first, timothy mcveigh didn't blow anybody up in the anymore of god.blown up anything in the name of god he would have been just as wrong spiritually as he was psychologically for blowing people up in the first place. but they always try to equate extremists muslims with christians. not calling them extremists christians. maybe you know better than i, but i don't believe that timothy mcveigh was extremist. i don't remember the -- >> it's not even a valid argument point, because mcveigh and his little crew, doesn't represent anything. they are just crazy guys, killers, murders. we put them away and they got what they deserve. muslims who attack them on to 9/11 are part of the jihad, which is a movement. the movement has not been confronted by the so-called moderate muslims, good muslims. they haven't confronted the jihad. >> glenn: some have. >> very few. >> glenn: very few, but -- >> if all of the moderate muslims throughout the world would confront the jihad, the jihad couldn't exist. they exist because governments let the jihad exist. >> glenn: i hav

foundation and the man who detonated the bomb at a mosque all muslims. >> and the people equate timothy mcveighrganization, which is growing, and a threat that exists. >> that's right, see, because when mcveigh was put to death, that ended all threats of american born terrorists. here's one for you. all brian kilmeads are bastards and tonight's worse person in the world ♪ [ e. clark ] i'm an engineer. i love my job. i can see what's it's doing for the community on a day-to-day basis. natural gas is cleaner burning than most fossil fuels and it's vital to our energy needs. increasingly we're finding gas in hard to reach areas, but now we've developed technology that enables us to access gas in hard rocks so we can bring more fuel to homes and help provide a reliable source of energy into the future. ♪ into the future. on your next business trip, pack your marriott rewards visa card. get triple points every time you use your card at marriott. apply now and earn 22,500 bonus points when you use your card and enjoy a free night stay. so, before you know it, work time becomes well-deserved downtime.

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i tried to play the full clip, shouldn't do this to christians with timothy mcveigh. he seemed to be making actually the opposite argument. >> well, i think the fundamental problem here is he had one role on npr as an analyst and another role on fox as a commentator and even, you know, playing the fox game, a bit of a provocateur. so those two things are not compatible. and npr should have acknowledged that, and i would say that juan williams should have acknowledged it. i looked up the npr standards on their own website as for exactly this. and they say, "an npr journalist should not participate in showser, electronic forums or blogs that encourage punditry and speculation rather than fact-based analysis." >> the kind of thing you'd never see on cnn. >> s.e. cupp, sarah palin tweeting you got a taste of hypocrisy. they screwed now. conservatives are loving this. fox news gave juan williams a three-year, $2 million contract in the wake of the firing. makes fox news look open minded. >> right. i mean, fox news defends their own like it's nobody's business. if you've ev

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questioned bill reilly and said to do not want to make a sweeping, about christianity because of what timothy mcveigh had done. it is a balancing statement, and this certainly was not a firing offense. but npr is now suggesting there is more to it than that. like many things, is murky. >> charles, fox, where you are a contributor, offered juan a $2 million contract. >> i think it is a clear issue. the big tree chart is a joke. if you heard it in context, there was no big trick at all. jesse jackson once talked about the sadness he feels when he is on the street and years footsteps and it turns out to be a white person, he says it is relieved. it is the kind of a feeling he says he is sad about what he talked about openly. he is not a bigot. juan is not a bigot. npr came up with a second explanation, that he went over the line as an npr analyst expressing opinions. i am on the set with juan at least once a week, i have been on the set with nina almost 17 years, and i don't understand the inconsistency here. why is it ok for to express opinions, as she has unashamedly and openly, and she is an honored

broadly on muslims and that he would not want to make sweeping charge about christianity because of timothy mcveigh. it is a more balanced statement. certainly it was not a firing offense. but npr is now suggesting there was more to it than that. like so many things, is murky. >> charles, fox, where you are a contributor, offered juan 8 $2 million contract. >> i don't think it is murky at all. it is a clear issue. the bigotry charge is a joke it is obvious if you heard it in context. know bigotry at all. jesse jackson once talked about the sadness he feels on the street and he hears footsteps and it turns out to be a white person. he says he is relieved. it is the kind of a feeling he says he is sad about but it is something he talked about openly. he is not a bigot. juan is not a bigot. npr came up with a second explanation could the ceo said he went over the line of npr analysts expressing opinion. i am on the set with one at least once a week. >> and mara on fox. >> i don't understand inconsistency here. she has partly and shot and unashamedly and openly -- tartly and sharply and unashamedly and

