michael sussman has a client a computer tech executive.ment believed to be the pentagon. sees internet traffic, well looks like somebody on trump's team or at the white house is talking to russia. could beat russia's alpha bank. we don't oppose a phone that your time to sing a guild or phone a russian-made yoda phone or it could have been a device outside of the white house. we know the president at that time was using his own personal phone. there were security issue concerns about that. the information is sussman's client gave them that information. sussman takes it to the fbi and the cia reportedly and then sank we are seeing internet traffic between trump tower, trump's building, the white house executive building and a health company. so that is what is at issue here. now could sussman say this tech executive believed to be rodney joffe he is my client i did not lie to the fbi when i did not say that i was working for the clinton campaign. does he have plausible deniability there? >> not so much. the crazy part, liz, a lot of the tech

the news coming in today, attorneys for michael sussman, he was the former outside counsel for hillaryg to the judge in the case toss out special counsel john durham's case against michael sussman allegedly lying to the fbi. they're saying it would not have triggered an investigation by the fbi anyway, not material. your take on this? >> yeah, look, the durham arguments will carry the day on this motion to dismiss. motion to dismiss is a typical move by a defense attorney to try to get the case removed at the outset. sussman's attorneys made two arguments, he didn't lie, of course they will say and if they fine he lied, what he told the fbi by not disclosing who his true clients were was not material. really the standard for something whether something is material when you talk to the government whether it will have a tendency to influence the decision making. the fact he went into the fbi general counsel james baker, said we have evidence, here is some white papers disclosing that trump tower is communicating with a russian bank to try to perpetrate the russian hoax, the fact he said

that is the way the sussman indictment reads right now.academics were. elizabeth: jim, you and i talked about it, take out the names trump, take out the names clinton, take out the obama, take out all the names, when you see what happens using powers of their federal police officers who go after a political rival. you have to throw the book at them. it can't just be process crimes likelying to the fbi. >> yeah. i mean it feels very third world, right? to have the machinery of the fbi leadership willfully and willing taking false information to intrude into the political process. i mean that is, my heart from the criminal justice years i've spent on both sides of the aisle goes back to that issue of the fbi's complicity is a big point. elizabeth: jim trusty, great to have you back on. come back soon. okay, this story today, russia sanctions the president, white house officials, president's son hunter biden. we have more bad news for hunter biden. the state department agrees to give hunter biden's correspondence, emails and texts to "the new

it's huffman mr. sussman will be freeze next winter. daddy, cousins over europe. natural gas supply is still up and running. russia is still delivering gas, and if that continues, there won't be any change compared to previous years. the question is far more. what happens if russia stops delivering gas? and what would result from that and analyzing the effect of bad shows it's survivable. we could survive it, but it would certainly require a great effort on our cards and cost a lot of money because at around 40 percent or so high in russia, supplies a not inconsiderable amount of europe's gas. look, i'm come to replace that or analysis shows it would be best to try and organize a little more than half their natural gas imports from other countries. i mean, it does me honest with gus. i'm namely another, those connected via pipelines to us pipeline public and then like norway, now jerry with us to ask them and paid them to deliver our gas on at the same time scouring the market for liquefied natural gas or oil n g on, on. but at the european level, that would still be a gap of around 20

there's no point for us to come to be here, especially if it is not assisting the people of sussman, if it is not assisting the people of western sahara. so we do not subscribe to this, said not a table renew, went order. and if the inviting as to when you were order, we are saying to them enough is enough with assumptions. sanctions must officially be declared as instruments of war because they made that states continuously uses this sanction to crucify innocent citizens who have nothing to do with whatever expansionist mentality they have. if they want to tie, get, put them, put him. why are they not targeting to president put in what does, what did the people of russia do? and this goes to say that the, the west and thinking must be called to order. and we're here that the russian federation has decided to stand up to the bully. we do not subscribe to any mentality or idea off and you will order the only well to what or well wall. all i mean, well order that we want is one that speaks of peace. it one that speaks of silencing the guns and to us please them to. tim has displayed by

he has some of the pieces he needs for this lawsuit including things like michael sussman, the clintonon to the government, fabricated information about connections between donald trump and russia and claiming that he wasn't representing any particular interest when he did that. june door ham, said, that is not true. you were bill be the clinton campaign doing that very activity. this adds to the final pieces that donald trump's team needs to be able to successfully pursue this lawsuit. hopefully it creates the kind of consequences that keep people from doing these kind of underhanded tactics in the future. elizabeth: we're waiting to hear back from the other side to see if they respond to the lawsuit. he is saying, vince, he incurred $24 million in legal fees and costs to defend himself. he is saying they basically accessed, confidential highly sensitive government date to build their conspiracy case. he saying it is conspiracy and rack keithering going after them with rico in federal court in florida. >> it is easy to believe that his legal fees have reached stratospheric levels. rem

according to durham's indictment of michael sussman the clinton team knew the alfa bank allegations wereorganization using computers to talk to alfa bank. it was a very weak association. the only thing that drives us at this point we don't dislike trump. that dislike for trump was giving them tunnel vision and their theory could not with stand public scrutiny. what could come out on that? >> you have two things durham is looking at. on the one hand you have the clinton campaign fed link these false stories about about trump-russia collusion. then you have got them going, the clinton campaign to the fbi and trying to get the fbi interested. once they get the fbi interested. they go to the press and say, hey, this must be serious because the fbi is investigating. it is not just the alfa bank story. it is carter page story through the fisa warrants. it is george papadopoulus. it is a number of things that are being done. it is the michael cohen prague trip that never happened. i think that is what durham is focused on. what happened here, and what's a crime. then you have this terrible, ter