sanjay gupta joins me now. sanjay, it's good to see you here. it's surprising he's receiving these death threats. i mean, it's been a hard enough time for dr. fauci grappling with the virus and let alone the politics of it, and now death threats. i mean, what a shame. >> yeah. no question. i got to tell you, laura, i've been interviewing, i've known dr. fauci for a long time, 20 years. talked about a variety of topics. he was one of the first people i ever interviewed when i became a journalist. this was surprising to me. you know, he's 79 years old. the question i was asking was just about his overall health and how tired he was and, you know, did he still have the same energy. that's what i was sort of driving at, but clearly, you know, there's been a lot going on behind the scenes, not just with him, but with his family. take a listen. >> we both have wives and three daughters. how's christine doing with all this? has she -- has she worried about you? has she suggested that maybe you pull back at all? >> well, she doesn't suggest i pull back.

but what's happened, sanjay? look at the reality.t has happened is that we have a situation where we say open up in a measured, prudent way. >> yeah. >> and you get some that do it fine, and then you see the pictures of people at bars with no masks, not social distancing. i'm not blaming them because i think they're doing that innocently. because what they're saying, incorrectly, is that if i get infected, i'm in a vacuum. it doesn't bother anyone else. i'm not bothering them. don't bother me. that's incorrect. because even though you are likely not gonna get symptoms, you are propagating the outbreak. >> yeah. >> which means that you're gonna infect someone who will infect someone who then will have a serious consequence. >> that's unbelievable. sanjay, we have more from your interview with dr. fauci, including why he thinks it is some people just aren't willing to follow the public health guidelines and advice of scientists, and it's not exactly the reason you might think. that's next. this isn't just a wifi upgrade. this is xfi co

sanjay gupta and dr. anthony fauci, as they've been talking about the state of affairs with the coronavirus. we heard from anthony fouchy. he detailed a lot of thinginizecluding the fact that his family has received death threats, his grown children have been harassed and talked more broadly about the pandemics that people need to grow in univen, when it comes to public health measures and he lumeanted that the atmosphere is not conducive to that happening. so, we're going to be looking to this in a moment with the viral specialist. we'll be right back after a quick break. ♪ come on in, we're open. ♪ all we do is hand you the bag. simple. done. we adapt and we change. you know, you just figure it out. we've just been finding a way to keep on pushing. ♪ to give you the protein you need with less of the sugar you don't. [grunting noise] i'll take that. woohoo! 30 grams of protein and 1 gram of sugar. ensure max protein. with nutrients to support immune health. ensure max protein. apps except work.rywhere...

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sanjay gupta. jim, can you just lay out the president's -- what he is saying the plan, from his side, is? not actually enacting executive action. he is just saying what he will do if congress doesn't reach an agreement, is that correct? >> that's what it sounds like, so far, anderson, based on the president's remarks he is laying down, essentially another warning to democrats on capitol hill if they don't come to an agreement with white house officials on some kind of a way forward on a coronavirus relief bill, he is going to take executive action. he is talking about extending these enhanced unemployed benefits. an and, as well as, putting in place some kind of moratorium on evictions in this country. it's unclear how the president can do any of those things through executive action. which may be one of the reasons he didn't take those actions this evening. but it's worst pointing out the president was continuing to engage in this sort of magical suspension. he was talking about how the virus was

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sanjay gupta and dr. michelle wolinski, the chief of the division of infectious diseases at massachusetts general hospital. sanjay, i want to start with you with the to tp line number. we're up to nearly 166,000 at this point. the number is twice what we were seeing at the beginning of june. i know that deaths are a lagging indicator, but our daily case count hasn't dropped so much that i think that we can expect to see the daily deaths drop that much over the next week or two or month. >> yeah, i mean, that is the problem, john, i mean, we have seen this pattern happen over and over again, overall confirmed infections go up, a few weeks later, hospitalizations go up. and a few weeks after that, deaths go up. so we're seeing the ramifications of those significant spikes that we saw several weeks ago. you know, in several places around the country. i think there's a couple of concerns here, john. first of all, if you look at some of the models that look out to the end of the year, we're sort of predicting

