so that there is not very republican places. less ideological republican. even though the people who live there don't even no any republicans. the thing about it, the delegate selection process does on the republican side tends to put -- does give non- republican performing districts a boatload of delegates, and it is some pretty impressive numbers. >> in particular the nominee be so disliked that it would drive them to the other party rather than being attracted to the other party. >> that's a very good peemack. to me, independence is independence is the best number look at, but i also look at self-described moderates as well. let me make sure i am looking at the exit poll, the right tab. independent. that's the vertical. i'm looking for the horizontal tab. romney won the independent vote by a five-point margin in 2012. romney won the independent vote by five percentage points, but among self-described moderates obama wanted by 15-point margin. and so i kind of look at both of those groups, independent and moderate. and so is there -- obama one without win

a republican governor will take office in kentucky after a come from behind victory.ey poured into virginia to help flip the state senate in favor of democratic governor terry mcaw mcauliffe and the democrats couldn't pull it ooff. transgender rights the same in houston. someone piped up to suggest that maybe the people who were predicting a very bad year for republicans in 2016 could be wrong. that there are plenty of strengths to build on, that the gop brings considerable strengths to the game even when demographics seem not to be working in its favor. for a look-back at tuesday's results we'll begin with al jazeera's david schuster. >> for just the second time in 40 years, kentucky will have a republican governor. >> what an extraordinary night this is! >> reporter: tea party favorite and political outsider matt devin defeated conway. >> tonight is not a result we expected but one we respect. a couple of minutes ago i placed a call to governor elect bevin and wished him well. >> befn lost to republican senator mcilroy last year in a gop primary race but expectation

and then literate -- liberal moderate republicans who kept the republicans from going into a ditch ond side, they are pretty much gone as well. and it reflects what has happened in the primaries. simply, democrat primaries are a lot more liberal than they used to. the republican primaries are a lot more conservative. the centers of gravity in each party have moved to the extreme. members that don't reflect that have sort of been purged out of in primaries. and then we have a media environment that is sort of reinforcing all of that. whether it is fox and talk radio and the internet on the right, or the prime time shows on msnbc and a little bit of talk radio and a lot of internet on the left, it is just intensifying this ideology to a point that just simply wasn't there 5, 10 years ago. but there is another dimension. it used to be more when you disagreed with someone you just had different views. increasingly now, anybody you disagree with, they must be evil or corrupt or stupid. they can't just be wrong. there is something more than that that is taking place. it has taken on a real

are holding republican seats. democrats are holding democrat seats. what does this election look like? on the surface again, just big numbers are, there are 20 four republicans up for election while only 10 democrats or seats of that party. just looking ahead, if you look to the 2018, class in the opposite direction with only eight republicans. 23, if you count independents who caulk with us with the democrats, 25 democrats. you can imagine the fundamentals are very different in these types of elections. one thing i think that is different about this election coming up is that there is one seat that looks like those very red seats that republicans won last time for the democrats and that is in illinois. a state that democrats should win, will win at presidential election, i will put money on it. mark kirk is in very difficult atmosphere because of character of the state. the other opportunities for democrats are swing states. some of them democratic leaning swing states, some they have chances. the list is relativ

that republican party.n there's this other republican party that's more of an outsider wing. and that outsider wing, and actually interesting ronald reagan would've an outsider and 76 but by 80 he was a member, establishment had embraced him by been. but then you had the other. this other outsider of the wing sort of unorthodox wing of the party, it's an album of four different groups. you've got tea party, you've got the faith-based conservatives, social, cultural -- then you have libertarians and then you've got people that are just really, really, really, really, really -- that's five really, conservative. that's this exotic group over here. i would argue that what's happening in some of the weird things happening on the conventional side are totally different from the weird things that happened on the more exotic site. on a more conventional side i think what we see come if someone had told us two years ago jeb bush is absolutely positively going to run for president, what would most of us have assumed?

