that's who signed it, him on on behalf of the llc? ecause the agreement specifically provided for this course of action it had to be d.d. let me also say this. this hasn't been touched on. >> please. >> paragraph 8.6 of the agreement makes it clear that if all parties, all parties d.d., e.c., and ms. daniels, if all parties do not sign the agreement, there is no deal. all parties did not sign the agreement. there is no deal. >> what do you think happens next? do you think we get to see this on "60 minutes" this week? >> i certainly hope so. i believe the american people deserve to hear her out, deserve to know the truth what happened relating to the payment of these monies, where they came from. and i don't understand what is so complicated about this. i don't understand why the president cannot come out and state unequivocally did he know about the agreement, the payment, and did he have anything to do with the payment being made? three very simple questions. you don't need 140 characters on twitter in order to answer those three ques

he entered into an agreement through the llc that he set up. for donald trump under the name david denison for a financial contract. isn't is unethical for michael cohen to enter into an agreement on behalf of david denison without actually informing president trump? >> let's get to the agreement itself. the agreement is between stormy and ec l.l.c. >> and david denison. >> and it says and/or. that's a key "or." he was representing the llc. it was a valid agreement. and donald trump -- >> why have david denison's name in there at all? >> because it's third party beneficiary that nobody's talking about. there could be a third party beneficiary to every contract. so michael cohen was act beiing the best interest of his client. >> doesn't he have to tell the third party, his beneficiary that he's entering into an agreement for their benefit? >> he doesn't have to. because he's inside counsel. he was general counsel to that organization. so he could enter -- >> so you're saying, but wait, right, but you're saying he's general counsel for the trump

the agreement is between tomorrow my and ec llc. it says and/or. he was representing the llc. legal for michael cohen to represents that llc. and entering the agreement. it was a valid agreement and donald trump -- >> why have david dennison name in there. >> it could be a third party beneficiary to every single contract. that's what happens here. michael cohen is acting in the best interests of his client and his client is a third party beneficia beneficiary. >> does he have to tell his that third party, his bieneficiary that he's entering into an agreement. >> no, he does not have to because he's in-house council. he was general council to that organization. >> right, you are saying he's general council for the trump organization so he's there for representing donald trump. >> well, he was representing ec llc., that was created to entering into this dpreeagreeme. there was a quick probe and considerations on both sides and now he's going to break that agreement, okay? >> okay, pardon me, i am not a lawyer so i am not as smart as you guys. if he's entering into an agreement f

. >> can you say is it from the same llc that michael cohen set up for the one with stormy daniels?> so have is you actually looked at those nondisclosure agreements or you've just been told that they have them? >> we have viewed at least two nondisclosure agreements, but it's unclear as to which llc, if any llc, was used in connection with them. >> all right. >> and, again -- >> last hour i spoke -- >> again, i want to stress that this is very early on, we have not made a determination as to whether we're going to represent these women. what the next step is. so i want to be very cautious, again, i have preached caution throughout this process in it the last two weeks because i think it's important that we don't get over the tips of our skis and overstate facts and evidence in connection with this. >> just one more question on these other women you say have come forward. can you give a sense of the timing of any of the nondisclosure agreements that they have signed? >> not at this time. >> okay. last hour i spoke to david schwartz, a friend of michael cohen, an attorney of michael

her signature is on one of the legal documents that establishes the llc or at least is connected to thelc. there you see her signature. so what does this mean now? >> it makes michael cohen's explanation much less plausible. it begs the question of why are so many people connected to such a weird payment based on a relationship that she is claiming to have with donald trump. people in trump's orbit tan general challengely confirm that it has been dealt with legally. the more people that come into this, the more it raises legal questions for what this means in terms of trump's potential liability. if they were supposed to be paid back with campaign funds. it is a much less convenient excuse, that i'm not sure people were buying anyway. >> at the end of the day, who cares. maybe there was a violation. maybe there wasn't. it won't impact any way on the president. >> people care about that. >> do you think his voters care about any of this? if we're talking about the broader population of voters, do you think this is what's going to color their perception of president trump? >> i don't know

