i'm not giving them the ability to unbind.hat is their ability to unbind. i call it the permission slip from mom. they already have the legal ability to unbind and that's been brought into the light by the fact that there have been three supreme court decisions and 240 historical precedents that allow them to unbind. so the state laws that have been enacted in an attempt to assure that they must carry out the outcome of the primary are simply not constitutional. in fact, it actually illegal to force a delegate to bind to a candidate. so what this consciousness clause does is basically gives them a rule for those who are rule followers, because republicans tend to be rule followers, it's giving them a chance to say i have a rule that says i can do this. >> two things here first of all. ahead of each convention, rules are written applicable to that convention. that's traditional. so your point in clarifying this is not something that you're changing rules, it's literally what's done before every convention so there's that. but t

hypothetically speaking we could arrive in cleveland, the rules committee could meet there and decide to unbind the delegates on the first ballot, let them vote their conscience and however they want and trump could potentially lose. we need to consider what is the risk for republicans of taking that course. i consider this to be and republicans would agree with this, for the most part, an emergency scenario. donald trump would have to be so damaging to the party, be threatening the party for generation and some republicans already think he is but would have to go a step further from where he is now for republicans to seriously, seriously consider

you hundreds of delegates are receiving phones calls on a daily basis asking them to consider unbinding scott walker governor of wisconsin, has said that he actually thinks, perhaps, unbinding and allowing people to vote their conscience is a good thing. look, when we're named as delegates at the convention, we only have one vote to cast. >> right. >> and that is the vote that we're sta toir yal or through party rules to cast. so, the one thing we're bound to do by virtue of the votes in all these various states and now, they want to unbind all the delegates. it makes no sense. >> you say it's wrong for people who support mitt romney and on the never trump train to be in these positions of power you believe they'll encourage delegates to go rogue, so to speak, if that happens, who do you think they're going to pick? >> well, they were involved in the kerr if you havele that we had at the 20 is the convention and it's just a curious pick to have two individuals so closely affiliated with mitt romney who i have enormous respect for but there's a lot of pressure going on, i don't think tha

two call of the effort to unbind the delegates? what are the specifics there? >> he could articulate a message consistent with the republican party platform and explain how he is going to reestablish the constitution of the united states. and economic policies that will create true economic growth. and not require punitive tax and discretion on companies that might leave the country. donald trump has been remarkably inconsistent on where his principles are. two weeks ago, on another station's show with the congressman from long island. i had to watch him agonizingly try to defend donald trump attack on the judge for being mexican. donald trump said he could not trust the system to give him a fair shake. now, the american judicial system, conservatives and liberals can agree, is every fabric of our society, it gives us the rule of law -- donald trump a couple of weeks ago did not trust the government. the other day, he wanted to have the nra change their position on the terrorist watch list. a list brought up where no one knows how it is established. suddenly he

greta: when they go to the convention and try this unbind delegates, how difficult will that be? steven: this will not just be a vote on whether or they not -- whether or not they want donald trump to be the republican nominee. they are voting for crossing donald trump, basically, and all we have seen from that during the primary season and where that gets you -- they are voting for what could end up being ks on the convention -- chaos on the convention for in cleveland. or maybe what is worse for the republican party -- donald trump is the nominee by acclamation, or

. >> the delegates have always had the right to conscience and the ability to unbind themselves. so i say we have the kryptonite, we have the power to be able to unbind, but we were told it was just a hunk of glass. >> the alternative, unbind the delegates or win a supermajority on the first ballot. the alternative is unclear. no challenger has stepped up. >> who are they going to pick? i beat everybody, not only beat, i beat the hell out of them. >> i sat down with the speaker of the house paul ryan about his dilemma. >> well, first of all, i feel like i have certain responsibilities, as not just congressman paul ryan, but as speaker of the house. and imagine the speaker of the house not supporting the duly elected nominee of our rty. therefore creating a chasm in our party to spli us in half, the last thing i want to see happen is another democrat i the white house, i don't want to see hillary clinton as president. i want to see a strong majority in the house and the senate. and i think the way to achieve those goals is having a unified party. if something is done that i don't

has filed a federal lawsuit asking for a temporary restraining order or preliminary injunction to unbind him and delegates to both party's national conventions arguing it violates the first and 14 amendments. the republican national committee is working to thwart delegates who are promoting a conscience exemption to unbind their votes with trump saying ted cruz and john kasich have only a short time to fall in line before the convention, quote, if there's no endorsement, then i wouldn't invite them to speak. a new "washington post"/abc poll shows that bernie sanders supporters are rallying behind hillary clinton. 81% of sanders backers now say they would support clinton versus 8% for donald trump. at this point in 2008 clinton primary supporters only backed then-senator barack obama 65% to 22%. despite saying he'd vote for clinton in november, bernie sanders has yet to give a full-throated endorsement. >> we are trying to say to secretary clinton, and to the clinton campaign, make it clear which side you are on. right now what we are doing is trying to say to the clinton campaign, stand

