tom coburn mentioned something about the phone calls coming to the office.e phone calls. i haven't heard such vile obscene language. i am not saying ted cruise is responsible, but he tapped into a dark strain here in the american committal psyche here. the most obscene subject you can imagine and often people say they support the constitution. say that. i would say the majority of supporters are good people. i had good republicans come up to me and say defund it. that's all you have to do. >> that's horrible. >> sam? >> i'm switching back to the debt limit. the house vote will include a one-year delay in implementation. $120 million cuts and the construction of keystone pipeline and more offshore drilling and federal regulations on grown house gasses and the possibility of a late term abortion. why not include language invalidating that and secondly, is this not an unreasonable opening bid for an author on something everyone agrees needs to be raised. >> i hadn't thought about the 2012 election. >> that's included. >> no problem. very seriously, this is all

. >> how did we get to the point where peter king and tom coburn sound like pod rmoderate republ. >> it's about a civil war in the republican party and the people like ted cruz and people, as you said, amazingly in a way like tom coburn, and people who see what the government has to do here in moving forward on some of these budget arguments. >> and nobody has a more conservative rating than tom coburn. >> he's one of the most conservative guys in the federal government and the the people on the right are trying to portray him as a rhino. it's absurd. >> we're in a very strange spot for the republican party and a real identity crisis and it's something that the republican party was fighting with and struggling with in the primaries last year with the presidential election and clearly, it will be a big factor in 2016. >> nick christoph wrote about this today ski want to read a bit about his column. the right wing echo chamber breeds extremism, intimidates republican moderates and misleads people into thinking that their world view is broadly shared. that's the information bubble that

i for one am very glad the conservative movement from tom coburn. is he a rhino?f he is, i want to be one. krauthammer? count me in that group. scott walker, paul ryan? these people locked themselves into a little, little room. it's a room that the people jammed inside that room, they don't carry majorities, not in presidential campaigns, not in senate campaigns, not in congressional campaigns. mika, this is an important moment for the republican party and the conservative movement. this is a moment when the party and the movement decided, hey, you know what? we'll be responsible and we're going to engage in tactics that have a chance of working, helping the american people, and winning presidential elections. i, for one, very happy. >> here is what the "wall street journal" editorial board writes. the cruz campaign against obamacare, when mr. cruz demands that house republicans hold firm, he means they should keep trying to defund obamacare even if it results in a shutdown that president president obama will blame on republican uhs. it's nice of him to volunteer

now i guess they are saying that this was never possible after all. >> no. >> scott walker, tom coburnr good conservatives have been saying for a long time. >> they were saying that? >> they get the money and they ran the 30-second ads and they got the mailing list and they got the entire house republican caucus angry at them. >> aren't they being the surrender monkeys if they say that? >> i'm sure ted cruz would tell you it's only other people that don't shut down the government to defund obama care. he is not for some reason. >> okay. >> i love what bob corker said. bob corker said i may not have gone to harvard, but i can camp. ted cruz went to harvard. >> the backlash. >> wait a second. the ivy league doesn't teach math. how can a poor country boy like myself or bob corker, a poor country guy like us from tennessee from the foothills know how to count to 51, but a harvard and princeton guy didn't? don't they teach math at harvard anymore? >> you can choose to take it. maybe he elected for it. the backlash from their own party was so trong is they reversed course and now the fact th

and what i am saying directly is what other people like tom coburn are saying politely.olicy which is not intellectually honest. selling a false bill of goods to the american people. using that joe over the sum r to put pressure on solid conservative republicans in their districts if they didn't support defunding they were rhinos not real conservatives, not real republicans. >> so, there is a republican house member going on tv saying a republican senator is a fraud. >> yeah, that's very significant because ted cruz was lying this week. and it's one thing to say, we want to have more intense opposition to obama care. they could try to do that. it is the law of the land. if they said anything to the president. he could veto it. there are rules, precedents here that are going to restrict them from having the progress. then when you have their members go out and say, basically, i am performing a filibuster which he was not doing. a vote for cloture is vote for obama care. ted cruz lied repeatedly to his are de supporters. that tells us a tremendous amount about him as a pol