sanjay gupta, is with me. sanjay, u.s. air travel is hitting a high now for the pandemic, according to tsa. there's a new study from europe, spread on a passenger flight. what's the significance of it? >> well, you know, we looked at this study, the one out of germany, anderson. it was from some time ago, back in march, where there wasn't a lot of mitigation measures, as you'll remember back then, anderson. i think people were trying to figure out just how to create the most safe environment, whether it be on a plane or in buildings. when you look at the data now, and i spent some time with the airline industry, actually went to these planes, looked at how to kind of prevent this. some airlines are trying to space out their passengers by keeping middle seats open, mask mandates on a lot of these airlines. that didn't exist back when this previous study came out and also, you know, anderson, it's important to point out the air filtration. we talk about how air moves and how the viral dynamic change as a result of that. insi

let me tell you where that comes from, sanjay.t is making this, in this particular case it happens to be moderna with the rna technology. we've already begun the contracting with the groups that make vaccine and we're proceeding in what's called at-risk. in other words, start to manufacture the doses of vaccine even before you know the vaccine is safe and effective. which is a financial risk. not a risk of safety. not a risk of scientific integrity. it's a financial risk. they promise us that they will have in 2021 at least a couple of hundred million doses of vaccine and maybe even by the end of the year of 2021 up to a billion. this is what they're telling us. i hope that that's deliverable. if it is, we're going to have what was just promised. >> a new study published today found that kids younger than age 5 have between 10 and 100 times more genetic material in their noses compared to older children and adults. it raises questions about how ease will i the virus may be spread by kids under 5. how much does that that concern yo

sanjay gupta is here. sanjay, i want to talk to you about scott atlas who is a radiologist, he's not an epidemiologist as far as i understand. first, sanjay, even though dr. fauci is calling a human vaccine trial plan d, how would that actually work? we talked about this before but just a reminder to our viewers. >> yeah, so typically what happens after you go through the first couple phases of a trail then there is face three which typically you get a lot of people, thousands of people and they either get the vaccine or a p placebo and follow them to see how they do. it requires thousands and thousands of people and the people who receive the vaccine may also not necessarily get exposed to the virus so you don't know did they not get the infection because of the vaccine or because they weren't exposed? with the human challenge trial, people are also getting the vaccine and then they are intentionally exposed. these are volunteers intentionally exposed to a consistent measurable strain of the virus. so you

sanjay gupta, cnn chief medical correspondent. sanjay, good to see you.ou also had a long chat with dr. fauci yesterday. so what is our takeaway this morning? >> i think the point that he's been making for some time is that we've never been able to get this really under control. even when some of these measures were put in, in march, they were -- they ended up being sort of half-measures. states did not fully shut down. we people were not compliant ultimately, fully about masks, some places better than others. there have been some bright spots, obviously, where you live in new york has been a bright spot. but that's not what the rest of the country looks like. i was talking to some sources late last night. if you look at the country overall, still about half the country wearing masks. that's an example. about half the country wearing masks, despite the fact that so in so many cities across america, the numbers continue to go up. you're getting some significant travel again. people really becoming possibly without wearing masks. the concern is that the vir

sanjay gupta. the discussion is over schools but the idea that a majority of parents aren't comfortable with it is revealing. and i think it's incumbent i think on the schools to make parents comfortable. >> yeah. i should add to that, you know, there hasn't been sort of a national policy on this, right? i mean, people have sort of had to figure this out on their own. i know we did. i know someone has to become an amateur epidemiologist and look at the data in their area. some school districts made the decision for the parents. 63 of the largest school districts will begin the school year virtually, but for a lot of school districts they had to make the choice. so we're getting a sense now of how comfortable they are or not comfortable. >> it's totally geographical too. if you're in a state that's red hot that we see on the map -- >> i think it's more partisan than geographical. our polling breaks it down. >> do they? do they break it down geographically? >> no, but partisanship, overwhelmingly the