the llc did not have the right or the ability and in legal terms it's called standing to proceed with the arbitration. first of all you the wrong party. second of all mr. cohen was required by the bar rules to of california to be a licensed attorney in california or to have a licensed attorney as what is called local council. he did neither. that's a misdemeanor under the law. >> so he isn't licensed to practice law in california? >> there's nothing indicating that he is. we haven't been able to find any record of him being licensed in california. if he wasn't licensed in california it's a misdemeanor to be practicing law. it's no different if i came to new york or washington d.c. and attempted to practice law. i'm not licensed if those jurisdictions. that's the second problem with the arbitration. >> we have to take a break but i want to ask you that the bank itself, when they received $130,000 that was going to be movered t moved, they raised a red flag. it is a suspicious activity report. again, the question is where did this money come from? the conversation continues and later a

cohen and from others associated with the trump organization that there was no linkage between ec, llc, and the trump organization. mr. cohen has maintained that he formed that llc on his own, unbeknownst to mr. trump, unbeknownst to the trump organization, that he drafted the documents. >> and that he did it just out of loyalty to his friend, donald trump. >> correct. he expects the american people to believe he spent all this time and energy, hours upon hours doing all of this work, and the president never knew anything about it, and no one in the trump organization ever knew anything about it. we've already produced and you've shown some of the documents on the show. the trump organization e-mails. we now have these documents. the statement that was provided by ms. martin is demonstrably false. if you look at the first document that you showed your viewers, in the upper left hand corner it designates ms. martin as a representative, a legal representative of ec, llc. it's right there in the upper left hand corner. >> and she is a full-time employee of the trump organization. >> she i

when he created the llc. why did he do this when? >> because this is when it all went down. to create an llc -- >> avenatti says cohen went to here. >> he haavenatti makes no sense. llcs are created every single day for see owes, lawyers, doctors, politicians to enter into ndos to avoid litigation and save the embarrassment for their family. >> who approached -- >> stormy daniels was shopping the best deal she could shop. some call it hush money. i call it legal extortion. when you have a situation from 12 years ago and all of a sudden you want to collect as much money as possible, that's called -- >> motivations aside, are you saying the way this borkd, the timing matters. that cohen didn't close to the election date seek out stormy daniels and say let's quiet this up right now? >> she admitted on "60 minutes," she was shopping the best deal possible and then her lawyer called it, she said it on "60 minute minutes". her lawyer called her and said this is the best deal. they were shopping it to all kinds of places. >> you're saying her lawyer shopped it to cohen? >> i'm not s

>> oh, the llc that's entered into the settlement agreement was misnamed. it wasn't an actual entity. >> okay. was he part of that llc with the correct name? >> it's difficult to say. i think mr. mead operated in the shadows in some regard, and it was -- and it's difficult to see if he was the owner of that llc. >> further questions, commissioners? no? thank you. >> okay. thank you. >> mr. teague? >> good evening, president fung, commissioners. cory teague for planning department staff. again, the p.o. is for the property at 518 taylor street which is located in the rc-4 zoning district. i think it's important to understand that this letter of determination that's the subject of the appeal is kind of two separate but connected processes, and so the first was the current public health process. so to that end, in december of 2016, and once again in march of 2017, public health staff inspected the subject property and found numerous violations under article 29 of the health code. the property manager, jeffrey polk was present during both inspections and receive

the mistakes that were made, the whole way he set up the llc which was to keep this all quiet turned out to expose him and let all this stuff get out to the public. there are questions about donald trump has the best people. doesn't seem like michael cohen was performing at a very high level of lawyering in this case. >> i don't want to do espn for lawyers and -- >> that's fun. >> that's why we have you here. let me just add another geek question here. staying on the line he's more my cousin vinny than supreme court material, it would appear a lot of things about this payment raised a lot of flags in a lot of places. i mean, the payment itself was flagged by the bank to the treasury department which was led by donald trump's friend steve mnuchin. a porn star has been successfully able to break free from what was obviously hush money about an affair and is trying to tell her story. >> you're putting your finger why this is such a big deal. it's triggered, as you say, two suspicious activity reports, which is a financial legal requirement, it was done in a way that has created extra pro

cohen that there was no linkage between ec, llc and the trump organization. mr. trump maintained that he formed that llc on his own. >> that he did it out of loyalty. >> he expects the american people to believe that he spent all this time and energy doing all of this work and the president knew anything about it and no one in the organization knew anything about it. the trump organization e-mails. we now have these documents. the statement that was provided by ms. martin is demonstratively false. the first document that you showed your viewers, it designates ms. martin as a legal representative of ec, llc. >> and she is a full time employee as evidence by the state bar. and so there can be no question that the trump organization was representing ec, llc in connection with this arbitration and we need to remember the focus of the arbitration. the focus of this filing in february was to gag my client, put a muzzle on her and prevent her from speaking and that is why they filed the arbitration to obtain what is called a temporary restraining order. so this idea that

