and steve bannon, for that matter.erstand it's not necessary for people to believe this information in order to weaken democratic institutions. you just have to flood our country's public square with enough brought sewage. you just have to raise enough questions spread enough dirt, plant enough conspiracy theorizing. that citizens no longer know what to believe. once they lose trust in their leaders. in mainstream media, and political institutions, in each other. in the possibility of a truth. the game is one. >> people like putin and donald trump advisor steve bannon know that you don't need to win the argument, you don't need to convince everyone of everything. you just need to pump enough raw sewage into the discourse that people don't believe it's worth trying to find something true there anymore. a salient point and one of her well put. that was president obama speaking today at stanford meanwhile today the aforementioned sewage flow around steve bannon actually got a little bit stickier today. you know what? stic

introducing his to supporters to steve bannon. they would see more of him in the days that followed. when i say steve bannon and mouse squawked together, i realized the stair banner is not the leader in one memo. yeah. stared banner is mars student. i went to world headquarters, one me, you do the one who grover. this could be the reason why a company linked to gore was paying ban on at least $1000000.00 for strategic consulting services. bad, and did not respond to our request for an interview. 6 months after his trip to new york, john pan announced plans for a charity to support human rights in hong kong and sin. jen, gore live streamed this response. you don't hit on yet. no one the only drug. why now? you are so one only do you know drop my bottle cleaners and yeah, i saw him all of them in the went from being here. maybe he sent me as a competitor with his roof loan foundation. and then after his bullying me online bow 7 days, i end up and that emergency i call triple 0. because antoinette couple of days, i barely sleep. i ca

with steve bannon, whom the house has already held in contempt. we know mr. navarro believes he and mr. bannon came up with the strategy for overturning the election. because he details it in his book. which i know my colleague from florida will discuss in greater detail. this is as clear a case for contempt as we are likely to see. i yield back. >> the gentleman yields back. the chair recognizes the gentlewoman from florida. >> i would just pick up where my colleague, mr. aguilar, left off. over a month and a half ago, mr. navarro was subpoenaed by this committee. this information is central to our committee's inquiry. mr. navarro refused to comply, making a cursory claim of executive privilege. there are many reasons why this blanket assertion of executive privilege lacks merit. as a matter of law and as a matter of common sense. most fundamentally, neither the incumbent or the former president has asserted privilege regarding mr. navarro's testimony or document production to the committee. he has no unilateral authority to assert privilege himself. beyond t

when i say steve bannon and mouse squawked together, i realize the steer banner is not the leader. middle one, min one. yeah, stay a banner is mars student. i went to world headquarters. well may you do the one who grover? this could be the reason why a company linked to cor, was paying ban on at least $1000000.00 for strategic consulting services. bannon did not respond to our request for an interview. 06 months off to his trip to new york, john pan announced plans for a charity to support human rights in hong kong. and since jen gore light streamed this response. you don't it on yet? no one. the only drama you are so one only do you know the euro may bottle gunners and yeah, i saw him. all of them in the way. yeah. and being here, maybe he sank me as a competitor with his are wolf law foundation. and then after his bullying me online, about 7 days, i end up and the emergency i call triple 0 because antoinette couple of days, i barely sleep. i can't eat ah, 3 months later, dozens of protesters showed up outside pans. house them, australia, they say made john pan is a spy. a his wo

just before he left office, former president trump pardoned steve bannon for those federal charges, butst bannon, it was four guys, including bannon, who got charged with that fraud back in 2020, it was only bannon who got pardoned, well today, of the three other guys, three other codefendants who got charged in that same scheme, two of them pled guilty. they pled guilty. they admitted stealing millions of dollars in owe dations from trump supporters who thought they were paying for one of trump's border wall schemes, when in fact these guys were stealing the money for themselves. you would think that trump supporters might hold it against trump, right? you would think they would hold it against bannon. you would think they would particularly hold it against trump that he pardoned steve ban in that scheme to steal from trump supporters but apparently nobody holds it against bannon, nobody holds it against trump, it is kind of a masochistic thing, thank you, sir, may i have another, and also do you want the security code on my credit card now or the billing address? what else would you l

