how was it perceived and received in the west? well, i think the, what the, what our minister is saying is that the best needs to get out of this mindset that it's problems. other was problems, but the was problems are not the best problems. and i think he's making a very valid point that when we are under stress, whether it is a debt issues, whether it is inflation, unemployment famine, climate related prices, the west is not, not there to help us. like when the west, once the global sound, to support them on a certain position with respect to the crisis and ukraine. they put a lot of pressure on the globe out to support them to sanction russia, to criticize the war and so forth. and what the situation that he's saying is that look when we have our problems and we need your help, you're not there to support us. so please step back for a moment and understand and empathize other problems are before insisting on a cert letter method. do you think it was heard the same a way it was intended in the west? do you think there was a note

sure, said roger, i love close out the west. you think ukraine as a smokescreen pluck from the problem of the middle east globe and south? south africa, goodbye. equates the international criminal court. as, according to the country's president's who announced to move off the i see it in the west. a dozens of dead power military fighters in the street following reports of a 5th with the army and violence and the country wages for 10 days, thousands of civilians and foreign national.

meanwhile, the west has supplied ukraine with modern battle tanks that could be used in a possible spring offensive. so on to the point, we asked putin's atomic weapons plan, is the nuclear risk rising? hello and welcome to the point. it's the point, we asked putin's atomic weapons plan, is the good to have you with us. how serious is the nuclear threat to understand this? i have three esteemed guests with me today, gesina don bluth is a journalist. she works with one of germany's public broadcasting radio stations, deutschland with me today, gesina don bluth is a journalist. she funk geza covers russian affairs and has lived and worked in moscow as a foreign correspondent for anna clara. an is a fellow for global security and nuclear policy at the european leadership network. she writes on nuclear policy and strategic stability issues as well as transatlantic security and joining us from bonn is my ukrainian colleague, roman goncharenko. he works for d w s russian desk and has been extensively covering the war for the last one year. a very warm welcome to all of you. now, what motivated

the west is not, not there to help us. like when the best ones, the global south to support them on a certain position with respect to the crisis and ukraine. they put a lot of pressure on the globe out to support them to sanction russia, to criticize the war and so forth. and what the situation go to saying is that look when we have our problems and we need your help, you're not there to support us. so please step back for a moment and understand and empathize. all the problems are before insisting on a so. mr method, do you think it was heard the same a way it was intended in the west, a thing they west took a note of that statement, both in europe and hopefully in the united states. my, my post and view that the narrative is very much i they much in favor of what the rest would like to believe. but it, i think the weiss is being heard because the rulers south is actually making a plea for peace. they want to stay neutral in this crisis in your brain. they don't want to take sides. they don't want to impose any sanctions.

and doesn't, doesn't swallow the west the narrative. i'm not entirely sure how much they believe the, the russian narrative neither but, but they got don't go along and they kind of like golden age stuff that's, that's exactly the thing that then outrages people outside of the bubble. and this doesn't help. it doesn't help to create followers, right? this is actually an interesting point. you just made that you're not sure how much they are buying both their western and russian narrative and, and these conflicts strikes me as one of the 1st conflicts where narrative don't even matter. because the countries seem to be of their own line. they are doing their own calculations, you know, and they're looking at their own reality to picture in order to decide where to position themselves. isn't that a new development about brought, brought in by this conflict that the, the influence of propaganda seems to be diminishing? well, the inference of propaganda is strongest inside these, these bubbles right inside the west, probably in. so i don't k

that is, they accused the west of the fact that it was the west that ruined the country for ukrainianstion. so, when i spoke, they actually supported me, that is, simply by mentioning all the same countries about my speech, china, the united arab emirates there, africa like ghana. that is, everyone who is now. as a matter of fact, in the orbit of china, russia, the president understands that ukraine needs peace. well, the west does not need peace, peace is not needed at all, the west needs to test its new types of weapons. he bayrak has already disgraced himself there. let's see how they show themselves, if i'm beautiful farts, which they already put on they say dynamic protection, because they are now called names there, that they are not tanks, but a bald one from brothers uh-huh but, that's why they put dynamic protection on them, because otherwise they are useless. here, that is, they are their weapons, that is, the only one who wins on this. this is the military-industrial complex western. the nations also suffer from this, because the wild rise in prices strikes. he paris has alm