they concede family values to the republicans. i'll challenge republicans on family values. poverty is not a family value. hunger is not a family value. lack of health insurance is not a family value. democrats have to go after these people. kim davis says, well, i'm doing what the bible says. no, you're not. you're doing what the old testament says. jesus said in the new testament 40 times, if you believe, you're in. but the problem, i think, alex, is democrats aren't making the argument. conceding the arguments to republicans, particularly in rural areas in the south instead of taking the argument to them. when they're playing under that turf, the republican turf of letting republicans define the issues, that's what happens. so i don't disagree with anything that e.j. said here, but i think a fundamental problem for the democrats is much deeper. they've got to start reminding the american public what their programs have metropolitan. when kids in kentucky are hungry, we're going to feed them. the governor-elect wants to give up health care for 100,000 kids, with eoar not g

basically, you should be a republican to be asking questions at a republican debate.it, strike me as -- the primary process is different than the general election. the general election, we think of a debate, we think all americans ideally participate, all americans should be as informed as possible. so there's an interesting there to have some sort of neutral down the middle people asking fair questions. but in a primary, it is about a party deciding amongst itself who to put up as a candidate. so is there some logic there to what ted cruz is saying. hey, this is our part, it's our event, let's have our people asking the questions? >> that's a perfectly reasonable position for them to take. it's also a stupid position for them to take. the reason it's stupid, in terms of their own interests. in the past, they would get maybe 5 million people watching these debates. about the ratings of fox. so if he has sean hannity as a moderator, which is what ted cruz wants, he'll go from the 20 million plus that they've had for some of these recent debates, back down to 5 million.

admittedly, republican states. work if you get your voters out and the democrats do not get theirs out as they have been having increasingly difficulty in doing. 2012 numbers. down from 08.as reverse those numbers, and the republicans win. that would be my defense of the cruise argument. john fortier: i want to take on the second question about top rump and whether he will fade. most people look at trump would have thought, a number of the things he has said would call use him to implode. andcarson halves not figured out, and i think a lot of that support starts to fall away. i would not be shocked if donald trump would implode, but he does have a record greater love people do not like him but he has a lot of people who like and after being known at having these gas. that is likely to stick around at some level for a while rate -- for a while. >> just quickly on the trump thing. trump draws very much like blue-collar protest candidates do in europe. which is to say he has gets lots of people in high education backg

admittedly, republican states. work if you get your voters out and the democrats do not get theirs out as they have been having increasingly difficulty in doing. 2012 numbers. down from 08.as reverse those numbers, and the republicans win. that would be my defense of the cruise argument. john fortier: i want to take on the second question about top rump and whether he will fade. most people look at trump would have thought, a number of the things he has said would call use him to implode. andcarson halves not figured out, and i think a lot of that support starts to fall away. i would not be shocked if donald trump would implode, but he does have a record greater love people do not like him but he has a lot of people who like and after being known at having these gas. that is likely to stick around at some level for a while rate -- for a while. >> just quickly on the trump thing. trump draws very much like blue-collar protest candidates do in europe. which is to say he has gets lots of people in high education backg

good government republicans. they just wanted to work -- the welfare state to work better. you have another group, establishment republicans, who if you sat 'em down and maybe got a couple of drinks in 'em, they would say, look, ed, i agree the current system isn't working. i wish -- if we were starting all over again, i would like to do something fundamentally different, but we can't do that. we just have to make the best of a bad situation. and to those establishment republicans, i say one of the reasons it remains a bad situation is because you won't stand up and say we've got to change it because it's going to end up very bad in the long term. so libertarians can go to these, what do you call -- establishment republicans and say, folks, don't you see that we have a commonality here? why don't we work together to see if we can come up with some ideas that are going to move us away from a welfare state, empowering people. i know it's a buzz word. what does it really mean? be it does mean things like school choi

. >> rumblings are growing inside of the republican party establish many. but it's time to oppose donald trump head on. but gaffs and embarrassments and public statements normally considered beyond the pale for major party candidates don't pull the real estate developer and political racky down. they only seem to make him stronger. is trump hasn't been a flash in the pan or a speed-dated and then discarded political fling. he has been run in the polls for month. gop versus the apprentice. it's the "inside story." welcome to "inside story," i'm ray suarez. earlier this year, republican guests joining us in this it studio said both on the air and off, don't worry about donald trump. some went so far as to say he would be out of the race before the first caucus goers headed out into the iowa snow next february. who is out instead? the once highly touted scott walker, the sitting governor of louisiana, and the former governor of florida, brother and son of presidents labors in trump's shadow, struggling to stay out of single digits. the leading governor of the

