if you were a republican all the republicans on this panel are republicans from safe districts, mike pompeo, trey gowdy from south carolina they are almost unchallenged at this point all three of them. and yet when you look at the politics for them it's a no brainer but the party politics, the party brand, there are definitely republicans that are upset, republicans in the hallways yesterday who said to me when i was in washington, this isn't playing out the way it does for a party but they have this committee set up and going to go forward with it. there is a lot of reluctance on the part of the republicans doing this kind of a hearing with such a prominent witness. >> wisconsin democrat paul ryan, you had a chance to speak to him a couple of weeks ago and he told you he didn't want the job of house speaker. what does it say about his view of trying to govern the house now? >> it was late at night, just after speaker boehner said he wasn't going to remain as speaker, going to resign from congress. i was walking downstairs in the basement of the capital and paul ryan was there, i sta

one of those republicans is trey gowdy, ex-prosecutor, tea party darling, the republican chair of themmigration sub-committee. >> mr. chairman, real, sustainable immigration reform has proven elusive to prior congresses, and there's an emerging consensus within this congress that the current system is broken, and enforcing the law strikes me as a reasonable place to begin. >> you could leave that there if you want. there's gonna be a legalization component, and gowdy said for those who arrived as children... i mean, if you listen to them, they're obviously talking about other components of a legalization program. i mean, this is a different place. they're not saying, "this is all we're gonna..." they went from the party of "we're for enforcement only" to "oh, don't worry, we're getting around to the other part." in other words, there's good stuff coming. >> robertson: it's been weeks since the senate passed its bill, but no bill has even been introduced in the house. with the clock ticking, he's looking for any sign that republicans will be open to writing a republican bill he can sup

>> look, that's a question for the republican conference to make. >> you're a member of the republicanconference. >> what i have said -- >> have you called -- why don't you challenge him? why don't you call for him to step down? >> what i have said repeatedly chuck, both publicly and privately -- and when i say publicly and privately, that's the same thing -- we need leaders who will honor the promises that men and women have made to us. >> if you're glad john boehner is leaving, how come you don't call out mitch mcconnell? >> listen, at the end of the day -- >> he is your leader. >> at the end of the day it depends on where the votes are in the conference. mitch has the votes to remain as majority leader. >> i'm going to read you quotes from your fellow republicans. senator lamar alexander said this about you. "in kindergarten you learn to work well together and play by the rules. another thing you learn in kindergarten is to respect one another." senator orrin hatch "squabbling and sanctimony have no place among colleagues in the u.s. senate." john mccain, "i would never contemplate

it's a rejection of not only the republican establishment but the institution itself of the republicanarty. a rejection of the party by the base. they don't have an institution they want to rally around. they have an incoherent ideology and have a lot of frustration. how that filters out is complicated but no real party to pull everyone together. >> robert costa with me now from capitol hill republican congressman from pennsylvania and tom davis. mr. dent thank you for coming on the show. we all grew up with a republican party like in pennsylvania where i grew up and a party that we recognize going back to lincoln, a party of the center right, occasionally of the center. what is the republican party today? how would you describe most members? >> we have a pretty eclectic bunch. i think the fundamental challenge we are facing is this that we have to demonstrate that we have the capacity for governance. tom davis, my friend on the show with me was part of the governing wing of the republican party. what we saw last week with a vote to keep the government open, only 91 house republicans v

i think the republicans are falling apart.asichgot jeb bush, john , not even in the single digits. the people in the lead are people like ben carson and donald trump, who are totally unelectable. i do not see who will be able to run against hillary clinton. she seems to be the only one -- she has, i don't know, the ability to understand. she is presidential. i do not see any of the other republicans that look presidential to me. host: we cut up with donald trump friday at his property in miami. he held a campaign rally friday evening and talked about ben carson. [video clip] going to doe are great and i went. here is the story. such press. seen my wife called and said, how bad is it? they made it sound again is the greatest defeat in history. the bad part is it would not have even been mentioned, it would not be a story. i said to myself, look, i'm going to be nice. i have to talk about it. carson is the one who is leading iowa, supposedly. i said, i have to talk about it. a friend of mine who happens to be a great, great athl