is that the, the west is fighting an ideological conflict. the rest of the world is thinking about sovereignty, prosperity, even international law. and that's what's making this. so a symmetrical, and that's why the messaging in the media can confuse, quote unquote, the masses in the west. because they're being fed a pack of lies. i mean democracy. burke is versus a talk receipt. come on. i mean, this is such a ridiculous binary. ok? a lot of countries that are democracies and have wonderful relationships with asian . that's not the question that is in play. here, but that is what western audiences are being fed and what, god forbid, quote unquote, democracy fail. so when you set it up this way, you're setting yourself up for failure. go ahead. bright. absolutely. and when you read the western media, they talk about an isolated russia finding support in every, in places like asia, africa, and south america, which is pretty much the entire planet, isn't it? except for the us in europe. they have this idea that they're isolating russia or isolat

i don't think it will get any better for chia for, for the west. and again, the denial by t of the delay in condemning by western european and american governments does not look good. if you're not involved, you should be condemning it loudly and throwing all your resources available to try and figure out who is responsible. that the lack of seeking an answer may be part of an answer. and i mean, we're in the middle of a conflict right now, but this is an attack on civilians. what purpose do these attacks on civilians serve? while it silences a journalist who is actually going into the, into the wars down and reporting what we're not getting reported in again, europe or in american media. again, the lack of reporting on the, on the front. my. i mean, i embedded a couple of times in iraq during the previous golf course, and there were not many journalists that we're actually going out with american troops on patrol. many of them were staying in hotels and just kind of repeating what they were being told. but there were these journalists going into th

the west end. and the money from, from the united states, this country would be a failed state, which is the factor already. well, i agree with having to have the conversation with someone who's being sponsored. if someone is being sponsor you talking to the sponsor, not to the person who is being sponsored, does my, my lord be fine beyond my thinking? well, i'm sure the chinese are very well aware of that. ok. brian brought the term piece people. what pieces are to be kept in ukraine? this is this orwellian language. we like to play on. it's all the time. no, it will only add to the complex and it will escalate that conflict. and there is no there's. there's no one knows where that could end if there was a direct or quasi nato intervention with troops. that would be utterly catastrophe . go ahead, brian. it would, and it all depends on russia, ends the u. s. proxy war against russia and ukraine, and the conflict that the united states is trying to engineer with china has been entirely up to both m

well the world don't need the smell of the west the world is not needed at all, the west needs to testxcellent aircraft will show themselves, on which they are already putting dynamic protection, they say, because they are now called names there, that they are not tanks, but bald ones from brothers uh-huh but, that's why they put dynamic protection on them, because otherwise they are useless. here, that is, they push all the junk to load their military-industrial complex. there , unload the old arsenals and order new weapons. that is, the only one who wins on this is the western military-industrial complex, the peoples too. they suffer from this, because the wild rise in prices of the strike, he almost burned paris, and because of the garbage collectors' strike , there are rats running around the size of a well-fed cat. here the uk has problems with vegetables on the shelves wildly rising prices. i thought people like that out there are tearing their own teeth. and they even try to fill, because there 90 or even 99% of dental offices do not take new patients. so people go some other co

and the west and the united states noticed very well. so they trying to somehow drive a wedge between russia and china. now we know that to morrow, mister amount of my crone is traveling to china before we have the prime minister of spain going to china and also to live on delay and is trying to, will be trying to persuade, exceeding think to, to somehow size a with with, with the west of the same time to meet with jimmy about what was the purpose. so 6 aging thing to, to talk to jenny sky. sorry to say it, but honestly he's a puppet. i mean, these being, you know, ridiculously power with money and the weaponry from, from the west without the west end and the money from, from the united states. this country would be a failed state, which is the factor already. well, i agree with having to have the conversation with someone who's being sponsor if someone is being sponsor you talking to the sponsor, not to the person who has been sponsored. that's my, my lord. be fine beyond my thinking. well, i'm sure the chinese are very well aware of th

what the west, the west. just as what, just as what was just said about the unit polar moments being over there still desperately trying to reassert it. and as the window of opportunity close closes, they become more and more desperate in their thinking and in their actions. think about how dangerous the u. s. invasion and occupation of eastern syria was, and us troops, but you know, working past russian troops and how, how many close calls are, were already there. and now everything in ukraine is the stakes are so much higher . and that's exactly what we're going to talk to talk about when we return from our break. gentlemen, we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on the conflict. anyway, let's stay with archy. ah ah, some nations may be able to turn a blind eye to atrocities and other countries, the united states of america is different wherever people long to be free. they will find a friend in the united states ah, with a mighty bazy. so the city jaw.

