disgoing to see it to the key members of the security council. the permanent 5 those are the ones that hold the veto. they are u.k.'s alleys. they are u.s. and france, but they are also russia and china, that has been on the other side of the argument. that meeting we believe will take place in a few hours here after that meeting i think they will decide whether to take it to the security council. put it up for a vote of the whole 15 members of the security council. i have to, again, stress i think it is unlikely they will get russian support for what is call add chapter 7 resolution. that's one authorizing the use of force. okay, james. stand by for a second, please, james bays let's go back to geneva and listen in to that press conference being held. >> if one can be reached is there some idea of what this settlement should? >> yes. >> and also would it include mr. bashir allah sad or not? >> you know, that -- the basist on which geneva ii is built, is the declaration of the 30th of june, 2012, here in geneva. geneva i. there is a detained proce

suggest was it starts they might adopt the un security council. well you've just seen a news conference given by russia's foreign minister sergei lavrov on the situation in syria let me now quickly talk you through some of the key points that he made well during this news conference he said that there has been no evidence of syrian government guilt the spy the new claims that he was the chemical weapons sergey lavrov also mentioned mentioning the opposition he also said that the opposition disregards the diplomatic effort and is reluctant to hold talks demanding us its government capitulation well the fresh claims that isis forces use chemical weapons and hysteria surrounding them are time to undermine the new round of talks in geneva and also talking about the possible military intervention. go ahead without the u.n. mandate is a slippery slope well finally he hopes that common sense will prevail you're watching r t coming to live from moscow next hour we'll be bringing you more analysis on this and other stories to stay with us. ok. dave a crock

the security community thinks of it as a risk. science more than the political world does. >> the cia may be saying that it does not matter if this is man- made or natural as a threat, it could even be cyclical, which is what some of the biggest critics is thatt what matters we have to respond to it. >> the phrase that you hear again and again from officials is that if we wait for 100% certainty, we are dead. they see clamp -- climate change as a risk, the stabilizing, changing the security environment that they're dealing with. >> climate change risk assessment means preparing for tomorrow, which does not sit well with politicians who are focused on today. >> it may of " -- require a lot of money upfront. wordshere are the war -- of the immediate benefits. that is difficult for political leaders to take those steps. >> with calls for belt- tightening coming from every corner, the intelligence community work on climate change may be in jeopardy. >> you have a more bipolar congress with a lack of frank and honest discussions on iss

the security contract is switching here with the unified school district. i work in an industry which is frequently run by duplicitous people. therefore, people who work in this industry must always be alert, aware. sometimes, yes, we even have to expect the absolute worst. abc security is a company which is known for its duplicity. what we're asking is that we understand you're going to go with abc security, but we're asking for your oversight on this matter to make sure that these people that work for you currently for securitas and soon to be abc do not lose their wages, no cut in their wages, no cuts in their benefits. thank you very much. >> thank you. all right. item g, consent calendar. may i hear a motion and a second, please? >> consent calendar. >> second. >> thank you. did you want to make a comment? [laughter] >> well, you can always -- i'm getting to the next part and you can always make your comment there. any items withdrawn or corrected by the superintendent, mr. steel? >> yes, we have -- there is one correction to 4b. 138-13 k5 on page 105.

the security. the most recent jailbreak incident has made is even more confusing for the new leaders. both political parties blame each other for the deteriorating security situation. one party claims, the central government and military decide security and antiterrorism policies. analysts are squarely blaming the pakistani intelligence agencies to my saying they're responsible for bringing lawlessness and -- agencies, saying they're responsible for bringing lawlessness and talibanization. they say the government has completely failed to protect its people. >> deteriorating security, existence of militant training camps, and tilling of innocent citizens -- killing of innocent citizens. growing radicalism is having sleepless nights -- giving sleepless nights to the people. they feel unsafe in their own homes. >> [speaking in foreign language] >> government has failed to curb terror attacks. there is no state here. its writ doesn't exist. so many incidents have taken place. no steps are taken to prev

they are the backbone of your nation's homeland security, and over the past 4 1/2 years, it has been my pleasure to serve with them and build a more agile department of homeland security. i thank them, and i thank all of you. god bless you, and god bless the united states. thank you. washington journal the situation in syria. washington journal live every day at 7 a.m. on c-span. now, from the state department this is 20 minutes. secretary of state john kerry. >> president obama has spent many days consulting with congress and talking with leaders around the world about the situation in syria. last night he asked all of us on his team to consult with the leaders of congress as well. including the leadership of the congressional national security committees. he asked us to consult about what we know regarding the horrific chemical weapons attack in the damascus suburbs last week. i will tell you are someone who has spent three decades in the united states congress, i know that consultation is the right way for a president to approach a decision of when and how and if to use military fo