i'm calling as a former republican, and i was a jack kemp republican. grew up in southern california. i was in college in the 1980's. i really believed in supply-side economics. it was a new thing then. it was being very antiestablishment. that if we give tax cuts to wealthy people that it which ago down to the core and it would enhance our economy and all the wonderful things that we 1980's;back in the however, it didn't work. it never did trickle down. i went from being a fiscal conservative to now what i consider being fiscally responsible. there were a lot of people who do need extra help. i guess my question is -- at doespoint -- how far down -- how unequal to incomes have to become before supply side economics people will admit that it didn't work? guest: it did work. ma'am, it did work at the time. if you remember the difference between yourself and the late 1970's and the kind of economic conditions you were in, and the economic conditions even up to 2000, bill clinton did not substantially change what kemp was all about. from 28%,the top rate i

republicans made at the cubs look good.ngg with -- the only that we learned about where clinton was that she had too many e-mails with cindy blumenthal. questions about her judgment had nothing to do with benghazi. basically the secretary of state is in charge of policy. not in charge of security at consulates. during the reagan years, there wasn't a hearing three years later and tens of millions of dollars. if the secretary of state had been leon panetta or john kerry, do you think those hearings would have been held today? al.: clearly you do not, [laughter] let me ask you -- let me play another piece of video for you on a different topic. hillary also had a chance to address the e-mails that have been getting so much political attention, much of it negative in these past months. let's take a listen to her discussion on that. i did not conduct most the business that i did on behalf of our country on e-mail. i conducted it in meetings, i read massive amounts of memos, a great deal of classified information, i made a lot of

is a person who leads republicans. frankly, it's hard to find a single person in the country who you could say, ah, republicans generally tend to like that person. who's in charge. who are they? and even years of republicans struggling with this issue and fighting over this issue and not solving this issue. seven years of this unresolved question so far led this year to something we've never seen before and i thought we would never see again. it led to a picture of the republican party's presidential field this year that looks like a yearbook page from a really, really big high school with a really, really small yearbook budget. got to cram everybody on to the same page. this is two whole brady bunches of candidates. this is not a normal field of candidates for one party's nomination for president. i'm not impugning any of their individual normalcy, i just mean, it is abnormal to have so many people in the running. the republican party is in such a weird place right now that their presidential field this year started o

republican party. we see some of those same arguments now. livingston was going to be one very specific guy. when they turned to denny hastert in obscurity and everybody had it look him up without the benefit of google at the time, when they picked hastert were they picking somebody who had ideological specificity? >> no. but what he did have, the twist there was he was also tom delay's guy. so tom delay was in the leadership back then and wanted to be speaker but there there was a recognition especially in the wake of the bad mid-terms they had and the fact gingrich was forced out as leader. tom delay was too radioactive to be speaker himself. but he had formidable strength within the republican caucus so he championed hastert on his way out the door. gingrich told republicans there's one guy that can unite us. they called him the coach. he'd been a wrestling coach, we now know more about that. but the coach is the guy who can bring us all together. >> that is fascinating because that gets us right ba

then after the second republican debate, it was wisconsin governor scott walker who quit the republican race for president. >> with this in mind, i will suspend my campaign immediately. >> so, so far after each of the republican debates we've had one of the major household name candidates for the republican presidential nomination quit the race. well, now, we're about to have the third debate tomorrow night. and i ask you, i beseech you, is no one else going to quit? apparently not. tomorrow will be the second consecutive republican debate in which former virginia governor jim gilmore has not only not allowed on the is taken, he's not even allowed at the kids' table. the debate's logistics for tomorrow night's debate arguably were tweaked at the request of the ben carson and donald trump campaigns. once that happened, bobby jindal's campaign said if other candidates are demanding changes and getting them, we want a change, too. we want the qualifying criteria to change so bobby jindal will be allowed to sit with the big kids for the first time ever. or maybe we won't show up. as far as