this is total war against the west. why do i say that? what is in the speech that gives me that sense? in the middle of the speech he is talking about economic development, business, technology and so forth. but it has all got to be aimed at victory in this war. he says, "the successful launch of russian companies and small businesses is a victory." a victory in what? in this titanic struggle against the west. the opening of factories and roads is a victory. a new school or kindergarten is a victory. scientific discoveries in technology is a victory. everybody's contribution to the overall success of this struggle is a victory. the only thing missing is a "hail victory." in his mind, he is all in. there is no negotiation, there is no compromise. the only thing is victory. that is what he said in 1943 and it did not work well for the third reich. putin is all in with this and that is what the speech tells me. jill: thank you very much, ambassador sullivan. we are going to turn to will pomerantz. this is a great way of getting into it by quo

that the collective west we can hardly cancel. to me that i generally believe that the stronger the freer independent sovereignty russia will be, the better relations with the collective west will be. it's just that we have to go over the point of dependence to the point, and the west-philia to the point e, when perceiving western civilization as a norm, as a model, as who, why we follow and what we unconditionally accept the more. russia will be turned to itself, to no western civilizations, which are mentioned in this brilliant doctrine. in my opinion, a very relevant doctrine of our foreign policy, finally a sovereign doctrine of our e foreign policy, the better, no matter how paradoxically our relations with the west will be built. i believe that the globalist elite is far from the entire west, unipolar supporters of a unipolar world and the imposition of liberal hegemony on us. this is far from the whole west west - this is childbirth and cultures and states with their own national interests , globalists and liberals are now

in general, the west policy of weakening russia is called a hybrid war. the new title u foreign policy concept assumes an absolute rejection of neo colonial practices. and hedgeland is of a course is being set for a strategic partnership with our great neighbors, member china, india, and countries of the islamic world. the latin american countries, the countries of africa, and countries of south east asia, to narrow it along with it as well. and earlier in the day or correspond, marina cause her if i broke down some of the main points of the doctrine, the updated foreign policy concept has some 76 points. we won't go through them all to just to give remain just all of things. basically it's all about, as they says in the document, abandoning the dominance of the united states and working on strengthening corporation with other countries to make sure that this is a mold type. holo world, something that we've been hearing about rory for a couple of months now, but this is now really cemented the selling a documentary decree that was signed by vladimir putin

that is, they accused the west of the fact that it was the west that ruined the country for the ukrainiansion. so, when i spoke, they actually supported me, that is, just by mentioning all the same countries china , the united arab emirates, there africa like ghana, that is, everyone who is now, in fact, in the orbit of china, russia, the president understands, that ukrainians need peace. well the world don't need the smell of the west world, don't at all the west needs it, it needs to test its new types of weapons. he’s already disgraced the bayraktar, let’s see how the beautiful aircraft will show themselves, on which they are already putting dynamic protection, they say, because they are called names there now that they are not tanks, but bald ones with brothers uh-huh but, that’s why they put dynamic protection on them, because otherwise they are useless. now, i mean, they're shoving everything off the only one who wins on it. this is the military-industrial complex western. the nations also suffer from this, because wild rise in strike prices. he paris has almost burned down, but beca

and in the end, regarding how the west sees the future, what the minister of foreign affairs of frances worries me a bit after macron's visit to china, but the general mood of the west is 100%, it's for us and that's very, very it is important that there are no unequivocal answers here and it is very important to play both that emotion and that attitude that is present in the west, but also this is the last thing i want to say. emotions and it is very important for us to explain to the west, and this includes our task, just as we do it by military or other means, that the victory of ukraine is in fact a clear victory for the west, and in no way a threat in the sense of further escalation of pressure on world markets , and so on and in relation to there are very, very many discussions about this now, both among politicians and among experts, so of course the west is for us, but it is very important that the west , being for us, is ready to raise the stakes for itself, mr. pavlo, well, you said that one of the results of this ministerial meeting of the foreign affairs of the big seven is

