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tha you very much for talking with us.thank ou for invitingme, it a pleasure to be here. >> woodrf: what is theain thing or things thatou elieve should be canged about the healthare system in is country? >> i think onof the thin we hve to do is weave to find a way to get and keep everyone coved with halth insurance. i think there are ry specific things we cando to make the individual insurance market wk better for tho seekingindividual insurance. i hink the second critical thing is wehave to ow down e rate of increase in health care servis, and i think there e many ideas uder discussion to accomplish tse two things. >> woodruff: one of the ideas ry much out there, we just hed kathln sebelius reiterate it, the presint les the publ insurance option, despite signals to t contrary. you are on record assaying it the wng way to go. why? >> i think it's t wrong way to g because we believe tat t chang that are being proposed in thendividual insurance market will in fact addre many of the fundamtal problems that are legitimate issu

ishat a sign tha not much has really changed there? >> the fact that t attacks vencreased in rece weeks was predicte by u.s. surity forces and analysts looking a the situation. because u.s. forces had agreed to pull out of the major iraqi ties at the end of june. and it was anticipated that as on as the u.s. foeswent away, at the insurgents in iraq would tryo target iraqi serity forces as a way of showing the weakness of the iraqi governmentnd tryinto advanctheir own politica agenda. if those -- tse types of attackcontinue onor a prolonged period otimesay over month, think it wil reveal things abouthe ira government capacity but for now i think it reveals th there are folks in the insurgency that are disfected with the ira government who are trying to allenge it and using theseattacks as a way of demotrating lack of governme pacity. >> nora bensahel, orry, we are out of time. ank you very much for joining us tonight. >> thank you. > american troops in afghanistan are not only fighting the warthey are also fightingto save the lives of i

>> tha happened at both noodle baand ssam bar. and it just took a lot of -- i always say it was progressionof accidents. we sort of just with a lot of greapeople, too. we have a lotof good people that offer eat advice and great opinns and ssam bar was an examplehere i had idea to do sort fastood. it was terrible, terrible idea. >> charlie: why i was a rrible idea? >> decided to take a menu item from lch from noodle bar thatome obsre menu item me a whole restaurant out o i nody had any idea whathe hell we were doing. i don't know -- retrospect i don't know what the hell i w inking. >> charl: not only that, this was a place you chose a locati which was not a pce that people went for lunch. >> no. 13th street and 2nd avenue. >> charlie: iwas for lunch that yr business depded, that wasn't smart at all. n at all. zero, zo -- >> charlie: you stopped making fast fo stuff. >> then listening tooaquin baka and tim hoe who bame partners in itll, we started -- this not how you do it. this is not how yo plan a restaurant you start fast food th

well, thas... i know tha what is good judgment and how would good judgmenpply in circumstce a, circumsnce b, circumstance c? you clrly have to have principles and you have to have createive renewaand you have to have a capacity in a sse to the absence o hubri you have thave a certain humility and at the se time you have to have certain boldness and confidence. all the things speak you. those are wos that speak to u. on the one hand humility, on e other hand boldness. onhe one handisk taker on the other hand prudence. on the o hand this, on the other handhat. it is all there and y derstand that those arehe. you're still lt with the hd, tough decision making responsibility of saying "within thoschoices, how do i make the ght choice?" and i'm noture this boo or any other book has the capacity to tell yo that. >> no. >> rose: bause in the e, you've lrned from history or you will repeat story. on t other hand, new waters are cstantly flowing int every river and so is consntly changing. >> i'll offer two

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and i think thas the bi message. take theisk in order to preserve what u believe in. >> the futurof iraq and the pspectives o ty zinni xt. funding with for charl rose has been providedy the following: captioni sponsored by rose communications from our studi in new york ty, this is charlie rose. >>ose: as the united states military shifts its resources and mind-s to afghanistan, 130,000 troops rain in iraq. since june 30th th have withawn from the cities d are taking on a subordinate advisor role where u.s. officers made decision iraqisfficers are now largely in char. there has been fricon and there has been violence bu the top u.s. comnder general ray odeiron says the transition has ge better thanxpected. he says the u.s. military will play a stabilizing role as the coury prepares for nation elections in january. but washington wilhave let's leverage aitresses ime minister maliki wards political reconciltion on oil, law and solving a border dispute with the kurds. the geral has said that ar-kurdish tension is the num

