shapley? >> generally any other investigation, if we have probable cause and we believe there's evidence in that location that could help prove our violations, we would executed that search warrant. >> so it was an unusual action. >> yes, congress woman. >> thank you. is it fair to conclude that this pattern of atypical and bewildering actions taken by the district attorney's office happen over the course of the entire investigation and not just one or two occurrences? >> that's correct. it was the pattern that drove me to come forward. that deviation from a normal process. >> if your opinion, did these odd atypical and bewilders actions bolster or harm the investigation? >> i believe they hurt the investigation. >> to our chairman. i would say that there's something rotten in the state of delaware. what has happened here with hunter biden would not have happened to other americans. this is totally unfair and i think it's very important that we get to the bottom of this investigation and find

shapley and mr. ziegler, you both testified about the fact that you've been subject to criticism, ridicule, public disclosure, perhaps menacing comments, because you come forward. is that correct? >> menacing comments? yes, sir. >> and you too, mr. ziegler. that must be a terrible feeling. and whoever does not, i think you would probably both agree, is doing it in service to you individually. you are simply doing your duty as you see the light. fair enough? >> yes. >> mr. ziegler. >> i am doing my duty. >> can you imagine how the district attorney in fulton county, georgia, must feel are the district attorney in manhattan must feel or the special counsel of the department of justice, mr. smith, must feel, when the very subject of an indictment or pending indictment takes to public rally and ridicules them by name, disparages them by name, characterizes them by name, putting them and their families at the same risk you're experiencing. it is said it's wrong for these anonymous people to criticize you,

shapley knows knows that, reporters at the washington post know that.ut if there were any sort of confidentiality deal you are released from that. so it's a brilliant strategy on the part of the whistleblower to say, hey, i was not the source and now put up or shut up. >> kayleigh: and remember washington post democracy dies in darkness doesn't it? so come out, where's your statement. that's your tag line. on to this tof course there was that landmark supreme court, not supreme court but district court decision on july 4th, big victory for freedom of speech. it showed the censorship of the biden administration barring the biden administration from coordinating with social media platforms, not evenly coordinating it was a shake down or a threat if you read the 155 page decision. what stuck out to me about all of this, so you have behind the scenes this 30-year-old keyboard warrior digital director named rob flaherty. imagine this sitting in the white house, 30 years old telling facebook, twitter, how to censor your speech, this 30-year-old. well, then yo

shapley? what do sensitivities involved with that search warrant. >> it is pretty clear is it a question but there's another searchch warrant on to touch onn my remaining section. i went have my tongue expired her. let me just say gentleman you are courageous for coming forward and let me ask you did your job to go with an oath? oxygen progressive have held that oath question. >> of you upheld that oath as your core principles hundreds were driven you too reveal the corruptions of witnessing your criminal investigations coming before congress today? >> yes it was. >> yes it was pickwick thank you mr. termini yield. >> very good paid the chair now recognizes mr. gomez for five minutes. garcia sorry. correct think it mr. chairman for it let's first zero in on the bottom line. what we have is to irs investigators who clearly worked very hard on the hunter biden investigation thank you both for being here today. you both gave recommendations your prosecutors based on your work what you describe to

shapley. yes or no. do you know the rate at which black taxpayers are audited as compared to taxpayers that are not black? >> no, i don't know. >> the answer is black tax pay ires are audited 2. 9 to 4.7 times the rate of nonblack taxpayers. another question for you, sir. yes or no. will this hearing help alleviate the racial disparity in the rates of the irs audits? >> that's not the topic -- >> no. >> will the yield? >> i'll yield the balance of my time to the ranking member. >> thank you kindly and for your excellent questioning and statement there. the chairman of the judiciary committee when he was here invited us to believe that the u.s. attorney for delaware had changed his tune or changed his story. but when you look at the letters he sent, he didn't change his tune at all. he said the same thing every time and expanded the answer to be perfectly clear. in his june 7 letter, he says "i have been granted ultimate authority over this matter including responsibility for deciding where, when and whet

she was named 53 times in shapley's testimony. again, hunter biden appears before a federal judge that may or may not accept this plea deal on july 26 in delaware. martha? >> martha: may not is an open question. we'll see what that judge decides to do. we know you're watching it closely. thanks, david. >> thank you. >> let's bring in mark lytle. great to have you back on the program. thanks for being here. as david reported, this is the third time that david weiss has come forward to basically argue against your whistle-blower clients' contentions. he said i didn't ask for special counsel designation. and i was told that i could bring this case in other places like d.c. or california, which were on the docket. >> first of all, martha. thanks for having me here today to talk about these issues. david weiss has been all over the map. he's now sent three letters to congress and each one of them contradicts the other one. it's time he comes forward and answers questions. gary shapley and the lead case agent probably sat for a combined

