he is taking part in a miniseries on donald rumsfeld called "the certainty of donald rumsfeld."hy did you choose donald rumsfeld to be the subject of this film? "the fog of war: eleven lessons from the life of madet s. mcnamara" and mcnamara a central figure. for me, as a young man, because , one ofar of vietnam the great disasters in american .istory and i made a movie because of questions about that war. how did we get into such an incredible mess? 58,000 american soldiers dead. millions of people in southeast asia dead. call it the salt and pepper shakers where the book ends, but another disastrous for, another secretary of defense. i decided i wanted to do it again. i had made a movie about abu ghraib, so there were a number of other issues which were of great interest to me. >> it is interesting, mcnamara was a reluctant warmonger, whereas rumsfeld is so certain about everything he does. how did you get him to sit down, not just for a couple hours, but for 33 hours of interviews, and to reveal so much about his own thoughts to you? >> the simplest answer is because he wante

explainsnt documentary and defends donald rumsfeld's decisions. "the unknown known" will be in select theaters next week. we start our conversation first with a clip from "the unknown known." >> what about all these so-called torture memos? >> there were what? one or two or three? they were not all of these so-called memos. they were mischaracterized as torture memos and they came not out of the bush administration per se. they came out of the u.s. department of justice blessed by the attorney general, the senior legal official of the united states of america, having been nominated by a president and confirmed by the senate. a little different cast i just put on it than the one you did. i will chalk that one up. tavis: love that green there that the end. let me just ask you, this was the first question that came to my mind when i saw that rumsfeld had sat down with you. my first question was, why in the world if you are donald rumsfeld and you get a call from errol morris, why he would sit down with you? did he not see your mcnamara work? back in

i watched this long documentary on rumsfeld. always has, fay, whimsical, eccentric, i suppose. nothing about the real reasons for that war. nothing about nuclear weapons, the ones saddam never had. nothing about the threat to the united states because he never was a threat. nothing about why 186,000 people should die. what a moral disaster the whole murky stupid "w" war that no one will tell us had to be or even why. that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "all in with chris hayes" starts right now. >>> good evening from new york. i am ari melber in for chris hayes. it's been one of the most significant days for new jersey governor chris christie since the start of the bridge-gate scandal. today a law firm that the governor's office hired released claims that exonerates christie and puts the blame for the bridge lane closures mostly on a former staffer and former port authority appointee. numerous questions unanswered. we'll explore those in a moment. today's self-exoneration comes on what is effectively the start d

your guess maybe as good as mine donald rumsfeld came up with this. set of expressions the no no no no no no no no no and of course the last of them and the most enigmatic of them all the unknown known what the hell does it mean he himself isn't sure. i think i know what i don't know anyway vijay i ask you well you think you knows never mind why worms fell why this documentary i'd made a movie about another is terry of defense robert s. mcnamara the fog of war great movie to disastrous wars vietnam and in the sixty's the early seventy's. iraq. maybe we're not as much a part of it anymore but ten years in tallinn ng the war is still going on. why that's the question what were they thinking so you came to rumsfeld said i want to do this documentary did he know that you had these thoughts about the of the wrongness of that war. he knows why do you agree to sit down with you. i'll never know i wrote to him i sent him a copy of the fog of war. he invited me to come to washington i met with him. he told me that he hated the fog of war. as he said speaking a

what did you learn about donald rumsfeld that made you horrified?med to be nobody home. >> stephen: what do you-- what do you mean? here's a charming man. >> he's an incredibly charming man. he gave me a lot of hhs timee he was incredibly cooperative. he gave me all these memos that he had written over tte years. >> stephen: how many hours did you talk to him? >> 30-plus hours of interviews. >> stephen: wow. so did you find out why we went to war in iraq? >> not so much. ( laughter ) >> stephen: i heard you said you actually know less about the reasons we went into iraq after talking to him than whee you started talking to him. >> yes. >> stephen: is there any chance that some day we won't know anything about why we went in? ( laughter ) ( applause ) and then eventually we'll just forget that we went in at all. ( applause ) ( cheers ) errol, thank you so much for joining me. errol morris, "the unknown known," in theaters, on itunes, on demand, april 4. go see it.% thank you. thank you. ( cheers and applause ). my tell 'em babe...how shemes doesn't s