beyond that, my conscience clause is not just giving them the ability to unbind the delegates by laware actually truly unbound. when he says it's illegal there have been three supreme court cases, 200 historical precedents, that have said the delegates are unbound. we are going in unbound. it's just a matter of if they recognize they're unbound. what my conscience clause is doing is i like to say that the delegates already have the kryptonite but what a conscience clause will do coming out of the rules committee is it's the memo that can activate that kryptonite. because we have a demographic of activists and we have a -- republicans are rule-followers. and we're going after the grandmother that's worked in the party for 50 years, that's worked hard to get the candidates elected. she needs that rule. she has pressure put on her by a delegation chair or a congressman saying, you can't unbind, she can stand behind that rule, it's giving her cover, saying this rnc ruling says i can. >> you're on the rules committee, how big this. >> 156 members. used to be 112. we need 56 signers becaus

the delegates, unbind the delegates, going into the first ballot so that donald trump has to go intove himself to those delegates, because, you know, alex, the delegates have a moral obligation to ensure the republican party has the best candidate to defeat hillary clinton and right now donald trump is not uniting the party and he will not beat hillary clinton.was launched hours ago. >>> joining me now ray suarez, he's a longtime pbs news correspondent. ray, it's awfully good to have you here and i want to say as a longtime political observer, get your response to what we just heard. how realistic is a delegate revolt at this point in the game and what kind of options do the republicans really have left? >> it may not be something that ends up upending the trump campaign, but what difference does that make? it should have been a week when donald trump was consolidating his position at the top of the party and starting the fall campaign. instead he was sliding in the muck that he himself created in the afterwart of the curiel flap and just this morning tearing the head off the party's

even if the rules were changed to unbind the delegates what would they do.z did a much better job than any candidate i think of building a strong relationship with delegates, and so if -- we know how they would react if ted cruz were the nominee. he built loyalty among the delegates bound to him. donald trump hasn't done that. and so the question becomes is what would they do if they were unbound. each if they are unbound it's not clear that they would rush to another candidate. really depends who the candidate was. so it's still pretty much unknown. >> and rick, as you know late this week, speaker ryan laughed off trump calling on gop leaders to be quiet. in an interview tomorrow he is encouraging fellow republicans to vote their conscience. what is the calculation at this point on behalf of ryan? >> with fact that he's even positing the idea of voting your conscience tells you the trouble that this nominee is in. the leadership, the speaker of the house is actively saying giving permission to vote your conscience. he wants to keep his speakership. he has t

. >> the delegates have only had the free will to unbind themselves. i say it is -- we have the kryptonite and the power to unbind but we were told it is a hunk of glass. >> other option a vote to unbind the delegates or require a super majority to win the nomination on the first ballot. for delegates looking to stop trump, the alternative is unclear. no challenger has stepped up. >> who are they going to pick? i beat everybody. i don't mean beat. i beat the hell out of them. >> well earlier this week i sat down with the speaker of the house paul ryan and talked about his dilemma. keep the party united or reject the candidate of the values he does not share. >> first of all, i have a certain responsibility not just as congressman paul ryan but as speaker of the house. imagine the speaker of the house not supporting the newly elected nominee of our party. therefore, i'm creating a chasm in our party that splits us in half which helps deny us the white house and strong majority in congress. last thing i want to see happen is another democratic white hous

my understanding you're trying to organize and effort to unbind delegates to vote their conscience. i feel i've covered a dozen or two dozen attempts to unseat trump. do you have enough, is this a big thing or boutique enterprise? >> we're now mainstream, not the fringe. we have money that has come on board and a floor plan that will be able to match donald trump's attempts to quash us. i can answer what mcconnell would not answer. he is not qualified to be president. the supreme court ruling today, for all of those that value the sanctity of life and believes life begins at conception and should be protected needs to have a candidate to unite the party to run against hillary clinton this fall and he is not someone we want to see as the face of our party. we gained incredible momentum. we started with 400 delegates and alternates on board and grows every day and we have thousands of volunteers coming on board applying pressure to use this as a lobbying attempt to influence the rules committee for conscience claus as well as the delegates on the floor. let me be clear, the conscience