the security guards are going to talk you know gonna. take you know more weeks and. when you say to direct question the press for a change when you. get ready for a. pretty. little down to to freedom. down in the front. and the rest. will be a pretty. good laboratory. was to build the world's most sophisticated robot which doesn't give a darn about anything. to teach me reason why you should care about humans and. this is why you should want your only dog. welcome back to the show our guest today is michael hayden former n.s.a. and cia director when we're discussing the fallout from prison gate on edward snowden's extraordinary revelations general hayden what exactly does it tell you about your system that your own people whistle blow on you because it's not the first time. no no it's not and you know i mentioned before that i believe mr snowden was not a hero he had committed a crime but he was also a troubled young man let me phrase it for you this way what kind of what kind of moral arrogance is required to believe that your personal moral judgment trumps that of t

the presence of the security is there. ew moments ago, we have witnessed some incidents that we feel sorry about. people with weapons just trying to fire, again, it's the police station and we hope the demonstration will go peacefully and we don't accept any violence. let me say that it's not a coup. the people are not going to do a coup again. it's the protestors. the people on the 30th of june want egypt to be free, independent and to be held in a certain way. after that, we have the roadmap to follow and we node to commit ourselves to this roadmap. we welcome any factions to join the people. >> back now to syria and the u.s. president barack obama has been meeting with the national security council. a recorded statement by the u.s. president is expected to be released soon. some details of that statement have been leaked, and the president is expected to say that the syrian chemical attack on august 21, near the syrian capital damascus is a challenge to the world and that it threatens u.s. national security interests. ob

that car tried to run over the security guard. but for some reason it stopped a short distance away. it looked like the man was pulling something out of his waistband and that's when the security guard opened fire. >> not unusual. there are companies that allow the security guards to carry guns. i don't know the particular company. but whatever their policies and procedures are, in certain cases they are allowed to carry. >> reporter: the suspect was found a block away lying on the ground from at least one gunshot wound away from the car. san jose police say they are questioning the security guard and figuring out if he will face charges. it's unclear if he -- it's unclear if he works here at the senior apartment complex. it doesn't appear so. but police say the suspect once he's released will be booked into santa clara jail. we'll also learning that the getaway vehicle was a stolen car reported out of san jose. there are no other injuries reported here from the apartment complex. we're live here in san jose, brian flores, ktvu cha

national security interests in the interests of regional security well met are you to you're talking about our aid to egypt no i'm talking about your policy towards egypt in general not just the money the approach that you have taken since more more president morsi is ouster do you believe that that has promoted or advanced either u.s. national interests or the interests of regional security well obviously egypt is going through a challenging time right now what our focus is on what deputy secretary burns his focus was on when he was in the region what the secretary's focus is on every call he's making is how to return to a sustainable path to democracy how to end the bloodshed so we have valuate our relationship every single day and that means that you can't you're not answering my question do you believe that your policy has advanced u.s. national interests or the interests of regional security yes no and if the answer is yes what interests we don't look at it through that prism or the. looking at our longer term interests here. go r.t. dot com for our egypt timeline for much more o

by the sea ocean secure the day your party is in the. questions that no one is asking with the guests that you deserve answers from. politicking. it's quarter past the hour here in moscow on the news now a and you're watching march the u.s. is becoming increasingly concerned over virtual currency is launching broader investigations into bitcoin and the likes virtual currency is not going away it needs a whole government response that's according to the participants of the inquiry run by a senate committee on homeland security now on banks and free from centralized regulation bitcoin has been gathering steam and pushing its way to the mainstream it's valued rocketed in april this year hitting more than two hundred dollars however bitcoin success is marred by worries it can be used to evade taxes trade drugs and pornography lawmakers and says digital money should be brought out of the darkness and regulated both in the interest of the public and the virtual currency and itself economist mark zandi says the u.s. is just worried about the do