i think tha they wereeady for the story to betold. beuse they know that, acknowledge it really hpened first step to healing process. it really wantsaduys. do we wanto go back t this. looking at it saying, near 20 years ago, enormous changes now ying come on let's lookhat was really like. we did feel very welcome and le blessed. >> chaie: i don't know if the director had this coersation. but wh you decide to go f ben kingsy, wha-- are you just saying i want a vy good actoor are you saying, i within a sy beast? or areou sayingsayg i want someone who what are you saying? >> i don know what she's ying. >> charlie: you want something that you s, get me either sir ben or get me a sir ben. becae they want some quality. cause you emby in many controls somebody who has a nd of discipline and determition and toughness and kind of -- >> maybe. >> charlie: d y believe that or not >> charlie, you put me on the ot here. let me evadehe question and give you swer answer at the sa time. >> charlie go ahead. >> i thk if i weren't an actor i might be in

we need a lot more of them rather tha specialists. sothere ismoney inentives for educatnal programs to courage young mecal students to go dn that road o create a larger mass ofthat kind of doctor and nurses. gwen: i want to come bk to this qestion bout senaor baucus nd the peole in congress inthis. from gertrudein californiaand thomas iwisconsin both ant to know, it has been reported senator max aucus receives major fundi from the heah industry. how can he be objctive, they want to know? >> well, mosof the ey lawmars on the keycommittees receive a od bit of industry mone that'sust where the contributions come. i mean, actually, if you top and thinkbout it over on the house de, the energynd commer committee, that is a big money comittee because of the instries that the gulate and versee. now, you knw, that sai, there e all sorts of influenc that are coming into these lawmakers all e time. i think what most of them ould tell you is, you now, campai contributions isne sort of influee. their home and their dstricts d their states right no

any idea how tha might work successfully? >>ure. but somehow they resist it.hink the wayo reach a unger audience is to have five veryood columnist, one monday, oneuesday, one wednesday, one thursy, one friday. suose you did a two-minute lumn at the end of e news and jontewart did one and ellen degeneres did one and chris buckley did one andhen on friday night i'd get the editor of some college newspaper to do one. that's how you're going to brincollege kids -- tavis: i accept. >> you got it. tavi even well into his 80's donewitt was still thinking of innovative ideas and perhaps nothing speaks me to his lega than this, last sunday night, me than 40 years after its debut the ngle most watcd television in all of television,60 minutes." don hewitt passed away today at the age of 86 following complications from pancreatic cancer but the shadowf his legacy willxtend for generations toome. that's our show for tonight. until xt time, good nigh lfromng from l angoses. and as alway keep the fai. >> for more information on today's show, visit tavissmiley@pborg. tavi hi,

it isimportant that tha system refles allegments society. hispanic are obviously t faest growing and largest minor ny the country so the pictures tters. it's impornt for hispanic chilen and it's important for all people in this country for the picture o the supre court to reflect the broad scope, the rich mosa that we are as a people. >> reporter: m vary gas, the lastword. >> agree. i think the optics of it, of having a hspanic on the supreme court afterall these years is a wonderl thing. 's a monumental historic occasion. but i agree withenator hatch in that i think it would have be preferable to have a nominee that m not have been tha controversial, i think republins in the snate also sent a msage to predent obam saying this ithe line, don't go any furer to theeft than ts i any future supreme court nominations tt you might have. >> report: danny vargas, andy kut and ramona romer, thank you very ch. >> thank yo >> woodruff: you can find ou how your senatorvoted on the sotoyor confirmation at our web site, newshour.pbsrg. also there, an terv

t democrati process. >> itsn't. >> is tha right. >> no. >> yah, i think we can both agree on that.e're nothouting at each other all these yrs, so yeah. >> so nothing, so what is e effect on health-care reform is the any effect, does it justtop the deate. >> it chanes the wol bate. i mean theoverage, bty ann has done great covere about the cas pro an con for the pros -- proposals. she'seduced to being fightreporter and interviewing e people on eiher side. i mean not reduced to that but i mean that's the story. and so the sto is to you out the protests instead of abt theroposal. > all right. sothing else to talk about toy. a little bit of good economic news, david. unemployme numbers came out and surprise, they were a little bit bett than what people expecte >> not as baas we thought. and if you are ling 240,0 jobs, this comes as od news, i guessment and i think it is apiecehich is the depth of the recessi we have sort of, it went down whad a total collapse and n we are here sort of at a flat leve now the date has erupted a retroactive debate abo the stimus bill and how much the stim

