for example, tony ornato in particular was an agent who worked for the secret service, who then wenttrump administration official, and work directly for the president in a official capacity. this was something that was a completely unprecedented. i think it raised a lot of questions, and alarms about whether or not he was able to do his job of protecting the president while also serving in a political role, and trying to appease the former president. the same with bobby angle, a lot of these relationships had been scrutinized as these new details about the secret services actions on the day of january 6th. i wouldn't be surprised if tomorrow, we do see some potential communications that go beyond tony ornato and bobby engle, of people in the service who may have been a little bit more sympathetic to the insurrectionists then we would like for people who serve in the federal government to be. >> jacqueline, where do things stand with tony ornato testifying behind closed doors with the committee? there is so much confusion about what exactly happened on january 6th, between the secret

>> well, tony ornato is a fascinating character and a unicorn in this universe.in the obama white house, he was key on the president's detail in the trump administration and the president made him deputy chief of staff. we've never seen a secret service agent be pulled into the political staff of the white house before. the secret service obviously didn't like it and yet couldn't say no. but tony ornato is the person who was supposedly in the limo that -- >> cassidy hutchinson gave us the testimony. >> there was a big fight and trump tried to grab the steering wheel and i think they want to ask him about threat testimony which zdiffers from her about what happened in the car and i think they'll circle back to that. i think if tony ornato had live to live over again, he would never make a transition from the secret service to the political staff because it is hard to come back and then had to retire and so on. >> we'll see what they do here. jon miller, great to have you on set. thank you. >> thanks. >>> well not backing town, china's president renouncing the use

a few weeks later, tony ornato quit the secret service as well. and then there is the unsettling question the still hangs over january six when it comes to the secret service, and vice president mike pence. the vice president told ahead of his detail that day, i'm not getting in that car when the secret service try to get him into a vehicle. some members of the january 6th -- that's because pence had reason to worry, worry that the secret service was trying to ferry him away from the capitol, and not just for his safety. jamie raskin called pence's refusal, he called that six of the most chilling words in american history. and now, today, we have this. an ongoing seditious conspiracy trial, the far-right paramilitary group, the oath keepers, for their roles in the attack on the capitol today, a former member of that group testified that its leader claimed to have a contact in the secret service. and he said that months before the january 6th attack you overheard oath keepers leader stewart rhodes having a phone conversation with someone road said

i know that tony ornato is a person of great interest here, and we know that tony ornato was in contactary six with keith kellogg, who is the head of vice president pence's national security detail. keith kellogg was the one that pushback on tony ornato, wanting to have vice president pence removed from the capitol. do you think tony ornato may have been doing the bidding of the president when he was requesting for the vice president to be removed? >> i don't have enough information to opine about that important question that you just post. i'll just say, i think i said this before, that the sixth most chilling words that have surfaced in this investigation, to my mind were, i am not getting in that car, and they might be six of the most chilling words ever to have appeared in a congressional investigation. i believe this is not a verbatim quote, but i believe that the vice president said something to the effect of well, you're not the one driving the car. look i think that was a very dicey moment for american democracy, and on that day, and i speak only to that day alone, vice presiden

as you may recall, cassidy hutchinson testifying that tony ornato, who was at the head of trump's securityl told her the story about a heated exchange between trump and his secret service on january 6 where he demanded to go to the capitol and then tried to lunge toward the steering wheel. but pete aguilar was asked about this early today and he didn't quite buy that story. >> i think they were less than truthful and i think that they should come in and talk to the committee again. we said in the hearing yesterday that we would recall a number of witnesses. i think i'll leave it at that. but i'll say what i've said before, which is that those two individuals either have the foggiest of memories, or they were less than truthful. >> reporter: now, pete aguilar was referencing tony ornato's denial of that account that he told had cassidy hutchinson. so they're going to bring in any new information likely included in the final report. and other big question looming over economy is whether they will issue criminal referrals for donald trump or anyone in his inner circle. that is something that

congresswoman zoe lofgren saying he will ask tony ornato, robert engel, and others to testify again.position in the very near nutrfuture to call th witnesses from the secret service back in for additional questions. >> now we have news tonight from a house oversight investigation. the committee is saying that the trump organization, wolf, charged the u.s. secret service k exorbitant rates to protect the family. some nights, they charged rates as high as $1185. they pointed to one instance where they charged the u.s. secret service $1160 per evening at the trump hotel in d.c. to protect eric trump, one of the president's sons, while he was promoting a golf tournament. in a statement, eric trump said any of the resources were provided at their request. he said these rooms were provided at cost, heavily discounted or free. >> let's get more on this. joining us now, one of two republicans, congressman, thank you so much for joining us. i'm going the get to the latest on the select committee, but first, let me get your reaction from the news from sarah that former president trump's compan