principles we were elected to fight for. >> the republican is republican establishment types call your group "hell no, caucus," say, you are more interested in ideological warfare that governing, if you will let me finish the question, you talk about the obstacles or the tests you will put up for any potential speaker. you are only 40 members of a 247-member republican caucus and at some point, don't you and your members have to bow to the will of the majority of republicans? >> of course we are willing to compromise. but what we need in the house of representatives and what the american people are demanding, what our voters demand, do not forfeit to the white house before the ref blows the whistle. establish our position, come together, compromise, figure out where 247 republicans, what we can agree, and stand for that position, articulate that and have the debate in a compelling way and take the case to the white house, to the united states senate. that is what our voters expect. all too often we say the president is demanding this and we have to give in before the game starts. that

then after the second republican debate, it was wisconsin governor scott walker who quit the republican race for president. >> with this in mind, i will suspend my campaign immediately. >> so, so far after each of the republican debates we've had one of the major household name candidates for the republican presidential nomination quit the race. well, now, we're about to have the third debate tomorrow night. and i ask you, i beseech you, is no one else going to quit? apparently not. tomorrow will be the second consecutive republican debate in which former virginia governor jim gilmore has not only not allowed on the is taken, he's not even allowed at the kids' table. even so, jim gilmore is apparently not quitting the race. in fact this week gilmore called on marco rubio to quit the race. he said marco rubio should quit running for president because he's missed too.votes in the senate. jim gilmore though is apparently himself not quitting. if not jim gilmore, my best guess for who might quit next has been bobby jindal. when cnbc and the republican party announced their qualifying criter

the ratings for the republican congress and the republican party were low.ter that shutdown and republicans had not only a very good leaked night in 2014, they actually reached the highest number of seats they've had in the house of representatives since world war ii. that's the level they're at right now. so there's a lot of negative stuff going on here from a public relations standpoint for the republican party right now. i don't see an obvious or quick way out of this for them. so this is a mess that could play out for a long time. you got to keep the example of that government shutdown in mind. because we all thought when the government was shut down in the fall of 2013 and you look at the poll numbers, my god, there's going to be a price for them to pay at polls next year for this. there was in the end no price they paid for it. >> steve kornacki, stand by. former republican congressman tom davis. he's joining us from capitol hill. he's also the co-author of the book "the partisan divide ", congress in crisis." was your party hijacked today? >> no, look

and yet republicans, 29 republicans vote "no,," $25 "yes." now, for a democratic leader, what a great victory. a democratic leader with just 46 democrats added $500 billion in spending without paying for it? holy cow. i don't recall harry reid ever being able to campaign saying give me a democratic majority, i'll add $500 billion in spending without paying for it. this is an accomplishment. the prior democratic leader harry reid was not able to achieve. and yet the current majority leader got this win for the democrats. let's look at the next example. confirmation of the attorney general, loretta lynch. now, i serve on the judiciary committee. i participated in multiple hearings where miss lynch over and over again refused to acknowledge any limits on president obama's authority whatsoever. when miss lynch was asked how she would differ from eric holder, who's been the most lawless and partisan attorney general this nation has ever seen, she said, no way whatsoever. when pressed repeatedly if she could articulate even a single limit on the au

. >> the republicans.g smile. badge of honor to have the republicans as an enemy. this is a stark and important contrast with the way that our current president talks about republicans. and however you feel about the similarities and differences in the policy positions, this is a really stark signal about a very different approach to government. >> if you look at the republicans versus the democrats whether it comes to economic policy, there is no comparison. >> thank you. >> the economy does better when you have a democrat in the white house and that's why we need to have a democrat in the white house in january 2017. there is such a difference between everything you're hearing here on this stage and what we hear from the republicans who have -- it's always the republicans or their sympathizers who say you can't have paid leave. you can't provide health care. they don't mind having big government to interfere with a woman's right to choose and to try to take down planned parenthood. they're fine with big

