u. u. s. u. k. um is riley occupation. susan, thank so much for coming on. i made that 1st task. what playground. so palestine is for our audience because a horribly the playground is now associated with mass graves and is riley soldiers on by britain in the united states, playing and playgrounds and executing children. i am sure thanks for having me. clarence for palestine uh, was conceived as an initiative to bring recreation and joy to children. we have for the past year diverted all of our resources towards a school that we started in gaza. because this is the 2nd year now that children have been out of school. so we are trying to, you know, just continue education as much as possible for as many children as we can. i mean, uh, i mean if it's amazing to even talk about schools, obviously it looks to me, it's the famine and, and the flooding uh this winter in garza, uh you, i understand uh where the oxford union, famous for hosting malcom x. because in a today what say like, uh, being in the oaks with union in the country, britain which is actively participating in the genocide because it's flying the spice lights from cypress you've like, i know you've characterized it previously as a subject being subject to pre attic bullying, screaming and insults. yeah, i'm glad you mentioned malcolm x because that's that was kind of the reason that i went mean a, you know, i think that the people on, on the opposition team were uh, kind of beneath us of humanist. i mean they're genocide advocates. and as i mentioned in my opening remarks, i did go there in the spirit of monks and also james baldwin, who, who was in a similar debate at cambridge, both of them facing criminals who, who adhered to racist ideologies just like signed some a yes, lean the guy, clearly in britain and there are many exceptions that'd be mass demonstrations in solidarity with by this time we, we mustn't forget that. but the newspaper i began my career on the guardian. i understand 1st, i mean, are they facilitating the whole the costing gaza? they recently banned an article by you about palestine. may i think the western media in general is complicit. it's not active participants in this genocide. i mean, the, the evidence is, is pretty damning for not just the guardian, but for the bbc, the new york times cnn. unless somebody see all of them, they are all complicit and white washing is really crimes and covering up what's actually happening on the ground. in discounting the voices and the reportage of hello city and journalists who are on the ground and to get all the credit for uh for ensuring that this genocide does holocaust did not happen in the dark. which is what israel clearly wanted to happen when they cut off all the internet and communication and the band journalist western journalist from entering the cause of strip and then proceeded to assassinate journalist. and it's the largest cohort of a sausage journalist and in any conflict. and in modern times, the recorded history, i believe. so the, the incident with the was the guardian was ultimately about, you know, sort of the brain things broke down over the use the word holocaust. i was asked to write a piece for a series that was running in the guardian. i was skeptical that they would run anything i, i wrote because i, you know, voice like, is your normal list in the running and, and you said that or what? well, no, i know it's because i'm because i'm uncompromising. what i say, i think they like to have articles by palestinians who are willing to soften their boys and just to, you know, just to be heard. and i wasn't willing to do that. i did a compromise on some edits and then things finally broke down because i refused to remove the word holocaust. even though we have seen the pictures of burned bund children have as part of the ethnic cleansing and grandchildren. i mean, it's burned children burning alive of whole families, burying a live of. i mean, most children are dying. the most gruesome, terrific death of being buried in the rubble unable to move, unable to breathe. and it takes, you know, that kind of suffocation of being buried alive, takes anywhere from 10 to 15 minutes to die. and you can imagine the horror or the terror that individuals, children, whole families go through before they diamond that's happening on mass of throughout garza. and um, children are being sniped that's been well documented. uh, the 3rd largest cohort of pediatric, pediatric mt cheese, anywhere in the world. it, you know, that our society is under the devastated by this of colonial monstrosity that the west planted in our midst. yeah. and the guardians of british newspapers, zekia selma, obviously intimately involved with the genocide. i mean, we have, i am on a, a gap, the volume that the editor of the guardian, we're right around her previous us or um our most premier was on the show. uh, i know julian hassan, just wiki leaks with that. happy about him being on the show because of the way the guy didn't treated the wiki leaks, but we do invites are, and you say, having being to guys, a referral that aerobic journalism that has been such a really journalism from gaza. you say the reality is infinity was on the ground. tell me why i to be on this. i have not. you were there twice this year. i was and i, i still cannot find the right words to, to, to capture the enormity of the heart and not something that i've heard. we've all heard from people from doctors, from other and g o workers