's really it's really an honor to be here. so, yes, joe was referring to patricia hitt, who is a loyalist to richard nixon, who was not exactly liberal and hit, was running for a local seat. and this just gives you a flavor of the birch society, a local seat on a republic and party county committee in southern california, and the birchers did not. members of the society did not see her basically as being conservative enough. she wasn't a true bel

this republican party is supposed to be the law and order party. law and order, law and order. re supposed to be -- you know, the republicans used to always rail against the church commission, whale against hippies against the fbi and against the military. they've become these trumpers have become these authoritarians have become everything that they hated. >> what we've seen is trump consolidate power in the republican party. he tried to install loyalists, which is what we saw with the senate races, right? he put his people in. a lot of his people could not get elected. herschel walker. i mean, the very few -- j. d. vance, right, in ohio, in the really red state of ohio managed to get elected. >> dr. oz got elected -- await, i'm sorry. the gubernatorial government we -- didn't work either, did it? >> he's trying to consolidate power and it hasn't worked because trumpism doesn't scale. now we are going to see if he can win back the white house. >> trumpism doesn't scale. that's a perfect way to put it. molly, thank you so much for joining us. greatly appreciated. with jen and ed