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. >>> republicans in a frenzy. welcome to "hardball." >>> good evening, i'm chris matthews in boulder, colorado, the site of tonight's cnbc republican presidential debate. and i will admit, it's hard for me to get my head around the chaos of the republican fight for president right now. are the majority of the republican voters so unhappy with their usual leaders, their governors like bush and christie and kasich, they are determined to pick a defiant outlier like trump, carson, fiorina or cruz, or are they ready to just give up the revolution and fall into line? or, is one candidate cute enough politically, marco rubio, to appeal to both catmps, the establishment and the renegades? more immediately, are those on the hard right attracted more to a canned the da, donald trump, who knows something about the economy or one who seems more in league with their religious values, dr. ben carson? well, these are fairly basic questions for a party to be considering this late in the game. selection of 2016 is one that really

to a republican? in to that chaos this week steps hillary clinton as the star witness at the benghazi committee's public hearing on thursday. her appearance there has been heralded now by a total of three republicans including majority leader kevin mccarthy saying that the benghazi committee's objective has been to harm hillary clinton's presidential campaign. republican congressman mo brooks raised the ante on clinton hysteria in the house of representatives by saying this. >> it's not about e-mails. it's about national security and how many lives she put at risk by violating all rules of law that are designed to protect america's top secret and classified information from malling into the hands of our geopolitical foes who then might use that information to result in the deaths of americans. >> let's talk about that. >> it's national security issue. in my judgment, with respect to hillary clinton, she will be in a you meek president if elected by the public next november because the day she's sworn

republicans are for smaller government, lower taxes, if you have a job, you want a republican. >> what? >> well, i love arguing with eric, i'm not going to argue at this moment because i'll say, i have a son. >> they're both republicans, aren't they? >> yes. but the one that works for the republicans, intriguing conversation. he says he's a republican because -- you know what, he believes in opportunity, self-reliance. he's the kind gif that believes in small government getting out of his way. and letting him do it. and and he's this, this is, he's a family values guy, that's why he's a republican. if you're a young person, think that's a good rap. >> i think you should listen to your son. >> free market, opportunity, self-reliance. >> you know me, i'm a party guy. >> he just wants some free stuff, that's what juan wants. >> then you run into republicans who are like militaristic, let's go in, everybody's got the kill the immigrants. >> that's the republicans, kill the immigrants. >> that's what the true feeling is. >> he is just hungry. >> i thought he was hung over. >> if you care ab

we need to have those debates within the republican party. we do stand firm certain humanistic principles. what i read about in "the conservative heart," it is important to remember that the why must be pro-people and not against things. it is important that republicans do have a debate on immigration, but to say that we are coming down on one side of things would rule out the dissent going on now, and would make more bad blood, i think it is unproductive. it is not productive because some leader could not win a debate, but rather it feeds into this narrative that we have right now that republicans cannot get their act together, they cannot decide if they are more racist or more greedy. it is completely unhelpful. what we need to have is a respectful airing of different points of view on that, where what we agree on is the moral consensus that we are fighting for people, instead of against things. mr. hohmann: to that point, almost one year ago, republicans won the majority in the senate and expanded their majority in the house. it feels like

i think it is never a good look from republicans when republican men are interrupting democratic women. i don't like that look of hers. it's not perfect by any means. that is not a good look for her or you. but i have to say, she was interrupted constantly. that interrupting, being lectured to and condescended to doesn't help republicans either in the context of this hearing or the broader politics of gender. mark: she clearly came to say her piece, strong, confident, appealing to people's concerns over the families of the four americans who lost their lives. she did not lose her cool. she stood up to them when she needed to. just like with the debate, she was totally prepared. she knew what she wanted to do. there was nothing that came up that she was not prepared for. on the issue of her relationship with sidney blumenthal, which is still a mystery, why the white house and secretary clinton, when they thought it was a terrorist attack, continued publicly to say it may have been based on the video. on those substantive issues, she handled herself okay. she did not create a bad moment,