i think the transportation security agency actually has the authority over this security of those things in transit. >> thank you. i know the gentle lady asked for unanimous consent to enter a letter into the record. without objection, so ordered. the chair now recognizes mr. flores. >> thank you. director wulf and mr. caldwell, thank you for joining us. director wulf, you recently told the global news wire that the act is our shared responsibility. you further noted, quote, facilities that are in the business of dealing with high risk chemicals have an obligation to do that reporting just as i have an obligation to file our taxes with the irs. the irs doesn't necessarily come out and look for us, unquote. and you said most stakeholders would agree that enhancing security and building resilience across the chemical sector is not something a single agency or single company or industry or even government can do by itself. just -- i agree what if you said. that said, how do you envision dhs's role among all the players involved in this effort, and to what extent do you believe that dhs shou

national security interests are at stake. every day the department works to protect our people and missions by constantly assessing threats and security posture overseas. the bureau of diplomatic security advances american interests and foreign policy by protecting people, property, and information. we do this by maintaining a security program that analyze the threat, managing the security situation, and mitigating the risks. they constantly researches, monitor and analyzes threat against american or diplomatic facility and u.s. diplomatic personnel. this information along with trend analysis and case study of political violence, terrorist acts, and crime form the basis of the threat assessment that we use that are provided to department senior managers to support the operational and policy decision making process. from this analysis, we determine ether they be short term or long-term, should be taken to mitigate the potential threat against our diplomatic asset. from analysis in washington, d.c., monitoring our threat to the regional secu

with the security forces the priest has been calling for the security forces to protect the churches from. that they didn't listen there is no single evidence that that was the brotherhood or any actually other movement civilians were involved in taking churches or book public buildings or whatever. just because this week from from the interim government whatever you want to call them will call me interim government for now on the side they've been caused to the muslim brotherhood how would that work how would you react briefly of cancer. well actually the muslim brotherhood has been there for more than eighty years. during the kingdom during very public at different ages and different governments attempts were made to ban the brotherhood but it's still there it is the largest organization in egypt it has always been peaceful has supporters everywhere because it all was built peaceful means and measures to to be close to the egyptian people that's where it has almost been bare become of band and i'm going to say shit like that from the hearts of the people they can benefit legally if

because she valet parked it well the homeland security test the valet parking agent to search the car here's a guy who parked cars for a living and he's searching for bombs in a woman's car i mean if people don't realize the the ludicrousness of the situation and the people that wear the t.s.a. uniforms are no more trained in that parking attendant there you have it that was danny pans out journalist truth squad t.v. . and in financial news the justice department filed a lawsuit against bank of america on tuesday accusing the bank of defrauding its investors the justice department along with the security and exchange commission's says that the bank vastly understated the risks involved in its sale of residential mortgage backed securities ultimately defrauding investors of eight hundred fifty million dollars now the lawsuit alleges that the banks made misleading statements to these investors and did not disclose important information about the details of the mortgages that comprise these securities now joining me to discuss the matter is

the security contract is switching here with the unified school district. i work in an industry which is frequently run by duplicitous people. therefore, people who work in this industry must always be alert, aware. sometimes, yes, we even have to expect the absolute worst. abc security is a company which is known for its duplicity. what we're asking is that we understand you're going to go with abc security, but we're asking for your oversight on this matter to make sure that these people that work for you currently for securitas and soon to be abc do not lose their wages, no cut in their wages,

there's in the u.n. security council not in the u.s. congress in the house of commons on the white house whitehall i would definitely make the case anything outside of the united nations security council on that force is getting on very slippery ground and will lead down the road strong. and that violation of international law will the kind that we have seen in iraq well talking of which you served as u.n. humanitarian coordinator for iraq do you see similarities here in the build up to what happened then we're talking about the unknown if they had not existed evidence of w m d's do you see the same thing happening here all the parallels of the op. there's also a very build up. some weeks ago we were told the public was told there may be a weapons of mass fraction but then the news in syria said it turned out to be there were likely to be such weapons involved and now we have very clear very critical and clear statements by both chuck hagel the secretary of defense of the u.s. and marshall by john kerry who saying we have evidence. and

but in both cases this commitment to absolute transparency has created great harm to the security of people around the world but can i ask you something if not whistleblowers who else can stop you in case you push it too far there must be checks and balances everywhere right. know they did you you're right you're right now let me raise a technical point for you a whistleblower has to point out unlawful activity even snowden admits this was an unlawful he claims it was unwise it was inconsistent with his personal value system but no one claims it was unlawful it was consistent with the law it was done under a court order with the knowledge of the congress and in so it's hard to for for me to imagine that you know that anyone would afford him whistleblower status at least in the technical legal definition of the term now where do you get debate you get debate in our representative government you get debate from a judge who pushes back saying he's uncomfortable with the outlines of the court order we want him to sign you get debate in the american congress were members particularly the i