sanjay gupta.his is our 20th cnn global town hall, coronavirus facts and fears, being seen around the world on cnn international, and streamed on cnn.com. >> 20 town halls in nearly as many weeks. our first was march 5th. the number of these special programs is a reflection of how persistent this virus has been. >> also, just how much we're still continuing to learn about this virus, about who is most susceptible, and what the best methods are to keep people safe until a vaccine becomes available. >> perhaps the biggest difference in the first town hall and this one, across the entire united states, we reported one death that day from coronavirus, just one. 12 total to that point in time. but just one for the day. tonight, more than a thousand deaths reported within the past day. the exact number, at least 1,077. >> if you look at the seven-day moving average of cases, you'll see that we are recording more than a thousand deaths a day since late july. less than half of what we saw in april, but twi

sanjay gupta. dana, dr. fauci today, he refused to comment on the safety of voting by mail saying he didn't want to be pitted against the president. perhaps that's understandable. but how problematic is it that he can't give the american public serious health advice without fear of potentially upsetting the president? >> it's very problematic. and the most remarkable thing is how he has been so adept at not answering but still very much signaling what he wants to say. i notice when he did the interview earlier this week with sanjay that sanjay asked him a question and he didn't answer it. and as he was not answering, he said i'm not going to say what you want me to say because i can't give that sound bite. he telegraphs what he can't say and when he's doing that, he's saying what he wants to say. the fact that he can't just say flatly what is plain as day, which is obviously voting by mail when it comes to medical safety, it of course is safer than going and standing online, even if you're socially distanced

sanjay gupta, who again interviewed dr. fauci today and former acting cdc director under president obama. he is currently president and ceo of the robert wood johnson foundation. sanjay, calling him the healthcare president. he still doesn't have a plan to battle this virus. and again, just saying that it's going to disappear, someday, hopefully soon. that's not a plan. >> no, it's not a plan. and, you know, i think the thing i was really struck by is that there's this tendency to want to hit the home run, right? everybody talks about the vaccine and, you know, the magical therapeutic. and everybody wants those sorts of things. most people do, anyway. but there are many things that can be done, should be done, now, that can make a big difference. you know, we have seen evidence of how well these things work in other places around the world. it may seem silly to talk about masking and physical distancing and avoiding large, crowded, indoor spaces. when the other part of the conversation is mrna vaccine. but these need to be

sanjay gupta. sanjay, we've talked so many times about this and i sense your patients thinning with the nation's response here. u understandable given your understanding on this. on a day with cases past 44.5 million in this country, the president once again goes to an event, doesn't wear a mask, no social distancing. how did we get here and how do we get out of this situation without presidential leadership, which doesn't appear to be coming? >> well, you know, as far as how we got here, jim, i think it's really, you know, the comments he just made. there is a systemic minimizing that's been deliberate of this disease since almost the very beginning. we lost more than a month of february where we basically ignored this and the virus continued to spread and it become more wide spread, we talked about doing less testing instead of more. there is ten times as many people who have been infected as we've counted. that's how we got here. the original sin is that we minimized this and didn't test as a re

sanjay gupta. i know the deaths are a lagging indicator which means that people get sick, they get hospitalized and they die. so we're seeing the results of things that may have happened two or three weeks ago, but with the daily case counts still at 50,000 is there any reason to believe that the death toll is going to drop precipitously any time soon? >> well, sadly, john, no. there's not. and, you know, you may have some fluctuations, ups and downs, but the overall trend we're starting to see this plateau again. you know, the lowest case count we've got, you may remember, john, was sort of a first couple of weeks of june, right around 17,000 to 20,000. that was the lowest. that was the best we had done in this country but we sort of been on the roller coaster ride since then. the problem, john, as well, you know this, is that these testing numbers are still so hard to interpret. you may have more tests that are going on in some places, fewer tests that are going on in other places and at the same