. >>> a look at donald rumsfeld, the unknown known, which digs into rumsfeld's decisions which he andd chaney took us to war in iraq. this is "hardball," the place for politics. are you ready grandma? just a second, sweetie. [ female announcer ] we eased your back pain, you turned up the fun. tylenol® provides strong pain relief while being gentle on your stomach. but for everything we do, we know you do so much more. tylenol®. >>> when it comes to presidential elections, virginia voters are more like the rest of the country than any other state in the union. the new polling shows hillary clinton with an edge right now in virginia over her potential republican rivals in every case. let's check the "hardball" scoreboard. according to a new quinnipiac poll, mrs. clinton leads chris christie by four points in virginia. it's clinton, 45. against rand paul that i think is going to win the republican nomination, believe it or not, it's clinton 48 to 42. she is up by six. she leads jeb bush 47-39. they keep referring to him as the white knight. it doesn't look like it. the same margin agains

donald rumsfeld wasn't sensitive about iraqi civilians dying.g echo chamber isn't sensitive with anything to do with a this first family. anyone serious about foreign policy knows this kind of sensitivity is what really pays dividends going down the road. >> but, you know, goldie, i think there is absolutely -- i agree with richard. you don't think taxpayers should be paying for the trip which is ludicrous. we've done that with other first ladies and the country benefits from this. even in a sarcastic way are we going to exchange and leave her mother, to me there is a boundary of decency that you have when you're talking about the first family in a country or any family. and that's what i'm so outraged about. >> you know, reverend, in these drm environments, i don't know that there are boundaries anymore. i don't know there are any boundaries when it comes to this president. two things are really at play here. first, we are living in a time when people are looking at their government and they're looking at spending and they're wanting us to do m

including with paul wolfowitz, donald rumsfeld's second in command.on with just two months until the invasion, attention turns to who will run iraq in the immediate days and weeks after the fall of saddam. retired army lieutenant general jay garner, a man with deep experience in the region, gets the call from donald rumsfeld. >> he said, we need right now is somebody to come in, put a staff together, operationalize the plans we put together. you know, you think if you're going to put that together you'd have office space and desk and computers and telephones and all that. i didn't even have a chair. >> that lack of planning when it comes to basic post-saddam governance stands in stark contrast to the level of planning that's already well under way for iraq's oil sector. >> there's a very strong sense of urgency. it was 12, 15-hour days from what i remember. they knew where every pipeline, where every refinery, gas plant, oil field, gas oil separation plant was. people said we didn't plan very well for iraq. i would take exception to that when it came

>> no, both the examples you cite here, romney and rumsfeld.l vindication thereafter. >> romney still has a thing about having been embarrassed in the debate in russia by president, who really dogged him on russia, and he's apparently carried this all this time. and rumsfeld is looking for -- >> i'm not saying they're racists. but this weird reference to trained apes, what is that? what is that? >> you know, the fact that he said it before, in a different context does not remove the racial connotation from saying it about the first african-american president. >> he's saying it -- >> the image in his head is obama, i guess, and he's thinking, how much could i smear whatever. >> words do -- the context in which words are -- >> apparently it's like you said, one of rumsfeld's favorite phrases. here it is, he's used it time and again. including this infamous line in 2002 that david just mentioned, this is when he was bringing up support for the war on false pretenses. here he is, there's no debate in the world as to whether they, in iraq, have thos

and and use it when rumsfeld saw the film what did he say to you. when he saw who rough cuts as we went along and he would write memos to me and i who was the recipient of dollar rumsfeld snowflakes things he liked things he didn't like things he thought i could keep things that i should change even though he had no right of final cut that. was mine . did you pay him no no did he talk you out of anything if you put something that he requested to not be in not in the know he wanted he wanted less emphasis on abu ghraib he wanted less emphasis on torture. but by and large it's all there i was not forced to take anything out and everything that i wanted in the film is in the film you got obviously the facts you got to serve them says is instances did you get to feelings. through the whole rumsfeld's smile repeatedly throughout the unknown. to me the smile is really strange so. it's like the tell in a poker game. where. somehow the hand is revealed through some slight gesture and yet in the smile to me is a smile of self-satisfaction and that it is well