>> ec, llc entered into the contract. it's a real contract. >> you're saying donald trump had nothing to do with this. why have a line -- >> he has everything to do with it. he was a third party beneficiary. you're just not acknowledging that fact. he's a third party beneficiary to this contract. he doesn't have to be a party to the contract to benefit from the contract, but he certainly can enforce the contract like a third party beneficiary can, and this is a contract. you are advising your client to blatantly violate a contract. you know what, she's liable for $20 million and this is an air-tight contract. an air-tight contract. $1 million per violation. it's not just the disclosure -- >> where do you get the $20 million figure? >> if you read -- >> are you talking about her appearances on the make america horny tour? >> no. there are 20 different -- there are 20 different violations. you can see it because in the contract, as it was artfully crafted, it's even the threat of a violation. it's even the threat of disclos

the bottom line is ec llc entered into the contract. >> but he's saying if donald trump had nothing to do with this -- >> he had everything to do with it. he's a third party beneficiary. he doesn't have to be a party to the contract to benefit from the contact, but he certainly can enforce the contract like a third party beneficiary can, and this is contract. and you are advising your client to blatantly violate a contract. $1 million per violation, and it's not just the disclosure -- >> where do you get the $20 million figure? are you talking urt her appearances on the make america -- >> there are 20 different violations and you can see it because in the contract as it was artfully crafted, it's even the threat of a violation, the threat of a disclosure is under violation of a contract. so she's going to be liable for $20 million, and michael cohen going to collect every single pen penny of that money. make no mistake. he's going to collect everything. >> anderson, why isn't your name on the contract? why isn't my name on the contract? why isn't his name on the contract? if mr. cohen

cohen and the entity e.c., llc, sent e-mail correspondence to me threatening that if ms. daniels continues to talk, she may be subjected to significant additional damages. >> i want to ask you about this arbitration. you say the -- that back, i think it was february 27th, that michael cohen, quote, surreptitiously initiated a bogus arbitration proceeding against ms. clifford in los angeles. can you describe what happened? >> well, our understanding and kwietd honestly we're still looking into this, anderson. our understanding is mr. cohen, on behalf of the entity e.c., went into adr services in los angeles, filed an arbitration proceeding, managed to get adr services to a point, an arbitrator immediately. then managed to get that arbitrator to issue a temporary restraining order against ms. daniels. he did so without any notice to ms. daniels, no prior notice to ms. daniels -- >> she didn't even know this was happening? >> she had absolutely no idea. that was by design of mr. cohen. she had no idea it was happening. no opportunity to respond. no opportunity to present her

those could have been accomplished with simply sticking with the legal representation of the llc. y then would the president who the white house has tried to isolate from this case get involved? >> well, that's a great point. and it depends upon, i mean, you know, who knows if the president is involved. will we get a tweet from him saying i have no idea what's happening in this case. these are lawyers that are dealing with the case. but, certainly, if this matter is concerning the president, that is undeniable. issues to who had the affair. it involved the president. issues as to what physical threats were made. right? we don't know that involves the president, but we know certainly someone is protecting the president and there comes a point in time that the president or his people now have to take control of this litigation, particularly, victor, when there is a "60 minutes" interview looming. some time in the next, what, the 25th, a couple sundays from now in which she'll tell all. so y think this is their part, their time to get out ahead of it and understand something very impo

you talked about the llc. i want to read how new york magazine put this. n claims he paid the money out of his own pocket which make him the perpetrator. there's document showing the payment was sent to cohen at his trump tower location and communicated through his official trump organization e-mail. that strongly indicates and perhaps even proves cohen was making the payment on trump's behalf. do you agree with that? >> it may be that he was giving the money on trump's behalf but the money was sent to him through, perhaps, the campaign. perhaps the -- some other person, maybe trump. we don't think so. this is a possibility but it appears he said that he fronted that money. even if it was a loan that he made and reimbursed, that is manager that was given to influence the campaign. >> thank you so much for being with us. >> thank you. >>> daniels and mcdougal, only the latest to allege sexual conduct by then businessman trump. although the two claim their encounters were consensual. many claim varying level of nonconsensual assault. alleged groping to this.