if you corroborate and you have shapley saying one thing and mr. x at the moment, until revealed, saying, i concur and i back up everything that he has said, but you weren't in the room. >> kayleigh: gary shapley supervisor signed off, you have a supervisor saying correct. >> mr. x is stating things and backing up mr. shapley with regard to a meeting he wasn't present on october 22nd. saying mr. weiss said certain things, it is shapley versus david weiss and whose word. >> kayleigh: we laid out and can put it back on the wall. the assistant da, that is what gary shapley was alleging, that doesn't mean it doesn't back it up. >> not saying it doesn't back up entirety, key part of this testimony is what was said or wasn't said by mr. weiss and mr x was not in the room and can't say who is right. it comes down to he said, he said, in that room on october 22nd, largely -- >> kayleigh: he is he said, they said, somebody else signed off on gary shapley's notes, it is they said versus he said. >> mr. x was not one and not present. >> kayleigh: backs up sto

shapley or mr. ziegler, throughout the investigation, what investigative steps that would have involved joe biden would you have liked to pursue but you were unable to? >> i guess in my testimony i talked about the atmosphere when we are interviewing witnesses and talking about specific areas were being the campaign that we were prevented, there was rolling eyes at us. i mean,, it was a very harsh environment to be in. >> and youne were directly turnd down as well. >> there were situations to where i was notot able to ask certain questions. >> so you were not able to lift the box and find out what's underneath. >> there were certain -- in our investigation you want to follow the facts. that's part of our job as you follow the evidence and work the case. >> i know that you were tipped off about the storage unit before you were able to actually searchwe it. can you say what you were looking f for because you've but up to this point and now you know there's a strong indication that there's something th

good morning, tristan. >> it's actually shapley.ell you quickly people might say he is shapely. >> that's a good line. tristan, he has made it very clear that the red line for him was back in october of last year when they're all sitting around and they are talking about what's going to happen and then the story got-came out in the "the washington post" that they have got the goods on hunter biden. and he will be charged very shortly. but mr. shapley said the red line for him was when david weiss at that meeting said, yeah, i would like to have special counsel status but i can't investigate outside and i'm not the decider. that really was why he divided to come out of the shadows, right? >> that's right. and that combined with the fact that the attorney general, merrick garland, had said before congress there will be no political interference in this and led the american people to believe that political appointees wouldn't have any decision-making in it. for weiss to say i'm not the deciding authority because in fact the district at

>> we have seen gary shapley. what we are going to see in addition, a longtime irs who is going to his face and name out there and says that he supports what gary shapley says. >> now to the biggest hearing yet. shannon, thank you. let's head to the hearing room. >> just six months, we've obtained thousands of pages of financial records. this includes bank records for biden family associates and suspicious activity reports generated by the bidens and their associates. foreign business transactions. what these records revealed is astonishing. the bidens created over 20 shell companies, most of which were created when joe biden was vice president. bank record so far show the biden family, their business associates, and the companies received over $10 million from foreign nationals and related companies. a lot of this money poured in while joe biden was vice president. despite creating many companies after the vice president took office, the biden family used associates companies to receive millions of dollars from f

shapley says his criticism of the justice department's handling of the case led to him being denied a promotion. here is what he told bret baier on fox news. >> we were conducting an investigation of hunter biden following the normal process, try to go get to the bottom of it, and ultimately if it was going to lead to another individual, we should follow that to determine what actually was happening. but there were definitely hindrances that i have never seen before in my 14 years concerning this investigation that didn't allow us to follow through on the investigation of any other individual to include president biden. >> but how does that square with exhibit b? when asked about the case, ag merrick garland said this. >> mr. weiss was appointed by president trump as the u.s. attorney in delaware and assigned this matter during the previous administration, would be permitted to continue his investigation and to make a decision to prosecute any way in which he wanted to and in any district in which he wanted to. mr. weiss has since sent a letter to the house judiciary committee confirm

shapley want to share. >> agent shapley could not sleep at night if he didn't come forward tell about of this case. and as you know october 7, 2022 when u.s. owner weiss told him and other executives from fbi the irs, that he was not the deciding person on when charge were to be brought against hunter biden was red line meeting, he felt he would never live with himself if he didn't come forward after that so you are go you and american public are going to hear him, and lying agent from irs testify today, about the faction surrounding that cross-examined by democrats and republicans. but the american public will weigh his credibility i think believable, credit i believe. >> what kind of pressure is he favorable mark i know that there is an effort to try to quiet this down, i mean, in the middle on the day that -- a reporter was testifying about what happened with fbi and twitter, they showed up at his house, from the irs, that is matt taibbi what pressure p has mr. shapely been faced with isolated at irs a supervisor in elite squad intbl agents really good at what they do 12 agents, bu

