another ally of kevin mccarthy who was going after -- there's that photo right there, that was richard hudsonabbing mike rogers who was going after matt gaetz. i asked hudson about that and he said he was just trying to stop what was to become a very, very tough moment, a very tense moment. rogers himself was furious at matt gaetz for essentially denying at that time it appeared, denying the speakership to kevin mccarthy. they exchanged some tough words. there was some back and forth, and then at the end of the day they -- they sort of went their own ways. now, that was a pretty -- i've been spending a lot of time talking to a lot of members about it. every single person there was taken aback that i've spoken to it about it. the republican -- the new speaker of the house kevin mccarthy about all these tense moments, what happened between the 14th and the 15th ballot vote and the 14th vote where it got so tense. he claimed that interaction that we showed there of mccarthy going after matt gaetz, he claims that was not actually a tense moment. he down-played that. it looked pretty tense to us w

talked to two republican members of the leadership team who just left kevin mccarthy's office, richard hudson and tom emmer. both said the vote will happen at noon. they expect that to happen and the reason why they don't have the votes to delay it democrats he don't want to supply help and want kevin mccarthy to go through this again where he's almost certainly expected to lose the votes to become speaker. one of the problems has been that mccarthy emissaries dispatched over the past day to try to get a deal with these dissidents have had a hard time actually nailing down the exact demands of those opponents. they want to understand what exactly they want, come back to the rest of the republican conference and say, can you all agree to this, but they have not been able to get those in writing, which is why they are in a position where they are now where they are expected to lose this vote again and, jake, the real fear is that the opposition will grow and will undercut any effort for mccarthy to regain any momentum here which is why this moment so critical for mccarthy, the house and the rep

alabama to yell and lunge at gaetz before he was restrained by north carolina congress member richard hudson put his hand over rogers' map. mccarthy was eventually elected on the 15th ballot with 216 votes to 212 for democratic leader hakeem jeffries. six republicans did not vote for mccarthy, instead casting "present" votes, which was enough to secure mccarthy's victory. after the four-day saga wrapped up, mccarthy credited former president trump with helping him clinch the speakership. >> but i do want to especially thank president trump. i don't think anybody should doubt his influence. he was with me from the beginning. he was all in. amy: mccarthy's election also meant the house was finally able to swear in lawmakers saturday. they included new york republican george santos, who is being investigated over his finances and for completely fabricating large portions of his resumÉ and his life history. before taking his oath of office, santos was seen making a hand gesture that many have called out as a white supremacist symbol during the 10th round of voting for house speaker. new york dem

he was restrained by richard hudson of north carolina. this was between the 14th and 15th vote.hat 15th vote the last vote that ultimately where kevin mccarthy secured the speakership. i think that speaks to the frustration here on capitol hill. the vast majority of republicans were willing to support mccarthy long ago, but these hard-liners were really sticking to their guns and not moving. and, you know, that is where why we saw rogers actually who i have seen for many years here on capitol hill. i believe he has been up here over 20 years. this seemed really uncharacteristic of him. but it really speaks to the frustration, i think many people were just at their boiling point. >> that is not a picture i'm sure that anyone will be proud of. and on the second anniversary of the january 6th insurrection. so that's a tough one to turn away from. eva mckend, thank you so much. >>> so with the house speaker now in place, the house's new members were finally sworn in overnight after days of waiting. joining us right now freshman congresswoman monica de la cruz, the first woman and fi

steve scalise, elise stefanik, richard hudson, it goes down the list. >> not jordan?y. >> no, jim jordan will not be the next speaker of the house, no question. but you can drop all the way down to number six or seven. in 1999, nobody in the country knew who dennis hastert was, probably of our good fortune at that point. >> right, right, right. >> but they reach all the way back into the people you had not heard of. and then senator threes probably in the next, week when democrats probably begin to play ball because there's an opportunity for a unity ticket. keep coming, dishonest keep failing? >> obviously, for democrats -- you don't need to use their currency for anything right now. but if republicans cannot form a governing coalition, then there is an opportunity. so, where do democrats step in there? and that becomes a question of, is there a speaker candidate that will give allowances on process? is it a tom cole of oklahoma, fred upton, who recently left? that is the third scenario. it will be very telling tomorrow when they reconvene at noon -- is kevin mccarth

you can reach down to richard hudson, who is recently affirmed as the nrcc chair.ou saw them trying to get the republican study committee chair in the mix today. tom colson, very much, who is like a front up in a scenario. that is the kind of break glass scenarios, the question is, is topical ready to retire? he's been there 20 years, and it would only be for two years because, inevitably, as swalwell was mentioning, once you reach a deal with the democrats, because you are going to have to deal with the democrats to raise the debt ceiling, and keep the government open, you are persona non grata in republican politics. the issue right now between mccarthy, and the never kevin caucus, is one of a power dynamic. one of those sides needs to shift this dynamic. if kevin can move votes his way, he gets some momentum. if gates and boebert can say, we've all taken a blood oath, and here is our alliance of six people, who will ensure that it will never be kevin? that is a power shift. that will be the next stage in the story. who can shift this power dynamic we are stuck i