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they will decide will they unbind the delegates on first ballot to allow them to vote their consciencetrish: that is pretty wild? >> starting to see more and more chatter. not gotten to the point it is overwhelming chatter to lead you believe it will be actually happening. as far as i'm led to believe, simple majority on the rules committee will decide do we unbind delegates to let them vote their conscience. once they do it goes to the floor of the convention. trish: are you saying that trump may not get it? somebody else may emerge? >> i'm saying there is the potential, it is not inconceivable. but here's the problem. we're essentially three weeks away from the rules committee meeting. the weight of process, the wheels have been set in motion. trump has over 1400 pledged delegates, 120 some unpledged. he sitting at 1500 delegates and weight of the process s and motn heading g toward him being the presumptive nominee. trish: there is a serious effort. they had a phone call over the weekend. >> there is. trish: delegates could call in to voice their concerns. i want to go over to lesli

that is a discussion that actually a delegate needs to take into consideration if they choose to unbind. and that is how are the people at home that sent me here going to respond? but i can tell you, i hear daily from my constituents who voted to send me here to keep going down the path that i am going down. so i actually have an honor and an obligation to carry the water for them with the vote that they entrusted in me. >> except that for you, in your case, you were for ted cruz, and i imagine the constituents you talk to are for ted cruz. if delegates are from a state that voted for donald trump how would they justify saying their religious or personal convictions are leading them to go against the voters of their state? how would somebody be able to justify that? >> that's a great question. here comes the schoolteacher part. i'm sorry that for 40 years that we have had curricula that have taught that we ar democracy. we're actually not a democracy. there's never one man, one vote. that's a good thing, that mob rule, 50 plus one, can't dictate an outcome. because our founding fathers

. >> there's talk of them wanting to unbind and move past this. do you think it is improbable as we look at the rules? >> i think it is not improbable, but they'll definitely try. i have a number of republican friends here in florida who are going to the convention. they're pledged to vote for trump right now, but they'd rather not vote for trump. there are a number of people out there who would love to do something different. i think they'd have a better shot of winning. trump is certainly not dead yet, but he's in a place where it is difficult to come back. >> we've heard about this possibility. now it is closer to the rules committee. the energy is closer to the group that can decide to say we'll unbind and vote for another candidate, not the nominee. >> i think we in the media talk a lot about the potential of convention drama. while there will be delegates who may try not to vote for donald trump if they have an opportunity, there may be some movement in the rules committee that week before the convention. we have to keep in perspective this

the delegates, unbind the delegates going into the first ballot so that donald trump has to go into that convention and prove himself to those delegates. those delegates have the moral obligation to find the best candidate to defeat hillary clinton. right now donald trump is not uniting the party and he will not beat hillary clinton. >> how will this work, what's just gone up on your website? >> any petition is to drive public messaging and get attention to the fact. what we're saying is donald trump should not be sitting there thinking he's got it all locked up, doing the things he's doing which is hurting the republican party, possibly destroying the republican party. we want to go into this convention and make it what it is. this is not a populous vote. the republican party is not meant to be a place where you took the nomination because you won a beauty pageant. he has to prove he's a conservative, the principles he's going to back and unite the party. it's obvious to everyone, i think even the other 60% who think it's better to stay with him to unite the party, that he's not do

>> it is about unbinding the delegates. so muchuestion is not the strategy but how broad is the actual worry about from among republican voters? bigger by theng hour and i am not exaggerating when every two hours i am being contacted from people around the country. this has never happened before. we are writing the textbook about how to unbind delegates and save the republican party. it's never happened before but every day the internet and social media, you see more people pile on. yesterday it was the governor of tennessee. a few days ago it was the governor of maryland. it is not just people on the grassroots is powerful part. "iwas key leadership saying can't support donald trump." , having been aw grassroots organizer for many years, is that establishment leaders don't like the grassroots. what you are seeing right now is an organic grassroots uprising that built the momentum every single day and is continuing to get there. >> one of the big questions about this is we just went process thatmary trump actually won handi

to this news right off the bat, this plan, apparently, to unbind the delegates so they can then votews who -- could this derail donald trump's candidacy? >> no, it will derail any hopes these people have of ever being invited to anything again in the republican party. let me be clear. them doing something as absurd and, to be blunt, as stupid as this would be, they would be better off getting a thousand skunks, letting them loose in quicken arena and popping them with a pellet gun so they all release their stink, because it would be less smelly than these guys trying to up end the process at this stage. we have a nominee. he won the most votes of anybody. i'm one of the people he vanquished, and they need to just get over it and get behind him and let's beat hillary in november. it really needs to be as simple as that, liz. liz: i agree. he got the most votes, and if you go against something like that, that's going against, certainly, the will of the voting public in the primaries, definitely. >> yes. liz: off this, though -- you have this, though, and donald trump has often said he