alabama republicans are crying uncle.ould please like some way out of the national embarrassment they created for themselves last month when republican governor robert bentley announced he was closing a lot of places where you get a driver's license. losing your local dmv would be inconvenient in any case but what made this potentially a federal case is that last year, alabama started requiring people to show new forms of id at the polls they never had to show before if you wanted to be allowed to vote. and a valid driver's license is at the top of the list forcepsable alabama i.d.s. driver's license the most common way people are allowed to vote now in alabama. it had heavy and disturbing voting rights implications when the alabama governor decided last month he was going to close the places where you get that kind of i.d. in the alabama counties that have the highest proportion of voter who are african-american. republicans shut down the place with your get a driver's license in every single alabama county where at leas

the house republicans, this minority within the republican majority, they don't want any dealings with this white house at owl or agreement or want washington to do anything. they want washington to get out of everybody's business and stop trying to fix problems. for the second time in less than three weeks they've had a victory. >> david shuster, tanned by please. we'll be right back right after this. but it's real. and we show you like no-one else can. this is our american story. this is america tonight. >>> bag to the local news of the day. kevin mccarthy takes his name out of the running to be the new house speaker. that comes as a huge surprise for house republicans as they gather to vote on the next speaker. the current house speaker, john boehn boehner, has postponed that election. representative jason chaffetz of utah and daniel webster of florida are running for the position also. we go to michael standing by on capitol hill. earlier you were interviewing a member of the republican caucus, and he seemed to suggest there was a possibility that mccarthy might change his mind and

the republican party.is a matter of, you know, making things work. >> biden made similar statements at an event on climate change yesterday. hillary clinton, of course, cited republicans as some of the enemies she is most proud of having during the democratic debate last week, a debate after which she saw her support grow, against the competition, which of course begs the question. are republican enemies a better way to win over democratic primary voters? i'm joined now by a bernie sanders' supporter. congressman from arizona and president of the senator for american progress, and an informal adviser to the clinton campaign. this is twice now in two days that joe biden has gone out of his way with this line, i don't think of republicans as my enemy, coming a week after hillary clinton bragged about having republicans as her enemy. he also said that in the obama administration, we've had two great secretaries of state, but when i go overseas, i'm speaking for the president. he's taking some shots at your ca

house republicans behind closed doors.house gop which is the official twitter feed for house republicans. just about two minutes ago. this would have been a meeting about roughly 45-minutes. paul ryan is the next speaker of the house. the choice of republicans. what happens here is this is not technically unofficial. tomorrow, the full-blown, republicans and democrats, they come before the house floor tomorrow, though official vote tomorrow, both sides there. the question is, as we have been following, could paul ryan get to 218 votes. we still do not know the exact number that paul ryan got inside that meeting this afternoon. do not know if we will find that out this afternoon or when. tomorrow, paul ryan could be the next speaker of the house. i should also mention that john boehner, his last day will be friday. trish: wow. i wonder if he is breathing a sigh of relief as he gets out with a lot of interesting budget issues. okay. going over to chris. gary smith. paul ryan is the guy. will he be able to bring republicans t

from working class republicans.nd they haven't gotten much back for it. now trump may not give them much back for it either, but he is appealing to their anger and their unhappiness. eni think the other problem republicans have in taking trump down is that party is now very much an anti-immigrant party. 63% of republicans think immigrants are a burden on the country as opposed to strengthening it. that's true of only 32% of democrats, 36% of independents. so his anti-immigration argument has a real base inside the .republican party and that's one of the reasons why he's been holding up. >> the republican frontd runner is polling down below where the democrat second place candidate polls. hillary clinton is now at 58%. that's front-runner stuff. the republican front-runner is down at 28, 25 in these polls. and peter hart's focus group of republicans in indiana said this about donald trump -- they said i like what he says but now how he said it. 10 out of these 12 republicans said donald trump would divide the country