broadly on muslims, just as you would not want to make a sweeping charge on christianity because of timothy mcveigh. it is a more balanced statement. certainly what he did was not a firing offense. but npr is now suggesting there was more to it than that. like so many things in this world, it is very murky. >> charles, fox, where you are part of regular contribute your -- where you are a contributor, offered juan it to million- dollar contract. >> i think it is a clear issue. the bigotry charge is a joke. if you heard it in context, there was no big retreat at all. jesse jackson once talked about the side as he feels when he is on the street and he hears footsteps and when it turns out to be a white person, he is relieved. it is the kind of a feeling heat says he is sad about, but something to talk about openly. he is not a bigot. juan is not a bigot. npr came up with a second explanation, that he went over the line of npr analysts and correspondents expressing opinions. i am on the set with juan at least once a week, i have been on the set with nina here for almost 17 years, and i don't understand

because if you said, what, timothy mcveigh, the atlanta bomber, these people who are protesting against homosexuality, at military funerals, very obnoxious. you don't say first and foremost, we've got a problem with christians because that's crazy. >> but it's not at that level. it doesn't rise near to that level. >> correct. and when you said in the talking points' memo a moment ago that there are good muslims, i think that's a point. >> okay, eugene robinson is an msnbc political analyst and pulitzer prize winning columnist with "the washington post." michelle bernard is president of the independent women's forum. thank you for coming on. and this is a tricky bit of business and people have to listen carefully and i guess that we have to be careful with how we deal with this issue. but juan williams' been canned. fired from the job that he's had a long time. we all know the fellow. we know his fight for civil rights. he wrote "eyes on the prize." he's been all on the side of so many good issues. what's this about? >> well you know i think npr's firing of juan was wrong. i think -- and

that there have been many terrorists who were not only non muslim they were also might be member timothy mcveigh going to american morning what about the ira who received funding from americans to carry out terrorist acts in northern ireland what about israeli terrorists you know you could go on for days but the point here is that yes there are terrorists. but to say that all terrorists are muslim is the most ignorant the most arrogant the most detrimental statement that anyone could make it's that kind of idiocy that makes our world more dangerous because it's contagious because fox news allows its host to repeat such blatant lies and never counters their statements never tries to correct them with truth you see they plant those seeds of hate on the viewers they listen they eat it up and they become convinced if you ask me brian kilmeade should be fired but he won't be he will be because he gets paid to fear mongering to further the fox and g.o.p. agenda so that i guess that it's only up to people like me to anyone in fact that has some tiny semblance of sanity to try to correct those wrongs to

if you said timothy mcveigh, the atlanta bomber, these people protesting against homosexuality very object obnoxious, you don't say first and foremost we have a problem with christian. that's crazy. >> media matters will cover all of that. mpr fired him for being honest and for saying what everyone with a brain was thinking. but i think they fired him for being interesting. that's a huge rule breaker. a place that makes ambien like ambirol. who cares the cap called tolerance? those on the left who believes everyone is entitled to their own views, unless they aren't their views. and of course this is the same media who avoids anything that might upset muslims. a group they tell us we shouldn't fear. yet, they are silent about mohamed cartoons. that's the real stinker. while juan explained his nervousness, he only mentioned what the cowards in the media feel, but denies. so they got rid of him. which should be a feather in his cap. if you disagree with me, you are a racist homophobic feather fob. >> we all know that ron williams is a racist jerk. >> i can't think of a bigger jerk in this bui

