army intelligence officer tony shaffer. and david rivkin and lee casey both from baker and hostetler. this is 90 minutes. >> good day. today, we are sponsoring and, through the study of responsive law, the third on a study on a tableau. these are significant subjects that are not often discussed in political, a lot toro, or mass media circles. the subject today is presidents bush and obama, war crimes or lawful wars? there are systemic forms of censorship. they often serve as powerbrokers. in our country, they are into the cold to the first expression of the first amendment. if the taboos are broken, we can then discuss them. then we can address them straight forward. fair labor standards, the rights of commerce, and many others throughout history. then we are able to discuss and debate. today, we have many taboos in our country. the legal profession itself. it has turned its back, in my judgment, on a lot of taboos about the rule of law. in our debate, we have some of the most of knowledge in this field, which i will intro

change in culture they're moving from intelligence gathering to becoming more of a killing machine tony shaffer will join us for that and we're going have all that and more peter night including a dozen of happy arbiters take a look at the mainstream media has decided. all right so the media is still crying over the fact of the supercommittee failed to reach an agreement even though everybody knew it was going to end up that way and rather than talk about the overall dysfunction of our system where everybody chooses to kick the can down the road until the next elections that they never ever ever have to be held liable for any decisions they might make well they want to get down to the bottom of whose fault this really is they want to figure out why republicans refuse to raise taxes and what revenues on the table and so that russert was filling in for chuck todd on m.s.n. we see this morning with the hard hitting question with some of them to me and listen to his response and you know if that's the vision we're going to have of a european style really very large government then you need bigger t

i am going to now go to colonel tony shaffer. you have a unique position on this panel as someone who has been -- i should say, it's on the ground. as i am sure you're probably aware, after world war ii, this country prosecuted a japanese officer who was accused of an incident in which a u.s. citizen was "tied to a stretcher with his feet in the air and his head towards the floor, water board over his face, caused him to gasp for air until he agreed to talk." he received 50 years of hard labor for that. do you see any distinction between our case against this japanese officer and the cases that you read about involving the united states program? >> no, frankly, if mr. rivkin would consent and collect evidence ties, we could go to the bedroom downstairs and set up our own little waterand boarding thing is to test it out. i do not think it was just a few drops of water. not to be over dramatic, no, i do not think there's any legality within the context of the lock-land warfare. i have to go out and do things, remember. i -- there w

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tony shaffer, what about the killing of osama bin laden?was the decision to kill him rather than capturing him, whoever made it, a war crime and by the way who do you think made it? what is the state of the evidence on that? >> good question. let me answer that in two parts. first the bin laden question. who made the decision? i do believe it was made i a senior official. i think the decision was to kill. i have no hard evidence of that for the to the folks i've talked to have said bin laden come unless he really kind of stood up and walked across a room with his hands wide appeal is not coming out of there alive. secondly i don't believe it was the correct decision. i do believe that in a situation like that you actually -- it is not about him, it's about us, our rule of law. the idea is that if we capture things come, let's go do noriega real quick. we went out of her way to go and capture the leader of panama as i recall. he was holed up in the vatican papelbon or presentation. we use music to get them out. i think that was probably appr

lieutenant colonel tony shaffer is the author of a book called "operation dark heart."ervices committee. not the full senate. but that committee that signed off on this. what are they saying? >> they are saying you have got to find a path forward to bring justice to the detainees, combatants, whatever want to call them. the answer in their view is not putting them into the civil criminal system. and frankly there is precedence for this. during world war ii an operation called pastorias. the germans sent nazis onto our shores and the decision then was to have them tried before a military tribunal. none of the investigative value was lost in that prosecution. rick will be let me tell what you someone from the justice department is saying. the administration doesn't like this. this is a woman named lisa monaco. she says if this were to become law, agents and prosecutors would have to worry about citizenship status, they would have to worry about getting special waivers signed by the secretary of defense rather than doing what they need to do to stop a potential terror thre

retired lieutenant colonel anthony shaffer senior fellow at the center for advanced offense studies and packed america he's also the author of operation dark heart tony thanks so much for being here tonight for having me now as usual the way these stories go the embassy is denying it and so we just hear from anonymous officials that reportedly it's true we've heard about this in the past right it was in june to the leader of hezbollah started making those hints do you think that it is you don't know but the evidence is pretty clear that things were telegraphed pretty early on and i think if you don't know the source of the record which i tend to believe we are we've pretty much lost the entire network here inside of lebanon which is a hugely bad thing at this point in time because we know. as you know the crossroads between you know syria iranians and. israel is really sort of all come together right there and it is a bad time to not have our eyes and ears on the ground knowing what's going on but unfortunately as i mentioned before it's not the first time that we've had the you know this is a bad time for something bad to happen you know let's go ba