shapley and mr. x's testimony.ng investigation, dragging your feet, letting statute of limitation expire, there is testimony of two brave whistleblowers, you have evidence from the fbi itself that backs up their story. >> carley: we'll be listening to testimony from the two whistleblowers today. republicans can subpoena anybody. will we get to a point where the oversight committee subpoenas hunter or joe biden himself? >> i think that is possible, i lean on the chairman. they know what they are doing. both judiciary and oversight have done more in six months than these law enforcement agencies have done in six years. i think we are in a good spot continuing to let the facts dictate next steps. we will follow their lead, we are providing transparency for the american people. >> todd: whistleblower x is calling on an investigation. don't we have a special counsel somewhere operating in complete silence investigating joe biden,ie, other cases? seems like jack smith is bringing indictment after indictment after indictm

as we're suggesting here, gary shapley has laid out a bill of particulars.s interfered with, he's got five, six different things that really deserve an answer, probably are not going to get an answer. so the republican members of congress will keep asking these questions, and what that means is that this subject is going to stay out there drip, drip, drip, eroding, i think, support for joe biden. i mean, this isn't just about the fact that his son had some problems. his son was using his name explicitly to do business9 with the chinese and the ukrainians. and i think that troubles people. and over the long term, biden's got public support program -- support problems as it is. this could gradually rode it to the point where there are voters who will go -- let's say trump is the nominee on the republican side. they'll say i can't vote for trump, but, you know, i cannot bring myself to vote for joe biden. i just will pull back. and that would erode and suppress biden's turnout if this subject stays public, and i think it will. paul: kim, where are house republi

shapley, one of the irs whistle-blowers was in. mr. shapley said that mr. weiss said that he tried to bring charges in washington d.c. but was denied. however, the attorney general of the united states, merrick garland said that mr. weiss, the delaware u.s. attorney has complete authority and there's no one above him. so there's five other people in that meeting. they need to come in. we need to ask them face-to-face and get down. we're going to continue, martha, to follow the facts and see where they lead. that's what we've done the last several weeks in this investigation. it's been quite unbelievable of the stuff that we've been uncovering. >> martha: these investigations have been fruitful to say the least in the last several weeks. it's interesting. a lot of people push back on jamie comer saying he didn't have the goods and he kept insisting that he did. now we have seen the 1023 that is a confidential human source that suggests a bribery happened between the burisma ceo about two members of the biden family. so there's a lot to dig into they're and c

shapley, under u.s. stacks law, taxes owed on all income received from legal service sources, right? >> yes. >> hypothetically, if a person subject to u.s. taxes receives 1 million dollars for serving oil company, those taxes on that 1 million, and what is 38%? correct? >> through u.s. taxpayers, yes. >> to declare the receipt of such income violate u.s. tax bill, correct? >> yes, it would. >> to paying the tax own in a timely -- violates the tax, code correct? >> yes, it does. >> and the tax code has criminal and civil penalties for violations, correct? >> that is correct. >> in a hypothetically, a person received 1 million dollar payment, and it conveys 10% of that amount to another person, that person making that payment may have to pay a gift tax on that amount, correct? >> if they face the gift, yes. conversely, the person receiving the money has to pay income tax on them, as well correct. >> on the gift portion, -- >> they would have to report the gift on their tax returns. i don't believe the taxe

shapley, they knew that would be utterly ridiculous.y focused on donald trump and it was disgusting. no talk about the money that hunter biden, jim biden and joe biden were taking from foreign countries and didn't acknowledge the fact there was international pay for play scheme going on with the biden family. they only want to focus on donald trump and i think it is indicative of what is going on with jack smith and merrick garland right now, it is funny these two whistleblowers come forward today and all of a sudden there is a new indictment with donald trump going on. there are serious problems at the department of justice and it will take house republicans to get to the bottom of it. >> laura: one moment jamie raskin was trying to argue that hunter biden actually received -- i was howling when i watched this, actually received tougher treatment from the irs. i think we have the sound bite. >> the fact hunter biden faced a four-year criminal probe involving dozens of agents and prosecutors from irs, fbi, u.s. attorney office, doj tax

shapley is saying you told us the time you didn't have the power. how do you sort this out? did the american public learn the truth? >> reporter: gary shapley said he was in those meetings, contemporaneously recorded it in e-mails. of the people in those meetings might be able to answer the question. also remembered david wise now set in communications with jim jordan on the hill, the chairman saying i am open to having conversations with you to discussing this further, the doj will work with the committee to work on a timeline. you have to hear from him. he can explain or rebut what gary shackling has said but others who were in that room might need to come before the committee and explain as well if it gets to that because there were witnesses, there were other people in this e-mail chain who said yes, that is how the meeting went down. the truth has to lie in their somewhere. a very very positive thing that david wise seems open to having conversations in the committee, and other interview, he's got to be the one to clarify where these sides do not match up. will: as you