the edge. we are hoping to be safer and more secure. there is a lot less personally identifying information sloshing around in the electric problem than there is in the financial services problem. i would suggest that the electric industry understands how lucrative of a target they are so most people are seeking opportunity, perhaps if they have a few less of the problems that. so this is the kind of relationship that we will all have to develop over time so what are the avenues by which they can move forward. a point that i simply wanted to make her at the end is other industries are going to go to school. and that actually is a pretty attractive proposition. kerry said we could have some questions. there are microphones here and i'm very happy to take whatever you might have. [applause] [applause] >> thank you very much. >> please introduce yourself and your affiliation. >> thank you. i'm spencer with the guardian. >> you suggested that in the event of apprehending edwards noren a mother could be cyberterrorism is a reprisal. could you

united states this is a security issue the public feels so divided from its security. what i said in "the wall street journal" is i came up with five things that i believe could be implemented within more or less conversation going with the public and i truly believe the prohibited items list was public, it was good for security , 2001, 2002 and 2003. somewhere along the lines it outlived its usefulness other than bombs, guns and toxins, things that can take down a plane or very quickly kill a lot of people. the amount of time and energy that we spend fishing for bags, pulling out prohibited items is a blease and i can get the drives the officers to focus on things that really are not a security risk to the aircraft. you certainly could kill somebody with your bear hands or a knife but that's not what i believe the tsa is there to do. so the prohibited items i would say yep, get rid of that and allow the officers to focus on explosives and allow them to focus on the people, the behavior. so i think i can talk about the liquid scanner, the machines that in the airport to

we have no way of knowing. >> john in the last couple of hours i was wandering into the security council of the united nations, the place where these big decisions are normally authorized. it was completely empty, wasn't sitting, no one was talking about syria. but the scenes behind the united nations, calls being made, those key to making these disurgses the uk france and the u.s. are trying to build a coalition, trying to make the point that even if they don't have the approval of the security council there is a moral authorizessation of this because an international norm has been crossed and chemical weapons have been used. >> james bays, thank you very much. well syria is slightly larger than north dakota. it sits at the edge of the mediterranean sea. turkey on the north iraq to the east and jordan on the south. its population 22 million, its capital dmas cuss and its president bashar al-assad. john, we're hearing that bashar al-assad's brother is running things behind the scenes. what can you tell us? >> i know and who knew? i mean who knew there was a brother potentially behind the

when the u.n. securityouncil refuses to step up to the plate, to respond to that situation, then there are other reasons under international law when one should consider that. >> as you know the neighbors of syria are concerned about what would happen if the u.s. attacked. neighboring israel has ordered a small scale order of groups and israeli citizens are now preparing as well. >> they're cueing for government supplied gas masks, demand has risen by 300% since last wednesday. the syrian capital of damascus is 400 kilometers from here, too close for comfort for israeliens. >> i hope that we never need to use it. >> assad's back is to the wall, and he may use it as a lack act of defiance. >> reporter: but the message were prime minister benjamin netanyahu, who met with his security cabinet for the third time in last few days said not to panic. military bases overlook the line of syriac and it's intelligence posts gather surveillance data. reports suggest they have provided the main proof that the assad mili

clap down, not only on the muslim brotherhood but security blanket that is reallystraitjacket and reasserts the or re-empowers a very aggressive authoritarian security state in the country. >> sharif, a teenage daughter of her prominent muslim brotherhood official was among the over 500 people killed in raids on supporters of ousted president morsi. on wednesday, he said his 17- year-old daughter had been killed and warned of a wider conflict pressingly not the head of the armed forces. >> i swear to god that if people don't keep protesting, al-sisi will to strike this country to more trouble, dragged this nation into civil war so he can escape the death penalty. be aware, egyptian people, going to the streets now to announce the end of the military coup and to announce the officers and the soldiers of the military party would kill its own people should not respond to its instructions. >> lina attalah had to leave. being reported that hundreds of morsi supporters have stormed a set fire to a governor building ingiza. sharif, could you explain to me you mentioned ea

