it comes down to the police chief. it comes down to the system, the structure of incentives, and what it is is changing the attitude toward the community. with a do not have riots police force that works with the community in which the community sees the police as protecting them. one of the other things that police reformers say all the time like ronald hampton, who is the founder of the national black police association, points policeall we want is for to behave in poor black communities the way that they behave in white communities. understand it white communities at their job is to protect the community. why did i not understand that -- why do they not understand and poor black or latino communities? host: david from pennsylvania is calling on the republican line. david, you are on the air. caller: hello. professor, you set me up perfectly. -- whereon to you is where with angst, all this pressure and know-how for this community -- to make my point, right now every white cop has less ferguson and dropped their jobs,

they -- the people who have been self-policing the crowd, but the problem is, for police, they're mixed in in the media area, where all the media is as well. he has a sort of stand-off situation again. and let's recap what happened here, this started earlier in -- not earlier, just about an hour or so ago. the marchers that sort of dwindled and people were hanging out in the parking lots, the businesses along the main drag here in ferguson, and the crowds were starting to grow in the parking lot. so the police felt that the lines, people in the lines were growing too large, they started to push people out of the parking lot. before they told people they had to keep moving, they put on their helmets and took up their shields. the moments the police put on their helmets before they cleared the parking lot, that completely elevated the tension levels here, all throughout the night, the police were being cordial as they told people they had to keep moving on. the second they put on their helmets and started pushing the crowd out of the parking lot, people saw that as an aggressive move and

the ferguson police gave way to the missouri state police. now the missouri national guard is filtering in. if you accept the proposition that the police officer is not a soldier, what happens when you hire former soldiers to be police officers. and what happens when you give to police the tools normally used by soldiers. the militarization of police work is the inside story. [ sirens ] >> reporter: a street of strip malls by day and an all out battlefield at night. [ gunfire ] ferguson, missouri, saw another night of violence monday. protesters threw molotov cocktails and shot off guns leaving them no choice but to respond. also monday missouri's governor deployed the national guard. the first task, defending the command center. local and state policeman the front lines with armored gear and riot vehicles purchased from the pentagon with grants. >> when you talk about hostage taking and shooters, it has spread across the country and now has become the default use of force in too many situations. >> reporter: and it's arsenal is not usual. flo

tactics over the top. policesay they were protecting themselves after getting attacked with molotov cocktails and bricks from some in the crowd. president obama spoke about the crisis for the first time this afternoon. >> now is the time for healing. now is the time for peace and calm on the streets of ferguson. now is the time for an open and transparent process to see that justice is done. >> meanwhile, missouri governor jay nixon this afternoon announced a major change. he appointed the state's highway patrol to direct the security situation in ferguson. >> what's gone on here over the last few days is not what missouri is about. it's not what ferguson is about. this is a place where people work, go to school, raise families and go to church. a diverse community, a missouri community. lately it looks more like a war zone. that's unacceptable. today i am announcing that the missouri highway patrol under the supervision of captain ron johnson who grew up in this area will be directing the team that provides secu

the st. louis county police department both came up the ranks together through the st. uis county police department. the chief at ferguson refired from the st. louis county police department and now he's running ferguson. so i have no doubt that both men are in agreement with the tactics that are going on, because they've probably been using them for the past 20, 30 years when they went into the department together. so these things we have to deal with and we have to get realistic. i tell you this, the last time i saw something like this, i think i was looking at a protest over in eastern europe. it's getting ridiculous. >> mr. pruitt, the aclu filed a request to disclose the incident report, the police incident report in this case, which of course would have the name of the police officer who did -- who shot michael brown, and missouri law, it's very clear, it says all incident and arrest reports are open records. is that point, the release of that incident report -- by the way, to distinguish, investigative reports are not open records until the case is completely clos