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shapley put it in an email and sent it to his boss.re the key people we want to talk to in addition to the sol talked about in your first segment assistant u.s. attorney leslie wolf, other folks we need to speak to. we are working on making that happen as we speak. >> laura: all right. congressman. thank you. and now it's tonight's profile in courage. meet texas congressman greg zay sore, a new member of the squad and yesterday he did what was now thought to be physically impossible. he ate breakfast and dinner but he skipped lunch. holding his own thirst and hunger strike. he claims he is doing so because texas just passed a law regarding water breaks for construction workers. of course, that was a lie. it merely was a law that keeps local jurisdictions from going beyond state and federal osha safety requirements that are already in effect but don't let that distract you from his remarkable sacrifice. here he is moments before embarking on this perilous journey the hunger must have been gripping him, taking his last sip of water. refr

every no cases to deal with the same thing with shapley it said a month earlier. >> i have been told i'm credible because i'm a democrat, because i'm married to anna i will tell you i'm credible i'm credible because of my experience. i have a lot of experience in investigating foreign transactions and fraud and people who aren't paying their taxes. he said i'm compelled to tell the truth even though i'm risking my career and reputation and existing case work. he said no one should be above the law even those with particular political affiliations that's what we learned from these two whistleblowers. special treatment for the bidens above the law and can do anything and the doj will have their back. >> steve: that's what it comes down to, it looks like the irs is going to hire 20,000 more employees over the next two years i hope they are all like these guys. they are. >> ainsley: outstanding. >> steve: straight out of central casting. they were unwavering in the fact that they said hunter biden simply going got a presidential deal they thought everybody was on the same page. they real

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shapley's lawyer is starting by along with jonathan turley. first to justice correspondent david spunt, live at the doj. good afternoon, david. >> hi, trace. good afternoon. two hours and counting until david weiss has to meet this deadline for house republicans to answer questions about the hunter biden probe. i think we can say with confidence he won't meet the deadline. the reason we can say this with confidence, he said so himself in a letter to republican house judiciary chairman jim jordan late last week. i want to read party of it. this is from weiss to jordan. he said -- >> in his letter last friday to jordan, the donald trump appointed u.s. attorney quoted a prior letter from june where he wrote -- clear cheer. >> a few weeks later, trace, how judiciary chairman jim jordan wrote to weiss asking him who told him to sign that letter. jordan doesn't believe that weiss called the shots in the probe. he think us it was doj. jordan believes this based off of the testimony of irs whistle-blower shapley who investigated the hunter biden tax p

shapley on the left.n the right, joseph ziegler, he said he is existing his career, but compelled to tell the truth. he said, no one is above the law. he said, i was told i must be credible because i'm married to a man and i'm a democrat, my credibility comes from my experience at the irs. he's assigned to an elite team of 12, international crime, tax evasion and fraud. he said, what was happening with the biden family, i couldn't get behind and this investigation was blocked. >> brian: as much as you should keep your eye on david weiss, they won't appear together. keep your eyes and ears open for leslie wolf. she said, i tipped off the biden family and i told you don't ask to go into the laptop, it will take too many approvals. she told shapley, informed the laptop would not be provided and not to do anything about the family, only focus on hunter and when it came to hunter's international business dealing, it was stopped. the foundation, james galar, rob walker, devin archer and hunter biden. we watched

shapley?>> no, that is not supported by the facts. >> really. which fact is that not supported? by >> his old emission in a meeting which i documentary contemporaneously. -- >> but he contradicts what you are saying. he does not agree with what you were saying about the meeting. i was not at that october 7th 2022 meeting. what was said at the meeting over two and a half years ago maybe a little ambiguous are unclear today. mr. weiss's letter to chairman jordan could not be more clear. he says, quote, ultimate authority over this matter, including responsibility for deciding where, when, and whether to file charges. so, if there is any ambiguity, it has to go to u.s. attorney weiss, donald trump's handpicked u.s. attorney for delaware. i yield back. >> the gentleman yields back. we now recognize chairman smith. >> can i say something real quick on that. i have two things i wanted to bring up. so, there are a lot of different tax cases out there that include misdemeanors and felonies. there are