>> well, it's not going well, sanjay. you know, this is an experiment in trying to return to normal, when covid has made that impossible. and so, we are seeing students and employees testing positive. leading to quarantines, in places like georgia. i want to show you a picture that went viral. shared on social media. it's of a hallway in -- in a town in georgia. where you see a jam-packed hallway. not a lot of social distancing. and that's the issue. how much can students social distance in hallways, in classrooms, on buses? are they wearing masks? that is why you have something like over 60 people quarantined in one georgia county because of people testing positive. and over 100 students and staff quarantined in mississippi where several students and employees tested positive. so it's a real gamble here. >> that picture. wow. athena, thanks very much. today, we learned another 1.2 million americans filed for unemployment benefits for the first time. one of the difficulties of the current environment and how best safe pra

sanjay gupta. so sanjay, what does it mean that positivity rates, again, the percentage of people who test positive compared with the total number of tests given, significance of that have even as the total number of new infections is flattening out or plateauing in some states? >> right, right. so when you have high positivity rates, that basically gives you an idea that you're not catching all the cases out there. you're trying to figure out if you're -- somebody put it to me like this h.let's say you're fishing with a net and every time you put the net down you catch ten fish which would be a lot of fish each time. that would give you some indication that there's probably a lot more fish out there that you're probably missing so high positivity rates means there's a lot of more fish in the ocean that you're not catching. if you get positivity rates down low, then that means you're starting to do enough tests where you are catching most of the positive, most of the actually infected people out th

sanjay gupta. sanjay, we have talked so many times about this. and i -- and i sense your patience thinning with the nation's response here. understandable, given your understanding of this. so, on a day with cases past 4.5 million in this country. president, once again, goes to an event, doesn't wear a mask. no social distancing. how did we get here? and how do we get out of this situation, without presidential leadership, which doesn't appear to be coming? >> well, you know, as far as how -- how we got here, jim, i think it's really, you know, the comments you just made. i mean, there's been a -- there's been a systemic minimizing, that's been deliberate, of this disease, since almost the very beginning. we lost more than a month of february, where we basically ignored this and we know the virus continued to spread. and it's become more widespread, we have talked about doing less testing, instead of more testing. there's probably ten times as many people who have been infected, as we've even counted. so that's how we got here. the original sin i

sanjay, the health and human services today said the u.s.as seen the most historic advances in vaccine development over the last two week. we're on track for many, many doses of a gold standard vaccine by the beginning of the year. do you think this is really possible that there is going to be possibly some silver bullet solution? >> well, i think we are certainly making a lot of progress with the vaccine. i mean, and i keep asking, you know, this has been a big topic of conversations. i'm making calls about this all the time. frankly i was surprised at the enthusiasm i was getting from some of these hard core scientists about this because typically it takes a long time to make a vaccine. even dr. fauci today said look, we've had remarkable pace when it comes to innovation around the vaccine. two points though. we still don't have it and we've got to get data to actually show it works, early promising data. until we prove this works in large populations of people, old and young, people with pre-existing medical conditions, we won't know for

sanjay gupta. and some researchers created a test so you could analyze how effective the different mask options out there are. how did that test work? what were you looking for? >> so thank you for having me on. the basic idea was to use a simple, easily available laser and spread out that laser beam into a sheet of light and then have people under real circumstances, real people wearing masks speak into the beam and the small droplets they emit, too small to see, are still quite visible because of the light that they scatter from a laser. it's the same reason why the sky is blue from earth, but the sky is dark if you look from the moon. and doing that, we were able to figure out with multiple users and multiple mask types how many droplets were actually getting through the masks. and i would say that the bottom line is actually in many ways very good. we found that the standard cotton masks that many people are wearing really do a pretty good job with almost every design that we could look at. but

sanjay gupta and dr. jonathan reinner director of the cardiac cath lab who advised the white house medical team under george w. bush. sanjay, lindell was very open and said the meeting was to talk about this plant extract and he said the president was enthusiastic, which the president did seem to indicate today, although obviously not pushing it as a game-changer or a cure as he had with hydro hydroxychloroqui hydroxychloroquine. but there isn't any peer-reviewed anything on this. is there any science to support it? >> no. there's really not. i mean this sort of came out of nowhere. so here we go again with this type of story line, you know. there was one preprint, something that wasn't peer reviewed, looking at this substance with the virus in monkey kidney cells. so not humans, not in the body but rather in a lab in these particular cells that were from monkeys. and that was something that they said could potentially inhibit the virus. bleach inhibits the virus in a test tube. it really means nothing. s

sanjay gupta.own hall, coronavirus facts and fears, being seen around the world on cnn international, and streamed on cnn.com. >> 20 town halls in nearly as many weeks. our first was march 5th. the number of these special programs is a reflection of how persistent this virus has been. >> also, just how much we're still continuing to learn about this virus, about who is most susceptible, and what the best methods are to keep people safe until a vaccine becomes available.