he had to be physically restrained by republican congressman richard hudson of north carolina. >> kevin mccarthy engaged in intense negotiations and made some major concessions to secure the speaker's gavel. now he is saying it's about a commitment to the american people. >> a commitment for the future that's built on freedom where children come first and are taught to dream big because in america dreams can still come true. a commitment for a government that is held accountable. where americans get the answers they want, need and deserve. our system is built on checks and balances. it's time for us to be a check and provide some balance to the president's policies. [ applause ] >> so will kevin mccarthy's concessions affect republicans' ability to govern? his opponents say no. >> at some point we all have to hold hands and jump off the glitch together. you either resolution of all these issues as we move forward, we built that bond of trust and we should continue to do the things in the best interest of our country and move forward. >> as he said, it took major wheel and dealer for kev

. -- as you can see, rodgers, right there he is having to be held back by congressman, richard hudson during your time in the white house, you witnessed a similar commission. a huge argument broke out the day after the capitol riot in response to a speech that you made on the house floor. i'm in, is this kind of becoming the norm for the new congress? >> yeah, it was two years to the minute almost that that same thing happened. and they couldn't show our tussle on c-span because of the rules, but, i wouldn't say it's becoming the norm. we did go two years basically without one. this has to be unusual in the sense that it's two members of the same party going at each other. at least on the original january six, it was democrats versus republicans in the trial, so it is a little more easy to understand. but the house gop is just now so, you know, divided doesn't even really express it. i mean people like mike rogers that they're in a sinking ship as long as they have matt gates on their side, and that he's going to bring them down, and he's going to make someone like mike rogers worked

when a fight almost broke out between matt gates and his fellow republicans might rogers and richard hudsonorever and we have not other than c-span to thank for that. my sunday night panel is back with me. so eugene, what do you make of this? what did you think of c-span and it's free roaming camera? should we make this the norm? what stood out to you about it? >> yeah, c-span -- i think as a nerd, as reporter, absolutely. i would love for that to be the case. because i think, it is important for the american people to actually see how this thing works. you see members of congress going over and negotiating on the floor, trying to we -- going to talk to alexandra cortez, talk to aoc, you see santos learn how to be a member of congress in an important case. -- what should be doing. that is important for folks to see it, was a reminder of how chaotic the first week was though. i think that was one of the things that a lot of people left with, it is not going to be like this anymore but it did give folks -- to have fun with and a good reminder of how democracy actually works, it is just a bunc

and friday night light when richard hudson grabbed alabama's mike rogers in the face trying to restrainother failed mccarthy vote. now that speaker has been confirmed, c-span has returned to its normal procedure and as it noted last night, their cameras are no longer in the house chamber and they have resumed using the feed there government operated cameras. the best part of last week was being able to see everything that you could see because of c-span. i don't think a lot of people ever watched c-span until last week. >> it really shows what you get to see. because normally reporters are in the balcony and they can say this happened, but now you can see it yourself. >> i just got frustrated like i can't watch this anymore. >> because of the days on? >> it was just so much. like i flipped on to hbo max or netflix or whatever. and it was number eight, number nine, ten, okay, glad i didn't watch. that was me. >> a lot of replays. >> good that the cameras were there. >>> and we have to get to california, what is happening there is unreal. but all-too real, rescues under way this morning a

he was like going toward -- >> mike rogers was yelling, and i believe it was richard hudson who had to kind of hold him back and put his hand over his mouth. >> andy tgreyer is saying mike rogers of alabama lunged after matt gaetz. >> that tense tuesday meeting is when they threatened to pull people off their committees. >> it's beyond embarrassing at this point. it's humiliating to kevin mccarthy, but remember when they broke earlier and took this break and said they were going to come back this evening they asked him why he was confident, and he said because i count. again, he has failed at his number one job, counting. he and his team have one job, count. >> but he's dealing with some people who are i mean unpredictable would be putting it mildly. i mean matt gaetz i think in this moment you -- you could say that he is not acting in good faith, and just a sense of the tensions in this room, there are several people in the room, members who came back to washington, wesley hunt, ken buck due to health issues. wesley hunt's wife is in the hospital, just had a baby who's premature. peop