>> i bieve tha we... tha that woulde a problem fo them to have the bomb. and it would requi... if they wereo get the bombnd we could. we did not strike we would have to alter our whole syem of containment and action in the middle eas which would be counterpductive. i think... you know, i agree wi senator mccain and all the that have said that that is a red line. now, what you do about it xwks prlematic. there arno good answers. i me, if you decide on a strikeall the thingswe talke out here, it could be the outcome and hoyou handle that. so the idea is not t get to th point. you haveot to start trying to prent that now. anddiplomacy and pressurend sanctions and encouragementof those industry i the stets thatent t and very courageously are the kds a that can be do now. >> rose:mart power. >> smart power. >> rose:hat was pt one of our convertion with general zinn part two tomrow night. see you then captioning sponsed by rose communitions captioned media access group at wgbh access.wh.org

one way or the other. >> peggy noonan writes i "the wall street joual" this week that every big idea tha works is marked by clarity. ere is the clarity in this debate, nina? >> that is the probm. there artoo many movin parts. i's like the hum back. most people have back pblems, and mrobama has ba problems beuse there is the question of controingosts, who do you cover, the devery of services. th is the pblem. of course, these are all real problems. but it is just too ha to explain. there isot a single thing. what i don't unrstand is th nazi analogies,people showg up with hitlerustache is pnted on presideobama. peop showing up with loaded weapons. at presidential four run how do they t away with that? >> that a provocative act and act of intimidationnd has no place in pitics. maybe ey are trying tsay that the second amendmt is a viable a that they are emphasizing their right to the second amendment. this isgoing to have political discourse. it ialso potentially very dangerous. >> i wan to say something about this. during t bush administratn, there wereots of people pushed away from rlies b

>> well, mubak was really eager to reestablish for al to see the fact tha he's back in the good graces ofin and of the whi house. >> rose: andthat he's hethy and moving. >> that's true. d i think he got that out of hisisit. he also reay played up the fact that before the visit h wantedo get in his thoughts to presidt obama before oba makes any kind of an announcement ofome sort of a peace initiate. and so i n't think that president murak really brought anything new as far as i've heard in terms of ideas, but he's really trying to press obama, i think, toe very foeful in this initiative d effect to try to impose some kind of a lution on the region. >> are the egyptians successful at all i trying to bri togetheratah and hamas? >> they've been working at this for a coupl of years now they haven't been successful. they're launching new shuttle diplomacy effort now instead o convening the o factions in cairo which they've been doing fomonths and months. but i have to say, frankly, i think this is a very difficult thing to do. d i'm not that optimistic that the eptians are goingo be able to

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>> i think more tha people reize because i argue in the ok that jesus...the jesus of the gosps is misadingnd that real jesus was ss about universal love. i think th doctri comes much mo from the apose paul and i ink jesus was more an old-fashioned fire and brimstone.... >> rose: social activt? no, the opposite. this is one common interetation of him mow isthe nd of lefting visionism th the sufficient that's true all the stuff abt feeding the poor. and he may haveeen big on feedg the poor,hat's poible. >> rose: b he was in essence... you were going to say. >> i think he was a fire and brimstone apocalypti preacher if y want... judgmt day is coming. that pt is clear in e gospels. but i think that was much more the co of his message and think they was jewish apocalyptic preacr. he w talking to fellow israelitis. he wasn'.. i don't think he was intereed in spreading the spel to the nations. i think he was a local apocalyptic preacher with fiery etoric and that's wh mohammed was ithe days when he was a street preach in mecca. now, unlike jesus, mohammed actuall