first of all, the arbitration was not brought in donald trump's name but in the llc. name that the attorney set up. in legal terms it is called standing to proceed in the arbitration. second of all, mr. cohn was required by the bar rules in california to be a licensed attorney in california or to have a licensed attorney as to what is called local counsel. he did neither. that's a misdemeanor under the law. >> so wait, michael cohn isn't licensed to practice law in california? >> we haven't been able to find any record of him being licensed in california. that is a misdemeanor to be practicing law in california. no different than if i came to new york or washington, d.c., i am not licensed. >> we have to take a break. but i want to ask you, the bank itself, when they received the $130,000 that was going to be moved to given to stormy daniels' attorney, they raised a red flag. again, where did this money come from. the conversation continues with our legal panel. later, stoneman douglas high school student whether the new laws just passed goes far enough. they have just

at first they deny the payment, then they said they made it through the llc, now there's arbitration. the white house has dodged the questions repeatedly, have said literally nothing. we've repeatedly sought answers on what happened here. i think sarah sanders yesterday was trying to say that the president and his lawyer had won in a court in california. i'm not sure if that made it better. i don't know how else to defend this at the podium. what is a better recourse for her? >> the issue is, it appears to be the truth that the president is somehow involved in this lawsuit, in this legal action. the problem with the truth is it would make the president more connected to this issue than the white house has said to this point. molly ball, mark sanford, congressman from south carolina, former governor from south carolina, an interesting figure to be commenting on the scandal, yet his comment is fascinating on this. hush money is a big deal, particularly if it's not ancient history. talking about a payment in october of 2016. that's not a long time ago. talking about money exchanged in th

could those two things have not been accomplished through the attorneys for the llc without the president's personal attorneys getting involved? >> you know, that i don't know to be quite honest. i'm not an attorney so i don't understand all -- >> neither am i. >> i don't understand all of the procedural nuances here. it does appear that would they are trying to achieve in getting this vacated to federal court is as to move it back into arbitration in which case all of the proceedings would be confidential. if this happens in a courtroom setting, the filings are public, many of the proceedings are public, so the end goal for trump and for cohen at this point is of course to keep as much of this secret as possible. that is the whole reason they are trying to enforce this nda. >> all right. a lot to cover there. thank you. >>> russia is kicking out british diplomats after the uk ricked out russian diplomats. so what will the uk's next move be? the roasted core wrap. 3, 2, 1... not cool. freezing away fat cells with coolsculpting? now that's cool! coolsculpting safely freezes and removes fat c

until he recovers every single penny from stormy that's due the llc. >> i've seen a lot of attorneys intimidation tactics. the problem is, if that is your speed, if you are a one-trick pony, and you use that in every case, when all of a sudden you run up against somebody that doubles down and that isn't intimidated, then you're lost. >> cohen flew mar-a-lago to dine with the president the night before stormy daniels appeared on "60 minutes." if you're michael cohen, you're the ultimate loyalist. >> the words the media should be using to describe mr. trump are generous, compassionate -- >> and you still believe donald trump will be loyal -- >> kind, humble, honest -- >> to you. gloria borger, cnn, washington. >> gloria, thank you. next, a new report as president trump has a grudge against amazon. today we saw the stock take a huge hit. what the white house had to say about whether those two things are related. if you'd have told me three years ago... that we'd be downloading in seconds, what used to take... minutes. that guests would compliment our wifi. that we could video conference.