and that will be whoever the republican nominee is. matt: -- republican nominee is. is interesting, because whether people want to vote in the democratic or the republican primary, there is a sense that the democratic primary would not be that interesting. the democratic primary is still kind of interesting, bernie -- are you hearing anything or sensing anything about where the independent are?s who they may benefit? is jeb bush a benefactor? jennifer horn: you know, that is a great question. a part of that goes back to the original question that you asked me about the value of the primary. the fact that independence do participate in the primary. that is something that new hampshire offers because it gives a broader sense of how a general election audience may perceive these candidates area did you know, i cannot call it cannot call it now. but what i am hearing on the ground is that there is very little inspiration coming out of the left and went we are seeing is great turnout from independence at a number of our republican events. town halls for all of the differe

republicans had 24 -- these are the seats that were up in the 2010 republican wave election. republicans have 24 seats up. democrats only have 10. but more importantly, republicans have seven seats that are up in states that obamacare -- there are zero -- excuse me, zero democratic seats up in romney states. now, one of those republican states, one of those republican seats is in an obama state is chuck grassley and he's not going to lose. basically you got six republican seats that are in real, real, real danger here. and conversely, you only have one on the democratic side. that's in nevada. now, if you ask each side, well, what's one more? and republicans would love to talk about colorado, but that doesn't look that promising against michael bennet. democrats would like to say richard burr and north carolina. it's really six and one. you look at mark kirk in illinois, good guy. but if he got re-elected it would be an enormous upset. frankly, i think ron johnson in wisconsin would be something of an upset. then you look at some republicans, it wouldn't be in those that have

republicans wanting to can the v.a.f you want a partisan divide in politics now, here's one. >> i will fight as long and hard as it takes to prevent republicans from privatizing it as part of a misguided ideological crusade. [ applause ] we have seen how they try to seize on anything they can do to advance this goal of theirs which will throw our vets into the private insurance market. i believele in giving that's more choice in when and how you receive care. i think there should be more partnerships between the v.a. and private hospital s hospital community health care providers. we cannot and i will not put the veterans at the mercy of insurance companies without care coordination or leave them to fend for themselves with health care providers who have no expertise in the unique challenges facing our veterans. our young veterans, aging veterans, everybody has specific issues we have to get the v.a. better equipped to address. [ applause ] private station is a betrayal, plain and simple. i'm not going to let it happen.

that becomes obviously among other thing a republican talking point, big question in the republican race. right now i think that donald trump has expressed it best, expressed to you best couple of weeks ago, the feeling that part of many americans when he said that what are we going to do, have world war iii over syria. that's where it is right now it's staying in that spot. president obama understands that as well. but again if thing change f. isis takes another huge city in iraq or syria then we're also in another world. >> dickerson: let me switch to the question of paul ryan, peggy. you saw the interview, he's out now as the face of the republican party, one of them until there's nominee. what do you make of him as the face of the republican party? >> well, i'll tell you, one of the things to be said about him i think is that it's nice to see quality rise. everybody, republicans and democrats in this town agrees, this is a serious man who knows. an earnest politics not a sleaze ball or slob, that's good news. another thing that is unseen part of his talent the moment i think is that

each election, the republican party has nominated a scepter right establishment republican at the endy've lost the popular vote 5 out of the last 6 elections. you hear conservatives like ted cruz say we need a real conservative. >> right. that's what reagan used to say. >> maybe you guys have to run the experiment. >> how do you define what a real conservative is? >> i think the frustration that the republican primary voters have they are saying supporting donald trump and ben carson, we don't want more of the same. we want someone who will stand up and be a strong conservative against these liberal policies. you see that's where the voters are going. there's no appetite for a moderate -- >> we will continue when we come back. to take care of my heart.s that's why i take meta. meta is clinically proven to help lower cholesterol. try meta today. and for a tasty heart healthy snack, try a meta health bar. there's a network that never stops improving. ...that's grown faster than any other, covering nearly every american. and these geese. but it's not who you think. it's t-mobile. our new