anthony ornato, tony ornato, he is ruled both as a secret service agent, and as a member of trump's whitempelled to testify before the committee again? >> again, i cannot get into the specifics of individual witnesses, but i will tell you, generally speaking, that a number of the actions undertaken by the secret service have raised serious suspicions on the part of different members of the committee. and we intend to get to the bottom of that. that is a matter of utmost gravity. the secret service demands complete professionalism, and not political loyalty to a particular individual. it is to operate as a professional office, within the federal government of the united states, and not as a praetorian guard and surrounding this or that political figure. >> congressman raskin, thank you for letting me ask you a lot of questions that you cannot dive all the answers to. we sincerely appreciate your time and thoughts this evening. >> we are all looking for the answers. thanks for having me. >> we certainly are. we have much more ahead tonight, as we wait to see if trump will comply with the ja

tonight the january 6th committee has its sights set on the secret service with plans to interview tony ornatored agency official whose name was featured prominently during former white house aide cassidy hutchinson's testimony earlier this year. >> the president said something to the effect of, i'm the f-ing president. take me up to the capitol now. >> reporter: hutchinson said ornato told her of an episode on january 6th, 2021, inside trump's suburban, in which the former president lunged at his lead secret service agent, robert engle, urging to be driven to the capitol as the rioters arrived there. >> the president reached up towards the front of the vehicle to grab at the steering wheel. mr. engel grabbed his arm and said, sir, you need to take your hand off the steering wheel. mr. trump then used his free hand to lunge towards bobby engel. >> reporter: engel has been called to testify, as has the unnamed driver of the presidential vehicle. meanwhile, tomorrow marks one week until the deadline for the former president to respond to the committee's subpoena for documents. one committee memb

tonight, the january 6 committee has its sights set on the secret service, with plans to interview tony ornato, the now-retired agency offhutchion's testimony r this year. >> he said something to the effect, i'm the f'ing pre of an e the suburb an when he lunged at a secret service agent. >> the president reached up toward the front of the vehicle to grab at the steering wheel. mr. engel grabbed his arm, said, circ you need to take your hand off the steering wheel." mr. trump then used his free hand to lunge towards bobby engel. >> reporter: engel has been called to testify, as has the unnamed driver of the presidential vehicle. tomorrow marks one week until the deadline for the former president to respond to the committee's subpoena for documents. one committee member tells cbs news there is still no firm indication if trump will comply. >> o'donnell: scott, why are they bringing them back? >> reporter: they only have weeks left of the committee, but they got a voluminous set of secret service records. it's not clear if they talked about the incident in the vehicle involving for commwa to kno

tonight, the january 6 committee has its sights set on the secret service, with plans to interview tony ornatonow-retired agency official whose name was featured prominently during former white house aide cassidy hutchinson's testimony earlier this year. >> the president said something to the effect of, "i'm the f'ing president. take me to the capitol now." >> reporter: hutchinson said ornato told her of an episode january 6, 2021, inside trump's suburban, in which the former president lunged at his lead secret service agent, robert engel, urging to be driven to the capitol as the rioters arrived there. >> the president reached up towards the front of the vehicle to grab at the steering wheel. mr. engel grabbed his arm, said, "sir, you need to take your hand off the steering wheel." mr. trump then used his free hand to lunge towards bobby engel. >> reporter: engel has been called to testify, as has the unnamed driver of the presidential vehicle. meanwhile, tomorrow marks one week until the deadline for the former president to respond to the committee's subpoena for documents. one committee mem

lofgren, one of the members of the committee and we heard her say that she wants to hear more from tony ornatoenior member of the secret service and was inside the white house. according to his legal team, he already talked to the committee a couple of times but they believe he has more information and they are basing this on additional information that has come in in the last few months, from the secret service and from the communications they've obtained. they want to know more about trump's movements and they want to know about some communications back-and-forth inside the secret service, leading up to january 6th and on that day. >> collecting information all the time. evan perez, thank you. >>> we have the chief law enforcement and intelligence analyst, john miller and analyst with legal analyst, carrie cordeiro. the new secret service documents, they prompted you to write an important piece for cnn.com over your explored whether january 6 was a failure of intelligence or a political failure. explain what you think. >> reporter: there is a few things that could be game changes that didn't