steve bannon wasn't. they were with donald trump those days in a way steve bannon wasn't. what are they saying and doing? they're saying well let's just cooperate. they're saying they don't have any special privilege to shield them from cooperating. what's steve bannon doing? testing this for some other reasons only he knows. he's invited back on "the beat" if he wants to explain them. he's trying to pick a fight with the government, the legislative and executive branch with this new attorney general to take this all away to trial, to risk himself going to jail. whatever the reason is, because i'm not here to speculate, i could tell you, according to trump's daughter what the reason isn't. it ain't executive privilege. i want to bring in our guest staff writer for the "new york times" magazine emily baslan and editor-at-large with the the bullwork, ed kristol. as a veteran of the white house, bill, what does it tell you where the kids, i don't say it pejoratively the kids and the children of donald trump, son-in-law of donald trump, the staff, family members are testifying

people like putin and steve bannon for that matter. or people to believe this information in order to weaken democratic institutions. >> people like putin and bannon. people like putin and bannon. that is tough talk. by the way, a little tougher than even joe biden talks about some of the trump world figures these days and he is busy being president. but this is barack obama. making that link. calling out steve bannon. saying this is more than just lies. it is lies that lead to insurrections. it is lies that lead to physical violence. he is talking about the sophistication of that because the other point here is not to paint it all in one brush, the people that are lied to are victims and some of them may not know better and some of them may be confused. the people would knowingly lie, the putins and ban ones of the world, according to obama, they know exactly what they're doing whether they do things like this. >> the return of trump and it t ain't going to be in 2024. it is going to be in 2022 or maybe before. as we start the decertif

>> yes, nicolle, it is a serious blow to steve bannon.urt, he's been a convicted felon but it is a bad day. so congress recommended contempt and merrick garland justice department indicted for contempt and so they're saying congress, you're supposed to tell the truth to congress. he was afraid to do so and the bannon argument is i have a lawyers note from time that said i didn't have to go and testify and tell the truth. and that is what he told the judge for why he shouldn't be prosecuted and the judge today resoundedly rejeked that saying, like, ever since 1961 and the sinclair case, this is never been a valid excuse when information is sought by congress. and then i think most important piece of the decision that it was written by carl nichols, a well respected trump appointee judge in washington, d.c. so, you know, it is interesting it is happened right before congress is voting on the novarro and scavino contempt proceeding which is for the exact same set of things, it is obviously different information here. scavino evidently allowe

steve bannon pardoned for the felonies. the whole idea that mccarthy didn't want to talk on january 10 or 11 not a pence pardon. assuming that trump would be gone and pence would have to deal with a pardon for the ex-president. it is corroborated by reporting by jackie's colleagues. the white house counsel's office sat there expecting that donald trump would be charged with crimes. complicity and participation and i think it's why there's a bursting exasperation that they continue to glide bo the rule of law. >> you used the phrase that mccarthy is a material witness. you isolate the line from the mccarthy tape. them talking about whether a pardon might come up or not. you don't talk in normal conversations and been in so many in the government about pardons. only reason to talk about a pardon is because you think a crime is committed. when mccarthy says that what ma theens in ordinary english is he thinks a crime was committed. he doesn't want to talk about it and be part of an obstruction of justice conspiracy or anything

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so that defense is not available to steve bannon at his trial. that he was doing what his lawyer told him to do but the judge said it doesn't matter. so, bannon's going to have other defenses. i'm not quite sure what they are at this point. but that was a centerpiece of his case and now he can't use it. >> pete williams that with update. appreciate it. and appreciate you watching this hour of msnbc. highlights an reporting from the show at hallieonmsnbc on twitter. and an hour from now, on nbc news now, our streaming platform, i'll see you there. "deadline: white house" starts right after this break. house" s right after this break so if there's a better treatment than warfarin i'll go after that. eliquis. eliquis reduces stroke risk better than warfarin and has less major bleeding than warfarin. eliquis has both. don't stop taking eliquis without talking to your doctor as this may increase your risk of stroke. eliquis can cause serious and in rare cases fatal bleeding. don't take eliquis if you have an artificial heart valve or abnormal bleeding

. >> people like putin and steve bannon. it's not necessary for people to believe this information. in order to weaken democratic institutions. you have to flood a country's public square. with enough raw sewage. you have to raise enough questions, spread enough dirt, plant enough conspiracy theories. that citizens no longer know what to believe. >> former president obama coming to stanford the heart of silicon valley thursday. a warning about the disinformation threat to american democracy. putting putin and steve ban upon in the same sentence and under estimated how powerful conspiracy theories had gun. >> no one was surprised russia was meddling in election. my failure to fully appreciate at the time how susceptible we had become to lies and conspiracy theories. >> those lies and theories still very much alive in the u.s. >> we just saw a sitting president deny the clear results of an election. and help incite a violent insurrection at the nations capitol. social media didn't create racism. or white supremacy. all these t