and betsey, you cover this election and cover republicans and republican voters.cover my thesis that the weaker hillary clinton seems, the more appeal to people like carson and trump, and the stronger she's seen, the stronger she is to people like chris christie and jeb bush. >> and in the undercard debate, he said hillary clinton was a gift-wrapped present to republicans and specifically stated that primary voters should pick the candidate they think is the most conservative, because any old guy can beat clinton because she's so damaged. bobby jindal said that. so now that establishment republicans are shifting and saying, no, we need to take her seriously, that it kas they think presenting her as a presentable candidate will help that. the flip side of this, for jeb bush, chris christie, and john kasich, hillary is really, strategicingly, a good person for them to go after, because they can't really go after candidates on stage who are all going to be right of the them. it puts them in an awkward place. >> and i remember the psychology of democrats back in 2004,

you are a republican running for congress. does donald trump's plan of a deportation force to do this humanely, physically removing some 11 million people, is that logistically feasible? >> it's logistically very difficult. where we should start and the focus should be is on the criminal element, the small minority of these illegals that are committing very serious crimes that have not been deported. that's where a lot of the anger is coming from. we should focus on that, target the tens of thousands, not the 12 to 20 million illegals who are here but focus on these folks and deport them legitimately out of our country. i'm angry about that as well. they are releasing and not just from mexico but countries of interest. we had right here in arizona, one from sudan, one from iraq, and one from russia. and this russian murderer they released into my county and tell me two weeks after. that's the problem here. the entire system is broken for immigration. there is no consequence and therefore there is no law. >> so, andy, i mean, y

that republican party. and then there's this other republican party that's more of an outsider wing. and that outsider wing and actually interesting, rofpbled reagan would have been outsider in 1976 but by 1980 he was a member of the establishment had embraced him by then. but then you have this other. now this other outsider, other wing of -- sort of unorthodox wing of the party is actually an amal gam of four different groups. tea party, you've got the faith based conservatives, social, cultural, evangelical christians over there. then you've got libertarians then people that are just really, really, really, five reallies, conservative. so that's the exotibbling group over here. -- exotic group over here. i would argue what's happening and weird things happening on the conventional side are totally different from the things happening on the more exotic side. on the more conventional side i think what we see, if someone told us two years ago jeb bush is absolutely positively going to run for president, wha

i'm calling as a former republican, and i was a jack kemp republican. i grew up in southern california. i was in college in the 1980's. i really believed in supply-side economics. it was a new thing then. it was being very antiestablishment. that if we give tax cuts to wealthy people that it which ago down to the core and it would enhance our economy and all the wonderful things that we 1980's;back in the however, it didn't work. it never did trickle down. i went from being a fiscal conservative to now what i consider being fiscally responsible. there were a lot of people who do need extra help. i guess my question is -- at doespoint -- how far down -- how unequal to incomes have to become before supply side economics people will admit that it didn't work? guest: it did work. ma'am, it did work at the time. if you remember the difference between yourself and the late 1970's and the kind of economic conditions you were in, and the economic conditions even up to 2000, bill clinton did not substantially change what kemp was all about. from 28%,the top rate

each election, the republican party has nominated a center right, kind of establishment, republican athe end of the day, and they've lost the popular vote five out of the last six elections and lost the last couple of elections. you hear conservatives say we need a real conservative. >> like reagan. he was right. >> and maybe you guys have to run the experiment. >> how do you define what a real conservative is in. >> you think it's going to happen? >> look at the frustration the republican primary voters have, they are saying, you know, even now in the process in supporting donald trump and carson, we don't want more of the same. we don't like what happened the last two elections. we want a strong conservative against liberal policies. there's no appetite for a moderate republican. >> we need a quick break. we'll continue when we come back. this is claira. to prove to you that aleve is the better choice for her she's agreed to give it up. that's today? we'll be with her all day to see how it goes. after the deliveries, i was ok. now the ciabatta is done and the pain is starting again.