you have the riot police on the one side, the police line over there. some of the officers going to the other side and that's where the tear gas was deployed. you are essentially in this corridor right here. right now i'm walking back towards in the direction of the quick trip. and you essentially see people walking back and forth with no clear direction on where they are headed. another complication tonight that may be an issue later in the evening is a lot of the protesters were mingling in the press zone here which i would make it difficult if there were a situation or any danger from inside of that press zone for the police to distinguish between press and the general public here. i can see that becoming an issue later in the evening. in previous nights when we have had this press zone set up there has been officers surrounding and making sure that the public doesn't come in to that zone. and only that credentialed reporters came in there. >> what you are looking at right now is live footage in ferguson, missouri. this is footage of a small fire. we

is the new gang -- police is the new gang, is that how they view the police department, as a gang? >> a lot of the youth here view the plus as a new gang. they don't see a reflection of the demographic change we have seen in ferguson, for example, as you have been saying. three officers out of 53 african-americans, 70% of the population african american. it's a dramatic change, shift. that is something that specifically they say there's more tension with the youth. i heard a young man yelling, cursing the police, saying that they were - they had stopped him multiple times, and only because of his race. there is not only a racial tension, but tension between the authority of the police and the youth who feel victim iced and targeted by the police. a tough situation. >> many thought there would be piece following the unity rally. martin luther king iii was at the rally in ferguson, and i spoke with him earlier, following that rally. he told us the community is starting to heal, but it will be a long road. >> ultimate healing will not come until there's a diagrammatic change in one of

is this the core problem here, the police department not reflecting the community? >> no, because i've worked with two different diverse police department and worked beside men and women of different color, creed and religions. it's not the case. i don't see that as the case. i think there's miss perceptions. approximate the public believed the police were out there to serve their best interests. if you asked people in most communities do they prefer the police to be there or not there, they want the police there, i reassure you. >> should we reexamine racial training in the police force? >> that training has been going on for years. >> do you think white officers can fully understand the black community. >> that's hard for me to answer away it's very important that people are trained to treat everyone equal, regardless of what someone looks like or their skin color. it's very important that americans treat americans like americans. >> has that been an area of concern among residents, the divers city of the police force? >> it has, and that's something we've heard. t

the police took cover. earlier on canfield, where michael brown lost his life, we heard gunfire where the protesters ran down and scattered. it was not coming from police. it was coming from where protesters had run. >> reporter: that's when they moved the media to the command post behind me. several thousand people coming out, demonstrating the way they want to demonstrate in a nice, calm way. once again, in a matter of minutes, it seems like things quickly deteriorated. christine? >> captain ron johnson saying there were media organizations finding themselves trapped in the crowd and police were having to kind of help them navigate through the crowd that was turning quite violent. what is your sense of whether -- how much of this is legitimate protesting? how much of this is after dark, trying to provoke the police? >> reporter: i'll give what i saw. the altercations i saw, i thought it was clearly -- i say this because you have a group of people trying to calm people down. they weren't having any part of

he was the fourth unarmed black man to be killed in the united states by police in the span of a monthstreet protests and police tactics brought ferguson into the national and international spotlight. things spiralled. reports of gunshots fired from the crowd. a state of emergency was declared. a national guard was deployed, and the u.s. attorney-general launched an investigation. "faultlines" was in ferguson to see how this sparked something bigger, something that had been below the surface for years. >> on your knees. >> hands up. [ gunfire ] >> this is more than michael brown. this is about civilians against corrupt law [ chanting ] >>> this is the area ferguson's residents are calling ground zero, the epicentre of the [ chanting ] >>> when we arrived it was the fourth day in a row that people were marching along the street, a few blocks from where michael brown [ chanting ] >>> the police had still not released the name of the officer involved, and people were angry. mistrust of the police here runs deep. more than 60% of ferguson's residents are black, 50 out of 53 police officers

the police line started to move forward. as they started to move forward, the guys became even more confrontational and then they shot tear gas into the crowd and just advanced and advanced. eventually the line got to the front of my car with some demonstrators behind me in a confrontation with the police. the police kind of surrounded my car. an officer opened my car door and pulled me out and arrested me. i asked him what he was arresting me for. he said because i didn't listen. so i went to jail. >> the crime of not listening. is it clear to you you're going to be charged, that you're going to have to deal with this in court? do you know -- how was it left when you were released this morning? >> no, they kind of took one of two approaches with people they arrested. they either gave them bail, which point somebody could pay it immediately and get out of jail, or they denied them bail and kept them as long as they wanted to up to 24 hours. so after about ten hours, they released me this morning. >> st. louis -- >> with no ch

