i said to david who helped me a lot in the snowden.icely detained in london at one point as part of that reporting. i just said to him well look, you know, we've already been through this once before so we're gonna have this advantage that we've gone through this and they haven't and david said no, i think you're really thinking about this incorrectly the last time we did it the people angry at us the government's angry at us were thousands of miles away on the other side of an ocean. whereas this time the government that's going to be angry at us is literally right on the corner and this is gonna be much more dangerous and much more difficult. and much more and much riskier. and at one point even kind of joked and said god can't they get anybody other than you to get these archives? why does it always have to be you because obviously our life was turned upside down during the snowden story any new it was about to be again. so yeah, i definitely for me. it was deja vu but he was, you know, trying very hard to get me to see that this is

edward snowden contacted me near 2012 and said he had a large batch of documents and we got that reported. >> how did he get a hold ofu y? m?did you have any previous conversations? >> he had been a reader of mine for years. particularly critical during the bush years to be close to or differential to. he knew at the time most of us didn't that they were spying on our communications domestically and he contacted me with a pseudonym and was reluctant to say much so installed encryption technology. it took a while for us to establish our relationship because of that. he told me he had gone to hong kong with a batch of documents he'd taken from the nsa and wanted to work with me and i said before you do i need you to prove to me that there is validity to what you're saying and he said i will share a tiny portion of the documents into the first and there had been a leak of any kind. i called the guardians which i did when we started the reporting. did you ever visited with him in russia? >> i did visit with him in 2016 may be two or three years after the reporting. he never wanted to be in ru

ed snowden can be breaking the law but there is a place in the world for people like that. without people like that, investigative journalists can't do their jobs. it's the bread and butter of what it means to be an american. that right to report what someone tells you is being fundamentally it's in jeopardy right now. in our case with the fbi. they are trying to take that right away from us. right now. i had the aclu lawyers in my office last month telling me and by the way, they are defending us. the aclu is writing to the judge trying to unseal the warrants that are against me. they said this is never happened in american history. what's happening to you has never happened before to any journalist. now they're starting point guns at us. and take our notebooks. i admire people like edward snowden, julian assange, mike wallace. i don't know what is happened. i don't know why the billion-dollar corporations are doing the job. his left scrappy broke entrepreneurial enterprising people but so be it. >> james o'keefe project veritas and of the author of this book american muck

but i still kept that sinker there and the recording for which i best became known is when edward snowden contacted me in 2012 and said he had a large batch of documents he wanted to give me and we did that report. >> how did he get a hold of you? did you have any previous conversations with him? >> he had been a reader of mine for years and what attracted him to meet not so much because of my views on privacy and surveillance although those aligned with his but i had always, id, a vocal media critic and was particularly critical of the media propensity during the bush years to be too close to and deferential to us security went rather than have them. with him and he found that an important attribute so he emailed me out of the blue, i had no idea who he was and he knew at the time the nsa was surveilling both of our key medications and he contacted me with a pseudonym and was very reluctant to say much about who he was or what he had heard for obvious reasons so i had an located encryption technology and it took a while for us to establish our relationship because of that and once i was

people like julian assange and snowden and manning are devoted to the idea that in a democracy it iscessary to relearn not everything but the important things about what their government is doing. how white could be have a meaningful election for voting for leaders, parties and we do not action of anything about what they are doing. as long as is done responsibly and snowden just did not throw it on the internet came to us with very clear instruction about making sure jeopardize anybody's lives. and to work at the "new york times" the guardian and largest newspapers in the world. benefit people. as long as it's done responsibly then to me it's pure heroism.de they're risking their lives to inform the citizenry about things wehe know. >> host: glenn greenwald atui severe american experience. night taking your c job to braz, how did you get down there? >> guest: had been visiting brazil quite a bit in thehe late 19th and early 2000's. i was working as at the time really a place we all find those places that resignation with our soul but speak to us. i was overwhelmed by its beauty. 200

>> it could, just as it did post snowden.of all if allies and we have a close and makes, their confidence in their ability to keep their secrets shaky. we have many other intelligence relationships that are not as close but there could be a chilling effect on the willingness of foreign governments to share their intelligence secrets with us. >> director clapper always a pleasure thank you sir. >> thanks for having me don. >> voters turning out in support of reproductive rights since for roe v. wade was overturned. now some republicans have some who oppose abortion rights changing their tune. ♪ ♪ ♪ "shake your thang" by salt n pepa welcome to thursday night football, only on prime video. play for the guy beside you! play for this stadium! let's go, baby! thursday night is now the prime night of football. deep downfield! got it! touchdown! legendary players, amazing matchups, a new era begins. let's go! the prime night of football. only on prime video. joe biden and democrats in congress just passed a law to lower the cost of m