rumsfeld and gates. and senior military leaders at the time would say the surge couldn't have taken place without that change. and secondly, one of the things you get in the pages of "surge" or "the end game" is knowledge of iraq politics, society, culture, and ethnic groups. it shows you just how little we knew about iraq. that iraq was such a black box to us in 2003 when the invasion took place. it was a very hard learning process. it was one that we unfortunately had to pay for in blood between 2003-2006 just to get the knowledge so you know, for example, that abu is stepping into a major role and they fled from al qaeda pressure and are in jordan now. would we have known that in 2003? the level of knowledge you had to gain to see where the seams were that you could exploit is extrao extrao extraordinary. in your opening chapter, when you describe what went before the surge, the major development that is missed, i think, in the campaign as it is plan forked in 2004-2006 -- planned -- is the ethno cent

donald rumsfeld and peters talking about the situation. take a listen. >> vladimir putin believes in russia. he believes in russia's destiny, the mission. obama does not believe in american exceptionalism. >> we're sending a signal that america is weak, that we're in decline, and weakness is provocative. we've created a leadership vacuum in the world. it's filled by putin and it will be filled by other putin-like people. putin is punching so far above his weight class and the united states isn't punching at all. we don't have a foreign policy. we don't have a strategy. >> camera three right now, bob, what about it? >> that's the same rumsfeld who went into iraq with not enough troops, forced george bush in. the fact this guy would talk about the strength, and it was him -- >> however, can we focus -- >> i'm saying rumsfeld is the wrong guy. the other guy i don't know. rumsfeld is the wrong guy to listen to. >> they were both on hannity last night. is it true, are we punching at all? and frankly, should we be punching? >> are you asking me

rumsfeld and gates. and senior military leaders at the time would say the surge couldn't have taken place without that change. and secondly, one of the things you get in the pages of "surge" or "the end game" is knowledge of iraq politics, society, culture, and ethnic groups. it shows you just how little we knew about iraq. that iraq was such a black box to us in 2003 when the invasion took place. it was a very hard learning process. it was one that we unfortunately had to pay for in blood between 2003-2006 just to get the knowledge so you know, for example, that abu is stepping into a major role and they fled from al qaeda pressure and are in jordan now. would we have known that in 2003? the level of knowledge you had to gain to see where the seams were that you could exploit is extrao extrao extraordinary. in your opening chapter, when you describe what went before the surge, the major development that is missed, i think, in the campaign as it is plan forked in 2004-2006 -- planned -- is the ethno cent

secretary rumsfeld who got us into the tragedy. >> i don't want to hear about rumsfeld. to hear about hillary's comments. >> yes, she is his torically accurate. >> you call him a thug, i'll call him a thug. i think he's sticking his middle finger in obama's face, from edward snowden. even though obama's giving every concession to this man, he's looking to embarrass him and he's doing so on the world stage. your reaction? >> it's clear to me that putin not only has the upper hand from a to z, but he's enjoying himself. he enjoys thumping at obama. putin is the big bad russian wolf. and obama is a bunny rabbit. let's face the facts here. putin, without firing a shot, managed to seize crimea, he is never going to give it back there is nothing we will do to make him give it back. what will we do about that? virtually nothing. all this nonsense about sanctions and all that stuff. it's not going to happen in a meaningful way because europeans won't stick with it. they don't have the money for freedom. >> i'd like to make one point. there is one thing we could do that would get

secretary of defense donald rumsfeld also looked on iraq as a laboratory to test his theories and to validate really the revolution in military affairs, the idea that high-tech forces with precision guided missions and intelligence aspects could collapse an enemy state relatively quickly, beginning at the center of gravity and then wind up the war fairly rapidly with fewer casualties. and that this was the sort of wave of the future, the u.s. will take affairs, was going to take advantage of. unfortunately, the enemy didn't cooperate. lieutenant general scott wallace, commander, as he is marching up country towards baghdad, supply bunch of being attacked by guerrillas. he makes a comment to the press that this is not the enemy we war gamed against, and force candidates he was nearly relieved of command. this is sort of part and parcel without the secretary of defense and the administration dealt with things that went against the perceived notions. recently stuck their head in sand and said, it's not happening. so when there was evidence that an insurgency was developing, well, it was