senator tom coburn as republican as they get and someone he knows. to call a republican senator and try. >> i agree about the senate republicans. about 20 of them voted with the democrats last week. they are as unhappy as the rest of us are and you see them on the sound bytes. they confronted it. >> the notion that these are human beings. the notion that president obama couldn't try to lead his way out of this is ridiculous. he's the president of the united states. >> it's clear that the model for the next year and a half, you make deals with senate republicans and put pressure on them to say here's a bipartisan senate deal, you will have to do something. that puts more pressure than they have right now. >> how many people does ted cruz represent. >> he speaks for the passions of many, many people. i can't tell you how many, but he has -- i would predict he will shoot to the top of every poll of republicans in all the early primaries. i have been giving them hope that they will stand up to this white house. he has a lot of supporters. they are for ve

i bet you could go out, talk to senator mccaskill, and senator tom coburn, you know, we're drowning in ways in this city. >> you know, any government budget there is a lot of waste and inefficiency. but as you mentioned, we have had some of my colleagues, senator coburn and mccaskill -- >> but where do you get it? i mean it is staggering, these numbers, why doesn't somebody actually go after it and get that money and stop it? >> well, i think you have got to through the budget process. you have to make the hard decisions. obviously, we haven't passed a budget for what, five years now in the congress? the house of representatives has passed a budget. they passed a budget that is balanced, making hard decisions about spending and debt. but we can't get one through the senate and you have a president who i think is very much an advocate of liberal tax and spend policies. but you have to make those hard decisions. and so far there has not been the political will to do that. but one other point, you talked about reducing in spending, the conservatives believe we ought to do it. democrats wa

you have tom coburn, and tom coburn is no squish. >> strict conservative. >> this is strategic suicide. >> keep in mind, there is a general strategy that is a political strategy by the party officials to move this legislation or to block legislation, and then there is the personal strategy which tends to fall a little bit more into the ted cruz camp, which puts him in the position, he's the driver, he's the main focus of the debate. it's not the issue, it's not the substance of the argument. it is what the man himself is all about. and so, i think what ted needs to do at this point, you got our attention. now back off. and begin to bring the leadership around to a different kind of solution -- >> but there's no -- that's the thing -- >> there's nobody doing that, right. >> i don't think he understands. obviously, everyone says what a smart guy he's been and i actually have seen him argue in the supreme court, i was blown away by how good he was, but he doesn't seem to understand the procedure at play here. like, the things he was telling chris wallace in the interview this sunday didn'

other high-profile republicans, like senator rand paul of kentucky, and senator tom coburn of oklahoma, are saying the g.o.p. just done have the ability to stop or defund obamacare. >> we heard a lot of tough talk going into the weekend, and of course we heard some fresh reaction. what are the president and his allies saying about the measure to defund the healthcare law. >> they say the republicans want to deny health care coverage to millions of people. the president him saying the g.o.p. defund egg effort, quote, it is not going to happen. this in spite of polls showing the majority of american people do oppose obamacare. >> i'm not surprised there's confusion. these guys have one running around the country, demagoguing, scare mongering on this issue. they're not afraid it's going to be unsuccessful. they're afraid it's going to be successful. >> u.s. senate expected to act sometime this week. harris and. >> steve, thank you. >> iran's new president, changed his tune a bit. now he is talking tough. remember last week's term offensive and how nice he was and we'll meet with you and b

it's not possible. >> tom coburn, is that who ted cruz and the poem call the surrender monkey?ing with one another dragging it out here. i think this points to in addition to the tactical fight that nicole pointed to is a real generational and cultural shift where you have younger lawmakers elected in the tea party of 2010 saying we were e et cetera welled because we promised not to surrender and compromise. that's what they were doing. they talk to voters and the voters say do not give in. we don't like this law and you better carry out what we elected you to do. we have an older jepration of lawmaker who is i had a long conversation with bob bennett, the former senator from utah. i think he summed up the frustrations when he said these people, this nower generation lives in a world of experience and it's hard to reason with them. >> briefly what happens about days from now? the house bill goes to the senate. harry reid will strip out the defunding language and it goes back to the house. what is the house left with? at that point with only a couple days or hours left with an a