he writes that he worked with steve bannon on a scheme called the green bay sweep. its purpose was to encourage vice president pence to delay certification of the votes and send the election back to state legislatures. mr. navarro writes that he called attorney general barr, urging the department of justice to support president trump's efforts to challenge the election in court, which barr declined to do. mr. navarro notes that he kept a journal detailing this episode and over action -- episode and other actions he took. while he was refusing to comply with our subpoena, mr. navarro made numerous media appearances, discussing his roles in the events culminating on january 6. mr. navarro has significant relevant knowledge. he's happy to share it on television and in podcasts, but he won't provide this information in response to a lawful subpoena. mr. navarro is in contempt of congress and should be referred for prosecution. thank you, madam speaker. i yield back the balance of my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlewoman from wyoming reserves the balance of her

does steve bannon want to take over the world? yeah, he would i don't you know in his in his mind. yes. that's where he belongs but i don't see it happening when when trump was winter after from fired him that he was, you know, obviously full of anger and bitterness and talked about even primary trump which is kind of kind of absurd, but i think that for the moment what he what he realizes because he's remembered benin was somebody as the book lays out who saw a real spark and sarah palin and he tried to get her to run for presidents in 2011. um, so bannon is is always looking for these figures who he can help steer right because he gives them you know that the idea that um, rove was bush's brain, right? well, like i always say that bannon was trump's translator because he gives them this vocabulary and this kind of intellectual architecture. he did the same for palin because you know, i mean this is not an insult to their intelligence but like, you know, palin and trump are not like steeped in biographies about william jennings bryant right? i mean they populism is not a really an

into the 2020 election will continue, even longer because donald trump willed it to be so and steve bannon insisted it must be. so and we are seeing this thing play out in state after state. over the weekend republicans in michigan chose their candidates for statewide office in november, these will be the republican candidates in michigan for secretary of state and attorney general, one of those two candidates, on the left, spoke at a q-anon experience theory conference late last year, she is now the official republican party nominee to be secretary of state in michigan which means she will be in charge of overseeing elections for the whole state if she wins in november. that prospect is especially frightening in a state like michigan, you might remember that during the last presidential election, michigan's republican party came within centimeters of not certifying biden's election victory even though he clearly won in michigan and by a lot. in the end it came down with one republican member of a michigan state canvassing board who resisted tons of pressure from his own party that he shou

has acted regarding steve bannon.meadows. despite pressure from congress and attempts to persuade the justice department from congress, it is really up to them to determine -- the justice department to determine how they are going to act and if they're going to move forward on these cases, andrea. >> and they have had the mark meadows recommendation since december 14th, leann. and of course that's why the pressure on merrick garland, the attorney general, has been so intense from democrats. thank you very much for your reporting. >> and in arizona, republican attorney general there has dealt a major blow to former president trump's false claim that the president actually did not lose to joe biden in arizona in 2020. the state attorney general wrote in a report there was no mass fraud or conspiracy in the 2020 election in maricopa county, the major county there. joining us is vaughn hillyard, an arizona native by birth and i guess it's most of your life there. . >> we spent some time there. let's talk about arizona and

. >> people like putin, and steve bannon, for that matter.or people to believe this information in order to weaken democratic institutions. you just have to flood a country's public square with enough raw sewage. use that to raise enough questions, spread enough dirt, plant enough conspiracy theorizing that citizens no longer know what to believe. >> reporter: former-president barack obama coming to stanford, the heart of silicon valley thursday with a warning about the threat that disinformation proses to manner dpok rasy, putting putin and bannon in the same sentence, and saying he underestimated in 2016 how powerful conspiracy theories had become. >> no one in my administration was surprised that russia was attempting to meddle in our election. what does still nag at me, though, was my failure to fully appreciate, at the time, just how susceptible we had become to lies and conspiracy theories. >> reporter: those lies and con spir theories still very much alive in the u.s. >> we just saw a sitting president deny the clear results of an elec

the fact they charged steve bannon so fast is evidence that they take allegations from congress seriouslya longer list of folks they have yet to charge and move slowly than congress and many folks want them to move. so i would expect this to continue and to percolate as a subplot but i don't think it's something that's going to have any sort of impediment on the work that both congress and the doj themselves are doing. >> betsy's absolutely right in the analysis of the optics but not the point. if there is criminality and i'm not saying there is criminality. liz cheney said there is. federal judge that looked at the evidence in the eastman case said there's criminality. i guess my question for you -- congressman lofgren on the show sort of blowing back against the reporting that they had enough evidence and then she would come right out and confirm they met the bar if they went through the process. and decided to do so. what i don't understand is the congressional probe is made up of seven former u.s. attorneys and they're the same people with the same skills doing the same thing. one doe