who have been there. and they come out saying like, i just don't have the words to explain because in lots of feeling that's something we all feel um the, you know, on the one hand, there is this kind of spectacular violence for lack of a better word. that is, that's hard, fine, and it's not as pervasive. but there's also this of this constant chronic mass deprivation, degradation of society. um, you know, it's, it's, you know, the palate, golf, um, and policies in general. um, manage to become a high functioning society, despite all of the hardships in all of the restrictions like israel has placed on us for example, you know, education in our society comes at a premium. i mean, you asked me why, you know, what, why we're having schools when people are hungry because this is, this is the, this is our society. we value education and policy and had built universities under impossible conditions on and so on the one hand, you had people who were planning to open businesses to pursue their peach dues to um, to get married to build a house. and now the ceiling of people's ambitions is just to get enough water for the day. and this must have degradation of, of, of people, of families of societies. the break down the disease, the fill, the hunger, the thirst, the end security, the fear, the trauma, this accumulation of this incur mental accumulation of her upon her upon horror. that just does not a bait. it does not like it. there's no, there's no place to run. it is this tiny place like a fish bowl that, that, that, that israel shoots into a well and commits the most horrific atrocities with impunity seeming impunity. and nothing seems to be stopping them where you are in your, in the united states. so what does it make you feel when you see this is 5 being vito to the un security council. and more and more arms with a each week are being supplied and manufactured where you live to carry out the genocide. yeah, exactly, and honestly a lot of us are actually leaving united states for precisely for that reason. it's just, there's a big part of me that i wish i never left cuz i think i feel like i would rather be there despite all of the threats. um, because it feels it feels um the world feels like a big lie outside of gaza. and one cannot escape the a feeling of complicity just and also of guilt of survivors. guild see, you know, why, why do i get to live in a, in safety? and why do i get to have ample food? and especially when, you know, you have all of these images and these people you love who are, who are suffering so profoundly. i mean, uh, what do you think of, uh, this extra estate has to be blinking? who uh, who's do a pay is every few months saying he's trying his best while the items are being sent there and poured in to wipe out and exterminate name. yeah. anthony, blinking is design us. i don't even, i don't believe he has. i believe his 1st loyalty is actually to israel, like so many esign us and to have gotten themselves and planted themselves in positions of power throughout this administration, previous administrations throughout the throughout congress throughout the media throughout hollywood. i mean, they do not believe for one second that their loyalty is to the united states. it's not even a dual loyalty. it is a single loyalty to israel. and you know, i mean, anthony blinking himself when he went to, when he went to israel said, you know, i'm here as a jew, i mean it's, it's, it, it, you know, the chutzpah of doing that. i can't imagine a muscle. i'm saying that i'm not here as an american, i'm here as a muslim. no one would. the media would, would never let that fly. but i think that design us in this country have of extraordinary control over foreign policy. i believe they are dictating foreign policy. i mean, that does not absolve biden or harris or anyone else, i think blinking is playing on a must have role and perpetuating this genocide, i think. and, and even coming in at the administration as well. i mean, jared cushion or has a great deal of control and influence and what happens as he did in the previous trump administration. he is involved sinus. he has talked about removing palestinians because and taking over what he called valuable. sure. front property . and these people are on their deprived they are deprived, i should just say crushing it as never rule as far as we know at the time of his interview though, his, uh, his dad does in uh, in powers as far as i understand. but susan now allow stuff to you, the more from the best selling, older of buildings, engineering, and found her playgrounds for about his time. after this break the hello and welcome to the cost of full doors. here we discussed some real in the mountains and the steps, the wild type guy. i'm one of the world's most ethics with us, when how cost us a region so beautiful. the people who believe that it was bestowed upon them 5 dogs himself. so let's get off this mountain and explore. the violence has to offer the, the welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with the best selling older of mornings in janine and founder of playground, superpowers, grandchildren level our. this is susan. uh, you won't find the british medical lots that journal, the july estimate of a 186000 killed mostly women and children in nature, propaganda or media. but you understand, believe having being to guys and then it could be as high as a, as half a 1000000 maybe by now. i mean that's proportionally equivalent