i am calling to compare the trump situation with a fellow named edward snowden, who has been sitting now over in moscow, stateless for over four years because the nsa or cia, he worked for both of them at one time, wrote documents, and it turns out these documents showed that these agencies were domestically spying on u.s. citizens. it's something for a person to walk away like that being called a spy, when he is a whistleblower, you could say. host: are you saying former president trump was trying to be a whistleblower with the documents in his possession? caller: no, i don't think so. he was trying to show he could do that and get away with it. i am saying edward snowden, for instance, was turning out to give information to a british newspaper about that kind of thing going on. here he is, he has been sitting in russia now all this time, and he can't make a deal with the u.s. because when he comes back, they want to try him for espionage. they could probably try him at least for theft of government property. that is a situation that i think is scary, because it shows you how powerf

that everything snowden had was exposed to russian intelligence. in this case, they don't know where these documents have been and who has seen them. >> and the justice department has a so-called filtered team looking at these documents. so the special master will be someone independent of the fbi that would look into these same documents? >> yes, jose. the trump team is asking for a court appointed person to basically do the same thing that the filter team is doing. this is a person who has been agreed upon by both parties to sift through these documents and separate this out. it's unusual at this stage because by this point, the department of justice has likely already gone through these documents and in addition, it's a little odd because the trump lawyers have also asked for an itemized, more specific list of items that were taken from the property and in order to do that, the department of justice obviously has to go through everything. one thing that's important to note is it appears that the trump lawyers have asked for the court in this cas

after snowden. was my last feature film and then i was doing documentaries and i've a seque did as much work as i could often non-for a year or two years. unfortunately it was my timing again was not great. the book came out and wonderful reviews from people who were in the film community. thcovid was with us and no look signing, no ability to go to bookstores and the book dies. did okay on its own but there was no publicity available. authors need bookstores and they need to get out there and mix with the public. >> it's a to great book. >> i but i think it will last. it's a movie that's worthwhile. i hope you find it so. i wanted to ask in the book every script as we know there's a protagonist's point of narrative and an anchoring moment for which the story which the story unfolds in chasing the light the moment seems to be the bicentennial. the bicentennial it comes back to that all the time in the book and it's a very cool thing. why that time? y. 1976? >> 1976 i was 30 y years old and when you

. >> after snowden. snowden was my last feature film and then i was doing documentaries and i basically did as much work as i could. unfortunately my timing again was not great. the book came out, wonderful reviews from people in the film community but covid was with us no book signings, no ability to go to stores the book dies. it did okay on its own but noho publicity available so authors need bookstores and to sign andh get out there and mix with the public. >> it's such a great book. >> but i think it will last, a book that's worthwhile. >> i wanted to ask in the book, and every script as we know there's a product agonist narrative, and angry moment to which the story is told. that moment seems to be the bicentennial. you come back to that all the time in the book and at school, why that time lex by 1976? >> i was 30 years old, we turn 30, you're supposed to have corporatized your life. i hadn't. i was grasping but failing. i hadn't succeeded so the book opens the bicentennial new york city. number t

. >> all the way through after snowden. snowden was my last feature film and then i was tdoing documentaries and i basically did as much work as i could. off and on a year, two years. and it was unfortunately my timing again, not great. the book came out. wonderful reviews from people who were in the film community but covid was with us and no book signings, no ability to go to bookstores and the book died. it did okay on its own but there's no publicity available really. authors need bookstores and they need to sign heand get out there and mix with the public . >> it's such a great book and people are going to buy it. >> but i think it will last. it's a book that is worth while. i hope you find it so. >> i wanted to ask about in the book, every script as we know there's a protagonist narrative, anchoring moment to which the story is told in chasing the life that moment seems to be the bicentennial . you come back to that all the time in the book and it's a cool thing. why halftime? >> because 1976 was the nadir . when you

all the way through after snowden. okay, that's just no. yeah snowden was my last feature film and then i was doing documentaries and i just basically did as much work as i could ask plus c for off and on a year two years. and it was unfortunately in my timing again not great film the book came out wonderful reviews from people who were in the film community, but covid was was with us and no books signings. no ability to go to bookstores and the book dies. i mean it did okay on its own, but there's no publicity available really so authors need bookstores and they need to sign and get out there mix with the public. that's what i it's such a great book and people are going on, you know. but i think it'll last i think it's a movie a book that is is worth some worthwhile. i hope you find itself. i wanted to ask about in the book and every script as we know. there's a protagonist point of narrative an anchoring moment to which the story is told in chasing the light that moment seems to be the bicentennial the bicentennial choice that you come ba