and those that were never more tha half filled. this one was start 20 years ago, wose italian firm was hired to finh it. >> believe it was awarded in '89, '0 and construction started in '91 and stopped in '92. the problems,ome of them materia were missing and since tn it hs been in state of noncompleon until rently when it was rearded. >> itis one more symbol of a governme flushed with oil revees that lost its beings. >> the reality is easyoney like we get om the oil industry has created more problems than solutions. -- >> that is what culminate mood huge imports of virtually rice, en mae and also importof all other luxury items. >>e says oil revenues went to buy everything that should ve been made or grown here. licies that urbanized the country, even built a whole new capitol city. thomas is with the noovernment group acion aid. >> the able-bodied people, you know,ho otherwiseere involved in our culture now headed forhe cities. t local people what do they have to sw for the g dance. their siation never changes. >> who made the ne

god. >> se: god, buthat's it. >> god and me, thas about it.re: does your career own you? >> no, no. >> rose:ou give erything to your career. does you career. whateverou have to do f your career, you'll do it. >> it's not about my career so much as it's abouty life. it's about who i , what i do and what i'm best at. i do love myareer. but it nev was just about money to me. it was abouthe art. it was about the fact that i wrote. god gave me talent an i think he wanted me to make the most of it. so iout tre and ifeel like i touch people, i feel lik i make a difference, i feel like i can write songs for ople who cat exess themselve so i really think i'm helping, you know? i really feelike i am. >> rose: and if 100% is all the talent you have, how much of it are you using >> well, i don't knothat. i ask god l theime tohow me new this and new ways but try to give erything i got with what i got to work with. i'd give it a i got. >> rose: (laughs i'd say that. doest getasier? >> well, i love it. >> rose: writing, performing. >> well, i really lovehat

first i heard tha it spread in mexico then also spread in america. >> i take precautions for myself, i clean th pigs and make su i wear a mask when i enter the cge. >> reporter: no one is sure whether thearmers are adopting su practicees o whether most farmers n afor protective gear. and even though the fear of the bird u and swinelu viruss mixing, no ones sure when or if such a superug ight emerg dr. o'leary hds the world ealth organization office cambodia. >> i think it's largely a theoretical concer at this point, because we have many kinds of vuss around us all the time. so while we have to say that it's possible tat thesewo or oter virus may mix and reult in a new virus, that's essential always the case. we can have such a enario y time. >> repoer: he says the risk diseases that jump from one specs to another has risen in rece decades, with dozens of example from e bow la t lyme disease. >> theestruction of forests are ohhe urbanizion of people, that'sreated new opportunies for new kinds of interaction betweenumans and animals. another is the ease with which people move aroundhe

i think tha has bee the biggest how do you say it barrr in the past.ere was all thi talk about how discipline and more al woul destroyed, if women entered the groups, not in the infantry but the oppite is the case. >> bnie: don't weave another factorere, which is a body shortage. first all i'm not sure that - certainly a congressional act could change it but wha we're talking about right now is pengon policy which can be chaed without an act by congress. if you have theseommanders skirting the pentagon policy, why doesn't the penagon say hey, guys, we simply don't have the luxury of having enough soldrs, in an all-volunte army, not to putomen who phically qualifyinto combat. >> i think it's happening on the ttle field but when you look at poly, women want polies. if they decide to join the military they don' want to be shut out of 80%f the jobs. but when you see surveys of women they don't want to car 80-pound packs. >> bone: they do b ovwhelmingly ay times surveys have shown they want into combat. >> certainly combat res. >> bone: because it affects w

tavis: isn't tha the problem now?n for all the mey that we painto the stem, one courled arguthat americans are not getting what they oht to be get sfrg the nd of money they are paying io the system ast is now? >> well, i think there are many people who douestion the value that the health careystem is deliveng and many research studies suggesthat as much as 1/3 of the healtcare cts really is wasted or isot producing value. the answer to thateally is to inst in healtcare information technology. how many times havyou been to one doctor to take a test, gone to another docr and the been asked to repeat the sameest. that can be an emple of wae. ife conne the system electrically you can get the care you need but it is an example of squeezing the waste out of the stem. i didant to make one other point. i think the dcussion to have public program is a diversion agnst the central goal that we should have toet and keep everyo covered. one punt return uninsured isne person -- oneerson uninsured is o person too many. tavis: why ha