the st. louis county police. tremaine, how much does this complicate things and do you think might instill uncertainty within the community which has become calmer overnight. >> there's going to be no uncertainty within the community. they feel that mike the brown was murdered in cold blood. if you look back at prior cases, especially the trayvon martin case, once you get into court of public opinion and each side try to use whatever they can to sway the public opinion, it may complicate things. some will want to connect the fact he may have stole a back of cigarettes that cost $1 at the store to his characteristic as a person. whether he was a thug or violent. which could have lead with a violent confrontation with police. out the case the facts have to matter. as we learn more about what happened i think it will be clear, you know, what happened in those moments right before the police officer fired the first shot. that's what matters. again, i'm not, you know, an investigator or a prosecutor. we'll let the folk

you don't have the police, you can't have friction with the police. all very intentional from captain ron johnson who looks like he is handling this more like a campaign, less like a commander of a scene. >> all right. mike tobin, thank you, live from the scene there. we'll be back in touch with you as news warrants. >>> so the turmoil in ferguson is sparking a surge in demand for guns. two stores in the area say sales of guns and ammo soaring due to the fear of spreading violence. since the shooting, one store selling five times more guns than usual. another reports business is up 50% since the unrest began. a store owner says people "are in fear of their lives." but tensions have been described in the last 12 to 24 hours as easing. that after governor jay nixon put missouri highway patrol in charge under captain mike johnson. an even keeled law enforcement veteran who is a resident from the ferguson area. here he is from a news conference earlier today. >> last night was a great night. it was great night. there was no calls for service. we did not de

the police department in the police report and the documentary evidence that the police department has generated or received. we can also visit the site of the alleged occurrence and we take photographs of places or persons and obtain video footage if it is available. our aim is to complete our investigations within nine months and with the limited exceptions we must complete these investigations within one year. when we complete the investigation, we make a finding of whether or not the complaint of officer violated any police department rules or local or federal laws. we have a standard of proof that is the preponderance of the evidence which means that the possibility that the complaint of conduct occurred is more likely than not. that is a probability is greater than 50 percent. if after an investigation, the occ finds that an officer violated a rule, we forward the report to chief suhr for further action and can impose discipline up to a ten day suspension, if the discipline could exceed ten days, then the police commission hears that case, they have jurisdiction over the most ser

following up on his warning the police advanced. dressed in fatigues, helmets, and gas masks armed with billy cup cubs and military-style weapons. shortly after midnight a chaotic he scene. smoke some reported tear gas field the streets looking like a repeat of earlier in the week when a military-style crackdown incited an angry response from the crowd and sharp criticism from national leaders. but this time the new point man in ferguson officer johnson said law enforcement response was appropriate and an emergency required to clear the crowd to reach a man who was shot in the area. >> we had a victim who may lose his life. we had a police car shot at tonight, yes, i think that was a proper response. >> reporter: johnson endorsed not only the late-night crowd dispersal but the governor's decision to impose the curfew. >> we can't allow the ill will of the few to undermine the good will of the many. >> reporter: the governor's move followed not only the friday-night outbreak of looters, but tension after details of information into br

john: the author of the book called "police state usa" is on the cusp, she says of being a police statee author is cheryl k. chumley. we are pretty free and america. to yes, we are, when you compare us to other nations around the world. but we are not pretty free when you compare us to past generations. so if you look at the state of what is going on in america right now and in my book i chronicle 100 different cases were government has overreached constitutional liberties of americans, we are at the point now where a little girl can't run a lemonade stand without having someone come in and find her $50. we are at the point were elementary kids are having their irises scanned as they board the bus owned the name of safety. there could be a floodplain issue in a hundred years and this is the america where we are at. and so i'd like people to read my book and my research shows that we are on the cusp. >> there's more stuff for the police to enforce. >> it's not just the police, if you look at ferguson and what has gone on there, you can certainly point to example after example where a cas