steve bannon is claiming that his subpoena was invalid because of the committee's makeup and he said s lawyers will also be arguing that he was protecting the former president's executive privilege. >>> a georgia man has been arrested in connection with a killing of three people. he faced three counts of malice murder at the lock, stock and barrel shooting range in georgia. the victims were the range owner and his wife and their 17-year-old grandson. authorities say the 21-year-old suspect stole a cache of firearms from range. he's being held at the local county jail. >>> and veteran state and screen actress liz shiriddan died on thursday morning. she had dozens of film credits but she was best known for playing jerry seinfeld's mother which ran for nine seasons. she was also an author and a trained dancer. she made her broadway debut in 1971 and appeared in several more productions of frank merry well over the years she celebrated her 93rd birthday this week. she's survived by her daughter and son-in-law. >>> and more than a dozen states are challenging the biden administration's pla

. >> explain this one to us, steve bannon has been charged by the doj with contempt of congress.ut now, a federal judge ruled that he cannot argue that he is not guilty, because he was following the advice of his lawyer. why is that significant? >> i think that this is significant, and again it shatters these other cases of potential contempt prosecution that jacqui is talking about. because steve bannon essentially was set as a defense that he was following the advice of his lawyer who advised them that because of executive privilege he was not compelled to provide testimony to the january six special committee. that of course led to a charge of contempt of congress which was referred to the doj which then has been referred to prosecution. one of the things that separates the bannon case from some of these other cases is that whether it is unclear whether bannon would actually count as an advisor to the president and will be covered by executive privilege during this period while he was doing the work and the january 6th effort. that is one significant thing. but again, the fact

like it already has four top trump advisor, steve bannon, who refused to reply the subpoena. his trial schedule this summer. while navarro say they are protected by executive privilege, many committee members explained why that is not true. >> police barest the nonsense talk about executive privilege rejected now by every court has looked at it. this is america. there is no executive privilege here for presidents, much less trade advisers, to plot coups and insurrections against the peoples government and the peoples constitution, and then to cover-up the evidence of their crimes. the courts are not buying it, and neither are we. >> the committee has many questions for mr. scavino about his political, social media work for president trump, including his interactions with an online forum called the donald and with qanon, a bizarre and dangerous cool. >> the man that she is talking about there, dan scavino, it is worth taking a moment to give the context for why he is the focus of this committee. he is the guy who ran social media for trump. getting him to cooperate will be cru

. >>> and a setback for steve bannon. today a federal judge blocked bannon's attorney from making the advice of counsel defense. meaning that he was following advice of his lawyer when he defied a house subpoena. today the judge said that defense is not available in contempt of congress case. a federal grand jury indicted bannone. this trial is scheduled to begin in july. >>> backing, tracking covid criminals has become a full-time job. you've heard about covid cheating and the paycheck protection program and telemedicine, plus the explosion in identity theft. we find out what's being done to hold these criminals accountable. >> how would you rate the level of fraud you've seen under this covid relief umbrella? >> it has been an unprecedented level of governmental assistance to meet an unprecedented crisis. >> they talk about how brazen some criminals are, flashing cash on social media. i spoke with the ceo of id me. >> do you have any idea how much was taken from california? >> california to their credit has been extreme

and steve bannon for that matter, understand that it's not necessary for people to believe this informationic institutions. you just have to flooding competing -- with enough raw sewage, you need to raise enough questions spread enough dirt, plant enough conspiracy theorize or, that citizens no longer know what to believe. >> now i applaud the president's message but i need to ask, where have you been? this is a speech that should've been delivered years ago, and not on some random thursday in april at a california university but on a platform the whole world would pay tension to. our panel is back with us. maya, correct me if you're wrong those are my thoughts, i'm a firm believer that we have a disinformation pandemic around the world, your reaction to obama's speech? >> while a, i'm glad he was fairly unvarnished, i'm glad that he actually used language that mimicked steve bannon's, because it's an intentional strategy, sadly, and unfortunately for our democracy. and yeah, look we can always talk about when and how, or whether he could've, should've done it sooner but i think there's a d