so now he says i don't have full control of this, according to shapley in real time, and then on that he had to say was, oh, i could if i wanted to, but you can't. because the attorney generals did not give you permission. so you can't do it if you wanted to, which he does not -- at one point he's got to testify and answer that question. >> steve: in the same letter brian where he said i could have done it if i wanted to, i could have requested to be a special lawyer, not special counsel but special lawyer is what he wrote to jim jordan but he did not want to because he said he still had full authority. and going forward he said, you know, ultimately it's going to be up to the judge in delaware on july 26th to either accept or reject the plea deal. >> kayleigh: so weiss stone walled jim jordan didn't give him the docs, what did jim jordan do? he can hold him in contempt of congress, jim jordan should call in the six people with weiss and he should say us attorneys that didn't bring the cases in dc and california, get before congress. >> brian: right. because he did not have full power

he also got gary shapley to admit that he never said that merrick garland lied to congress.that is a right wing talking point. there is always a timeline problem, and this happened with the twitter files, too, where i heard all about that pesky biden administration that wanted to censor everyone and then it turned out that the dates didn't align and that it was the trump administration. so, ziegler's testimony -- and there are mainstream news outlets that are posting snippets of his testimony, not admitting the fact the irs investigators, when they were talking to appointees in the doj about going forward, were trump appointees. it was bill barr. david weiss, also a trump appointee. it's true. he said he was someone who shared his vision for making america safe again. >> jesse: blocked from bringing felony charges on terigo separate -- >> jessica: he sent another letter saying -- >> jeanine: at the time they made contemporaneous notes that are very important -- >> jessica: because mr. x, ziegler, wasn't even in the meeting that he is talking about between shapley and david w

shapley. seems very, very credible. he sure does. >> i watched that interview wese did on "special reportnd a" andn mean, i was blown away by what he said. now, congressman colmer todayrea in the u.s. attorney's office fon, and on r southern districtf new york, they announced charges agains york.t gal luft,n who claims to have provided the fbsti with informationtion on the biden family's business dealings i on n, china.s not he says he's not a republican or a democrat. demod about concernea r a potential president of the united states having such an conflict or perhaps be compromised. so, congressman comer, your reaction to the timing of that indictment? imin >> the timing is always coincidental, according to the democrats at the department of justice. look, here's what i know about go look, he was getting paid like the bidens from cfc. we want to speak with everyone we s who was also on the payroll of cfc, like the bidens and anyone who says we shouldn't take this alleg allegation seriously. this gives the facn t thatt

sat down phone are interviewed and confirmed portions of shapley's testimony. raskin said the opposite. comer secretly -- clearly political on both sides. hunter biden will be in court one week from tomorrow in wilmington, delaware to enter his plea. >> bill: a lot of reaction already. hang with me a moment. kevin mccarthy is reacting to it. marjorie taylor green saying it is absolute b.s. in other words. this is the only way the democrats have to beat trump is to arrest him, smear him, charge him with ridiculous, useless charges. the reaction is starting to pour in immediately after that email went out from the former president. thank you, david. we're watching all of it especially wednesday afternoon. thank you. >> women are dropping like flies in portland. a serial killer's dream come true in a no police zone. >> sandra: nancy grace on a potential serial killer in portland, oregon. why the governor's soft of crime is facing criticism. >> bill: hitting the wrong note. the country music star miranda lambert raking her fans over the coles with how they behaved

the attorney for the other whistle-blower, gary shapley joins me in just a moment. first to rich edson live on this story for us at the top of the show from the white house. hi, rich. >> good an, martha. the white house calls this investigation this hearing, the other investigations into the president's son, hunter, all part of partisan politics. the white house spokesperson says about this, instead of wasting time on politically motivated attacks on a trump appointed attorney, the rule of law and the independence of our justice system, house republicans should join president biden to focus on the issues most important to the american people. the republicans say yesterday's hearing with the i.r.s. whistle-blowers showed justice department officials slow-walk the inquiry in to hunter biden and kept hunter's lawyers in the loop about their investigation. the justice hamstrung trump-appointed attorney david weiss that is officially in charge of the investigation. >> the whistle-blowers testified under oath that they were told to stand down. i was merrick garland the pe