republicans put too much faith in the emails to new york her out. what else came out is sanders being a socialist and hillary defending being an capitalist. all the nonsense in congress, they better understand she's formable. >> john, is it useful to watch it an event like last night's if you are running in the republican primaries now? >> absolutely. john is a hundred percent right, what the republicans candidates you in hillary clinton is a candidate that had the worst summer, but in the last two weeks a lot of success, between mc carthy's comments and strong debate. what happened last night was the reality two things they are scared to death of, the first is donald trump and the second is new hillary clinton. >> was the winner last night the democratic party? >> i think that the democratic party won. we can attribute the win to o'malley in the closing. no derogatory remarks about women, not finding a pathway to citizenship and you about the issues that the every day people care about, not the damn emails, that speaks volumes. there is nothing lik

he is the republican speaker of the house. do you assess his legacy because so many other , republicans have been so critical and ungracious since he left. you worked closely with him. what is his legacy and what kind of the speaker was he? congresswoman rodgers: i had the opportunity to work closely with speaker boehner, and through the years i really believe that he was the right man at the right time to be leading us. it did not mean that every member agreed with every decision. and there was a lot of people suggesting that speaker boehner should have made different decisions, could have gotten something done, more than what he did. what i saw in speaker boehner was someone that was trustworthy. i think day in and day out, that is why he remained speaker as long as he did. the members really did trust him when they told him something. they knew that he was not playing games. and the second part was that he made decisions based upon what he thought was good and right for america at the end of the day. and for me, i may not a

with a disaffected republican electorate. his nomination now becomes something that everybody has to say is possible. >> i think the longer that donald trump continues to remain on top, be more of a viable candidate he seems to be. >> joining us now, matt lewis, senior contributor at the daily caller and a columnist for the week. and columnist for "the daily beast." >> are you willing to admit you were wrong, you underestimated trump and seek mercy in the court of public opinion? >> yes, i was wrong. >> we can stop there. >> i was wrong. >> okay. >> i think we're, you know, people make wild predictions, but i think responsible commentators base it on history and experience. and any other cycle, donald trump would have been a joke. but i think what we're experiencing right now is that we underestimated how frustrated and desperate republican voters are right now and trump is a vessel for that frustration, and he's strong and that's what they're looking for. >> kelly, why do you think so many journalists and commentary simply r

remember, republicans control the house and the senate. 70% of republicans, republicans, when you add, say the republican congress gets some of the blame for the dysfunction and the gridlock in washington, and when you ask them well, what should they do about it 56% say compromise, a bit at least, to get some things done but 40%, just shy of that say stick to your positions. that's why you see john kasich say fantasy land. need to compromise to get things done and ted cruz saying no ray and rand paul saying i'll filibuster the budget deal. one other way to look at this, this is the poll that david axelrod mentioned a bit earlier. if you're jeb bush you're in trouble. this question from the cnbc/"new york times" poll was not who do you support today? it's if any of these people carson, rubio, fiorina, trump, cruz or bush, if they are the republican nominee what would you think? only 18% of republicans say they would enthusiastically support jeb bush. 25% say they would not support him, even if he's republican nominee. may think differently if he's on the ballot against hillary clinton

lou: this is a defining moment for the republican party, not just the defining moment for the republicans in congress. congressman mark meadows. >> well said. lou: and again, mark meadows and the man who started this all way back in july. thanks for being with us. >>> be sure to vote in tonight's poll, the question is -- cast your vote at loudobbs.com. >>> breaking news, the uc davis medical center has updated just moments ago the status of airman spencer stone, the french train attack hero who helped subdue a terrorist on that train. stone tonight is in serious condition after being operated on, treating three stab wounds to his abdomen. the hospital says it anticipates stone will make a full recovery. the video you're watching is surveillance video of stone being attacked by this group who stabbed him a number of times. >>> and turning now to the world's worst traffic jam. people returning home after a holiday weekend in china, look at this. an estimated, we counted as best we could, 50 lanes of traffic. a drone overhead recorded the scene, thousands of these cars in beijing creeping fo