so this new development, you have amended the lawsuit to include michael cohn, previously it was the llcy amend it now and what is the accusation of defamation? >> well, what we have done is brought in michael cohn individually. previously it was the limited liability company that he set up. we have named michael cohn individually as it relates to what we allege are defamatory statements that he made. namely, he made statements earlier this year whereby he said the affair never happened in not so many words and made my client out to be a liar. we are going to test the voracity of his statements. you played the interview of my client and we think that 90% of america if not more found her very, very credible. and michael cohn has a lot of explaining to do relating to his statements. >> as part of the amendment, you are asking for monetary damages. i thought you said this wasn't about money, this was about invalidating this nda. >> i think we are going to be able to show there has been monetary damages that she suffered by way of his defamatory statements. above all else, she wants her name

not sleep, he doesn't sleep anyway until he recovers every single penny from stormy that is do you the llc i have seen a lot of attorneys use intimidation tactics, and be the problem is if that is your speed, and when all of a sudden you run up against somebody that double downs, then you are lost. >> reporter: cohen flew to mar-a-lago to design wiine with president the night before stormy daniels appears on 60 minutes. >> the words you should be using to describe mr. trump are generous and passionate, kind, humble, honest. >> reporter: loyal to you. anderson, we are going to have to wait and see whether michael cohen's faith in the president is actually going to be returned. you know, this is a difficult case now with stormy daniels. and there are lots of people who say they wouldn't be surprised if the president turned on michael cohen if things don't go well. but i can tell you, he doesn't believe that would happen. >> thank you. appreciate it very much. rejecting the opportunity to work for president trump as the russia investigation continues. termites. we're on the move. hey rick, al

amended the complaint to add cohen in his personal capacity as opposed to the professional capacity of the llc. this story is not going away. i think a brilliant move was a part to include the issue of the campaign violation, the hook in this case that really matters. that's a piece of the puzzle that could nullify the agreement between stormy daniels and d.t., or donald trump. you know, from a federal criminal defense attorney perspective, mueller and his team may be interested in that violation, and could use that as leverage against cohen to potentially cooperate in their investigation against donald trump in russia probe. >> that actually makes sense to me, that piece of michael cohen. judge andrew napolitano, a senior tha analyst, none of it s to do with the #metoo movement because she wasn't a victim. >> i applaud her for that, that she was not a victim, she engaged in this consentially. donald trump could be deposed in this lawsuit. that would be a really interesting twist. >> yeah. let's go back to the clinton era right now, some of the lessons learned from that moving forward in the l

he was the one who set up the llc, paid the hush money he claims out of his own pocket way back before 2016 and tried to file the restraining order. again, it's people within the president's orbit that have been directly tied to this. >> reporter: that's right. i think we only know about a couple of people within the president's orbit tied to this. it's already enough to be a damaging story for the president. there's a reason that stormy daniels or stephanie clifford wants to be released from her non-disclosure agreement. it's clearly because there's more to the story that she wants to tell. at this point, i'm honestly somewhat puzzled why the president and his attorneys don't simply release her from this non-disclosure agreement. it's hard for me to imagine that whatever she has to say could be more damaging than the slow drip of this story which seems to me to be tremendously damaging to the president and to the white house. >> very slow, deliberate drip i might add. michael avenatti clearly understands how to operate in the world of politics. the way he's brought this information ou

the question. michael cohen said he took out a home equity line of credit to put it in an llc account to be able to off stormy daniels. why? why is he randomly paying $130,000? now you have a problem. people like the fec is interested. the house judiciary committee sent a letter to michael cohen and two other gentlemen saying you might want to explain why you gave this money and by the way, there might be tax issues because the tax treatment on this money would trigger other violations of federal law. so michael cohen's now opening a huge pandora's box because he keeps on opening his mouth and keeps on trying to give excuses that don't have legal viability in terms of being credible. >> just to make an argument against it, is every aid you give, every contribution to a candidate a campaign contribution? you can say i drive his kids to school or anything that helps him. i helped his wife carry account groceries home. is anything a contribution to the well-being of a candidate a campaign contribution? >> here's the thing. it has to be a reported in kind contribution. there's a certain valuation amoun

that he took out a home equity line of credit, transferred money from one account at the bank into the llc, and then wired those funds to miss clifford's attorney in beverly hills. he said he has said that before and it is not new. but earlier today, after the e-mails were reported, stormy's attorney said, well, he smelled smoke. cohen has responded and i quote, he should either evacuate the room he's standing many or immediately seek the attention of an ent doctor. the war of words going really strong at this point. >> those war of words intensified. thank you. let's bring this jeffrey toobin and josh campbell. cohen is fiercely loyal to donald trump as he has been for many years. did he make a mistake in the way he transferred the funds? he did so using the trump organization e-mail account. >> i think it's hard to blame michael cohen for a problem donald trump created. if you are going to transfer money and try to do night surreptitious way, you might do it in a more savvy way. not using your own name. not using your own e-mail address. perhaps using a nominee. the fact remains $130,000