what should republicans do about it? >> the reason we keep losing nationally is we keep trying to be cheaper versions of the democratic party. [ applause ] >> what if republicans embraced our own principles so i earlier said if you want bigger paychecks, more jobs, less government dependence, you're going to have to cut government spending. here's the dirty little secret. you're going to hear a lot of republicans tonight talk about cutting government spending. it's going to sound great. only one of us that's cut government spending. not two. there's one. you're looking at him. we've got four senators running, they have never cut anything in d.c. they give the long speeches called filibusters, pat themselves on the back, when they go to relief themselves the cause in the toilets get flushed at the same time and the american people lose. we have seven current and former governors running, i'm the only one who cut government spending, if they haven't done it in the state capitals, what makes us think they'll do it if they a

republicans controlled them in 30.e were 26 democratic governors and 24 republican governors. going into tonight, there were just 18 democrats and the number of republican governors had grown to 31, including four in states where democrats controlled both houses of the state legislature -- maryland, new jersey, massachusetts, and illinois. joining us now is the executive editor of vox, and stewart stooefbs, columnist for "the daily beast" and a strategist for mitt romney's presidential campaign. nbc universal has made an investment in vox. david corn, of course, is still with us. >> no investment. >> just wait. the results coming out of kentucky tonight, we were talking with someone from the louisville courier in the last segment, and he said the election in kentucky has more to do with social and cultural issues, including kim davis, than it is a referendum on the aca, on obama care. but the implications for those kentuckyians who have gotten access to health care, under kentucky's exchange or through the expansion of

marco rubio rises in republican race. house elects the any speaker, paul rya we'll talk to them both. after senator rubio's strong performance in last week's debate, how does he fight his way to the top in a pack still dominated by outsiders. >> i just don't believe anyone else running who has better understanding of the issues before us now than i do. >> and as wisconsin congress han paul ryan takes the gavel as speaker of the house, he says he'll run things differently. >> have been timid too long. we have to offer. >> dickerson: will he break gridlock on capitol hill? also talk to the number two democrat in the house, steny hoyer. and get the latest on the russian plane that crashed in egypt and killed 224. plus, we'll have roundtable to analyze all the news it's all ahead on "face the nation." good morning, welcome to "face the nation" i'm john dickerson. we've got lot of political news to get to but we start with an update on what caused a russian airliner bound for st. petersburg from egypt carrying more than 200 pa

we have juan hernandez, one of the founders of the hispanic republicans group who helps republicans run for office. he is a longtime political advisor to many folks, including senator mccain and the presidential candidates in latin america. thank you for being here. next is senator rodney ellis who dubbed himself the honorary latino on this panel. he was elected in 1990 and serves in the transportation committee. before that, he served several terms and city council. next to him is representative jason. he is a republican from dallas where he was first elected in 2012. he served on the business and industry of economic small business development committees in the house. next to him is a state representative. israel was elected in 2014. she is had about four elections since then. she won the special election in her district. she has a long history with texas politics. she worked with former governor ann richards. she is on the elections committee. last but not least, we have the secretary of state. he is the current secretary of state. he was one of governor abbott's first selections whe

especially in the republican side.here has been so much sopticism and islamophobia , much bashing of islam and attacks on muslims from a lot of conservative politicians. these are a large number of republicans who acknowledge a problem in the string of islam, but not inherent to the religion. that is encouraging. finally we have the fifth question. we asked americans how confident they are that the u.s. has done enough to protect the homeland. saythe survey says -- 40% we have done enough, 46% say that country has not done enough. looking at the partisan split, we're back to the traditional polarity. 63% of republicans are not confident, they think barack obama has not done enough. 62% of democrats are mostly confident a mirror image of the , polling. an expected outcome on this question. mark: it's probably based that a lot of republicans don't like barack obama. we asked jeb bush, is the homeland safe? he said yes, but it can be safer. that will be the view of a lot of republicans. this is where isis meets the questi

both south carolina senators are republicans. south carolina sent seven lawmakers to congress and six of the seven are republicans. so barack obama never really had a chance of winning south carolina in the general election either time. even after beating hillary clinton in the south carolina primary in 2008 by nearly 30 points, in the general election he lost here in 2008. and in 2012, first to john mccain and then to mitt romney. south carolina went red again. but if you want to see where in the south barack obama won not just the primary but the presidency, you only have to drive a half hour away from here when the traffic's good. you only have to drive a half hour away to swing state north carolina. democrats controlled the state house of north carolina as recently as 2010. north carolina had a democratic governor as recently as 2012. they had a democratic senator until just this last year. and one of the times barack obama has run for president he won north carolina. so being here, it makes for kind of a high-stakes science