sanjay gupta and dr. jonathan reiner director of the cardiac katherine lab at george washington university. he advised the white house medical team under president george w. bush. thank you both for coming on. sanjay, straight to it. there is a lot to talk about. today astrazeneca now announced it is the third company in the u.s. to start phase three vaccine trials as the head of the fda says his agency is willing to authorize a vaccine before phase three trials are over. is there any scenario in which you would be comfortable with that? a vaccine being released, authorized for use before the phase three trial is over? >> i don't really think so, pamela. you have to take this in a little context. this is the fda which unfortunately also issued an emergency use authorization for hydroxychloroquine with no evidence behind that. they issued an eua, emergency use authorization for convelescent plasma and fudged or really misrepresented the data behind that. there is some concern. looking at the specific requi

fauci and sanjay today. but dr. fauci was talking about how his family has received threats and how science is being politicized, how people are just discarding the science, the data, the numbers to back up what's actually going on here. how concerning is that in terms of trying to end this pandemic? >> well, it's deeply concerning because what is going to get us through this pandemic is science, its scientists and its people listening and taking their cues from science and scientists. what isn't going to get us through this pandemic is polarization, is politicizing public health messages. and i think the fact that we have not seen unfortunately a unified approach to communicating about this virus, the fact that masks, for example, have become a political symbol to many. what i learned during my time serving as surgeon general where we dealt with zika and ebola is that you can have the best scientists, you can have the best science, but leadership also matters here. and you've got to have your leaders from across pa

sanjay, to the point that dr. walensky was just making, one of the things i do want to say about the texas data -- and it's weird -- hospitalizations in texas are not going up, even as the positivity rate is going up. the hospitalizations aren't. so it's not that there are people so sick that we're not seeing that are going to the hospital, at least not yet. but sanjay, why do you think fewer tests are being administered in florida and texas? >> i think testing's, you know, it's been a problem all along. we've talked about this for months on this program. i think when i talked to admiral giroir about this, he basically said they're going to surge testing in hotspots. and you know, if there's other places in the country where they need more tests, they're going to start surging them in those areas, so they may be surging away from florida and texas right now. they shouldn't be, because obviously these are still places that are of concern. but we still have a testing infrastructure issue in this country. we're still

sanjay gupta. sanjay, thanks for joining us. one of the things is, is the administration ready.anjay, as a parent who's decided not to send their child to school, is the administration ready for the onslaught of schools and colleges being back? sanjay, what do you want to say to that? >> yeah. i mean, look, the idea of assurance testing, giving people some ashussurance that they don have the virus, i think you'd agree, admiral, and i sense your frustration, i think you'd agree we're nowhere near that yet. and it seems like you don't think that that's a good idea. but i do just want to come back to what i think is maybe the most salient point here, admiral, and i just want to make sure i understand. because i'm reading now what you said from before. and you said the winning strategy is to basically have quick testing of anyone who is symptomatic and any of their contacts. you just told pamela that you're doing a significant amount of asymptomatic testing. which is it, admiral? i'm a little confused. >> no, they're both. i have to look at the numbers, but it's something like 80 or

sanjay gupta, cnn, reporting. >>> thanks, sanjay for that report. dr. murphy is joining us. a former u.s. surgeon general, and adviser to the joe biden campaign. let's talk about what sanjay was reporting on. could this be another legacy of the covid virus, many more having problems for months, even years, down the road? >> yes, we are concerned about some of these stories we are hearing more and more from people with covid, stories that tell us the effects go beyond the first full weeks. in fact it lingers often for months. we're learning more organ systems are affected by covid-19. in the earlier months we thought it was primary a pulmonary disease, but it's turned out, as we have learned more, that we understood the heart is affected, kidneys are affected, nervous system is affected, and the list at any times to grow. it's one of the reasons it's so important we are cautious as we approach this disease. >> you know, doctor, another 1,029 americans died just yesterday from the coronavirus. >> i offered on twitter alternates while ago some perspective. in manage march, the