the whole problem is between the west and the rest. and the western efforts to use any means possible to preserve as dominance, to preserve its had germany, to preserve its unfair privileges and advantages both they can amik system and in security, they main until that remains the western position. there could be no change on, on the battlefield. and the latest episode all going on the ground after we can see the energy expert on us. l. g malone. the ramifications of the e. u. sanctions against russia is a sneak peak of that interview. and you can watch it in full here and i'll see on saturday effect. and this is something you won't hear on that so called mainstream media in a donations that the people paying for putins war as they call it, are the european union countries that a sanctioning themselves and they are paying a general price. if you look at the spending that those governments made to kind of mitigate the impact of the enter the crash. it is in billions of dollars. and if you look at it in term of living standards, i mean f

they say they've now occupied the ball aaliyah based in south west and cartoon. the power military group was claims to have fees control of the republican palace. however, the national army has denied that claim. the r s f is also announced is capture of the marrow we military base in the north of the country. now this footage allegedly show soldiers from neighboring egypt who had been captured by the r s. s at the base. according to some speculative reports, the head of sedans, military filled a secret deal with egypt to use the bass to smuggle, with all this out of sudan only. meanwhile, at least 3 people have been killed during classes that cause a bead. as according to the cut, in fact, this war has been going for a long time after omar alba, sheer was deposed in a coo and 2019 this place. just got silent. we can't film other views as the firings ongoing. and there are forces that would detect us if we do were so terrified right now. just recently we heard bombings and the sound of screaming. now the atmosphere in the city is list, aggravated after the armies

and the west has basically turning a blind eye to all that. let's take a listen. journalists are constantly hearing death threats from the keep regime and his supporters, which are increasingly being implemented there, harassed branded in the literal sense with special markings on the digital platforms of american internet monopolies. well, there is a witch hunt in the western media. all this happens with the tactic, disregard of the romans international structures which now can be interpreted as an approval if not complicity. in any case of the violent death of a russian journalist which was assessed by the caf regime and his thugs, as a success, neither western countries nor international organizations, nor foreign professional communities, conducted investigations. they didn't even show elementary human sympathy. not so long ago, the west was fighting extreme asthma, terrorism marching with the united from paris in defense of journalists against whom terrorist attacks were committed to day, the lack of reaction, the white house down the stre

because if the west isn't interested in any kind of negotiations, why should the russians be randy? well listen to the really need whole proxy war against russia is fracturing we're seeing that it is altering and there's a lot of theatre going on right now for preemptive damage control. ringback in the whole ukraine war or special military operation. there's, you know, this is adage, fundamental. a war and economic war by it'll spearheaded by the shapes and with full support of natal. there is they need to keep their optics up. they need to keep their feeder up, they need to keep people motivated and mobilized. well, the, the proxy war falters. you know, we're not sure what it's going to look like nobody by then doesn't care of anybody loses money. in the ukraine, the american to our last as many billions in there. so you don't, this is attitude an economic war to deprive russia. and i would say the bricks aligns of their economic security and retain american domination. and they're not willing to give up brandy. the more they pursue this line, the more backfires on them, we look at

the whole reality, the west of the system. and those who claim to be it's rulers, whether in the u. s. or elsewhere, trying to undermine the authority of the orthodox church or any crowd in the world . the orthodox church is under attack everywhere because it has preserved and maintains faith, morality and values, including family valuables, ada. now the 2nd down you old global democracy summit designed to promote, says the slogan, goes free, fur and transparent elections as they foundation of democratic governance has run into us. all of turbulence, attendees from africa, have expressed on willingness to have values imposed on them at the u. s. government sponsored event. what we are against is the interference from any direction, whether from the western world or anywhere else with old like jews, the pipeline of democracy, to we pause certain values on the african people. if this continues, there will be a huge divorce of africa. nations from the pipeline of democracy as we note we therefore, i mean or challenge the western

when we come back, we will continue to look at how authentic the west pers, for homosexual rights in foreign countries really is going with our guest. him, gordon stated ah huh. ah ah, ah, donald trump is again at the nexus of american politics. he's also the 1st american president to face jail time. the entire legal apparatus of the state appears to be aligned against trump. can the rule of law survive this legal odyssey? who memory loss is unusual, forgetfulness, and a form of memory loss and ability to recall. past events with can be general or concerns, some specific events solely in some cases, the memory laws can extend back decades. a start an intensive course of memory recovery on our team with ok. welcome back. we're talking about the global career agenda with author of the case for patriarchy and catholic youtube podcast or tim gory and welcome back to him. now before the break, we were talking about marriage obviously, before we get to the global issues, that's very, very important. the one case it was said, marriage cross state party lines. that's how they were able to get