i think in my view, better problem, the problem is we stimhave to work for donald rumsfeld, who is not going it allow him a lot of lee way, and he's going to steer things in a certain direction as developed as the previous question indicated, you know, did secretary rumsfeld want this to occur, didn't. ed the army to be disbanded, just like germany in 1945, k4-6s the division they had, which was inaccurate historic analysis, and i don't know that better people would have resulted in a better outcome, but, you know, that's the fun thing about history. we don't know. the second one was -- >> lessons -- >> well, the big lesson is really a political one problems iraq faced today in anbar are a result of political impact at the highest level, and if you get over the political impact and bring in all ethnicities, factions, and parties into a political way forward, then dealing with the military aspect is countering terrorism, and anbar would be easy, but the provision of the specific tactics, techniques, procedures, apache hell cometters, hell fire missiles, that's all noise. you know, you c

>> well, it's rich hearing this kind of stuff from don rumsfeld. the name-calling must give him some kind of satisfaction. but, again, if you're a serious republican foreign policy-minded person, what is the alternative? tell us what they think this shot do other than sounding tough or wearing a suit in the oval office. what are the alternatives, what are any alternatives if they are really talking about rolling back russian forces out of ukraine? and let's hear them say that but more to the point, what kind of strength did donald rumsfeld project when he got bogged down in the quagmire of iraq. did america look like it was filling a leadership vacuum because of their foreign policy disasters, or is there a stronger policy in building coalitions, withdrawing from wars that don't make any sense, and maybe, you know, ordering up the attack that killed bin laden? >> well, you know, michelle, the right wing had a very different reaction, as a matter of fact, when russia invaded the country of georgia back in 2008 when president bush was in office. karl

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former defense secretary donald rumsfeld joins us. good evening, sir. >> good evening. >> what should we do or not do? what should president obama do or not do? >> well, the focus not surprisingly is on that question. and it's understandable. but it's way too narrow. yesterday, it was syria. today it's ukraine. tomorrow it could be the republic of georgia again it could be central asia. iran, north korea. at this stage, near term options are few. it seems to me the central problem is bigger and critically important. america and that is america's weakness. specifically the u.s. is behaving in a way that tells the world we're in decline. that we're in withdrawal. we have created a leadership vacuum in the world, and it is filled by the putins in the world. by people without our values or our interest. and it's to the detriment of the united states and our friends and allies around the world. it is the united states that's injected that instability into the world equation. >> you know, it's sort of interesting to say that the "the washin

donald rumsfeld said last night, if we could play that type. >> we've created a leadership vacuum ine world and it is being filled by the putins of the world. it's the united states that has injected that instability into the world equation. >> that is secretary of defense, former secretary of defense donald rumsfeld who has injected this node of instability because we've created a leadership vacuum. what do you think of that? >> well, i'm not going to give putin any excuse. he has created the uncertainty in the world. it's his own version of russian roulette. the only thing this time, the gun is aimed at the int national community's head and that's why there has to be a forceful response. it is he that has moved russian troops into the crimea. it's he that is talking about that maybe, if necessary, he'll move russian troops into eastern ukraine. so, you know, i think that that statement ultimately takes away the attention of where we feed to have it. and that's on what president putin is doing, what the international community needs to do in response because i do believe that streng

. >> last night donald rumsfeld was here to gone 00 record after of a gag president harmid karzai snubbed president obama again. snubbing for annexation of crimea and syria and venezuela. here is what secretary rumsfeld told us. >> our relationship with karzai and with afghanistan was absolutely first rate in the bush administration. it has gone down hill bike a toboggan ever since the obama administration came. >> karl, your sawns? >> well, look, it was not the easiest of relationships. it required constant management by the personal involvement of the president of the united states and by top officials government. president bush talked to karzai frequently. was in a secure video conference with him almost every couple of weeks. was talking to him constantly on the telephone. that's how you make a relationship, one that is positive by managing the relationship. i have to admit when you heard news reports that president obama went a year without talking to karzai, i was taken aback because this is an individual in a country that if you don't pay attention to it can go in problematic ways.