the u.s. is holding talks on a new security deal. the philippines american ones of greater access to the country's military facilities to deploy troops equipment aircraft and ships alice say it's an increasingly assertive china that seems to be the real reason for washington's growing engagement in the asia pacific region washington has been steadily beefing up its military presence in the region while japan being its a man with fifty thousand american troops deployed there south korea comes in second with over twenty thousand u.s. military personnel and there's also the security hub of guam which holds several american military bases under a of the asian oriented policy the u.s. has been strengthening its alliances with the strain the philippines singapore thailand and yet now deploying troops as well as seeking to sign cooperation agreements america claims is just protecting its economic interests in the region but as our explains that doesn't seem to be the case. america's increasing interest in the asia pacific is defined by the w

the security guard ended up shooting at those people. they were in a car, hence the shatter of glass on the parking lot here. he ended up hitting one of them, and they ended up taking off the security guard is downtown at the police didnepartment being interviewed. >> reporter: police found the car that had -- that the four people used to get away. it was a stolen car. they found it a couple miles away inside was one of the suspected car burglars. this person had been shot at least more than once. has been taken to the hospital. nonlife threatening injuries, stable condition. as for his three accomplices, their location is unknown, as i mentioned earlier. san jose police has given up on the active search because they have recovered the car and they don't have a description to go on. i suppose they're hoping once they interview the man in the hospital, he'll be able to give them information on who they were. live in almaden, bob redell, "today in the bay." >>> 5:02. breaking news out of east palo alto where a teenager has died after being

secretary of state at that time presented to the u.n. security council as proof led to disastrous consequences will history repeat itself . moscow. well earlier i talked to broadcaster neil clark who is a long focused on covering the middle east and he told me that whatever the u.n. inspectors find it won't alter america's and britain's stance to see these weapons inspection teams going to this site and whatever they do the syrian government will be blamed the u.s. would have made that quite clear william hague britain's made that quite clear they believe the syrian government for this whatever the evidence or lack of evidence and there is no evidence that the syrian government ordered this massacre with chemical weapons yet they're still going to blame because they want war to go. before weapons traces or they may not and if they do that of course the us has said quite clearly the syrian government is the only party capable of using chemical weapons surveyed by the mind of if they don't then the syrian government will be accused of moving them s

at this hour, that is the syrian ambassador to the united nations addressing the security council therehich is meeting to determine what to do next. >> all of the details related to this situation. i am in your hands. >> reporter: do you want the team to find out -- assign responsibility for the incidents? and when did angela kaine request to visit guda? there seems to be some disparity there? they are saying there was a five-day delay. >> mr. angela kaine concluded an agreement with the syrian government with regard to her visit, and the visit was granted. she was granted with her team to to go to the locations where the chemical -- where the allegations of the use of chemical weapons -- are there. so there were -- there were no delay whatsoever, and she was granted access to the locations that she and the other doctor wanted to visit. >> reporter: where did these gases come from? >> you may be aware that long time ago, a couple of very important information spread all over the media, and nobody spoke about it, but we conveyed it if i recally speaking in official letters, among these o

during their escape they almost ran over the security guard. f the men gets back out of the car, apoors to draw a weapon. the security guard, fearing for his life according to police, shoots and hits one of the suspected burglars. >> the security guard is downtown at the police department being interviewed and it's going to be reviewed whether or not he's charged. >> reporter: police did find the getaway car not far from here. turns out it was stolen. not far from it lying on the ground, a suspected car burglar suffering from two gunshot wounds in the hospital, expected to survive but legally in a lot of trouble. under arrest for trying to break into cars. for the security guard, as you heard a lieutenant say, he's also in custody, not technically under arrest, being interviewed, trying to determine whether or not what he did was legally correct. it should be determined some time soon. they need to get people to ask more questions. bob redell, "today in the bay." >> investigation continues there, bob. crime is actually very rare in the almaden v

british to the security council what happened while the five permanent members of the united nations security council failed to reach a consensus failed to reach an agreement we have the u.s. the u.k. france russia and china the u.s. and france of course support the u.k. draft resolution russia and china are not certain that the syrian government has used chemical weapons and have warned about jumping to conclusions russia has publicly stated that the council should wait for the report of weapons inspectors the report from weapons inspectors that are in damascus right now before discussing any resolution on syria now the u.s. of course is claiming to have evidence that it promises to share in the coming days it's important to know that the u.n. secretary general ban ki moon has also said that the u.n. team needed to be given more time to establish the facts of the alleged chemical weapons attack and also at a press conference in geneva. the joint special envoy to syria lakhdar brahimi also said that any military strike in response to the use of chemical weapons in syria needed securit