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the one that i supported the most was one that tom coburn and richard burt pullet out there. it was a very good plan, cost nowhere near the money that obam aa care is going to cost, and also didn't have they hid is not taxes. some of them are over, but there's a lot of hidden taxes in there that we agreed ought to be repealed. the medical device tax, a lot of piano people don't understand on home sales, there will ultimately be a tax on there to pay for obama care. part of the student loan money was to pay for part of health care, so there's just an awful love the hidden taxes out there that people are all of a sudden going to realize they have to pay to fund this monster bill. >> why should we have an exercise where people are literally ready to shut the government down and default on our full faith and credit of the united states to relitigate an issue we should be debating outside of the crisis. >>> we're going to talk about that more. ted cruz just wasted the last day, which means republicans are getting closer to a huge problem. senator chambliss, i want to know what you

that's something senator tom coburn talked to me about on friday. he said republicans are going to hold like hotcakes once the government shuts down. but i think that there is some risk for democrats. senate majority leader harry reid has sort of refused, he's drawn a line in the sand, he's refused to budge at all on this. the thinking goes that, this is a short-term spending deal, it really only funds the government for a month and a half, maybe two months, depending where they decide to set the date. if they're not going to stand and fight how are they going to handle a larger conversation like the debt ceiling? but i think that at this point there are definitely voices who are saying, you know, democrats are going to need to be cautious too. because every shutdown is different. and at this point, trust in government is so low. frankly, congress' ratings are so low that it's not out of the realm of possibility -- >> can't get any lower. >> democrats could take some blame, yes. but they're certainly working very hard to push them as low as possible

. >> we turn now to oklahoma republican senator tom coburn, he is in musculo dwi this morning and senator before we get to this whole business about the threat to shut down the goj .. you are the ranking republican on the senate homeland security committee. do you have any information for us on this awful thing that has unfolded this morning in nairobi? >> well, i don't have any specifics, bob, beyond what is in the press, other than this is another indication that soft targets is where al qaeda is going, and they are not on the decline, they are on the rise, as you can see from nairobi. >> senator, what is your message to house republicans this morning who passed this budget that we can't continue government operations and funding the rest of the government unless we defund obamacare? >> well, i think it is a great attempt to raise the issue of some of the weaknesses and the problems with obamacare, but it is not -- it is not a tactic that we can actually carry out and be successful, and i am sure that the senate is going to move that bill forward, you know, the ironic thing, bob, is tha

there is a report prepared for tom coburn that made the point it doesn't stop it substantially.unds have been no small part, already appropriatated or spent. the effort to defund obamacare would need to happen legislatively. obviously, that's not going to happen. >> so it's this frenzy chris matthews is talking about. it's a frenzy, it's not -- >> well, right. what i have not understood, it's sort of like, okay, what if you get what you want? the reason this felt simply just an attempt to build a fundraising list and build a friend and all that stuff is they don't have this, okay, they don't talk about the replaced portion of it. i have to say, when you actually look at this. i know, you talk to the republicans, they say they don't like this law, they don't like this law. okay. let's say you get your wish and repeal it. you are not going to see another attempt to work with in this system of the insurance companies and within the system of basically employer-based health care. the only other thing that's going to happen is medicare for all or medicare for most. you know, ultimate

. >> that is why a lot of republicans, there already no liberals like tom coburn of oklahoma. he is one of the fiscally conservatives on capitol hill. he says, look, elections have consequences. we only have the house ofs are. we don't have a full branch of government. what are we going to do about it? i agree with both the speaker and david what ted cruz has done is absolutely energized the conservative base and no question that was what this was about. to get people pushing the dial, pushing people like peter king who the speaker is right, he did ends up begrudgingly voting for this, in order to do this. but that really has caused a very deep risk within the republican party, which is why leaders here wanted ted cruz to stop, did not want him to do this. because, yes, people are talking about obamacare and some of the substance, but people are also talking about the republican party. >> piers morgan asked about the shutdown in the mid-'90s and his relationship with you. >> we work it out when he was trying to run me out of town when we were working together. i now it was a e