you don't see the russians bombing any journalists in the west . there was a lot of thought that obviously went into this fits if the details are correct, that we're hearing now that a lot of thought went into this. and same thing with dory deanna. a lot of thought went into carrying out her attack as well. so certainly it could have been the same group. they had to have some intelligence and they had to have significant research to do this beforehand. we've seen the west, they are doing everything they can to silence the journalists that are either the even neutral or have a pro russian stance. so they're doing everything they can with the censorship or monetization or deletion of their social media channels. and even resorting to these bombings now, like i said, you don't see this happening to western journalists or ukrainian journalists done at the hands of russian forces. now, you only see this terrorist activity done by ukraine and people from the west coming in in killing russian journalists because they don't want their points of view to be h

we've seen the west, they are doing everything. they can to silence the journalists that are either the even neutral or have a pro russian stance. so they're doing everything they can with the censorship de monetization or deletion of their social media channels and even resorting to these bombings. now, like i said, you don't see this happening to western journalists or ukrainian journalists done at the hands of russian forces. now, you only see this terrorist activity done by ukraine and people from the west coming in in killing russian journalists because they don't want their points of view to be erred. they have no defense against it. so they have to hide the truth that's coming out of their mouth. every terrorist attack we have seen in this operation has been done by the ukrainian military for the west and were talking yes, just the not just new car bombings. but we're talking about the bridge to crimea. we're talking about the nurturing pipeline. every single significant can terrorist attack, or every single terrorist attack

and the best thing to do is just let the west off the hook. so he drops the investigation into us torture and atrocities in afghanistan, focusing exclusively on the taliban and isis k. and he essentially stalls or freezes the i. c c's investigation into his railey war crimes in the palestinian occupied territories, giving a get out of jail free card to 2 of the world's worst human rights abusers, while focusing exclusively on the geopolitical foe of nato. and as we explained, this arrest warrant was bought and paid for by nato states, the allies of the u. s. while the u. s. refuses to comply with the rome statute and rejects the i c c. i. so what else can you tell us about the inconsistencies? only allegations made by the i c say well that they've essentially said that what is taking place and when i say they, i mean not just cream con, but the investigators at yale h r l sponsored by this special state department office that was created to investigate russian war crimes by joe biden. ah, they have alleged what russia is doing by transferring

well how fragile the union was especially in the far west? so he initiated the sweeping purge of federal officials about 1500 of them in total and he replaced them all with reliable unionists. this include included firing the southern-born governor and the secretary of new mexico the exact same guys who oversaw the passage of the territory slave code in addition to firing basically all the friends who were in all the friends of william gwyn. who were in california is patronage positions. much harder to lead a rebellion in the rep in the west when you no longer really hold power there. now an equally important factor in a resting rebellion in the far west was ironically the position that the region's pro slavery leaders took it's what i wait and see separatism. so rather than provoke outright rebellion, they basically preferred to cheer the confederacy from a nice safe distance. once the confederacy triumphed then they would launch a movement for an independent republic on the pacific coast. i mean at least this was their plan. and at one point

, the road from east to west is concerned. the best possible way is flying through the giant territory of russia. what it does is it makes it shorter, it makes it cheaper. but as far as india and china are concerned, they've not signed up to the sanctions. so these 2 may be able to use this route. but interesting how in a sense of entitlement, they think that it's so key for eastern airlines to suffer as much as western airlines and why perhaps it's dying to think the other way you can see me. uganda, i should say, as announced, it's sending 5000 troops to the neighboring democratic republic of congo. this in an effort to restore peace near the everyone and border you got as president, has emphasized that the soldiers, main task will be to restore order and not to engage in fighting a militant group. that the d. c insists is supported by ra, wonder we are going to be in the gun richer area, not in order to find the m 23, but to act as a neutral force, as the congo is used, the time to search out their political problems. unless

probably more effective on its own people than on the west. clearly the russians are not getting access to the information on the battlefield. what is happening in ukraine. and the hope, is that at some point, the information blockade will and. and russians will actually have to understand what sort of actions and military aggression has engaged in ukraine. >> thank you. we have another question from the audience right down here in the middle. the microphone is coming. there we go. yes sir? if you could identify yourself? >> my name is timothy, perhaps i am too old to do this, because i just turned 89 last month. but i was a foreign service officer, starting in the kennedy administration. so my mind goes back to long, and i worked for 20 years in the state department has a political officer. two years in havana, cuba. more time with gorbachev than any american, taking him all around the united states of america. so my mind is in the past, and i plan to live to 100. my question is, isn't there less than a modern way, and i love modern people, is