the road. we can't see much. police have pushed everyone back, that's what we understood the plan to be up until we were taken out by the swat vehicle. we can actually not see what is happening. >> can you explain to the audience that might have just tuned in, why you left? >> we were literally standing to do a live hit for the international channel. we had lights and camera. a police vehicle was blocking the road, going out from the location where we were standing. we had multiple conversations with the police officers about how long they'd be there, and whether or not it was safe for us to be there. we understood it to be safe, because we were more than a mile or so away from where the demonstrations were taking place, which is why we chose the location - we couldn't get closer. just before we were about to go live people ran out of the neighbourhood, surrounding our area, coming from that location in ferguson, and as they started to do that, we heard flash-bang grenades getting closer. we were told by some of the peo

not only the ferguson police department, but also by the st. louis county police department. got to call this whole case into question, and i'm very glad, finally, that the governor decided to show up and put some new police officers in, the highway patrol is now in charge. you have cooler heads prevailing here. and i think we saw peaceful protests yesterday both in ferguson and all across the country which speaks to the fact that we are really starting to turn the corner here. and we should use this, whether or not there's guilt on michael brown or the police officer, to really have a conversation about race in this country and how we deal with it so this never happens again. and i think that's where everybody is. martha: yeah. and i would be curious to know if any of this incident report and this convenience store situation was shared with the department of justice. i mean, i would imagine that it was. you know, we know that eric holder spoke to michael brown's parents yesterday and, of course, a phone call expressing condolences is, i think, completely appropriate in this c

well i think the more cameras we can have on the police the better off we are whether it's the police having cameras or more importantly individuals having cameras i mean i've done a lot with cop blocked out of order over the years one of the early the founders and kind of funders of that and i've seen a lot of police encounters and i've seen how cameras have changed those police encounters for the better in most instances it's certainly true that there have been instances of police freaking out about cameras becoming more violent as a result of that but i think overall it's a good policy to report police in and the police can have their own cameras that the public can access video from them all for the better now can you tell us what do you think are the concerns regarding the police officers having control over how over when to turn these cameras on and off when they feel like i mean what if they know they're getting in a sticky situation i mean when bad affected because they can control absolutely i mean no you know the war control they have the war likely it's going to be that if

for the posting to stop. ferguson police chief thomas jackson at the press conference. >> we'll have a conversation about the release of the name. i guess anonymous put out a name, brian something - it is not the name. i have not seen anything else. >> are the guys running name after name? >> that's probably what they are doing, taking the name of everything and throwing it out there. >> twitter has taken down the account, which posted the name. >> so that's the difference with anop mouse. there is -- anonymous. there's no organization. after the tweet came out showing the name had been released a different twitter account with a different anonymous account denied involvement. anonymous is not an organiser or a leader. anyone can associate itself with it. there's no way to vet what is coming out. >> anonymous, or some part, or someone claiming to be anonymous is making itself heard, making an impact on the press department. >> yes, the st louis confirmed that last night their web systems county wide wopt down, and e -- went

the one substantive police -- excuse me, the one substantive piece of information that the ferguson police department did decide to release about the officer implicated in this shooting, the one piece of information they have decided to release was this video that they released today showing the officer in question receiving a commendation from the city council for good police work. that was what they released today about the officer involved in this shooting. still, though, no police report, still no autopsy, still, though, on day 12, at least as of night 11 last night, things do seem to have calmed down some in terms of the level of protest and upset on ferguson streets. today, missouri governor jay nixon ordered that the missouri national guard start withdrawing from the streets of ferguson after being deployed there for four days. the resolution here, though, is going to be a long haul, and it seems clear that nobody quite knows what to expect over the long haul. you can see some of the, i guess the continuing turmoil, at least the continuing uncertainty, the continuing tension, you co