second, the republicans have to embrace science.re's no question, none, that co2 is a greenhouse gas that will warm the atmosphere. that doesn't mean we have to accept barack obama or hillary clinton's big strategy of raising government power, government control over energy and manufacturing in this country. what i said at that debate and what i deeply believe is republicans should embrace innovation, american invention, we are the only country in the world that today has fewer greenhouse gas emissions than in 1995. it's not because of the big government programs, but because of the private industry innovation, fracking has allowed us to change interest coal to natural gas-powered plants. embrace science. embrace innovation. we're americans. we can look at the 21st century with confidence and optimism. >> thank you for joining us, and see you on the campaign trail and we'll see you on the 10th of november. >> thank you, john. >>> jeb bush says his campaign is not on life support. our sunday panel weighs in and the former front runne

only republicans should moderate republican debates.face, so every reporter is supposed to show their voter registration? i think most reporters are not affiliated with a political campaign or a -- >> well i found it so interesting. i think reince was correct in sending the letter to nbc. that debate was over the top. but there again you look at it dana and people just want answers to questions. they want to see how these candidates react with one another. they want to see how they respond under pressure. i think that they just need to realize the media is not going to be with them. they need to go over the top, talk directly to the american people, reconstruct their answers, and just kind of get over it and move on. >> you're shaking your head. >> the media is not with anybody. the fact is -- >> oh -- >> come on. >> the media -- >> the media is neutral. >> no. >> and i think that it's the conservative tactic to accuse the media of being liberal in hopes that they will overcompensate and be conservative. >> oh, that's hard -- >> hold on

it worked for me. >> does the republican establishment, a, does the republican establishment exist?s it fair for me to assign that value to a group of people that i imagine in my mind and if they do exist, do they have options for exerting control over who the nomination goes to? >> not in the way that they once did. i mean there was a time when the kind of bare bones of the republican party would get together and say this is going to be our best hope here and we're going to go forward with that. you know? the great phrase of pat buchanan, these are peasants with pitchforks as he described his constituency. there's a lot of that going on out there. there's the essence of a democracy. people are coming in who hadn't before because they want to shake their fist and say this is what i want. whatever law of physics you want to apply to this doesn't work because there's a whole new set of rules being established out there. the one thing that i've always liked is that it does cause people to pay attention and when we have these debates you see how their minds work. you have an idea where

>> john, for the most part republicans oppose organized labor. they support a national right-to-work law which would block unions and employers from negotiating contracts that require a union membership to work there. not at the main event, one of the most vocal anti-union candidates, new jersey governor chris christie. earlier this year, he described his battle with teachers, and said their union, quote, deserves a punch in the face. of the republicans on the main stage, not quite so hostile to unions, ohio governor john kasich did try to bust public employee unions five years ago, but ohio voters rejected the initiative, and he's since moderated his position and backed down from supporting right-to-work laws at least in ohio. florida governor jeb bush while generally antiunion has expressed his support for unions representing police and firefighters, but the most progressive republican on labor issues is donald trump. he has embraced collective bargaining, and said he never had a problem dealing with unions. if there's going to be an argument t

republicans picked up all of them, plus north carolina, republican-leaning state.those are the prime targets in a world that michael describes as being basically well aligned, where the republicans are holding republican seats, democrats are holding democratic seats. what does this election look like? on the surface, again the big numbers are 24 republicans up for election while there are only 10 democrats, seats of that party. and then just looking ahead, if you look to 2018, it's a class in the opposite direction with only 8 republicans, 23, or if you count the independents, 25 democrats. so you can manaimagine that the fundamentals are very different in these types of elections. one thing that's different about this election coming up is there is one seat that looks like those very red seats that republicans won last time for the democrats and that's in illinois, a state that democrats should win, will win at the presidential election. i'll put money on it. and mark kirk is in a very difficult atmosphere because of the character of the state. the other opportuni

bunch of republican questions.nd then i realized once i was there sort of eyeball to eyeball with them and i was like i can go way deeper on stuff that's not outside this room. >> one of the things that struck me is that part of the spectacle of the republican field and part of i think the complaints of the candidates about the debate just really have to do with the zero sum problem of too many people and not enough air time. part of what made that really edifying was how sustained it was. i mean, you can sit and listen to someone actually think through something, say -- you know, speak in paragraphs for a long period of time. >> you don't get that opportunity even with a little push. like no, that's away from the question. you come back to the question here. you get a chance to do that without seeming like you're just watching the clock. i mean, i do have to watch the clock. i tried to approximate 15 minutes and then a break and 10 minutes with each of them. i had a little stump thing i wanted to do with each one.