as you say, all for home nations will be represented in sunday's final because england's katie snowdenland's cara mcgee, and the fastest losers spots went to wales and scotland's gemma ricci. ispoke spots went to wales and scotland's gemma ricci. i spoke to her after the race and she said she hadn't made it easy for her, but she's had to be patient after overcoming glandularfever to be patient after overcoming glandular fever earlier this year, she hopes to get onto the podium on sunday. earlierthis she hopes to get onto the podium on sunday. earlier this morning there was success in the hurdles for sin december of england. she's made it through to the final on her 28th birthday. there were also three athletes for team england that made it through to the women's long job final, including the silver medallist from 2014, jasmine sawyers. medallist from 2014, jasmine sa ers. ~ :, medallist from 2014, jasmine sa ers. :, , medallist from 2014, jasmine sa ers. ., , sawyers. what else can we look forward to _ sawyers. what else can we look forward to at — sawyers. what else can we look forwar

now unfortunately i have some personal experience from overseeing when that was done after edward snowdens. where there were thousands and thousands of highly classified documents. that he purloined. but we don't actually know in most cases, how much of that actually found its way to the russians. was at the price of admission for their harboring him? so i have a similar challenge here except the population of documents is more finite and more limited than it was in the case of snowden. the damage assessment done with stones revelations. >> so i think you're hear you saying. i hear answers for the stone part. it is something the intelligence committee doesn't know who may have assessed these documents at mar-a-lago. they had to assume that everything has been compromised? >> well to me yes you always have to make a worst-case assumption. once these documents are all out of government custody. where the government is not protected. it's not a position to protect these documents they are in areas that don't meet storage requirements for the protection of the highly sensitive classified info

>> it is to on —- starting to get old and i wrote this in 2017 after edward snowden. last feature film and then doing documentaries and did as much work as i could for one year or two years and unfortunately my timing again is not great. the book came out with wonderful reviews for people in the film but there is no publicity available. authors need bookstores and mixed with the public. >> at such a great book. >> but i think it will last. >> is always that protagonist orl the anchoring moment where the story is told it seems like it is the bicentennial. the choice. >> why that time? why 1776. >> because i was 30 years old. so then the book opens on the bicentennial and then i am feeling in the dumps on —- in the dumps to understand the american experience through the whole period from 1976 through 86, i am broke and going through jobs he would do that just to avoid and not have the divorce. [laughter] >> but 26 years. >> going to your film career think about which film but then platoon was rejected for ten years in its written a form. it was rejected at then you have

the stuff that edward snowden took from the nsa was all stolen from the nsa.then gave it to the press. so the question is that, if these individuals who say they were engaged in first amendment activity, they were working for project veritas directed them to do this and then claim a role legally in the scheme to illegally obtain the stolen property, would the government go ahead and try to bring charges? all we know in that area is that the government was so interested in this question, so interested in project veritas's role, they yesterday they got a search warrant to go through the homes of its founder and two individuals who were involved in obtaining and trying to authenticate the diary. just getting a search warrant, we obviously we're learning a lot about getting search warrants, but getting a search warrant on somebody who is antagonistic to the administration and claims to be a journalist is a pretty extraordinary thing. before that, it was certainly pretty remarkable at the time. >> it's gonna be interesting to see how this plays out. to see that fol

when this happened to julian assange, edward snowden, chelsea manning, they have been pictured as criminalswhat they did is trying to even sacrifice their life to provide crucial information about the crimes done by the western government. what they are doing, basically, is provide the information is no different than any journalist, but even mainstream yet in the west, many of them avoids to support this very crucial value of journalism. >> your father was sent to a labor camp, izzy same site work -- it is the same site where today the weaker people are at camps, western company's have called this genocide, what is the westerners -- what is the west responsibility? >> the west says human rights is only value, any state, religion, ideology has to have intact. there also defining it without any kind of excuse. western have double standard, selected situations that can benefit them to get more -- some kind of excuse. many other wrongdoings, not just by the governments, even by themselves, have been totally ignored. china is not going to take this kind of accusation. it does not work that way.