to why being a 160000000 americans. what do you think about the scale of this larger and is it being covered there in the united states in terms of percentages? because uh, uh these are, these are unprecedented numbers, aren't they? has for a population. so i, of course, i mean, of course, it's not being covered in united states. the about 10 days prior to the lancet article, i did a study myself, i am a scientist. but before i was underwriter, i was assigned to some i still am. i used to the things i witnessed, i used other data that i gathered and i used data from various human rights organizations who are on the ground in gaza, including the when euro meds, the w h o and others and using a morbidity and mortality rates for known diseases i, i calculated the number or the range of the most likely the most likely death toll accordingly. um, so you have of course, the direct uh, the direct murder which has been calculated precisely actually by the policy and ministry of health here. and there is also a number of missing palestinians, most of them presumed dead. so those or the, um that's those are kind of the direct number of, of casualties that you have this much larger casualty figure that's related to the withholding of medication, the new diseases, etc. so there are a lot of chronic diseases as in any population including diabetes and uh, and various cardiovascular diseases, kidney disease and certain genetic disorders that require particular diets and things like that. so this entire population has been really a hugely affected very adverse adversely. so, and there's a, a percentage of that population has died or is expected to die because of lack of a medication for these chronic conditions. and so that's another population. there's also the, the people who are dying of malnutrition, most of them children and very vulnerable individuals, people who are dependent on dialysis or cancer patients who cannot get treatments. i mean, those are, that population is also getting wiped out because there's just no facilities left or, or treatment for them. so there's multiple populations like that and when you and when you add it all up, when you calculate the, the, the rates of mortality based on known rates that are available in the literature in scientific literature. you can, you can uh uh, somewhat come a to come up with a statistical number. and i did that. i came up with a range that was between 894002514000 people killed. as a result of elena, and there's also like of course the, the, the, the rate of infection post, post operative infection is quite high because there's, there are no antibiotics really being let in. and then 10 days after that, of course my, you know, as, as with the media, uh, the way they typically do is to ignore policy and invoices. but and so my study was, was ignored until uh, 10 days later when the lancet published an estimate of 186000 people dead, which i believe is still on under estimation. but that, you know, of corresponds to the lower end of the range that i predicted. i do think when, when the dust settles that we will find probably half a 1000000 at least maybe, you know, 10 percent of the population having been wiped out. and, and of course the population of those who have been named and injured is, is even, is even larger. so for a client or a quarter of the population. oh, really? i mean, yeah, i mean literally when the dust settles, i mean, assuming most go engaging boots in and changing thing, don't come and militarily a developed indians. because clearly all the allies with the palestinians are being knocked out one by one. do you think we will see nuremberg style dryly trials of a bite and the hair is blinking? sullivan austin, hush. time in europe style move on to land macklin shoulds. these are the people that they will without him. this would not be possible. i mean, if there is any justice in this world then yes, but i don't um, you know, i don't have a crystal ball and i don't know. i do know that these all guards, these western oligarchs, this ruling elite who are humbling this entire planet. and especially in our region, so they're the ones who made all the rules and they designed them to not hold themselves to account. uh, which is why i think the, the, the icpc arrest warrants came as such a shock to everybody. whether or not they will be held to account, you know, i don't know. who are you going to be on this dream guns we know on this show in the i took his time, i don't know how many people were killed in the unprecedented waiting period with this for this warrant. um you were talking about cushion or the end about one uh trump, some son in law. and of course uh michigan went uh to its trump, arab americans village because anything is better than someone like all across terrace. uh, give me, why do you think 74000000 americans still voted for the harris? knowing what was going on? i mean, the, you don't have to be a great support of trump to realize you don't want to be supporting kamala harris because that would make you complacent in genocide. yeah, and i think americans, well, 1st of all, i think one of the numbers on is often ignored and analyzing selection are the number of americans who stayed home. we did not vote at all. there's over approximately 18000000 people who voted in the previous selection, who just did not vote at all mean. but to me that is the most significant number that anybody should be looking at. and because i think it speaks