bright new defense secretary donald rumsfeld says we are going to have a revolutionary in military affairs because we are not going to fight these low grade counterinsurgency fights. we need a much lighter high-tech force. that is what the pentagon was going for. a bunch of guys with box cutters got on civilian aircraft and started the wars of the last few years. it's easy to say these are the wars of the future, but we don't know what the wars of the future are. the responsibility of a super power to be prepared for a variety of contingencies. >> is the american government prepared to finance what bret is talking about? the entitlements are squeezing out defense, which is what happened in europe and why the german army is 62,000. something like that. they don't have defense spending except for the french around british. >> the american public will support these kinds of commitments only if an american president uses the leadership to explain why it's necessary. let's understand the context in which this is happening right now. you mentioned the pivot to asia. nominally there is a pivot to

defense secretary donald rumsfeld said we're going to have a revolution in the future we're not goinglower-tech fights. we need a high-tech force. and that's what happened when a bunch of guys with box cutters went on planes. we don't know, the responsibility of the superpower can be prepared for a variety of contention. >> is the american public prepared to finance what brett is talking about? >> what happened in europe, the german army is 32,000 or something like that. they simply don't have the defense spending such as the french and british. >> american public will support these kinds of commitments only if the american president uses the leadership to explain to them why it's necessary. and let's sort of understand the context. you mentioned the pivot to asia. made a special trip to asia to reassure that it was real. they doubted our commitment to syria. in all of the areas of the world that senses the united states is pulling back. and if we cut through defense forces like this, they're going to start making deals with whoever they need to in those parts of the world, and that w

. >>> former secretary of defense donald rumsfeld is less than thrilled about u.s. foreign policy under the president. especially when it comes to treatment of afghanistan and its president hamid karzai. on monday he framed what he sees as obama's ineptitude in no uncertain terms. >> our relationship with karzai and afghanistan was absolutely first rate in the bush administration. it has gone downhill like a toboggan ever since the obama administration xwaim came. if the administration, white house, and state department have failed to get a status -- >> all right. they were assigned to keep president obama safe on his trip overseas this week, but three secret service agents are now sitting at home on administrative leave. the secret service says the agents were booted from the detail after a night of drinking in the netherlands. one of the agents was reportedly found passed out in the hallway of a hotel, and this happened the day before president obama arrived in amsterdam. agents are not allowed to drink alcohol within ten hours of a shift. that rule went into affe

now you move to donald rumsfeld in 2004. sexual assault will not be tolerated by the department of defense. beautiful words but i think to those who are listening, nothing will stop this epidemic. democrat secretaries of defense, republican secretaries of defense, it doesn't matter. then you've got robert gates who served republican and democrats. what does he say? this is a matter of grave concern. i have zero tolerance for sexual assault. leon panetta under bill clinton, "we have absolutely no tolerance for any form of sexual assault. i take these allegations seriously. we have no place in the military for sexual assault." and then current secretary under president obama, chuck hagel, "it's not good enough to say we have a zero-tolerance policy. we do. but what does it mean? how does that translate into changing anything? i want to know. these crimes have no place, no place in the greatest military on earth." we all agree with that, but here's what this shows you. just look at this. one, two, three, four, five, six, seven

new documentary on donald rumsfeld. stay tuned for the after show. for matt and kmele, i am kennedy. good night. ♪ lou: good evening, everyone. president obama today downplaying the importance of russia on the international stage. totally underestimating vladimir putin's military power. repeated claims that al qaeda is quote on the run, a phrase he uttered 32 times on presidential campaign trail between benghazi terrorist attacks o of september 11, 2012. his reelection. while responding to a question of whether governor romney was correct in that debate a year and a half ago. >> russia is a regional power that is threatening some of its immediate neighbors. not out of strength, but out of weakness. russia's actions are a problem, they don't pose the number one national security threat to the united states i continue to be much more concerned with our security with the prospect of a nuclear weapon going off in manhattan. lou: important question to consider. if russia's a legional power -- regional power, as president obama suggestions is he classifyin