outbreaks of rain to northern ireland, the far west of scotland, later in the day.d be quite warm — up to around 17 degrees in the mildest spots. then it's all changed for bank holiday monday. this weather front spreads across the country with some fairly gusty winds, as it does clear through during the second part of the day, it brightens up sunshine and blustery showers, some of them will be fairly heavy. temperatures coming down a touch, particularly in the north and the west — highs of 10 to around 13 or m degrees for most. and then, the upcoming new week looks unsettled, low pressure always nearby. it'll stay quite showery. a bit of sunshine around, too, but it will be noticeably cooler. this is bbc news. we'll have the headlines and all the main stories for you at the top of the hour, when newsday continues straight after hardtalk. welcome to hardtalk, i'm stephen sackur. today, i'm in wiltshire, southern england, farming country, where the serene rural views belie deepening economic anxiety. because right now agriculture is under enormous pressure. spiralling

this is an ideal option for the west , the minimum option for the west . areas that are left as part roup ukraine for the time being according to preliminary agreements and continue the uh conflict over time, but in a different apiary, having prepared, yes, feathers hmm, so to speak, after reformatting everything that is there. as for the money that has been invested here, the west will not demand it for one simple reason, that today it is actually waging a war in ukraine for the redistribution of the world by the hands of ukrainians and its resources, therefore, to believe that it will ever be able to give ukraine away to the improbability of an attempt will be provided that all this territory becomes part of russia or in some other way becomes a separate state not about the western, it is clear then that money will try to be other options, they are unlikely to be good, well , given the limitations of our format , the last about the philosophical question is traditionally everything. we remember chekhov, if a gun hangs on the wall, then in the third act. it will definitely shoot, wel

the so-called inferior races of the death camp for the west are a common phenomenon here. hitler could not come up with anything new . 1901 the english concentration camp bunfontein in 1945 the german death camp. the west existed well due to the robbery of the colony the colonies brought huge profits to the inhabitants of britain. france tried to achieve the same half. roberts, doctor of economics , journalist, former assistant secretary of the treasury, us for economic policy, in his articles and books analyzes the economic causes destabilizing the world. i don't think the driving force behind european colonialism was anything other than greed, the sun never set on the british empire. her colonies were everywhere and this empire is much older than i admire the english people in colonization, he did the unheard of. fascism forgetting the contribution of other countries to the development of this idea the concept of fascism goes back to the italian word fashio, which means a bunch, that is, the unification of the economic and political power of half of europe was fascist in

, the road from east to west is concerned. the best possible way is flying to the giant territory in russia. what does it, it makes it shorter, it makes it cheaper. but as far as india and china concerned they've not signed up to the sanctions, so they still may be able to use this route. but interesting how in a sense of entitlement, they think that it's ok for eastern airlines to suffer as much as western airlines . and why it's time to think the other way in is law and justice massa has accused a problem opposition position of supporting interference by foreign powers and the countries domestic affairs. thank you. or who gandhi, for inviting foreign powers for interference into india's internal matters. remember, indian judiciary can't be influenced by foreign interference. india won't tolerate foreign influence any more because our prime minister isn't a random audi. some lesson piles of express support for that in the in opposition. pardon? i am form apartment member. raw who gundy germany said it was concerned about the m

the west has not gone anywhere before. e is your wonderful question vladimir adolfovich and why has this cynical still not gone away. i like people to ask questions, and then what not traditional for the russian intelligentsia, 16 years old. there are no two ministers. they explained why they didn't agree, because that's what controls 98% of world trade. despite the fact that they do not control the trade in exchange goods and do not control the trade in the military , i heard another explanation. an interesting one. i heard an explanation, because you are now playing seriously. china plays a leading role there. and that, therefore, do not dismount, this is not my point of view. that's what i heard, but still. this is probably too complicated a point of view. who doesn't know oh what he says, and we see that the west is organizing, but this aggression is very aggressive against us, because they are at the beginning. uh, at the end of the eighties there was also a situation, who would collapse first, and they remembered that