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theye being driven in tha direction by the difficulty in setting up and runng a practice, the expectation about about the enomics ofunning a practic and by the fact tha the kwledge has expanded hugely, a it's very difficult for one iividual to surround an entire field bythemselves, and so they want to have colleagues. and finally, they're being drin there becauseoctors ar no so interested any more in being on call 24 hrs a day, seven days aweek. they want to have some sort of peonal balance in their les. >> woodruff: so youhink this worry is overblown that doctors are still morenterested in their independence and keeping their pay scale high? >> think that we now pay physicians well, but they'r not -- they do nothave an incentive just to drive volume, and they get paid for a year's salary, they getaid in conjunction with what a specialtyould id on an average across the country, but they don't have the obligation torive more volume or do more tests. i think that is t difference. >> woodruff: i've seen you quoted recently tat you're worried that there is not eugh focus in this health ce ref

tha was the ar tha he decid to ru against jimmy carter. tryingto wrest the demratic nomination from then- president jimmy carter. let me ask you specifically at kennedy didn that race. >> i think it created a kind of ambivalence. we had elected carter in976. the black vote me a huge difference in putng him in te white house, and i think there were some feelings about which way to go, whher to stay with e incumbentr stay with kennedy. i forget at the breakdown was, bui was very much aware there was a sit. tavi w have heard t since his passingabout his strong and unequivocal record on cil ghts. let me ask you to properly contextualize where he stands, how the rates, juxtaposed against his brother? my read of it is john f. kennedy h the record, robert kenne got better over time before he di duri the civil rights er but edward kennedy was the best othe three. >> there is no questi about that. he had something to bld on. an he had with his brother the presidt did and his brother the attorney general and nator did, and built on it and he had lau

what is ironic in tha speech, as you all remember wh weaw, "the dam shall never die."as not writing -- running againstthe coervative. he was nning against the cerist at theime, a demoat, for president. he was always in a struggle with that centralism juryt. tt centralism was in my ways personified by joh kendy. if he would have ever r ainst jon, in theory he would have been o the left and john would have been in the cenr. >> there are obviously dferent times d a host of different issues and thcold war was over. but he changed the language of the 1980 speech, "the dream will never die" and in 200 " the dream liveon." he said in 1968 ani do not -- he said in 1980, i do not mind ing preside, ijust mind that somebody else is. >> -- i do not mind not been president, i just mind that somebody else is. >> his ideas and ideals are stamped on scores ofaws and reflted in millions of lives. seniors to no new date inhi, families who no new opportuny, children who know educatio's promise and all who canursue eir dreams in an america that is more equal and more just, including mylf.

it is not the taliban tha insisted on itnly. it cares this kind of value and tradition and chae it... fo socialchange rather than just, you know, issue a claration of sendingheir daughters to school. >> rose: here is tomriedman, july 26. thsame day present obama spoke to the muslim world from cairo university, osa bin lan released a long statent on his islamic web site and on al jazeera as the yptian middle eaern expt noted, ama beat osaa hands down. ask the content of oma's speechand they will tl you, d what osamma sd and many wi say, "did he give a eech?" >> prior to obama's speech, one night orwo night before the speech, and his argumentwas that whatever obama is going to sa will deceive you becau look at what has been happeng-- len and what happing in afghanistan? really there wilbe a change we will see how that willbe reflected on theillingf civilians. that was his message. however, obama's spch, which in my opinion concentrated on ve go facrs, the scheduling of withdrawalfrom iraq, where he-- was something solid that we ha