but first, sanjay, even though dr. fauci's calling human challenge vaccine trial, plan d, how would that actually work? we have talked about this before. but -- but just let's remind our viewers. >> yeah. yeah. so typically, what happens after you go through the first couple of phases of a trial. then, there is phase three which, typically, you get lots of people. thousands of people. and they either get the vaccine or a placebo. and you basically follow them and see how they do. the problem is you require thousands and thousands of people and the people who receive the vaccine may also, not necessarily, get exposed to the virus. so you don't know did they not get the infection because of the vaccine? or because they weren't exposed? with the human challenge trial, with the challenge trial, people also get the vaccine. and then, they are intentionally exposed. these are volunteers. intentionally exposed to a consistent, measurable strain of the virus. so, you know, for sure, they've been exposed. and you can tell, pret

sanjay gupta. what?!jay, this flies in the face of everything we've been talking about for months! why -- if john berman gets coronavirus, why wouldn't i need to be tested? >> yeah. yeah, you would. i mean, i know that this is -- this is confusing and it's unfortunate and, you know, we've learned these lessons and then we are going backwards, i think, in terms of things. there's a couple of things here. first of all, i realize this is confusing. one of the things we learned about this virus and this is very crucial. we can put these numbers up, is that there can be asymptomatic spread. i think most people who are watching sort of know this by now. but first, we've learned that there are a lot of people who are out there who are asymptomatic. 40% of infections are asymptomatic. connect the dots here. a lot of those people can still carry virus in their nose, in their mouths, and 50% of transmission occurs before symptoms. pre-symptomatically, or in people who don't have symptoms and never developed symptom

sanjay is with us. daniel dale, jim acosta. let's talk a little bit about the president, what he said about dr. birx. i want to refer specifically, dana, to your interview with dr. birx. she was very forceful in saying we're entering a new, much more dangerous situation right now as far as coronavirus is concerned. and he said that nancy pelosi, the speaker of the house, treated her very badly, dr. birx. he says he has a very good relationship with her. he just met with her. but he treated her very badly too in a tweet earlier in the day. he said crazy nancy pelosi said horrible things about dr. deborah birx, going after her because she was too positive on the very good job we are doing on combating the china virus, including vaccines and therapeutics. in order to counter nancy, deborah took the bait and hit us. pathetic. basically he's calling dr. birx pathetic, and he was saying that nancy pelosi treated her very badly. he's treated her very badly in this tweet today as well. >> yes. and regardless of who is treating whom bad

sanjay gupta. sanjay, i like dr. redfield's optimism about this.ean, he really believes that next week, we're going to see the death toll, that daily death toll that has been so stubborn at 1,000 or more, is going to really begin to drop. so how does he know that? >> well, you know, i think there's been this pretty consistent pattern that we've seen, with looking at the number of people who have been infected, sort of following that trend line. and we have seen the overall number of cases, newly infected people start to drop. we know that it was getting up into the 60, 70,000 range. now in the close to 40,000 range. and it's still, you know, incredibly high, right? it's still higher than the peaks in april. but it is dropping. so the question is, if that's the case, then we should see a corresponding decrease in hospitalizations, which we're seeing. as dr. mccarty mentioned last hour in florida and other places around the country and a corresponding drop in the overall number of people who are dying. the question is, and i think it's a very worthwh

sanjay gupta and dr. ashish jha director of the global health institute. sanjay, the question that we were asking was about these cases that are rising, the positivity rates in the nine cities. he does seem concerned that there are predictors that there should be reason for concern there. but he also said that we can bend it down, sanjay. what did you hear? >> yeah. no, i mean, he's been saying that i think for some time now and there's evidence of that around the world. there's clearly places as you have shown the graphs this morning, john, where places around the world have bent the curve down. some of them have upward trajectories similar to the united states. you know, we bent the curve down as well. the problem was we didn't bend it far enough and sort of got a little bored as we bent it down halfway. i think what's concerning, you know, you have the hot spots around the country that ambassador birx is identifying based on positivity. when we're looking at some of the polling data still in the country, people are becoming increasingly mobile. this is