the police officer told him about being released. this is day four of the conflict in ferguson, missouri, since michael brown was killed by a police officer there. and thus far, it does not feel like the conflict is getting better. from the scenes in the street up to and including the armored vehicle with a cop on top with his gun trained at peaceful protesters in broad daylight today, up to and including that today, it feels like this is getting worse. joining us now is wesley lowery, he was detained tonight by the police, just released while he was covering the situation in ferguson. mr. lowery thanks for joining us. i appreciate you calling in. >> no problem. >> can you tell us the circumstances of why you were arrested and then why you were released. >> i don't want to say too much other than what i've put out on twitter already. i will put this out here, is that we were working with mcdonald's, for those who aren't here in ferguson, it's about two blocks away from ground zero, from the gas station that was burned down to where th

>> the police told people that they wanted the crowd to disperse and the crowd told police they didn't want do disperse, they said they remember staying their ground and were angry and wanted to make their point and they were peacefully assembling. i think the key here was there was no violence that we witnessed of any kind before those military-style police were deployed. we didn't see anybody throwing any projectiles. >> did the crowd threaten the police? did the crowd shout anything at the police in advance of this? >> every now and then the police would ask the crowd to move backwards and the crowd would obey that order. and it was a very intimidating line of police. there were armored personnel carriers. these are m-raps that are used in iraq and afghanistan. it was an intimidating sight for all of the demonstrateers. >> from al jazerra's fault lines program, sebastian walker has been with us. as well, we want to note that later in this program, we are going to hear from sebastian again, he has done some reporting about the mill ter saying of law en force around this country and t

he was immediately taken away by the police. i believe he was arrested. she continued on her way but the counter protester with her upset the crowd and there were people swarming around her. eventually people intervened and separated the crowd from her and drove her away. that, so far, other than the rainstorm, has been the biggest event so far of this march. it's a relatively quiet night. the police are doing what they did last night, which is instead of one big consolidated show of force, they are spread throughout keeping an eye on all of the crowds, all of the stores, all the citizens here. it seems to be a much better strategy, at least in terms of not angry -- >> is the strategy -- is it police strategy, you think, or just that the crowds are slimmer or possibly a combination that things seem to be going so much better? >> well, i think -- i think both. i think obviously the crowds are smaller. that means they are easier to contain. the clergy is playing a much larger role. there is even a clergy tent down the street. individuals in orange shirts mar

where are the army and police? down the road, water pipes, things isis militants would immediately punish brutally. the relief the failure to organize itself is playing into isis hands. when the old prime minister won't hand over power to the new, he says, isis can exploit that and enter baghdad. [ speaking foreign language ] >> reporter: isis won't get into baghdad, this man proclaims, but he's increasingly alone in what was once a crowded street. >> all right. nick peyton walsh, thanks for that report, we appreciate it. still to come in the "cnn newsroom," tear gas and riots erupting into the crowds. ana cabrera in ferguson, missouri, for us. >> good morning, carol. the voice calling for action are growing louder not just here in ferguson but all around the country. we'll have an update about the conversation about why this issue continues to hit such a boiling point when we come back. can this decadent, fruit topped pastry... ...with indulgent streusel crumble, be from... fiber one. new fiber one streusel. oh hey

at least in terms of the police. people behind me are honking their horns, walking down the streets and raising their hands in the surrender motion. i was treated as soon as i pulled up by a couple of african-american police officers who were very kind and wanted to be helpful. so things do need to calm down and i think they have for the moment. but they won't be fully calm until there's a name released. until there are charges made, and there can't be any justice without peace. even if there's not as much violence on the part of the police and not as much angst on the part of the community. it was dr. king who said true peace is not just the absence of tension but the presence of justice. >> we've seen this in many cities and many times before, people peacefully protesting, honking horns. that would have got them tear gassed last night in ferguson. >> yeah. it's interesting, because i took my children when our own colleague, reverend al sharpton did a march across the brooklyn bridge, looking at the aftermath of the