>> well, i think tha some of the ctical changes in the bill haveto do wh the inability to rase rates on existing balances other th in verypecific situationshat are either directly related to a nsumer or relate to a variable rate card. the facthat over-limit fees can'te charged unless conmers actually opt into i in advance, the fact that we're seeing the end of universal defat andouble-cycle billing and the fact... >> reporter: explain universal default for people. >> uversal defaultis basically if sothing negativ re to occur to a consumer with another credit card or in anoer particularinancial situation, that aredit card coany could point to that and immediateljump a rate from, let's say a 15.99% rate up to a deult rate based the perception that there is somethg negative occurring throughout the enti credit hitory of this particular consumer and it may relate to a specific incent. it may relate to ju one mssed payment on one card and suddenly t entire financial situation collapses in on th cnsumer. that's not fair. >> reporte well, ns a ddis, a lot of these came about because of a pe

it sort of cseled off the edges of tha agenda. the same thing'sappening now. and demrats have gone t far left. they ent too much money. they're movingaster than the middle omerican litical thought is ready to go. and they' learning the same lesson. >> re: are they doing that because it is their ideaologicallace or are they doinghat because they look athis economic crisis a they are pullng all the strings they know. >> listen, what barack obama is doing is whatonald reagan tri to do in 1981. what bill clinton tried to do in 1993. and the first year, they have lookeat history. and you ve a honeymo period. you try to get as much done asuickly as you can get donbecause you knowafter the first year, it's a long, hard slog so that is what he is trying to do. but the probleis what america wants hm to do is focus on as mikebarnacle says, three things jobs, jobs and jobs. t also barack obama is limid by what happened over the past eight years. >> george w. bush athe republican congress ran the debt up about $11 trillion. rack obama's fit budget was ver expensive, it do

one thing tha's got the hite house consternated is this mocrat on democrat acti. rahm emuel, chief of staff to the president of th united stes, went to a meeti this week o liberal inteest groups and told them in fairy blunt terms he thnks he was aske a estion about theseads targing blue dog demorats, that that's nt -- that that's a stuid way -- th's a ice way of hat he really said -- >> a few expletives? >> of couse. >> it is ahm emanuel aer all. >> if in act the bipartisan negotiations founder does that mean the so-alled public option is a lot more alive than it has appeared in conversaons in the last couple weeks? >> hat's a very go questn. the same prblems the republicans havwith the pulic option are shred by a t of the so-called blue dogs. and rember these ae people rahm anuel help elect when they too back the house in 2006 he's as cognizant as aybody that you don't ant to damage them and risk them losintheir seats in 2010or youhaven't accomplished anything. john: the ix went up to the white house trying to reach bipartisan agreent how important is thathere? >

. >> tha you. >>> as you hea, india's now dealing th the andemic.tonight'sblogwatch, we u to sharewith you oneomment thateed to put the fluirus and how people are sponding in perspeive. ivanuand ras writes fom india -- as my good friend p , 200 peoe get swine flu a the ole of india was to wear surge rical masks. 20 million people hve aids ad nobody wants twear a condom. >>> as weontinue on this thursd evenin our other big theme hereonight is the glob economy. o of europe biggest economies, germany and france, report signs of recory. each saw grth. yes, we said growth of % in this year's second quarter. but those are just two untries, and despite turnaround for the much of europe is still mid in recession, as we hear this report frodeutsche welle. reporter: one reason for th positi trend in germany isan improvement the construction industry. but consumers have already done theibit, continui to spend money roughout the crisis. and they'veeenhelped by berlin economic stimulus packages. >> the slowdown in production is w over. we're entering ahase of st

tha only one group has challenged me on anything. that is the white house. and they haven't challenged met on the facts, except during the broadcast they have e-mailed h several times and said stop and calling ben jones a czar. they say he is a special advisor.cial that is the fact. nobody is has challenged any of the facts but they have e personally attacked me and this show relentlessly. why is that? one would think if all of these things weren't true peoplee would worry about, you know, things like this. let me show you.thet this is just a couple of thea things. ben jones, member of storm, aes radical communists. he was arrested.nist, he is advising the president w. now. stimulus mon stimulus money written beyy thr apollo aliance. the former founder of thetner weather underground, bill ayerl partner, the guy who wasoard blowing up the pentagon, is on the board, in fact the chair od the apollo alliance and helping spend the money in the. stimulus. peter, storm, followedwron teachings of mow and advising obama.unfued unfunded liabilities now $100 trillion.