weeks, we know that the committee's previously said it intends to call back two key witnesses, tony ornatoe trump's lead secret service agent on the day of the attack robert engle but in addition we're told the following other witnesses are under consideration, the new secret service director, anthony, the secret service's chief of communications, he was just appointed in march and was not at the agency at the time of the attack but he has handled key responses to the committee, also timothy, the head of former vice president mike pence's detail on january 6th and finally the driver of former president donald trump's suv in the motorcade, his never has never been publicly disclosed, our understanding is that committee has a lot of questions for these potential witnesses including what the secret service knew about those threats to vice president mike pence and lawmakers ahead of the attack, you may remember in the october 13th hearing the committee had found out that the secret service received an alert of online threats, made before the attack against then-vice president pence including t

. >> who specifically -- so you said tony ornato. who else? >> well, there was also mr. angle and there may be a few others. i don't want to mention all of their names on television. but we want to make sure that we're getting the straight stories. some of the testimony received doesn't seem to align with some of the documents. so we have a need to understand that better from them. >> in what way? >> well, i'm not going to go through the interview on tv, but, for example -- >> go ahead -- >> there was a representation made publicly as well as in the interviews that there was no monitoring of social media. that we know now was not correct. you know, certainly downplaying the knowledge of violence, that was -- they knew well in advance and certainly by the 5th of january what they were facing. nevertheless, they sent the vice president up to the capitol hill with a fairly small group of people to protect them into what was -- should have obviously been foreseen as a potentially very dangerous situation. >> what about the situation that cassidy hutchinson has testified to a

zoe lofgren saying they will ask secret service assistant director tony ornato, robert engle and othersre in a position in the near future to call the witnesses from the secret service back in for a few additional questions. >> reporter: now ornato has already met with the committee on two prior occasions but it is clear that the committee has more questions for him. the committee mandate expires at the term. so they have a limited time frame to complete it. >> sara murray, thank you so much. >>> also in our politics lead, new documents show that the trump organization charged then president trump's secret service detail exorbitant room rates for trips to trump properties. this following an investigation by the house oversight committee. the committee said on one objection, november of 2017, the secret service was charged a rate of $1,185 per room per night. when donald trump jr. stayed at the trump international hotel in d.c., that rate is nearly six times the allowable per diem rate for traveling government employees. eric trump denies the finding and insists the rooms were offered fo

we have these anonymous sources saying, that is being disputed in the secret service, tony ornato, andll all testify. we said great, come in, never went to, it never came in. they didn't come into talk to us. there was a lot of inconsistencies that, we're going to continue to investigate, from things that people have said, to evidence that we have gotten. that will either be explored in the future or, definitely, in the report. >> a friend of mine, steve, says that we, the committee, and also the news media, are describing this wrong. we shouldn't be calling the attack on democracy, we should be calling it an attack on the united states. because, his argument is, truly, you attacked the capital, you attack the democratic process, you are attacking the united states. if it was anyone else, other than trump supporters, maybe we would call it that. >> you are right. imagine if this was isis, even if they did the exact same thing, it would be an attack on the united states. whether they are citizens, or not. >> i can see it both ways. democracy is important to defend right now. one thing i

. >> we only have ape few moments left but i want to ask you about tony ornato and the then secret service lead agent robert engle. they were some who seemed to downplay or deny some of these stories. do you think that they lied? >> i think they were less than truthful. and i think that they should come in and talk to the economy again. we said we would recall a number of witnesses. i think i'll leave it at that. >> will they be among them that you'll be calling. >> those two individuals have the foggiest of memories or less tan truthful. but time and time again the witnesses and the evidence contradict their foggy memories. so i think they should be given an opportunity to come back and tack to us. >> and do you have an expectation there will be another hearing and when do you think this report will finally come out? >> well, the report will come out before the end of the year. i'm not going to get into specifics. and this is the last of the planned hearings. i think for a little bit, for a few weeks. however, some things could change as committee always maintains the ability to have hear

charlie, the committee is asking for trump's communications with some of his closest cronies, with tony ornato secret service guys, and for records of his legal fees. they want to know who is paying them. what else are they looking for? >> well, what do they really, really want is, of course, for trump himself show up and talk about that. but they're looking for all kinds of records about all these things we've been talking about, the fake electors scheme in various states, the efforts to reach out to groups to get them to come on january 6th. but they know that the biggest spectacle would be to actually confront trump and question him, and grill him, and see what he has to say. interestingly, it has been reported by publications and others that trump has told he could do it, but only on the condition that you can do it live. the committee could not end it out what he says, and it would be a spectacle. he could maybe take over and make it the trump show. this is not a subpoena for him to show up and testify live before a hearing. it is a subpoena for him to shop for a deposition that would be