sanjay gupta. sanjay, exactly what does this mean? producing a strain of the coronavirus to inject you intentionally, will it happen? >> well, i spoke to dr. fauci about that this morning. and this is a plan that they're keeping in their back pocket, sort of as a fail safe as he described. and the idea is that they're going to create a strain of the sars-cov-2 and they'll do it in the good manufacturing practice sort of way. and they're going to make a strain that's very consistent and one that they can control. meaning it won't be released into the environment. that's what dr. fauci is saying. they're going to have this strain. they have been working on it for the last couple of weeks, it takes a while to manufacture a strain like this. but they want to have this strain available to possibly use to expose people who have received the vaccine to get an idea of whether or not this vaccine works. this comes with a whole host of ethical issues. it is a plan "d" as in dog as dr. fauci sort of described it. what they would ideally do, the

sanjay gupta, cnn chief medical correspondent. hard to watch, sanjay, for many reasons. first of all, denying, saying south korea's cooking its books. number two, refusing to accept the number of deaths in the united states. it's really interesting to see how his mind works, either ignorance or deception. i'm not sure which one. >> yeah, and if you don't have an acknowledgment of how significant the problem is here, i think what's frightening, frustrating, scary, even, is that how are you going to solve the problem if you're not defining it? i mean, just look at the right side of the screen. we are not even 5% of the world's population, and we are 20% to 25% of the world's infections, 20% to 25% of the world's deaths. i'm not exactly sure what they were driving at. regardless of how you measure it, the united states is doing really poorly. and frankly, we don't even have a good measure in this country, right? because we're still not doing enough testing. as you know, there have been some projections saying, hey, if you look at the numbers in terms of overall cases in the

how concerning -- i mean, we talk talked about this with sanjay. it's just not the case. >> yeah. >> sorry, that was for dr. hotez. >> oh, sorry. >> it's all right. >> well, what i'll just say is, first off, congratulate dr. o'leary, american academy of pediatrics, putting out some very important documents about covid-19 in children. they're really important and i'd like to just congratulate dr. o'leary and his team on getting this out. yeah, i think they are responsible for quite a bit of of transmission in the community. we know this. we heard it from sanjay. the south korea study, kids over the age of 10. but now, we know even the little kids, they have lots of virus in their upper airway and their mouth and their nose. and even if they're not releasing as much virus particles, they're still accounting for some transmission. and the point is, anderson, we know what happens when we open up schools in communities where the virus is either accelerating or even if it's at a plateau, but at a very high level. this is true across the south, now. we've

sanjay gupta.to them it seemed clear they haven't had phase three trials. they're in fact just going to -- they say they have done phase one and phase two and they're just going to start injecting people with this, right? sanjay, we've lost your audio, i'm afraid -- >> can you hear me now? >> now i can hear you. >> sorry about that. so you're right. they're basically talking about trying to begin phase three trials. some of the other vaccine companies that we've been talking to, some of the people we've interviewed have started those trials already. so this is something they're saying they're going to start as well. but i think we would be right to be pretty skeptical, maybe even more so after that last interview, and here's why. even the phase one and phase two data has not been presented yet. i mean we are looking at -- we are looking for that early data to determine what is the likelihood that this is safe, what is the likelihood that it has what are called some efficacy signals, some signals th

sanjay gupta is with me. sanjay, this is not good news. about why the fda made this move? >> yeah. it's interesting, jake. we know that there's been a pretty low bar, if you will, for emergency use authorization, certainly up until this point. hydroxychloroquine, you remember that got eua with very little evidence. i think we're starting to see a little bit more of a shift there. a higher sort of caliber of evidence that's being required to get eua, again, emergency use authorization. that's not the same as getting approval which requires even more evidence but for this eua. with the blood plasma, which i will say i think there's still a lot of enthusiasm around what they said the evidence just isn't there yet. we're not seeing enough data in terms of randomized trials comparing patients who received this to patients who did not receive it. and really seeing is the plasma itself making a difference. there's another nuance here, jake, and that is that once you give an eua, it actually makes the trials the further trials harder to do. becaus