louis county police voting no confidence and bringing in the state police. and then a vote of no confidence in the state police by bringing in the national guard. you really just do wonder who is running the show because this situation has not been any better. >> and this seems to be the problem, jake. authorities there are not speaking with one voice and presumably protesters, or some of these troblmakers, are taking full advantage of that. >> well, malik shabazz said there are outside agents, outside provocateurs who are trying to provoke the police into attacking the crowds. i wouldn't know anything about that, whether there are purposefully trying to do that or they are justice angry young people or angry other people in the crowd. most of the people are trying to peacefully protest because they are frustrated at what they perceive to be a system that is cast against them. it's just the fix is in, and they just -- they view african-american life as, in this nation, not perceived -- especially the lives of young black men as having the same as any other am

the answer remains murky. police acknowledge when he first stopped brown and his friend, it had nothing to do with the cigar robbery. it was far less serious. >> because they were walking down the middle of the street, blocking traffic. that was it. >> the officer says get the [bleep] out of the street, verbatim, his words. >> reporter: now this intriguing new detail. the police chief says when the officer drives by the teens, he may have been spotted cigars in brown's hand, making a possible link to the robbery minutes earlier. >> as he passed them, that's when he might have seen the evidence and connected it. >> at that time he reached out the window with his left arm, he grabbed onto my friend, big mike's throat, trying to pull him in the vehicle. >> reporter: what little police have said differs sharply. >> one of those individuals at the time came into, as the officer was exiting his police car, allegedly pushed the police officer back into the car, where he physically assaulted the police officer. >> reporter:

the st. louis county police department, chief sam dodson of the st. louis city police department, and i, have been in discussion with governor jay nixon and the governor who were at the highway patrol headquarters in jefferson city. we are planning additional steps to quiet the violence. we are all determined to restore peace and safety to the people of ferguson and i believe the continued resolve of the good people of this community will ultimately triumph over the few people bent on violence and destruction. i have time for a few questions before i return to operational planning. [ inaudible ] >> we had at least three people, we had a couple of shooting victims, two or three people have been injured. >> were they random shootings? >> those shootings we were responding to those shootings, they occurred in the field, had nothing to do with law enforcement. it was between people that were actually out on the scene there. [ inaudible ] >> there were people out. go ahead. there were no officers injured. >> you mentioned additional steps. tell us what addi

the lawyers are conceding that and point blank i asked the police chief, the perg son police chief that. he says he does believe it is michael brown foo don lemon will be back with us later. thanks very much. let's get more on the investigation. joining us law enforcement analyst tom fuentes and pamela brown. what are you hearing from your sources, pamela, about darren wilson, the police officer who shot and killed michael brown? >> we learned today, wolf, that st. louis county detectives have interviewed darren wilson. that officer involved in the shooting twice since the shooting occurred. one right after the shooting and then a second more thorough longer interview shortly after the shooting was in the next 48 hours after. so the initial interview was very brief. we've learned it was obviously a very chaotic time and traumatic fort officer. that was more of a brief interview and the longer interview. the officials i've been speaking won't share what the officer said but we know from what the police chief said earlier this week that the officer's account is that there was a confrontat

like the community and the police. i don't really think anybody to talk to the community with the police. really you have to start making grounds right now and start building rapport with them. >> could start with captain johnson. they -- he was excellent role. he has resources, he has capital. he was from that community. they could start with him. i think he has a sense of what some of issues are as well as what it is that we need to be doing. >> two former police officers -- thank you. two former police officers talking with gil alba, ran old hamptona tough situation. we thank you both. >> thank you for having us. >> woodruff: now, the challenge of containing the ebola outbreak in west africa. jeffrey brown has that. >> brown: the world health organization today said the epidemic's official death toll now tops 1,200, amid growing concern that local resources of all kinds are being strained to the limit. over the weekend, the aid group doctors without borders opened its largest facility yet for treating ebola victims,