oklahoma's tom coburn. >> i think it's a great attempt to raise the issue of some of the weaknesses and the problems with obama care. but it's not a tactic that we can actually carry out and be successful. >> reporter: if the house and senate are unable to reach an agreement by october 1st, millions of federal workers deemed nonessential will be furloughed with no guarantee they'll get back pay when the government reopens. social security checks and veterans benefits would go out but possibly late since fewer workers will be available to process the payments. national parks and museums would be closed. the senate vote is expected to take place later this week. >>> apple announces record breaking sales. they've nearly doubled the 5 million iphones apple sold during the first three days of the iphone five when it was on sale last year. >>> time now for a quick look at some of the stories you will find tomorrow on the baltimore sun. a preview of the city's second largest convention of the year natural products expo east which opens on thursday. >>> and a look ahead to what we're lookly to

it seems at this point as we are hearing from peter king and tom coburn, it's not clear whether or not the entire party has the stomach for this. do they? >> the party does not have the stomach for it, erica. look. we have seen all week a battle within the republican party. this is not a fight right now between democrats and republicans. this is a fight within the republican party that they are trying to resolve. the speaker is trying to head off these members of his caucus who are pushing toward the shutdown that would occur if we don't get a deal on monday night. >> do they have that caucus? i bring up again senator tom coburn because he was in the house in the '90s when there was a government shutdown looming again. this is a quote here. you do not take a hostage you are not going to for sure shoot. we will not for sure shoot this hostage. in turn, could republicans be shooting themselves in the foot? >> there's no question about it. the entire republican leadership knows that. they have been trying to head off this strategy for weeks and have been unsuccessful because of the zeal o

lungren republican senators jon kyl now heritage foundation president and then senator jim de mint tom coburn john ensign and bob corker were also in tents that meeting was also attended by republican propaganda group frank luntz and by former speaker of the house and current c.n.n. pardon that newt gingrich who told us about that meeting on this program during the dinner the republican conspirators vowed to bring congress to a standstill regardless of how bad the congressional inaction would hurt the already hurting american economy and people in essence they pledged to each other to obstruct filibuster and block any legislation that might improve the economy and make president obama look good congressman pete sessions told the national journal in march of two thousand and nine that the republican sabotage plan hatched at the caucus room restaurant would borrow up age from the tactics of taliban terrorists he said that taliban insurgency we understand perhaps a little bit more now because of the taliban insurgency is the way they went about systematically understanding how to disrupt and cha

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right now the story even somebody like tom coburn his voice is not prevailing in the republican partyat this point. >> well, there is a new party, there is the cruzicans. as we were saying, they come from safe districts. there was a great piece that broke down the dem gravgs they represent 18% of the country and they can destroy the global economy when we get to the debt ceiling. there are no repercussions. you see them again and again on our network and others saying i was elected to represent my district and this is what my district wants and there is no sense of the greater good of the party or the country. >> a statesmanship. it's one thing to campaign. you come from your little district. but at some point the feeds the wants of your district have to give way to the needs of the country and the folks who come into congress in 2010 lack that latter part. they don't care it seems about the greater good of the country. when we're staring at a government shutdown, which is something -- you shut down the government five day, you pass a bill, a law, retroactive pay. the thing comes up.

yesterday tom coburn sat in on one of the shows.rol and stretch it out a little. >> how much do you think they can stretch it out? >> if they use all their procedural devices at their disposal, until sunday, but not later. >> it may be inevitable that there is just not enough time. that gets us to the 29th. in essence, your jamming whether it's you guys, the senate leadership jamming the house or ted cruz, you are arguably jamming boehner here because he's only got about 24 hours to turn something around. >> i would say two things about that. first, we don't want to jam anybody. that's up to cruz. second, they are obviously going to be negotiations going on while this is happening. everyone is going to know what's happening and the out come. you don't have to wait until the day the final bill passes the senate to start negotiating. >> do you expect what the house sends back and i know in washington speak you guys call it ping pong. do you expect what the house sends back is something that the senate will ultimately be able to suppor