he makes various mistakes in the way he incorporates the llc. and handles the financial transactions. so the president now has a scandal unrelated to mueller, but equally problematic for him legally because yet another one of his advisers has let him down. >> apparently donald trump is trying to switch this imagery from what jimmy breslin's famous book title called "the gang that couldn't shoot straight" into doris kearns goodwin's concept of abraham lincoln's team of rivals in the cabinet. let's listen to how the president talked about all the energy you get from all of these rivals in the white house. >> it's got tremendous energy. it's tough. i like conflict. i like having two people with different points of view, and i certainly have that, and then i make a decision. but like watching it. i like seeing it. and i think it's the best way to go. i like different points of view. >> mckay coppins, he likes watching it. he likes seeing it. i wonder how much he liked seeing the sam nunberg version of the team of rivals on tv yesterday. >> can't imag

i transferred the amount to the llc. how he and and the media at large, i guess that's us, believes this to be breaking news is a mystery to me. your response. >> i've been very frortunate in my career. i think i actually got my first 15 minutes about 20 years ago. so that's number one. number two, i standby the statements that i've made. the fact of the matter is this can be cleared up very, very simply by mr. cohen provide ing all the financial documents that he believes substantiates this claim of his, that all the money was his money, and quite honestly if mr. trump was his client then why did mr. cohen draft an agreement that had numerous places where mr. trump were to sign and has a number of references to mr. trump within the document? it makes no sense. if i'm out operating on my own and my client doesn't know anything about it, i don't draft a document that has all these references to my client. >> last question. mr. cohen emphasis initial denial about the funds said he was not reimbursed by the trump campaign or

but he didn't mention this hush agreement, the llc, that owns the hush agreement, a possible loan from that is in there. and the notion that he didn't know about this is kind of silly. come on. have you ever given $130,000 gift to someone you worked with? that's ridiculous! mr. cohen had to taken out a home equity, apparently, he claims. he had to take it out of his home equity line of credit. >> it's hard to believe -- >> and a gift? come on! or at least that there was an understanding that he would be paid back. and we know he tried to reach, according to media reports, he was trying to reach mr. trump during this period when the $130,000 payment was delayed. you know, you have to ask yourself, was that a cold call out of the blue? or did trump know about it all the time? >> there's a lot -- it seems that there are a lot more layers of this onion to be unpeeled. we'll see how it all shakes out. thank you so much, ambassador. do appreciate it. >> thanks, pamela. >>> well, coming up on this sunday, hundreds of diners in a small english town now being told they should wash their belongi

find out that jill martin signed the document in the arbitration, representing the consulting firm, the llcand used the trump organization address and her only job as far as we know is the trump organization, she doesn't take cases on the side, so this raises the question of whether or not the trump organization is much more involved. one time, with one loirks mayaw one e-mail, i never really believed that. with jill martin, it makes it look like the organization is involved. >> so cnn asks martin just so you know the process, why is your signature on this arbitration document? the reaction actually comes from the trump organization. right? it comes from the trump organization, despite the assertion they're not involved, and this is what it says, working in a private capacity on behalf of cohen's attorney. the trump organization is not representing anyone and with the exception of one of its california-based attorneys and her individual capacity, facilitating the initial filing, the company has had no involvement in the matter. believable? >> no. it is also contradictory. it starts off by s

the parties to the contract are ec, llc, and stormy daniels. and certainly -- >> so why is there a line that says dd for donald trump? >> because it gave -- >> just for no reason? >> yes, because it gave the option for donald trump to be a party to the contract. instead, he's not a party. he's a third party beneficiary to this contract. >> in terms of that third party beneficiary, couldn't there have just been a contract between stormy daniels and the limited liability corporation that benefited mr. trump? >> and that's exactly what this is. >> so why have a third line there at all? >> because it gave the option -- >> why do they need that option? >> because michael wanted to have the option. that's why he purposely did it. this was a carefully drafted contract with a rock solid arbitration clause. >> why did he want to have that option from a legal standpoint? >> because when you're in the middle of all of this, you want to have the option. he wanted to give himself the option. he chose not to exercise the option. >> trump wanted to give himsel