they are looking for any communications with the united states secret service, they name tony ornatoindividually named and they ask for anything regarding paying the legal fees for any such witnesses, finding, offering, or discussing employment for any such witnesses and any conversations with ornato and the secret service. you're talking about a drug kingpin. it sounds like they are maybe alleging that he was tampering with witnesses. >> that's the insinuation. it's tough toread this any other way. whether they have strong reason to believe that or not is an open question since they haven't really told us what they have. i think one thing that we can be sure of is that if there is any response to this subpoena from trump, which is certainly a question that's up in the air, there will be a privilege law that will be yea long. he will claim executive privilege, he will claim attorney/client privilege. he will fight like crazy to resist turning this information over if he has it. >> and one more thing they name the proud boys and the oath keepers. we know there are seditious conspiracy

. >>> the january 6th committee plans to ask former senior secret service official tony ornato to testify its investigation. he served as a top aide in the trump white house. the panel beliefs he could provide valuable information about events leading up to and on january 6th. here is what zoe lofgren told cnn sunday. >> we have a lot of questions, but we wanted to get through all the documentary evidence that we have now been provided, over a million documents. so it took a lot of time. to go through that. we have successfully gone through it. now we're in a position in the very near future to call the witnesses from the secret service back in for a few additional questions. >> it is not clear if ornato will speak to those claims. remember by cassidy hutchenson, she testified he told her about trump lashing out and lunging at a member of his protective detail, demanding to be taken to the capitol on january 6th. >>> where have all the snow crabs gone? billions of the krugsations have disappeared from the waters around alaska causing the alaskan snow crab harvest to be cancelled for the f

my understanding is tony ornato refused to come forward and answer questions in an open hearing even> i am hopeful we will see corroboration of that because as someone who worked firsthand with cassidy and tony, i can attest to the fact they had a very close relationship at the white house. and they were friendly with each other so it's not unsurprising to me that tony would share a story like that with cassidy and then on top of that i think the secret service text messages being deleted kind of lends credence to cassidy's testimony that maybe there was some sort of cover-up going on. i don't think you can delete text messages with one push of a button. it's not something you can do easily, i am relieved we will get some form of electronic communications in the form of emails and things of that nature from secret service that the committee will unveil today and hopefully that will shed light on what the secret service knew was happening. >> alyssa? >> cassidy's testimony has been corroborated through and through. she was defamed. she was maligned after speaking out in virtually ever

pass that information along to tony ornato, who worked for mark meadows and the chief of staff's officed from the secret service make clear that the crowd outside the magnetometer's were armed and the agents knew it. take a look at what they were seeing in the hearing on the ground. one report from the rally site at 7:58 am said, some members of the crowd are wearing ballistic helmets, body armor, carrying a radio equipment and military grade backpacks. another from 9:30 am said, that there were possibly oh c-spray, meaning pepper spray, and or plastic riot shields. at 11:23 am, agents also reported possible armed individuals. one with a glock, one with a rifle. over the next hour, agents reported possible man with a gun report, confirmed pistol on hip located in a tree, and one detained at 14th and high street northwest, individual had an assault rifle on his person. minutes before president trump began his speech, members of the federal protective service, and agency tasked with protecting federal buildings, were alerted about an arrest of a protester with a gun on his waist. during t

tony ornato had communicated these threats prior to january 6th so there was not only information in realtime throughout the course of the day burr also ahead of time is at eke seek was doing their job. >> i want to pick up a point in what to expect in terms of a closing argument on the snuksist in chief. >> those who invaded our capitol and battled law enforcement for hours were motivated. president trump said that the election was stolen and that he was the rightful president. president trump summoned the mob, sent the mob and lit the flame of this attack. the strategy to blame what his advisers called the craze for what donald trump did. this of course is nonsense. president trump is a 76-year-old man. he is not an impressionable child. donald trump made a purposeful choice to violate his oath of office. there is no way to excuse that behavior. it's indefensible. >> donna edwards, what are you looking for snowstorm. >> i expect -- keep in mind, most americans, many watched the hearings previously but haven't been following all this in as much detail as we are, and so i think it's