charlie: let's turn to the republicans.w the difference is beginning to emerge at the debate on immigration. where is that republican race right now? >> republican race is still dominated by two clinical outsiders to the entire political conversation republicans have had for the past 20 years, donald trump and ben carson our leaders here in iowa, leading in new hampshire, and leading in south carolina. if you add up their support in those three states and look at the numbers they have nationally, their supporters constitute roughly 50% to 60% of -- likely primary and caucus turnout. that is substantial, not only in raw numbers, but in that republicans have become so sick of what they consider to be -- it's not fraudulent, unproductive establishment figures that they sent to they are looking so far out of the mainstream that they're looking at donald trump and ben carson. remain?t that is the question republicans are asking in all states. many republicans who thought trump and cars and would not that inld have told you augus

face of the republican party? >> well, i'll tell you, one of the things to be said about him i think is that it's nice to see quality rise. everybody, republicans and democrats in this town agrees, this is a serious man who knows. an earnest politics not a sleaze ball or slob, that's good news. another thing that is unseen part of his talent the moment i think is that he didn't want the job, he had to be begged. when you finally give in over matter of weeks and say, okay, i'll take your job. you've left people really invested in you, they don't want this not to work right now. they want it to work which suggests he'll be able to have a his problematic characters in way that boehner wasn't able to. at least for awhile. >> dickerson: short period of time. jamelle, give me your take where the democratic race stands now. hillary clinton had a good week, where do things stand? >> i think the broad picture still that hillary clinton is likely nominee. i think what might complicate that bernie sanders is running very imp

is a fresh face enough to unite a deeply divided republican party? want to start with talking about big ideas. you speak about the fact that that's what you want to achieve, big ideas, which you're kind of known for, for medicare and medica medicaid. the tax code. immigration reform you talked about in the past. this is not a place where you can get big ideas done. how do you change that? >> i completely disagree with that. >> when was the last big idea? >> this is the people's house. >> right. >> where people come to serve your country. if you don't like the way the country is headed you have an obligation to the people who sent you here to change it. >> that's true historically. how does that happen? >> i cannot pick up where john left off. that is why, in discussing this with my house republican colleagues, we all concluded jointly that this has to be done differently. that's why we're wiping the slate clean. it's a new day. we're going to go offense on ideas, to be a proposition party, alternative party. that's where big ideas come from. we've be

cutting republicans.inly succeeded in that and it will be interesting to see the impact. i'm going to ask one of my colleagues how effective he thinks you were. it's great to see you again. congratulations on a terrific evening. >> thanks for having me. lou: up next we are minutes away from tonight's second republican presidential debate. jeb bush: here's the truth you will not hear from our president: we are at war with radical islamic terrorism. it is the struggle that will determine the fate of the free world.ould not delay in leading a global coalition to take out isis with overwhelming force. their aim is our total destruction. we can't withdraw from this threat or negotiate with it. we have but one choice: to defeat it. vo: right to rise usa is responsible for the content of this message. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ how else do you think he gets around so fast? take the reins this holiday and get the mercedes-benz you've always wanted during the winter event. hurry, offers end soon. i am totally blind. and sometimes i

now, in terms of the republicans, we will defeat the republicans the way we always do.nd that is, when millions of people begin to stand up and make it clear that her going to get involved in the political process, they are going to vote, and that they demand that congress does, with overwhelming majority of americans want to see happen. poll after poll, democrats, republicans, independents, raise the minimum wage. so we're going to continue to put pressure on republicans. we're going to win this fight. >> all right, so right now the federal minimum wage sits at 7:25 an hour. president obama has called for a $10.10 minimum wage. you're saying $15. hillary clinton is saying more than what the president is, less than what you are. she's saying $12 an hour. let me play her explanation from that. this is from last week in iowa. let's listen to that. >> in looking at this and talking with a lot of economists and a lot of members of congress, i favor a $12-an-hour minimum wage, at the federal level. and the reason is that would be -- that would be setting it at a level that w