what is the police department though? i understand they only have about three or four african-american officers here in ferguson. that's the information that's been given out. what is happening in ferguson isn't different from a lot of municipalities. small municipalities that have large african-american populations and very few black police officer. what happens is there's such a disconnect between the community and the police that tensions have been rising for years and years. it's not exclusive tofr to ferguson. a connection between the african-american community and the people who police it. >> to that end, the guest that just preceded you was the mayor, james know els of ferguson. he said that very thing, this is not just a problem in ferguson. your city, st. louis, is it the same? are you facing the same possibilities? are you facing the same potential for people marching your streets in the days to come? >> what i can say is we have the same tensions. we have the same tensions between african morning especially youn

the st. louis police officer's association. n what the grand jury, how it works here. >> there are two ways any prosecutor can proceed. there could be a complaint filed in circuit court that alleges a crime was committed and who committed it. the other way to proceed is grand jury. it goes to a hearing. it's an open public hearing. >> that's a public thing. >> it's what we call a probable cause hearing. the judge would simply determine whether a crime was probably committed and whether the charge person probably committed it or go to a grand jury. it's a secret proceeding. there are 16 people drawn from the community at large and information is presented by a prosecutor. so you don't have a defense lawyer in there. you don't have a judge in there. the prosecutor simply presents the information they have. >> will the officer actually testify? >> that's up to the officer. usually an accused will not be invited to testify but i expect in a case like this the invitation would be extended to him. >> the big question, whether or not t

arrests the stops except for a have been on african-american citizens so this is a police department it's probably not used to dealing with the press and this sort of thing and they're not used to dealing with the press really zooming in on them you have you know alternate new sources huffington post r t al-jazeera basically aiming a beam at them they're not used to that they're used to dealing with more large corporate mainstream outlets who are just going to really just cover perhaps play by the ruling by the rule and talk to the public information officer generally say the local press is probably covered some officer friendly kind of events they're not used to this and they're not used to the social media coverage that especially african-americans are focused on this so that's another aspect there were social media has really focused our attention on this and we actually heard president obama speak about this very issue earlier this afternoon let's take a quick listen to what he had to say. and here in the united states of america police should not be bowling or arresti

and issue since the late 90s started with the new york police force and some of the other big city police forces were sent to the big brass listen to israel to be trained. military style. i bring -- >> host: what is your evidence of that? >> caller: amy goodman, democracy now! >> host: okay, all right. pittsburgh, pennsylvania, independent caller. what do you think? >> caller: i really don't think issue. i think it would be a big rack host the all right. sorry about that. school is out. the bloomberg website from its editor has this piece this morning. go to ferguson, mr. president. create a more an equal justice. goes on to say that batman was barack obama, a little-known senate candidate a decade ago. he offered a grand vision of united america. >> host: samantha in akron, ohio, independent caller. what do you think? >> caller: well, i don't think that the president should go. i think that there are enough people there. eric holder is going down. they are investigating. racism is something that we've lived with since our country's inception, and i don't see it going away anytime soon. >

the police have a very tough job. and, you know, across the world - but the police cannes - they have to give the people some cushion to do some protesting. >> we talked about the role of captain rob johnson with the missouri highway patrol. many are asking why do we need leaders to direct and guide us in situations like this, in the black community. >> ron johnson or reverend al sharpton. >> the community is looking to ron johnson, and looking for someone appropriate. why was a black community do we need leadership. >> throughout time we had leaders, martin, malcolm - i'm glad you went to the church. that's the foundation of black people from the beginning of type. we always look to our pastors when we don't have our parents around. we look to the political leaders in our local community. leadership is good. good leadership is good. we don't need race debaters or people burning down this stuff. it's uncalled for. he is a perfect leader. not only is he a leader, he's from the community. he goes to the convenes -- conve

the police car was shot at as well. it wasn't until hours later that we found out that was the case. we had seven arrests yesterday for police violating curfew. it remains to be seen what they will say when they step up to the microphones. >> the one thing that has been interesting to me or strange, having covered other protests, large scale protests and other situations in which there is police and crowd control, usually there is a lot of arrests. usually the police come in and they handcuff people and use the plastic ties if they do a bunch of arrests, there have not been that many arrests. we have gone from the move to tear gas and rubber bullets. what happens is there is a formation and kettling that is happening. they are arrested and booked. i saw three young african-american men on a street corner. they were arrested. they were being put into a police vehicle. there was a strange ratio between the level of unrest on the streets here and maybe that is a product of whether or not or how organized or not organized th