the challenge here and i participated in the snowden investigation.t snowden had done with those documents. that was very clear to see. in the case of mar-a-lago, we don't know with the presidents intent was. we don't know with the intent might have been on others who would have had access to those documents, which is i think part of the reason the fbi is looking at dna and fingerprints samples of those documents, so there's a lot we don't know. at the end of the day, the fact is we hear about ts/sci, some of those documents are so sensitive. we don't even know the program 's public at what they were. even the names of those programs are classified. >> listen, this is what's in the affidavit. and it shows that some of the documents seized from mar-a-lago in january contain information about human intelligence. meaning spies, informants as well as other highly sensitive documents and sources. get those people really be an image imminent danger now? >> when would you expect the president to get? he's the most important customer. he's gonna get the most

after speaking to the authorities, we found out that there was some unfounded suspicion that mister snowden was on the plane of limits. we don't know who invented this total lie. someone wants to hurt our country. now perhaps washington believes that this is acceptable behavior for a country that calls itself a democracy. but when countries that the u. s. doesn't like do the exact same thing . they get called regimes like last year when minsk landed a plane carrying roman protest, savage, a. so called journalist with the western backed extremist opposition, telegram channel nectar. we certainly, since you gave me the opportunity to do this and condemn the luther shank as regimes ongoing harassment, an arbitrary detention of journalists simply for doing their job on this was a shocking act. diverting a flight between 2 e member states for the apparent purpose of arresting a journalist a constitutes a brazen, a front international peace and security by the regime. geo politics, according to washington democracies, land plains, when they might be enemies of our state. but dictatorships do it w

jemma reekie and katie snowden are also through to sunday's final as well as melissa courtney—bryant.ing from england's cindy sember has seen her secure her place in the final of the women's 100 metres hurdles. with a time of 12.67 seconds she got the better of jamaica's danielle williams. megan marrs of northern ireland finishes fourth in 13.37 seconds. we have also seen as long jump qualifying today. they will all be involved in the final on sunday. next, it's a big day over at the beach volleyball. the quarter finals are being played. england and scotland hoping to keep alive their medal hopes. nesta mcgregor is at smithfield for us — nesta, it's certainly one of the liveliest venue of the games, isn't it? i'v e i've been sent to the worst places to work, let's just say that. some athletes need silence and being able to concentrate, here is the opposite, you can hear the tunes blaring and in between points or change of end it is the same, sometimes i have to do a double take to see whether i am in birmingham or barbados but it is borrowing 2022. raw land that beat new zealand in th

all of that was shut down after it published sans and then the snowden lakes. a look at what has happened to julian assange himself imprisoned for publishing things that no one disputes are true. and in britain today, you're not allowed to say any of the, any of the troops that mc, lynch touched upon. and if you do, you are, you will be thrown out of the parliamentary labour thoughts. he kissed armor has threatened to throw anybody out who questions the role of nate. so when you crane and all have his m p 's a seated to that demand. so we are in a situation where the ruling group in this country are so brave. and so afraid of criticism that they slap down any body and smear, anybody who raises even the most basic points about what is happening in ukraine, even the things that mic lynch said, which are completely true. there is a lot of corruption ukraine. there are a lot of people are marching around with nazi imagery in ukraine. the you had some kind of role in the events of 2014 well alvarado earlier last are bullish, establish and also broadcast as well. wel

she'll bejoined in friday's final by ellie barker, who got a personal best time and katie snowden.n and commonwealth games silver medallist matt hudson—smith is through to the final of the 400 metres. he just got under 45 seconds. alex haydock—wilson is also through. commonwealth games silver medallist victoria 0huruogu is through to the final of the 400 metres. her time of 50 point five zero seconds is a personal best and moves her up to joint eighth on the british all time list. and the swimming is continuing at the european aquatics championships in italy. the world and commonwealth games 50 metres freestyle champion ben proud won his heat. he clocked the second quickest time overall, as he reached the semifinal. britain are looking for more medals in the diving this afternoon. these are the scenes from the outdoor swimming pool in rome at the moment. this is the italian side diving as we speak. it is live on bbc two and the bbc�*s award website. —— sport website. this is a smack tackle event. the sunlight affecting how they perform, potentially. rather then damn me, at this poi

snowden? lisa weeks the documents everywhere. jill biden's and loses his laptop it's all out there.ghters diaries out there. that's fine. democrats are electoral documents all over the world everybody can see it. but trump has a letter from kim jong un they have to raid his estate over? give me a break. trump should have with everything on fire. crooked bleached everything is set i'm going to destroy the personal stuff, here's the work-related off. why didn't trump you that? >> do you get the sense democrats are feeling some pressure from the fbi or doj to at least say something that happened? >> i'm glad we are back to using hillary clinton's legal birth name. it's beautiful. there is definitely some pressure out there, andrew cuomo came out and said yesterday we have to hear about this. he's not in good stead with the party but is a prominent democrat. people generally want answers. everybody is unified in the reason they want those answers is different and democrats are certainly looking at this and how it's been pretrade in terms of punditry and the types of articles written abo