one whistleblower is shapley and the other is not known. these guys when they come forward, seems like their lives are ruined. the fbi agents that came forward got destroyed, raids on their house, shapley doesn't get a promotion. what message is out there? you want to do the right thing, you think this type of retri retribution, is it worth it? >> steve: i believe the irs whistleblowers got whistleblower protection. i hope we will be able to see some much the hearing in front of the house oversight tomorrow. archer sued, long-time business barn of biden. if anybody knows joe's involve m ment, what is the president involved with, how much did he make and not pay taxes on? devin archer would know that. will he give it. >> steve: stay tuned. 10 days ago u.s. supreme court struck down the biden student loan forgiveness program. they said you need authority from congress to do it. they were using the heroes acts, which is for members of military or firefighters after 9/11. biden administration applied that to everybody else. on friday, they anno

jordan believes this based off of win shapley's temperatures.nd shapley has been on the record numerous times and insists that he say david weiss in a meeting complain that he was not in charge of the probe and also was not able to charge in other districts. >> i even had him repeat that because i knew how important that fact was and i wanted to make sure i understand it. >> david weiss said i would be granted 515 authority in the direct of california or any other place where charges could be brought in this matter. weiss made it clear in his le letter that he will talk at the appropriate time. a trump-appointed just judge has to sign off on this. so far there's no indication she has any questions or concerns. trace? >> trace: david spunts live in the doj. let's bring in california republican darrell isa. congressman, great to have you on. this is the "new york post" writing yesterday, weiss chose the friday before the long holiday weekend to publicly admit one that he never had the power to charge hunter for most of his alleged crimes and two,

less than a month later gary shapley knight met with mr. pretty stated he agreed with us regarding the 2014 at 2015 tax year up misdemeanor and felony charges. this could somehow affect the later year misdemeanor felony charges he conveyed were stronger. despite these facts the plea deal that's being discussed occurred to this day i do not have a reason why that occurred. but from myy perspective this might not have been problematic had the investigation be handled in the ordinary course. fast, as i previously testified and is contained in my written testimony i've outlined for use in instances in which a signed prosecutors did not appear to follow the normal investigative process. slow walk the investigation put in place on necessary approvals and roadblocks and efficiently investigate the case. a number of times were not able to comment the facts. i'm happy to respond to questions concerning these instances. six, the u.s. attorneys in delaware he has a similar power to that of a special counsel in this case a free reign to do as needed. i

whistleblower gary shapley. lindsey graham was talking with sean last night and had a lot of questions about this. listen to his questions first and turn it over to you. watch. >> here is what i do know. that i don't trust the system to tell me the truth. i want to know what happened, who did you talk to dismiss the allegation? how did you dispose of this allegation? i this for 1,000% for sure. the f.b.i. and other department of justice officials briefed mr. weiss and his team about the 1023. they were told by other people in the department of justice this is not russian disinformation you need to look at it. >> bill: a handful of questions. can you answer any of them for us in our audience, sir? >> well, mr. weiss most recent letter to congress. he sent three. none of them have clarified the situation, just sewed confusion. his most recent one relies on this distinction between his authority that he may have asked for as a special attorney as opposed to special counsel and relies to claim that this i.r.s. whist

hunter's attorney described this as an illegal leak with no evidence you that shapley was the source of the leak. that's what they allege, anyway. so his lawyers are fighting back, sending a letter to, "the washington post", demanding that they set the record straight on allegedly and defamatory statements made by hunter's legal. and intimidation has become the go to plan for the hunter's team. as kim strassel of the wall street journal notes, quote, hunter biden adopted a legal strategy of threats and character assassination. the real targets of hunter lawyer, hunter's lawyer, lawyers were the whistleblowers themselves. and the letter is filled with inaccuracy and innuendo. so joining me now discuss more of this, the details is jason foster, the attorney for iris's war, gary shapley. so, jason, you know, fox had a digital reached out on wednesday to a representative for, "the washington post" asking them, you know, why are you accusing your your client of being this source of what they say is, an illegal leak and they don't want to comment on their sourcing. so what's your next of a

shapley also claims he was prevented from taking steps that could have tied president biden from hisnvestigation. shoply testified, the us attorney who led the investigation into hunter biden was unsuccessful into persuading federal prosecutors to bring charges against him and weiss was to be special counsel and weiss has denied this. whistleblower x, comer claims whistleblower x has given gales biden's alleged crimes and tomorrow americans will be able to hear it trace. >> trace: could be fascinating. matt thank you. >> reporter: sure. >> vice-president biden there has been questions about the work your son has done in china and ukrainian energy company. in retrospect was anything about those relationships inappropriate or unethical? >> nothing was unethical. >> hunter biden's business associates sent over a million to three of your family members. any reaction to that? >> just not true. >> reporter: let's bring in house oversight committee james comer, congressman great to have you on. the denials have been going on for quite some time. i want to draw your attention to something th