i had great respect when working in the senate for tom coburn. it was the same thing.for the principles which we fought for, which he was elected to do. i had great respect for him. he stood and he was consistent. the one thing that's hard in dealing with members in the senate is they would switch when it was convenient. i applaud him for sticking to his principles. but he didn't build consensus. >> he did. >> they wouldn't be there. for me, katie, as a registered conservative in new york this is a tipping point for me. if republicans don't stand here against this massive failed model they put together that's too expensive that will result in people not getting full-time jobs, that will cost an astronomical amount of money i don't see a difference between them and the democrat thes. i'm finished with them. >> this is one of the only times in history that the republicans actually have public opinion completely on their side. they have allies in every single sector whether it's the unions, the health care system, whether it's with teachers, with regular every day america

. >> it's become, in the words of tom coburn, a very conservative senator from oklahoma.manent feudal culture of hangers on of elected officials. of professional self-perpetuating careerist politician, media, usual suspects. these are the people who ru your country or think they do. lou: who run the country. who are an important part of the process of governance itself. whether it berom the fourth estate. our chief white house correspondent, ed henry prominently featured. >> i don't think ed likes me these days. lou: he is sincere. >> i said as much. i will believe him. ed' a good guy. lou: he is a great guy. tammy haddad, i hav known tammy alst 30 years. >> she is part of the furniture. lou: she has created, sse has created herself and created a role which you desibed so beautifully in the book. >> she has made washington work for her. and there have been people like her for decades. they have been party hostesses or showee runners are whatever u want to call her. she has built a very successful business getting media companies to pay her a lot of money to do whatever it

. >> tom coburn is not -- >> show me where you get 67 votes. >> there's a math problem. >> i didn't goor princeton but you did. >> princeton, ew. >> i won't study with anyone who didn't go to harvard, yale or princeton. >> this is a fight to get the washington establishment to listen to the people. >> what a snob. >> the sexiest thing in the entire world is being really smart and being thoughtful and being generous. >> trust me i hope senator cruz's oratory convinces five democratic senators to vote with us. >> i was appalled by the analogy to world war ii and hitler. >> neville chamberlain who told the british people except the nazis. >> was way out of line y. >> when he read green eggs and ham, i don't know if he read it. >> you go about a book about a stubborn jerk who decides he hates something before he tries it. when he gets a taste he has to admit this is pretty [ bleep ] good. >> let's get right to our panel joining us is msnbc contributor jimmy williams. replane dent in bow tie and hogan kidly resplendent in gingham and a silver tie. hogan, you're a republican. i have a simple

my bellwether on this is senator tom coburn, who was hassled at hess town hall meeting. in august go to town hall meetings. he is a roommate of senator mike lee in the famous house on capitol hill, and he had to tell his constituents and try to explain why he didn't sign the letter and why you cannot defund obama care. republicans created this monster among their constituents saying you can, but coburn is trying to explain and to his roommate mike lee, the difference between mandatory and discretionary funding. >> exactly. also how democracy works. it amazes me -- this rally is taking place right now. we're dealing -- there is ted cruz, potentially a 2016 nominee. we're talking about the international community coming together to decide what to do about a very serious situation in the middle east that engages a number of actors regionally and partners and allies in the west. and the republicans, the conservative base of the republican party is still obsessed with obama care. enrollment begins october 1st. is this the last gasp. >> you've got to have some sympathy for the

that's why you played the segment a lot of republicans there are no liberals like tom tom coburn of oklahomaf the most fuiscally conservative on capitol hill. what are we going to do about it? i do absolutely agree with the speaker and david that what ted cruz has done is absolutely energized the conservative base and that no question that was what this was about. to get people pushing the dial and pushing people like peter king who speaker is right he did end up voting for this in order to do. that really has caused a very deep rift within the republican party which is why leaders here wanted ted cruz to stop and didn't want him to do this because, yes, people are talking about obama care. and some of the substance but people are also talking about the very big differences within the republican party and that's not good for them they think. >> newt, piers morgan interviewed president clinton earlier today and asked about the government shutdowns in the mid '90s and relationship with you during that period. i want to play for our viewers what he said. >> we worked it out when he was trying t