only guy on armed services voting against mccarthy, and it got a little worse and that's when richard hudson stepped in. one thing that was interesting to me is that what we were told was lauren boebert was sitting next to gaetz, and we were told on that vote, on the 14th vote, she was actually going to vote for gaetz, which would have allowed gaetz to vote present, which mccarthy would have won on the 14th vote. >> she would have voted for mccarthy. >> voted for gaetz. then gaetz can vote present. what happened is she voted present, and gaetz voted present. he didn't get it. he got on the number but he didn't get there. there was come confusion about what was happening, and that's when everybody panicked and flipped out. >> all right. another iconic moment, i will say, this photo, marjorie taylor greene holding up the cell phone with the initials dt on it. that hand that you see there is congressman matt rosendale who didn't vote present or for mccarthy, which also really screwed up the math for mccarthy as well. really incredible. >> without a doubt. when i saw that picture, i'm thinking e

a multiple ballot situation, perhaps a steve scalise comes through, there's dark horses like richard hudsonothers. you know, this wild card scenario of a unity pick, that could be weeks away if the house is unable to reach concurrence this week around either kevin mccarthy or steve stah lease or one of the more likely candidates. >> quite a time on the hill. joyce, want to talk about the january 6th committee. we know retiring illinois congressman adam kinzinger, also a committee member, was on cnn yesterday morning talking about how trump needs to be held accountable to all the evidence that's been raised, held accountable for his actions. let's listen. >> if this is not a crime, i don't know what is. if a president can incite an insurrection and not be held accountable, then really there's no limit to what a president can do or can't do. and so yeah, i do think ultimately when we get to where we're going to go, i think the justice department will do the right thing. i think he will be charged. and i frankly think he should be. >> he says the justice department there will do the right thin

if it's not mccarthy, maybe it's scalise, maybe it's richard hudson of north carolina.you get to 12, 15, 20 ballots and this is into next week, now you're looking at a candidate like tom cole of oklahoma, fred upton who has left the house now, but could come back. somebody who has to be universally respected by republicans. it's not a kinzinger or cheney. somebody universally respected by republicans who can get say 150 of the 222 republicans, and at that point, the break glass suyareio is democrats say this is a pretty strong hand we can play if we lend 70 votes to this unified candidate. that's who mitch mcconnell wants to work with, not kevin mccarthy. >> very interesting, and eugene, i don't see much difference with steve scalise. he called himself david duke without the baggage. this is a problem. you're not a unifying guy if you're comparing yourself positively to david duke. you have elise stefanik who was willing to be whoever, she would have been with pelosi if she thought it would give her power. she is mrs. cellophane. she means nothing. so she doesn't seem l

honorable adrian smith, the honorable robert wittman, the honorable andy harris, the honorable richard hudson, the on rabble john joyce, a thend honorable reschenthaler to sign enrolled bills through the remainder of the 118th congress. signed, sincerely, kevin mccarthy, speaker. the speaker pro tempore: the chair lays before the house a communication. the clerk: the honorable the speaker, house of representatives, sir. under clause 2-g of rule 2 of the trials of u.s. house of representatives, i herewith designate ms. lisa p. grant, deputy clerk, mr. kevin f. mccoupleer, deputy clerk, mr. tom sloan, deputy counsel, to sign any and all papers and acts for me as clerk of the house which they would be authorized to do by designation except as provided by statute in case of my absence or disability. this shall remain in effect for the 118th congress or until modified by me. signed, sincerely, cheryl l. johnson, clerk of the house. the speaker pro tempore: the chair lays before the house an additional communication. the clerk: the honorable the speaker, house of representatives, sir, pursuant to t

it says one thing the document doesn't contain, according to nrcc chair richard hudson, who said that he's seen it, is promised committee chairmanships for specific members, quote, no name, just representation on panels. end quote. we were able to find out from mr. hudson what's not in that secret memo but it would be helpful maybe before the end of the day if we could actually get the document so that the american people know what was promised. in any event, mr. speaker, china has the second largest economy in the world. and there's no doubt their government seeks to extend their sphere of influence and export their model of authoritarianism abroad. the question is how should the united states respond. for the past four years i've served as chair and co-chair of the congressional committee on china. we have monitored china's stance on human rights standards. under my leadership alongside senators merkley and rubio and congressman smith, we have continued to draw attention to china's violations. we passed my bill, the eager forced labor prevention act which seeks to suppress the genoc

that rogers longed to gates in the c-span feed shows rogers being held back by representative richard hudsonnorth carolina. members of the house could be heard shouting as mccarthy turned back around towards the scene. shortly after the exchange, the voting for speaker continued and mccarthy finished with the 200 60 votes out of 242. deliberation continued on the house floor or for the final vote count was called. you can see the actual argument going on on the house floor as kevin mccarthy was looking for the final vote to get him over the top. now, what is this mean for kevin mccarthy and his future as speaker of the house? we don't know. what do you think? let's start with ted who is calling from miami, florida, on the republican line. ted, good morning. caller: hi, good morning. this was the saddest thing i have ever seen in my entire life. i chose the party because i do like it and my choice was because of a person. this was just the saddest thing i have ever seen in this party. and mccarthy, i don't think he has anything planned with the party or anything else. it is just sad. host: le