shapley mr. ziegler very clear we will see what this judge does i don't think this stunt at least if reporting stunt tried yesterday i don't think that is going to help chances of this going forward we have to wait and see what the judge does. maria: great point that you make that we didn't have the whistleblower testimony we may not have had the bank records as well. will the judge and an what their looking at with regards to hunter biden? i have bn asking since this happened how judge doj prosecute tax not wade on income not a gift where it came from. >> that was reason chairman smith sen testimony, transcripts to the court so court would have that could examine that filed amicus what they are trying if you can believe what is reported about folks in biden team trying to get that withdrawn that is trying to keep from the court, again, that is pretty valuable everyone saw testimony last week how credibly they were fbi ask was deposed by committee a week ago monday confirmed so many things that m

shapley's lawyer is starting by along with jonathan turley.ustice correspondent david spunt, live at the doj. good afternoon, david. >> hi,.

attorneys for the whistleblower gary shapley are asking the post to confirm their client was not a source for an article published last year. they also said this. >> these attacks are meritless, baseless, and we're watching to defend our client. we wish the press wouldn't cover these attacks when they are baseless and they know they are baseless. >> bill: let's bring in jonathan turley. nice to have you on and good morning to you. i just want to remind viewers from a week ago weiss, the prosecutor out of delaware, sent a letter to jim jordan and he seemed to outline his defense in four different parts. you have seen that letter. do you have questions about the letter or do they satisfy you? >> no, there is nothing to be satisfied with because there is no answers in the letter. what weiss is saying i was given this authority but doesn't deal with the specific allegations of these whistleblowers. we have numerous witnesses and other witnesses who are named in these accounts who were present at a meeting where weiss allegedly said he tried to become a special counsel and was decide and told

host: gary shapley with another irs whistleblower on capitol hill yesterday testifying.he article from "the wall street journal," doj hampered, irs employees say republicans have accused the justice department of giving hunter biden leading treatment by allowing him to plead guilty to misdemeanor chat -- tax charges in a chance to avoid prosecution on a separate offense around a gun. a judge is set to decide whether to sanction the deal that would likely mean no prison time for hunter biden at a july 26 hearing and delaware. july 26, coming up here shortly. ted, north carolina, republican. ted, your turn. caller: i believe in donald trump. he's not guilty. they don't tell that biden with alzheimer's. his wife uses it. it comes out. telling john kennedy. host: what about the hearing yesterday? caller: it's one-sided. they want to blaine trump but trump had nothing to do with it. joe biden is guilty of all this. host: guilty of what? caller: money. host: money? taking money? how do you know? where's the evidence? caller: forgiveness sake, it's all over 12 different countri

joining me now is tristen left, the irs whistleblower, gary shapley's attorney.aw him sitting behind the whistleblowers today. it was a long day. tristen, i know you just wrapped up. this was all said under oath. criminal theft of lying to congress. that's a big, big no-no. so, what would any whistleblower at this point, given what's happened, gain from exaggerating or telling untruths before congress? given everything that we have seen happen to any whistleblower who doesn't happen to be, you know, trying to go after trump? >> absolutely nothing. and the crazy thing for gary particularly is, again, he is the head of this elite unit, 12 agents report to him from the around the country. credit swiss. he has zero reason to try to risk his career other than the truth and his conscience. >> laura: what one democrat congressman said about your client. >> what they are basically saying is that david weiss is a had liar. david weiss will have to defend himself. but i think we would find it very odd that these are the guys telling the truth and david weiss, someone who h

to hand down indictments. >> so the prosecutors are the ones that make the decisions >> reporter: shapley also testified that david weiss, the federal prosecutor in delaware who handled the investigation said he didn't have the authority to decide whether the charges were filed >> the story has been changing from department of justice and u.s. attorney weiss. >> reporter: weiss, a trump appointee has sent multiple letters to congress disputing that the white house reiterated the president was not involved in his son's business dealings and blasting the hearing >> focus is continue to do political stunts, that's what they want to do, but that's not what the president is focussing on >> our thanks to ryan for that report >>> we want to turn to that mystery in north korea new details are emerging about the american soldier who joined a tour group and made a dangerous sprint across the demilitarized zone into kim jong un's territory brie jackson joins us from d.c it look like this soldier had legal trouble in south korea before this happened >> reporter: that's correct. he a few run-ins with