sanjay gupta, cnn chief medical correspondent. great to have you back.h is the one we watch more closely than any others, now says that by december we could reach 300,000 deaths, which is nearly double where we are today, which to me indicates, sanjay, that if we're not careful, this just

sanjay, thanks so much. dana bash, as well. >>> still to come, will there be a college football season? there may not be for big teams, ramifications. no matter the decision schools make, bob will be here to talk about it and top picks and when the announcement may come, more on that when we continue. try wayfair. you got this! ♪ ♪ perfect. -you're welcome. i love it. how'd you do all this? told ya! wayfair. let's talk dining tables. yes! blow it up. ♪ wayfair you've got just what i need ♪ >>> at the top of the program we mentioned a report for the children's hospital association about the sharp rise in coronavirus cases among children. president trump was asked about the report during his briefing. here is what he said. >> does that give you any pause about schools reopening for in person learning? >> no, because they may have, as you would call it a case, it may be a case but it's also a case where there is a tiny, it's a tiny fraction of death, tiny fraction and they get better very quickly. >> so you bel

sanjay gupta is with us. were listening to the precise words, what the president said and what the two experts alex azar and dr. stephen hahn had to say. what is your reaction? is this a huge breakthrough? >> well, it was a little confusing, wolf, to be honest. i don't think this is a huge breakthrough in the sense that as dr. hahn mentioned this convalescent plasma has been available and used under the expanded access programs so this is a therapy out there and correctly as mentioned has been used to treat every infectious diseases. the confusing part is as you know a couple days ago the fda put the brakes on an emergency use authorization, looking at the same data that came out of the mayo clinic and there wasn't a lot of randomized trials. right? you put some people in a group and they get the medication, another group of similar people don't get the med kaeication an compare them. if you don't randomize control, you don't know. we still don't have that data. what confused me, wolf, they said put the brake

sanjay, the w.h.o. today says that the progress made when you see cases dropping in places like the u.s. doesn't equal victory. they're talking about outbreaks coming, second surge type events. but the president obviously holding that event today with no masks, no social distancing. and vice president pence said this today to defend the administration's response. here it is, sanjay. >> i truly believe that when president trump suspended all travel from china before the end of january, that bought us an invaluable amount of time to begin work on a vaccine. >> sanjay, no vaccine yet, 175,000 people died from when that travel suspension happened until now. what's the vice president talking about? >> i think he's co-mingling two different issues here. you know, the travel ban and the vaccine really have nothing to do with each other. it is true that the work on the vaccine started early. there was a genetic sequence that was shared with the united states. we followed that story carefully. that was happening

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sanjay gupta. sanjay, as you heard, and as you know, a new projection from the university of washington's ihme model now forecasts 317,000 american deaths by december 1st. they say, though, that 67,000 americans could be saved if 95% of the american public simply wore masks. but at the white house last night, we saw a big crowd for the president's republican national convention speech. a few people wearing masks. we also saw a very large crowd gathered here in washington, the march on washington today. a lot of people were wearing masks today, but not everyone. and people were jammed in close together. how concerning is that to you? >> well, those are both very concerning scenarios, wolf. the virus doesn't care, right? the virus is the virus. it's just trying to find willing hosts, so in the middle of a pandemic, i think anytime you aggregate people together, it's a problem in terms of the virus being able to spread. as you point out, wolf, masks do make a difference. we know that now. if you look

sanjay gupta is here with us.hat's going on whether being folded under political pressure or morphing medical advise. it seems like it is under the thumbs of politics. >> anderson i heard your earlier eggme segment when they talkinged about a series of things that are unprecedented. i have never seen anything like this. i know the cdc and the fda, the center for disease control and preventions, the backbone of public health of this country and around the world and the food and drugs administration which is responsible for regulating a product for every 25 cents spent a dollar in america. both agencies are full of talented, brilliant people who do a great job day in and day out. there is something really wrong at the leadership level and there is something really wrong with the messages coming out. it could not be more of a dangerous time. we need to have the american public to trust science. we need to make sure that when and if we get a safe and effective vaccine that people can believe that it is safe and effect