that has been the republican message for years. today at last there's proof, your message has sunk in. the base does not trust your establishment and the political train just jumped the tracks. the man who would be speaker of the house, the majority leader and a lieutenant of the outgoing speaker john boehner, just changed his mind. is not running. made the announce independent conference this morning. >> don't think people realize what he said. he was asked to repeat it. >> all members of the conference were shocked. >> absolutely stunned. >> didn't see that coming, and now historic disarray. the republicans canceling the vote for a new speaker, the freedom caucus wants one of their own. can they hijack the process and if so can our government function at all? and the mesh hero -- then hero who tend stop a terror attack in france, attack on the streets here at home. now he wear what happened. and minutes ago, new video of the attack, let's get to it. >> who woulda thunk it. this is about much more than politics. it's much bigger t

paul ryan is liked by 225 republicans. get with the program, guys. >> how do you know we're not on the program? i mean, you're doing -- >> if he wins a conference, will you support his agenda? >> we have a constitution as a country. i have five policy questions. >> will you support him? >> it's not that easy. if he goes with that, we'll give him a strong look. >> you're holding the caucus hostage. >> the answer is yes, i will support paul ryan. but paul ryan is also a very smart man. the underlying governing and political dynamic of the house has not changed. paul ryan, if he becomes speaker, i hope he does, what will happen is he'll have to make accommodations and collaborate with the democrats to pass a debt ceiling, pass a budge ut t agreement and om any mus appropriations deal. if he does those things, he'll have his legs taken out by some of his own members. if we go with the status quo, the house will continue to be mired in this paralysis and the speaker would be weaker. he'll have the same problems john boehner had

i'm calling as a former republican and i was a jack kemp republican. i grew up in southern california. i was in college in the 1980s, i believed in supply-side economics. it was a new thing then, it was antiestablishment as a republican. i believe that if we gave tax cuts to wealthy people he would trickle down to the poor i didn't win and enhance our economy and bring jobs and all the wonderful things that we believed back in the 80s. however, it didn't work. the trickle-down economics did not work, he never did trickle down. i went to be in the a fiscal conservative to be what i consider fiscal responsible. i realize there are a lot of people who do need a little extra help. my question is, at what point how far down does the economy have to go? how unequal do incomes have to become before supply-side economics people will admit that it didn't work? >> it did work at the time. if you remember the difference between yourself in the late 1970s and the economic condition you're in and the economic condition even into, up to 2000. bill clinton did not su

there are only 42 house republicans in that freedom caucus, including republicans who voted against the debt ceiling agreement with john boehner and eric cantor, the one they brokered in 2011. that endangered the full faith and credit of the united states. that group includes people who voted against the 2012 fiscal cliff agreement that halted a tax increase on middle class americans and includes people who opposed reopening the government at all after ted cruz's shut down in 2013. that is why some republicans began warning today about who exactly they're dealing with. >> whoever is going to be the next speaker should not appease this group of rejectionists who have no interest in governing. they can simply not get to yes. the perfect will always be the enemy of the good to them. >> that governing, specifically, will mean raising the debt ceiling by a deadline of november 5 and funding the federal government again by december 10. let's right to it. we have eugene robinson from "the washington post" and an msnbc analyst, an expert and resident at aei and the co-author of "it's even worse

and they're both republicans. >> in an interview with nbc's peter alexander republican congressman mike pompeo defended his committee's work in the wake of congressman hanna's comments. >> was this investigation designed to go after hillary clinton? >> that's absurd. it's false on its face. we haven't had an ambassador murdered since 1979. he was killed on her watch. and we have been fighting to get documents from her for an awfully long time. we discovered that there was this secret server that had materials related to libya and benghazi. no committee has had a chance to see that before. >> does she have the qualifications to be president? >> we have the obligation next thursday to ask her questions. >> you know, senator, this is what's weird about the two parties now. the democratic party used to be a big city party, would get rough with its politics. when we lost 3,000 people on 9/11, your party didn't spend 15 years for blaming george bush for leaving the door open or condoleezza rice. people know things happen. surprises do occur. not everybody is guilty when something goes wrong.