former secretary of state -- former secretary of defense donald rumsfeld joins us.ood evening, sir. >> good evening. statement by former president karzai annexes crimea. what do you make of him doing that? >> well, i think it's important, particularly for the young men and women who served in afghanistan to appreciate the fact that karzai originally was selected to become president by the loya jirga the conference because he didn't have a militia. he was weaker than most of the tribal leaders. he, therefore, the country was not really used to a strong central government. what's happened is the united states government and he i realize these are tough jobs being president or secretary of state. but, by golly, they have trashed karzai publicly over and over and over hole book, the special enjoy did. vice president biden did. secretary hillary clinton has. the president has been unblefnt to him. and it seems to me they put him in a political box where he really has very little choice. i think there is probably not a politician in the world who dealing with the united s

their mother's word, that was their report, but we don't know what is true, we don't know as donald rumsfeldwe don't know all of the unknowns, we just know there are a massive number of them. >> look, this is a multinaginvolvement -- multinagin involvement, there is no quarterback to this team, a lot of country doing their thing. i say, nobody claims credit. either it has crashed they are all dead or a -- has not reached its conclusion yet, i am worried about that other sthao shoe to . lou: an element, that pilot, was within hours of his take off at the pryal of opposition -- trial of opposition leader in malaysia, i believe his name eastbouneastbound ibrahem, sento 5 years in jail for trumped-up sosodomy charges, he was an obsessive political fan of ibrahim and a obsessive committed devout muslim. >> i exploreed this, and look add what would be a supporter of this jailed opposition leader, we need to look at it the radicalization process. i detected some are radical, some are note, we want to know to which faction the pilot potentially has been connected. if we find out, we may open up a wh

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well, if it really would happen, it might be you know the right way to go, i don't believe in this, rumsfeldf talking like their a few years ago it never happened, now i hear that report saying they of cutting 80,000, i saw 40,000, up less congress changes their mind, they will, this is an excuse to pretend they are cutting in app area fo an -- in an area for purpose of buying more weaponry. john: they do admit they are spending $28 billion more. >> right. they are, they are not really cutting anything. they want to pretend to down size the amount of pen nel. -- energy pehl, my argument is they should down size foreign policy, if we're going to be policemen of the world, we are sending a destroy or black sea this is important, the i f35 we need that, i guess that american people say keep spending. they voted to give aid to ukraine. where are we going to get the money? it never ends. that is why i predict it will not end until we have a declared bankruptcy with the destructed of the dollar, at the rate they are going they are working hard on that. john: dick cheney said about these plans, cut

rumsfeld. there were plans of the shelf at centcom but was under different commander. he was o.k. so the military did give their best advice but the bigger issue is how can we train and educate our leaders to give better advice? this goes to the professional military education system that counts with the officer's career as a way station. >> final south korea and iraq. >> will give you a specific reason the middle east has a lot of oil and will for decades to come we all love creed energy but to we depended on hydrocarbon it will continue to matter to become the new saudi arabia senate thank you very much. [applause] >> you are willing to sign books? the health care problem in the united states if we do not translate those findings that ocher at the university level that are affordable and accuse them as long as we treat or cure them to have a solution to the health care problem because health insurance coverage will provide coverage but when it comes to drugs in the premiums and subsidies where are the subsidies going to come from? they don't just get the dollars out of the trees

. >> former defense secretary donald rumsfeld is talking.e blames america's lack of leadership for inability around the globe. >> yesterday it was syria today it is the ukraine tomorrow it coul republican of georgia, skd be central asia, iran, north korea. at this stage the near term options are few. it seems to me the problem is bigger and critically important. that is america's weakness. the u.s. is in a way that tells the world we are in decline and we are in withdraw. we have created a leadership doctrine of the world with people out our values or our interests to the detriment of the united states and friends and allies around the world. it is the united states that dejected that instability into the world equation. >> senator lindsay graham also appearing on the record. it is clear vladmir putin does not take him seriously. >> come to the conclusion after benghazi, after syria, after egypt, after everything that obama has been engaged in he's a weak and decisive leader. i think put tin believes he is going to grab the creme yaw and pus