doesn't sleep anyway, right -- until he recovers every single penny from stormy daniels that's due the llc a lot of attorneys use intimidation tactics. the problem is, if that is your speed and you are a one-trick pony and you use that in every case, when all of a sudden you run up against somebody that doubles down and that isn't intimidated, then you're lovett. >> reporter: cohen flew to mayor lag ga to dine with the president the night before stormy daniels appeared on "60 minute minutes", because if you're michael cohen, you're the ultimate loyalist. >> the words the media should be using to describe mr. trump are generous, compassionate. >> reporter: and you still believe donald trump will be loyal -- >> -- kind, humble, honest -- >> reporter: -- to you. gloria borger, cnn washington. >>> top media executives grilled on the stand as a high-stakes merger battle heats up. the unusual argument made in court next. (vo) pro plan bright mind adult 7+ promotes alertness and mental sharpness in dogs 7 and older. (ray) the difference has been incredible. she is much more aware. she wants to le

> if the president is not a signatory to the actual contract that was signed by michael cohen and the llcdepose the president he? what are the questions you want to put to him? >> we want to find out what the president when he knew it and what he knew. >> are you talking about having the affair, or whether he asked michael cohen did this. is this essentially a campaign contribution or was the president involved? >> we are focused on the formation of the agreement and the terms of the agreement and what the president knew and when he knew it. we are not interested in what the white house spokesperson or deputy spokesperson has to say. we want to put the president under oath. we're going to ask him some very simple questions. normally you are permitted seven hours under the federal rules and we requested two of his and mr. cohen. it is one thing to lie to the press and another thing to perjure yourself under oath. so we're going to ask those questions. we're highly confident. >> why are you, you say you are confident in the motion, is there precedent for this? this is an accelerated schedul

the question. ep michael cohen said he took out a home equity line of credit to put it in an llc account to be ablepay off stormy daniels. why? why is he randomly paying $130,000? now you have a problem. people like the fec is interested. the house judiciary committee sent a letter to michael cohen and two other gentlemen saying you might want to explain why you gave this money and by the way, there might be tax issues because the tax treatment on this money would trigger other violations of federal law. so michael cohen's now opening a huge pandora's box because he keeps on opening his mouth and keeps on trying to give excuses that don't have legal viability in terms of being credible. >> just to make an argument against it, is every aid you give, every contribution to a candidate a campaign contribution? you can say i drive his kids to school or anything that helps him. i helped his wife carry account groceries home. is anything a contribution to the well-being of a candidate a campaign contribution? >> here's the thing. it has to be a reported in kind contribution. there's a certain valuation am

trump, the llc that mr. cohen set up and my client. and people have said, well, there's no way that the president's going to accept this. well, quite honestly, i don't understand why not. the bottom line here is that my client wants a forum to tell her story. >> mm-hm. >> she's prepared to returned $130,000. and if they do not accept the settlement, this is yet another step, another process by which they're going to seek to silence my client. what are they afraid of? i don't understand. to this day, we've been at this now about a week, and we still don't have answers to the following questions. very simple. did mr. trump know about the agreement? did he sign the agreement? we that i it's pretty clear he did not. did he know anything about the payment, and did he pay it or arrange for someone else to pay it. this isn't complicated. and they can run and they can hide, and we can go week after week after week ari, but we're not going home. >> i gathered that, and i think it's clear to viewers, one of the things that many experts on this sh

sleep, he doesn't sleep anyway, right, until he recovers every single penny from stormy that's due the llc. >> i have seen a lot of attorneys use intimidation tactics. the problem is if that is your speed, if you are a one-trick pony and you use that in every case, when all of a sudden you run up against somebody that doubles down and that isn't intimidated, then you're lost. >> cohen flew to mar-a-lago to dine with the president the night before stormy daniels appeared on "60 minutes" because if you are michael cohen, you are the ultimate loyalist. >> the words the media should be using to describe mr. trump are generous, compassionate. >> you still believe donald trump will be loyal. >> kind, humble, honest -- >> to you. anderson, we will have to wait and see whether michael cohen's faith in the president, his ultimate faith, is actually going to be returned. this is a very difficult case now. with stormy daniels. there are lots of people who say they wouldn't be surprised if the president turned on michael cohen if things don't go well. i can tell you he doesn't believe that will happen