said timothy mcveigh after that people didn't say that all christians are now terrorists so i think that you know there's a number of issues that i see a white hand this is part of our soundbite culture right not that's true i mean but see. you're right but you're wrong in a way it's part of our son culture but this feeds into the context of these shows these shows are very heavily scripted talking points very well nailed down to fit the issues of the day to fit their demographic that they're going after especially in this election year you know it's almost like shadow boxing bill i'm going to criticize you after a set up the statement kind of thing that you're it's or what i don't know is that they are the person is rosie why you know i'm going to sit here i can easily criticize bill or ali and fox news but i don't know if this man should've been fired for i mean to be honest my opinion of the i don't think that helen thomas should have been fired i don't think octavia nasser should have been fired rick sanchez i mean you when you talk crap on your boss that's just stupid what i'm going

if you said timothy mcveigh, the atlanta bomber, these people protesting against homosexuality very object obnoxious, you don't say first and foremost we have a problem with christian. that's crazy. >> media matters will cover all of that. mpr fired him for being honest and for saying what everyone with a brain was thinking. but i think they fired him for being interesting. that's a huge rule breaker. a place that makes ambien like ambirol. who cares the cap called tolerance? those on the left who believes everyone is entitled to their own views, unless they aren't their views. and of course this is the same media who avoids anything that might upset muslims. a group they tell us we shouldn't fear. yet, they are silent about mohamed cartoons. that's the real stinker. while juan explained his nervousness, he only mentioned what the cowards in the media feel, but denies. so they got rid of him. which should be a feather in his cap. if you disagree with me, you are a racist homophobic feather fob.ll know that ron williams is a racist jerk. >> i can't think of a bigger jerk in this building. w

. >> those times of the statement were not said around timothy mcveigh and oklahoma.ave said christians kid us. megyn: they did. wake up. >> we do need a meaningful political dialogue. what the right have done to polarize this country around this issue is just a shame. this is an opportunity to appreciate and understand one of the basic principles that our country was found on. unfortunately bill o'reilly played to that. megyn: let me ask you this. did he or are they being too hard on them. there is no question that yes the people who attacked us on 9/11 were muslims. they were radical extremist muslims. bill omitted that word in the heat of an argument. they trite as if he intentionally condemned the entire religion of islam. was that a fair leap on their part? >> no. they should have stayed in the chair and behaved like adult and expressed their views to bill o'reilly. no, you forgot the word extremist. bill is a fair guy, we know that. he would have conceded that point. megyn: let me show what you happened moment after the exchange we just saw. >> if anybody felt i

i mean -- timothy mcveigh, i assume, was achristian. he did an act of terrorism.n that did it? it's ridiculous. the majority of muslim people are law abiding pacifist people who are not out to kill everybody. but every group of people has extremists. they're outlaws. they're criminals. and you can't lump everybody in to a specific religion. hey, i have enough trouble with religion anyway. i think religion in its own way is the root of all evil. you notice every war is fought over religion. >> that's a pretty subversive statement there, governor. >> i don't care, it's the truth. it isn't subversive. look at the facts. >> let's go to everybody in the studio is looking at me like, wow. talk about this. bill o'reilly, here's what he said. muslims killed us on 9/11. is that not true. do you find that not to be the facts? >> i investigate 9/11. i have a lot of questions about 9/11. the government and what they told us about 9/11 is strictly a theory also. what have they proven? i ask you this. we're a country by the rule of law. it's been nine years now since 9/11. why

and law-enforcement information when they involve purely american domestic activities such as timothy mcveighother purely domestic terrorists, which would be the province of our law enforcement and homeland security agencies, not the intelligence community. instead, i'm primarily concerned with total intelligence reform. particularly integration as envisioned by certainly the spirit and the content of the intelligence reform and terrorism prevention act, or irtpa, which of course traces its inspiration to the work of the 9/11 commission. and when i think about the state of total intelligence reform i'm focusing on integration, the merging of collection and analysis -- particularly at the odni level -- analytic transformation, analytic integrity, acquisition reform, counterintelligence, which is big on my agenda -- and information sharing, of course. these important concepts apply to foreign intelligence collected within the u.s., just as they do on intelligence collected outside our borders. let me assure you that progress is being made in this total context of intelligence reform. we're neve