we will hear test money from jerry shapley and one whose identity will be revealed for the very first time. >> john: whistle-blower x. they allege that the doj, fbi, and irs into proved with the probe related to present biden. >> sandra: they have shot down any claims of political interference. >> john: he's got on the record three times to say that he was always in charge but that is not enough for congress. they are seeking a sit down interview with hunter biden prosecutor will they get one? we will ask moments for now. >> sandra: but live at the justice department for us. david, what we expect to hear from the whistle-blowers testimony? >> to put it bluntly sandra and john, a story of privilege and roadblocks. that's what we will hear from mr. x. we will know his identity publicly on wednesday. as far as david weiss is concerned, he will sit down and to a transcribed interview we just don't know when. it's unlikely it will happen before hunter biden issues that plea or submits his plea formally to court because that is just next wednesday at july 26th. it will happen sometime. i sp

the key here seems to be shapley has evidence. he has notes, he has other witnesses, nancy. >> wel >>l, he does will he has emails as well. but i think the bottom line here is that doj has no desire theithe truth to come out, and they are showing their contempt for the congrescs and certainly for this committee by refusing to honor the deadlineby the, because, of course, they know that if. inapley i mean, if david weiss refuses to honor the deadline and come in and, tell them what he said and revise his letter and it's wrong, then doj. is accountable for that. and how do you hold doj accountablhow do y hold doe when accountable to itself or to the whministrationta that has every reason to want to protect what's been going on sino far in the biden and the hunter biden case? >> and just help me make sure i understand casep correctly if weissif comes in and then he has to submit himself in the face of that evidence that, no, he didn't make the ultimateidence,l that it went somewhere else. we have to begin the rabbit hole investigatio

x also says he was not present at the october 2022 meeting where shapley sad u.s.orney david weiss claims he was not in control of the hunter biden investigation. that's shapley's word against weiss's. weiss has denied it. raymond arroyo, fox news contributor. reaction to all of that. all heading into a big showdown tomorrow. >> you bet. what we're seeing -- it is interesting when you see this news coupled with the story you just report evidence with the d.o.j. targeting donald trump. what we are seeing, sadly, is these government institutions being weaponizeed against a particular opponent or party. i don't care what ideology, democrat, republican, independent. every american should be decrying what we're seeing here. what is coming out of this oversight committee. it is a pattern of the government in this case f.b.i. agents told stand down, wait, i.r.s. agents waiting outside of hunter biden's house and told don't go in. you can't go in. if this whistleblower is to be believed. now a second whistleblower confirming that. in fact, they brought in a superviseor fro

whistleblower for gary shapley. you heard the democratic lawmaker questioning about the whole claim about the a-team. james comer gave these two witnesses that title. if he is right, how are they the a-team on the inside of the i.r.s.? >> these are extremely credible investigators. gary is the superviseor of a unit of 12 elite agents around the country to investigate into national tax crimes. the other whistleblower whose identity will be revealed today. a case agent for the hunter biden case. i spoke with both individuals. obviously they just are very, very professional and credible and excited for the american public to see that. it will become evident these are the folks the i.r.s. put at the tip of the spear to find international conspiracies. >> sandra: they say let the whistleblowers do the talking. what should they be asked this afternoon? >> well, the thing that will be most helpful is for them to just gauge the credibility of these individuals. gary and the other whistleblower brought a lot of information f

gary shapley and joe ziegler charging they were stopped from pursuing the truth on biden family crimes >> our investigation was constantly hamstrung, limited and marginalized i by doj officials as well as other u.s. attorneys. i still think that a special counsel is necessary for this investigation. >> delaware u.s. attorney's office and department of justice handling the hunter biden tax investigation was very different from any other case in my 14 years at the irs. at every stage, decisions were made that benefited the subject of this investigation. i can say that there were investigative steps that involved president biden that were not allowed to be taken. maria: this comes as iowa republican senator chuck grassley released an fbi document this week alleging joe and hunter biden coerced the ceo of burisma to pay them for getting the ukrainian prosecutor who was investigating the energy company fired. the fbi document claims that that burisma's vino told the confidential human source that it cost $5 million to pay one biden and another $5 million to pay the other biden. joining me r

. >> reporter: joseph ziegler, who came forward publicly for the first time, and gary shapley pointed to the evidence they say they collected, which they viewed as damning and the skeptical response they say they received from the prosecutors involved. >> i'm here to tell you that the delaware u.s. attorney's office and department of justice handling the hunter biden tax investigation was very different from any other case in my 14 years at the irs at every stage decisions were made that benefited the subject of this investigation. >> reporter: but democrats on the panel were quick to push back, pointing out, it is the job of prosecutors to make the call to hand down indictments, not investigators. >> well, that's standard investigators and prosecutors do this all the time, right? i mean, and so the prosecutors are the ones that make the decision >> reporter: shapley also testified that david weiss, the federal prosecutor in delaware who handled the investigation, said he didn't have the authority to decide whether the charges were filed. >> the story has been changing from department