as the lawyer representing essential consultants llc. l company cohen created to funnel money to daniels. the filing lists martin's work dress as one trump drive in rancho pal owes verdict he is, home of the trump golf course. >> the focus of the filing in february was to gag my client, put a muzzle on her, prevent her from speaking. that's why they filed the arbitration. to obtain what's called a temporary restraining order. so this idea that there's separation between ecllc and donald trump and the trump organization is a complete and utter fiction. >> reporter: cohen previously said he acted without the knowledge of the president or his company and in a statement to cnn, the trump organization denied martin was acting in her official capacity. as previously reported, lawrence rosen, a new york attorney, is representing ec, llc. the trump organization is not representing anyone, and with the exception of one of its california based attorneys in her individual capacity, facilitating the initial filing, the company has no statement, parti

it's a nondisclosure agreement between ecllc, the llc created by michael cohen, and stormy daniels. enison and/or so it could be and/or the ec llc or david denson. >> doesn't matter that david denison didn't sign. >> he's not a part of the agreement. >> there is no love loss between you and michael avenatti and this is not an open invitation to start whacking at him. >> right. >> how do you see this actually resolving itself? >> look, it's not my proudest moments when i -- i know people are saying it's great tv. >> it's not great tv. >> he called me a hack the other day, right. called me a hack on your show. he must have been referring to my representation of new york city taxi cabs fighting against uber. >> there you go. david, how do you see this -- but wait a second how do you -- >> i'm not going to stoop to his level and call him names. >> you have called each other names. >> i want to talk about something, you said that president was not aware of the agreement, he was not aware of the money. >> right. when did mr. cohen tell him about this or did he tell him about it? >> the pre

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the consultants llc, the "wall street journal" reported earlier that's linked to mr. cohen. what's interesting that mr. cohen is not named as someone in this lawsuit. but he is mentioned quite repeatedly in the lawsuit itself. there are lots of different things. they have mentioned the $130,000 that has been reported that was paid to stormy daniels. the one thing that nobody did know is whether or not donald trump actually signed this agreement. now, these court documents show that he did not sign the non-disclosure agreement. and that gives him potential plausible deniability, saying maybe just his lawyer knew about it. dd was for david dennisonen or donald trump and p.p., the peggy, the name you just saw. but what's signed is stephanie clifford, the real name of the adult film star stormy daniels. we also know that michael cohen, there is another page showing he signed the agreement as well, don. >> okay. so let's bring in the lawyer and get some lawyerly advice here. laura, this case boils down to the fact that trump never signed the nondisclosure agreement itself. if tru

if the -- if the special counsel wants to see the tax returns for the trump organization and a slew of llc's that are related because essentially every development project that the trump organization starts, usually is the own llc. it is something we all learn going through the president's personal financial disclosure. could he get those records without going through the trump organization? could he go through -- subpoena the irs or bank records or is he -- to get those filings he has to go to the trump organization directly. >> he can absolutely get those without going to the trump organization directly. it is something prosecutors do routinely. >> do you assume he's done that. >> i would assume -- that would be the first thing that he did. >> so he probably already has tax returns for every llc and you probable -- and probably already has financial records with deutsche bank, people like that? are those things that he would already likely have and not have to go through the trump organization to get? >> exactly. those are the types of financial records -- financials that prosecutors use t

the trump organization. this idea that there is a separation between e.c. llc and donald trump and the trump organization is a complete and utter fiction. >> on that note we bring if our leadoff panel for yet another busy wednesday night. michael crowley, national security editor and senior correspondent for politico. jill colvin's back with us, white house reporter for the associated press, who was with the president on his whirlwind trip to california and the midwest. and returning after his all too brief appearance last night, actually early this morning, because of the breaking news we were covering in pennsylvania, is phil elliot, politics correspondent for "time" magazine. phil, since we used your turn of phrase at the top of the broadcast, you called it through your reporting "season 2" for our only president in the history of our republic with a background in reality television. what is it like, what are people inside season 2 telling you? >> they're bracing for high turnover. the long and the short of it is, no one thinks they are immune from being vot