it's not about steve bannon. it's not about the oath keepers. it's not even about donald trump, who isn't formally on the ballot in 2022. doj needs to move ahead full speed, something that i suspect many republicans have spoken about privately. we've seen reporting in the last few days that mitch mcconnell suggested that he believed the democrats would take care of their donald trump problem, that the conduct was so outrageous, that time would come and their problem would be amile rated and that's never happened. doj needs to do it job. january 6th committee needs to do it job. it's time for democratic leadership in this country to match the nail your of democratic leadership on the republican side of the aisle with strong firm leadership that simply proceeds to do the work. sure, they'll have to show their math to the american people. the they want convictions in criminal cases or if they want folks to pay attention to the political story the january 6th committee will tell. but it's time. it's past time. these tapes are so revel story. make it

of former president advisor steve bannon. urging trump supporters that they needed to call wisconsin republican legislators to tell them that this important investigation must be kept going. then earlier this week, trump himself weighed in with a statement saying that wisconsin republicans needed to keep that investigation going or he'd make sure they'd all face primary challenges. well that appears to have worked. yesterday, the republican speaker of the state house in wisconsin announced that the investigation into the 2020 election will continue. even longer. because donald trump willed it to bisson and steve bannon insisted it must be so. and we are seeing this thing play out in state after state. after the weekend, republicans in michigan's shows there are candidates for statewide office in november's. these will be the republican candidates and mr. get for secretary of state and attorney general. one of those two candidates one on the left spoke at a qanon conspiracy theorist conference late last year. she's now the off

like it already has four top trump advisor, steve bannon, who refused to reply the subpoena. his trial schedule this summer. while navarro say they are protected by executive privilege, many committee members explained why that is not true. >> police barest the nonsense talk about executive privilege rejected now by every court has looked at it. this is america. there is no executive privilege here for presidents, much less trade advisers, to plot coups and insurrections against the peoples government and the peoples constitution, and then to cover-up the evidence of their crimes. the courts are not buying it, and neither are we. >> the committee has many questions for mr. scavino about his political, social media work for president trump, including his interactions with an online forum called the donald and with qanon, a bizarre and dangerous cool. >> the man that she is talking about there, dan scavino, it is worth taking a moment to give the context for why he is the focus of this committee. he is the guy who ran social media for trump. getting him to cooperate will be cru

and if people are just going to ignore congressional subpoenas the way steve bannon did, they will be>> bannon, of course, was charged, right, the doj did move fast on that front, still nothing yet on former trump chief of staff mark meadows, though. now there are likely to be, as you referenced, two more people added to the doj's plate relating to contempt charges. what is your perspective on the way doj is handling this? >> you make a good point about mark meadows, i am not sure why he has not been indicted because he is also ignoring a congressional subpoena the same way steve bannon did. it's been almost four months since the vote in december. so i urge the department of justice to make a decision and make a decision soon. >> are you worried that merrick garland is dragging his feet? >> the department of justice does not always do press releases on what they are doing, in fact most of the time they don't tell the public what they're doing. so it's really hard to know exactly what they're investigating at this point in time. >> okay. i hear you giving them the benefit of the doubt.

steve bannon didn't. members want the department of justice to start this charge process and hopefully do the same with dan scavino and pete navarro once they are expected to get those, shep. >> leigh ann caldwell, thanks. >>> two people are dead in the florida panhandle after a suspected tornado ripped through the region overnight new drone video showing the damage in washington county, about an hour north of panama city officials there confirmed two people killed in a mobile home that was destroyed another two hurt and this is what it looks like from the ground. this home wiped out. the sheriff's office reports it's total devastation the tornado is part of a severe weather outbreak that caused damage across the south. in mississippi you can hear the sirens blaring as the tornado approached [ siren the national weather service reports it will have teams in southeast mississippi surveying the damage and in louisiana, about an hour west of jackson, mississippi, the storm ripped the roof right off an elemen

it's no wonder steve bannon called viktor orban, trump before trump.nd as my therapist, will tell you, i've been to a ton of trump rallies. so i brought along a trusty translator to see just how similar an orban rally is to a maga rally. first up, the merch table. do you have any orban pictures specifically with him shirtless, writing a velociraptor? tyrannosaurus rex? - just the flags that basically hungarian reference. - that have any profanity on it whatsoever. - no, it's just a-- - just a straight flag? - just a straightforward flag. - good luck with the sales today. you don't need to say that one. - merch, check. lock her up. i thought i heard lock her up. okay, maybe some things are a little lost in translation, but still, chants, check. are there going to be any let's go, brandon chants here? do you know, let's go, brandon? i see signs. do you know let's go, brandon? okay, so people are chanting. it was at a nascar. do you know, nascar? - nascar. - nascar, it's like formula one. it's in a circle, it's more boring. they might shout different slog

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