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the bush admintration had sent him on tha mission. so i think presides can play a very iortant diplomac role here in terms ofasing tensions and geing certain american foreign polynterests onhe ground. >> h it always worked out,r had their bee gaffe >> well, ihink that president carterade a major faux paw recently when heried to interject himself in the israeli/palestian dialogue. nd he ended up alienating israel, d reallyaking the siation far wor than iwas when it -- when he first began. >> we've only g about0 seconds left. but i wurprised by howhis is actually policy that goes back someme. i mean, al the way to theodore roosevelt? >> well, theodore roosevelt represented the united states a the ste funeral for the king of englandat the beginning of the 20t entury. and during his funeral, you h all of the crowned heads of rope just beforethe outbreak of worldar i. and it washere that theore roosevelt prively came to the conclusion that wa was coming, d of course he was right. >> he was. thomashalen, thank you very much for joini us ton

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is tha true? >> yes. >>ose: the 20th nturiy last two decadeswere t hottestn 400 years. >> that's probly true, but the last-- aually the la decade s been cooler. and-- >> rose: cooler than th prious decade? >> y. and it's not at all clear whether the rise isontinuing or n. >> rose: you ao believe at certain biotechnologies will in the end serve to reduce the impact of global warming. >> yes, i think-- o course, first of all i don't bieve glob warming is bad. think that's first question to be settled. >> rose: anotherso is global warming d? >> no, i would say warming is certainly real, but it's mostly happening cold places a high latitudes, and it'also happening re in winter than in summer, and it's also hapning more at ght than in dti. >> rose:s the emission of much c.o.2 into t atmosphere a good thing? >> yes. rose: even though it breaks whater it does uphere. >> yes, i woul say it's a very good thing. it makes plants growbetter. but ants cannot consumall the c.o.2ut there. >> no, but they're doing better

now, tha i amsorry,s not a rationa or reason for sending americans into- >> if you are parent andave a younman or woman of there being ot at a regular basis and you s why are we here, why my son or daughter there -- >> i think that this one is a lot easier to talk to those parents about that iq. this is e root of september 11. through the taliban, hopefully to al qaeda. and that is the path, and that is one thatcan be justified, i think, to parts much more easily tha iraq might have been. this is about getting osama bin laden. >>es, but not if it is an unwinnable war. that is the greatirony. demoats are the ones who id that afghastan is the good war, the wwar -- r it war, that w should at all the time to but how you fight war in a country that nev was a countr iraq was a winnable war. afghanistan is war that only at a minimum is winnae, meeting in keeping at te the talin and al qaeda. the idea of constructi a new democracy afghanistan,s we have alst successfully done in iraq, is out of the question. afghanistan neve was a country and is not going to be democracy. thinke have to redef

that is a low poin -- >> tha is low point? do you he a college-age child >> by chance > i do, a we're ping it does not make it to the point. >> i stted college when was 16and it did not have to be branded. weound it. >> t jt a college children but all the children are going back to hool, and i call that a high point. right aroundhe same time, members of congress will lea the town halls andeturn to the capitol domeand that is all to the good. >> i would say it is sortf it what side -- a combination of a hi and low pointeing that it is e end of an era with the passing of the kennedynd the start of aew era. both sides of the same issue. >> but it really is the end of "those boys", joseph sons. i hao great love of t kennedy dynasty, but i'm sad to see it end in a way because it has alys been there, and one kennedy has always been inhe senate in my time america, which goes back a very long way now. that isur program for today. we hope you have an enjable summer, whats left of it, and you can see us on the web at whchronicle.com. th

tha as reform in funding, we didn't get the funding.he one aspect of the ledge station that still rings, thats is we mean every child. it shoulbe every child.d the administration still leaves out 7 million out of it. but we want to troy and ma sure that one's left behind t inerms of the education system. that's what we're going to try to do. we get alot of burps with that. but an ecational system thatti really is the second tonone and then obviously the health care. i've suprted ten differentup lls. single player going bac 35oi years. i'm hoful thatinally in 2008 we're going to elect someone that's going t actually get thee unirsal health care. and i ho i'll be aroundlong enough to be able tope be as a stro supporter and help getr him through eening co. >> ros you seem in pretty good ape to me. universal heah care is where we oug to be? t that'shere john edwards says we ought be. paul kruan.we >> i lik that, medicare for alor i think that does it. but the point aboutit is if you ask me to sitown with jn in a room on thishing and our dif