the police chief is serving the people. the chief has a totally different obligation to the community and should not be on television expressing sympathy and these things. he should be fair and impartial not leaking information that he wants to help his friend not doing those things. that is why the officer that shot michael brown, he got an attorney. now his attorney has a right to come on television and defend him but not the police chief. >> all three of you will be back with us. but next we're watching the growing protest in ferguson as people are gathering and tensions rise especially after this video was released of allegedly michael brown robbing a convenience store ten minutes before he was shot and killed. many revelations of what happened up to the shooting. the beginning from a to z and the questions that come from. that. >>> and texas governor rick perry has been indicted. that breaking tree is after this. woman: jimmy, all of these travel sites seem the same. captain obvious: tell your grandmother with the hote

we have some criticism for the police. some from ron johnson, the state police captain who has now gotten so much credit for the way he handled the crowd control. criticizing the locals, saying you don't give out information in drips and drabs. if you have something to say, let's get on with the saying. that was earlier in the day. so you see police giving out information in bits and peoples. now demonstrators, family members, saying they're trying to assassinate the character of michael brown throughout the process. >> we see someone setting up behind you and we're wondering about the timing of this and who might be there. >> i see the police walking up right now so they should be behind me in a couple of seconds. we'll see if they do provide more information about that physical altercation. we know the officer was injured, according to police, and treated with -- for some wounds on the side of his head and we know there was a scuffle in the police cruiser. the police are stepping up and i'm going to get out of the way. >>

the police who are on the front, have shield. batons, face masks, gas masks are on. >> erin, is it clear to you from what you are hearing police say to protesters, is cliear what they want protesters to do and is it clear what police want them to do? >> rachel, about every protester has cleared out. cannot ex-plaplain the differen. i am feeling the tear gas now, rachel. it stings. i can tell you protesters have mostly cleared out. when the hostile environment begin to turn. local residents were linking arms, pushing the violent protesters back in the opposite direction. the community wants the prote protesters to go home. an isolated number of individuals here who are surging forward, surging forward, the police are reacting. keeping their position. occasionally run up, push back. i have seen, this is now the fourth arrest i am looking at now. >> you have witnessed four arrests? >> rachel, i would have to count that number the i have seen three tonight. closer to this one. >> erin, keep reporting as much as you can. give you a cha

he's a six-year veteran of the police force there. received a 911 call of a robbery at a nearby convenience store. >> wilson encountered brown soon after. he was accused of grabbing a pack of swisher sweet cigars from the store. >> i want to turn back to ana who is live in ferguson right now. we do know that we're going to hear from the missouri governor jay nixon at the top of hour. i know there's been a lot of informing coming out in that packet but again it's interesting we didn't learn that much information about the officer. >> no. we are still working to try to gather information about that officer. of course, we are checkig all kinds of public records to look into this officer's history, to learn more about who he is personally and we are very careful here on cnn to vet information to make sure we are bringing accurate informing to you and your viewers. we are working to gather more informing on this officer, ineverybody to know, but we want to make sure we're talking about the right darren wilson before we bring any informatio

governor jay nixon said he's replacing the police with the missouri highway patrol as missouri prepares for nightfall. >> there is never an excuse for violence against police, or for those who would use this tragedy as a cover for vandalism or looting. there's also no excuse for police to use excessive force against peaceful protests, or to throw protesters in jail for lawfully exercising their first amendment rights. now is the time for healing. now is the time for peace and calm on the streets of ferguson. >> the question, is ferguson and the missouri governor jay nixon overmilitarizing the town? your thoughtsweñ÷ on that? serious show of forks right? >> there are three angles to this story. there's the left and the right and libertarian. the left sees this tragedy, uses it to brand society as a pit of racial injustice. the right uses it often to lecture on culture and lawlessness. the libertarians for the militarization of police. every one of those perspectives is correct. there are parts of society where there's racial injustice. there are problems with culture and lawlessness. and