the marine security guard is lower than the midpoint. lowest one, the most not near not even started yet is the recommendation about to improve the training of employees heading to post and expand the number of post where the additional security training is required. you talk about the issue in response questioning from senator corker about the need for the training facility for state department employees. we have met about this previously, and the chairman's proposed legislation addresses this. just to give us some history for everyone here, the state department began trying to find the training facility to replace the racetrack that was used during the week about four years ago. they began this long before benghazi, long before the arb. and there has been a four-year effort that considered 80 different site for the training facility, and it eventually dwindled down. some communities didn't want it. with a particular requirement largely to involve a facility that would be close to synergy with the marine security guard and others it dwi

then at the virginia port authority we have security staff that make sure that the terminals are secure as well as the marketing development staff and administration. >> so how does this court compete if it does, and explain that. other ports around the country, is it ranked among the top 20, how does it compete? >> an interesting dynamic. the real driver of for where carter will go is the beneficial cargo owners, people that have the cargo and on it. so there are a lot of costs involved along the way, from manufacturer to where it is being exported from. the ship line, the port of virginia. so we compete, obviously, by cost which is extremely important, but also by efficiency, how quickly we can get the cargo on its way to its final destination. one of those cost drivers are the ship line costs, how much it costs to move a container across the ocean. they're is a eugenic a player right now, and that is the size of the ship. a ship that carries 5,000 see using go through that panama canal and come into most ports. ships on the ocean right now that carry 12,500 ceus requires adept at 50

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no signs of the security council meeting in the coming hours. at any point any country, including russia, which has been very voc cal, vladimir putin very vocal in the last few hours, could call a meeting if they wanted. >> james, president obama made it clear they need the approval of the u.n. to do anything. yesterday secretary of state kerry flat-out said the united nations isn't going to tell us anything we don't already know when speaking of intelligence. how is the u.n. reacting to that? >> reporter: well, the u.n. is simply saying when asked about questions about the u.s. going it alone, look at the charter of the united nations. they're not saying it explicitly, but that charter says that any military action should be authorized by the security council. there are, though, i think no hurdles now for the obama administration. they've said they're not going to wait for the chemicals weapons report. they made it clear they won't get authorization from the security council. the only thing important on the time line now is the fact that world

the new precedent of the security known will they meet with him in person? er there will be a meeting of the full security council. that i do not yet know. i can tell you that the secretary-general has been in touch both with the outdoing president of the council, in other words the representative of argentina and with the incoming permanent representative of australia. that is what i have at the moment. with regard to the first part of your question, i do not anticipate any meeting as you just described.nt out that the secretary-general is going to be attending the g-20 summit in st. petersburg. we announced that yesterday. of course, that provides a good venue for meeting all kind of world leaders but at this point we don't know exactly, precisely which leaders he will be meeting with. marcella? >> thank you. can you tell us if the secretary-general has spoken to president obama today? what did he say to you? >> i cannot. he has not. >> can you tell us what is the secretary-general position on whether a military strike would be legal, legitimate or helpful?

secretary of state at that time presented to the u.n. security council as proof led to disastrous consequences will history repeat itself . r.t. moscow meanwhile the u.k. is already considering its response to the alleged chemical attack saying the time for diplomacy has run out are just correspondent sara firth has been gauging london's reaction bent in syria and joins us live now more welfare how serious is the u.k. about possible military action in syria. well foreign secretary william hague said this morning that the west could take military action against the assad regime without the backing or support of the united nations security council now he was speaking to b.b.c. radio four s today programme and he said that the united nations security council has not been united on syria and has not shouldered its responsibilities on syria and on the question of whether it was possible to act without complete unity on the united nations security council he replies oh dulcie yes it is now no firm decision has been taken on what the response will be or

the other is if the security council endorses the use of force. russia and china have made clear they would veto. in this situation any other use of force would be illegal. we hear discussion of the so- called kosovo model of 1999. they could use that. they could reference that in say we will do what we did in kosovo. what they did in kosovo was illegal. they said we cannot get security council permission because we now that russia will veto so we will not ask the security council. we will ask nato high command. the nato high command is not authorized to make that decision. nato is a military institution. you ask them and they say sure. that is like a hammer and the nail. if you're a hammer, everything look at nal. if you're nato, everything looks like it requires military intervention. international law does not say enough to get permission from the security council unless you do not and that you can get permission from london or nato or somebody else. you cannot do that. >> we're hearing that same rhetoric from former president jimmy carter. he