the process that, unfortunately, i went through it a couple of these with manning and snowden. so i'm generally familiar with the process. unfortunately, and what you would look to is actually a collective effort on the part of the intelligence community and each document would have to be assessed. the leadership for that would come from the originating agency with. if one can be identified. if the report is a summary that was drawn from many sources. then the elements of the intelligence community that contributed to that would have to participate. and in assessment. so it can be a rather the boris and tough process. it is important that to be done. again, with the view that would could a sophisticated adversary gain if, in fact, they had access to these documents. the concern, of course, the holy grail for intelligence is that your sources -- most notably, if a source was a human sources very life could be placed in jeopardy if the document were compromised. >> so the second part of the question, i think you think is already been completed. you said it's the boris and tedious

edward snowden stole those documents and gave them out to the media.organization, you cannot participate in the actual stealing of the documents. you can't go back to edward snowden and say, why don't you go back into the nsa and go break into these things and take these additional items. that brings you into the crime. so, what we see today are these two defendants, one of them agreeing to cooperate, both pleading guilty, and an ongoing investigation. one of the individuals agreed to cooperate in the ongoing investigation that is looking at project veritas and the role that its people played in this. >> it also, though, reveals how sick and obsessed trump and his allies were with the biden kids. i think that's unprecedented in presidential politics. rudy was running hunter, and it sounds like his allies in the media, project veritas, were trying to destroy and humiliate ashley biden? >> it's also on the -- there's something more insidious about it. i mean, there's -- there is something very insidious about it. ashley biden kept the diary when she was

and even though this is not involving spying per se, this is not even edward snowden stuff, but still a serious crime punishable by up to ten years in prison. >> trump allies last night reacting very strongly, they are still pushing the idea that the president had a standing order to declassify these documents. what is your take on that? >> well, the department of justice according to a report is interviewing people close to trump to see if that is true. and so far no one has said that it is true. so i don't think that they actually had the standing order. and even if they did, the statutes that are being cited by the department of justice, these three statutes, do not depend on whether the documents are classified. and so his defense is pretty faulty. plus the defenses seem to keep changing by the week pep remember it was the fbi planted the stuff, then he declassified it, and now it is his to begin with. so i guess if you combine it, he declassified evidence that the fbi planted and in any event it is his to begin with. doesn't really make sense. and when you keep shifting your defe

damage assessment that we had ha to through after we realized the enormous volume of material that ed snowden released to our adversaries, both the chinese and the russian governments, that damage assessment went on for months and months and months because there was so much material involved. this is a shocking amount of material to have in a private residence, but it's the sort that i think the community can go through rather quickly. >> if it is determined that damage was caused by the documents found at mar-a-lago, what could that mean potentially for trump? >> the most important thing is what it could mean for those intelligence assets. we know there were documents that bore the human control system marking, which means that's intelligence derived from human sources. you may have sources, people and their family members who actually need to be moved, need to be taken out of hostile countries and hidden in other places to protect their lives. that's what they're looking for right now. in terms of how it will affect any potential prosecution of the former president, it certainly adds to the

>> i lived through the whole edward snowden affair when he took hundreds of thousands of documents andt the damage to our national security might be. what i can tell you is that any time classified documents at the ts sc level are taken from a secure government facility and are out there for individuals who are not cleared to see that information, any time you have that situation, it doesn't matter if it's one document or if it's thousands of documents. those documents are classified because they represent sensitive national security information. so the threat is always going to be there. we don't know the substance of these documents, what i can tell you is that they would not be classified at the tssci level if there was not information in there that could be harmful to our national security. >> shawn turner, former u.s. national security analyst, thank you for joining us. >>> coming up, school districts offering new bonuses to recruit teachers and cnn goes inside a field hospital under fire in ukraine. >> reporter: everyone in this hospital knows the front line is getting closer and

significant and unfortunately i have some familiarity with doing damage assessments from the manning and snowdenntelligence. and she will, i'm sure, engage all the relevant components who may have had a stake in these documents, particularly if there can be identified an originating agency or component who will lead the assessment. and i think the assumption is that what could a sophisticated adversary intelligence service do with these documents if they had them in terms of exploiting and gaining -- and gleaning insights from them. so that will be the task for the intelligence community led by the dni to do. >> and we know the documents retrieved earlier this year could compromise clandestine human sources. do you figure that these documents could put lives at risk? >> well, there is a risk there, but i have to point out as i've always done in these discussions that we don't know the content of these -- of the documents. we know the classification descriptions that have been assigned to them, but that's -- that's all. so we're only -- we're speculating here and potentially -- particularly with