to the, the, the feeling that americans have said this political system does not represent anybody does not, there are no options for any of us. and the selection of those who did vote, you know, the americans are largely on uh, sort of ignorant of international politics and foreign policy. i think a lot of americans don't view foreign policy as being as important as domestic policy policies. and that's why um her as campaign so much on uh, on domestic issues. yeah. but i'm just saying that we're using words like all the quotes in genocide and people talk about zone of interest that failed about ouch rates. and in that perspective, that's not really a the excuses and events like literally choking of a head. todd sees voting for hipaa. oh, they're larger job and public. why are american scale? you can see and certainly the younger generation because we've seen mass protests and less support for palestine amongst young people in the united states. what is it about older american democrats that think it's ok to vote for janice politicians that advocate general. so again, this is what i was trying to explain and my answer is that there's a large portion of americans who, who vote strictly on domestic policies, which was why, again, harris was campaigning on, on, on identity politics. in many ways the, there's another portion of americans who, who know what's happening and recognize that genocide is taking place, but they voted for her and on the less. and frankly, i think this is this kind of liberal establishment mentality that ultimately, you know, they'll say, oh, well, you know, the genocide is bad, but they, they don't really. they don't mean it in the full weight of that word because they don't really value palestinian lice. it is if it were, if, if what's happening to us were happening to jews for example, this, it just would have been a no start or what we are. so the human eyes in this arabs, in particular, the west has been conditioned to accept our demise as, as if it were sort of in an, in everett ability. that is inevitable for us to live in chaos and disorder and despair. and that's, that's how the american public has been conditioned for decades through the media, through hollywood, through book publishers. and so even those who might be dismayed or upset by the genocide, what, what they see does not carry the same visceral weight as it would if it were any other people if it were ukrainians, for example. so because i don't think that we are perceived as fully human, they will, i mean, you all ready for a ukrainians is afford the, let's get any rate. i mean, uh, do you think trump being elected will mean a reconfiguration of what goes by the left in the united states and away from identity politics and back to anti and barry elizabeth plus politics. and you think that's one of the greatest things about a trump victory that the left will begin to understand or then advanced will basically sign sofa that um and the clean tonight we do the whole of that establishment, but also support hollywood and propaganda media. going to be a while. yeah, i don't. i don't see signs of that except when it comes to young people. i think one of the, one of the only promising, well not the only but one of the promising signs has been that not only our young people awakened to the criminality of israel. but they have become awakened to the ways in which mass media has protected israel and has of secured and up to skated their crimes for so long. so there is a diminishing trust in western media, which i think is, is probably the most important developments for, for future generations in this country to be mistrustful of this corporate design of media, frankly. and um and so they, they do look for alternative news sources. they look for independence, media and they look for alternative political analyses from intellectuals not from the you know, sort of a, basically entertainers who pose as journalists. um, so that, you know, that bodes well for the future. but you know, what that means is, is difficult to, uh, is difficult to really predict because i also know that, uh, these all guards are quite resilience and colonialism and imperialism. just don't seem to sleep. but we'll see, i mean, you know, but the bottom line is there is this whole generation now that knows and recognizes as real as, as a barbaric genocidal western invention to the low. thank you. thank you option. thanks rodney, that's it for the show. i'll continue condolences to those surviving the u. k. u s . u, i'm genocide here in this region. will be back with a brand new episode on site the angel. then keep in touch, my role, that social media, if it's not sense in your country and i do i channel going on the run tv hon, they'll come to us new and old episodes are going on. they're going to use of the, the the, [000:00:00;00] the welcome to cross that cool homes were all things are considered on peter a little bit term shocking. doesn't even begin to describe, but the fall of damascus to a brand new terrace with western support. and so quickly is a world historic event. the middle east has been fundamentally reordered the resistance as essentially collapse. we discuss these issues and more. i'm joined by my guess, george samuel, we in budapest, he's a pod cast where the goggle, which can be found on youtube and locals and crimea. we cross deluxe level, but he is a moscow based international.
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