well, unbind the delegates. is that realistic?ty of unbinding the delegates is stuff. if they're unbound, i think that we will get a new nominee is not realistic. >> while this is happening to trump, on the other side hillary clinton is doing some things are really good including for the first time in the history of the last year and a half, she had an event with an overflow the other day when she was with elizabeth warren. she and elizabeth warren -- >> the overflow. i think it is incredibly important for the campaign to pay attention to. an energy that we haven't seen. >> it is borrowed energy. >> and you're going to see more borrowed energy next week when she is with president obama in north carolina for the first rescheduled campaign event. >> i want to delve into trade again. it is whiplash. as much as, you know, trump, this is very consistent for him. this is 1987 donald trump, criticizing ronald reagan for bad trade deals with japan. this is not something that he just come up with willy nilly. he believes this in his heart.

. >> i have letters from delegates who are urging other delegates to a motion to unbind delegates andhave them vote their conscience at the republican convention solely to stop you from becoming the nominee, so i'm wondering what you think about that. >> well, i have millions of people out there, almost 14 million to be exact, that will be extremely upset if that happened because -- look, you win. toe have somebody that won in a landslide go out and try to take it away. >> meanwhile, senator bernie sanders who is still in the race against hillary clinton issuing this statement on the democratic party platform just moments ago and in part it reads the platform drafted in st. louis is a very good start but there is no question that much more work remains to be done by the full platform committee when it meets in orlando on july 8 and 9. we intend to do everything we can to rally support for our amendments in orlando and if we fail there we will take the fight to the floor of the convention in philadelphia. i'm joined now bizarrea westwood, investigative reporter for "the washington exam

. >> so it's unbinding, which means he could decide to not listen to his own people -- >> i'm sure thatould go other well. >> which is unlikely to happen but it's still an option that he has. not really a possibility if we a had to get guess. >> we'll know in the next 40 minuteshether or not he's going to invoke that or not. worth looking at "sky news", the united kingdom independence party leader is talking there saying it's a victory for ordinary people and against big business. that's what we've been hearing in terms of the leave campaign. there is the leader of the uk independence party coming in. >> there's a woman saying why don't they come and see what they've done to my community, what they've done to my kids. people here are too wealthy. they don't get what open door massive immigration as a result of eu membership has done, ability of getting gp appointments or getting their kids into school. so i'm thrilled that we've done this and i believe the other big effect of this election is not what's happened in britain but what will happen in the rest of europe. i mean, the rest of

traction and a move to at the convention get a minority report on the floor of the unvention and unbind the delegates so they can vote on the first ballot and a lawsuit was introduced in virginia that would protect delegates against legal proceedings if they don't vote like they are supposed to vote. and all of that could create a lot of uncertainty. you get it on the floor, it may not go how it is going to. and i asked donald trump about what he thought about the movement to deny him the nomination? >> i have millions of people. 14 million that will be extremely upset if that happened. look you win. i won in a land slide and go out and try to take it away. they have been trying to do that from day one. >> reporter: this started as a small idea and gaining a lot of momentum and another conference call to gain more support for it. and the last conference call a this happened people lin. >> thank you. and top leaders from the remaining eu nations are reacting and saying they want the britain's divorce from the continent to be a swift one. that comes as calls from britains for a do over vo

the very first motion made at the democratic convention in 1980 was to unbind all of the delegates. kennedy was sure they would turn to him. it didn't happen. the rules were held jimmy carter was elected. it wasn't until then at the convention that kennedy suspended his campaign. a couple years later the democrats said we can't have this again. we meneed to make sure we never had another outsider like george mcgovern. they put in a system of super delegates. the irony is it was a challenge from the left by kennedy to put in the super delegates. it is hurting the challenge from the left. >> the communications director for the dnc even came out saying it is not over yet. let's hear what he had to say. >> any night you have primary or caucus the media lumps in super delegates they polled. they said who are you voting? they shouldn't be included in any account. >> is there any possibility that he could still make inroads to the convention? >> they have them among pledged delegates. she has won the dell gachlts the super delegates are patting their lead. what the system is doing and it w

can get the rules committee to allow for a conscience clause and that would allow the delegates to unbind and support other unnamed candidate. we asked her about the people who voted for trump in the nominating process? >> 67 percent of the voters did not vote for donald trump and we had open primaries that allowed democrats and independents to register and jump in the republican party. >> we have 14 million and won 36 or 37 states which is, others won none? people that won none, maybe be we can get something at the convention. it doesn't work that way, folks. >> reporter: you heard trump brushing it off and saying it is probably illegal according to the rules. >> any problems with protestors today? >> reporter: here in the casino that this is private property and they would not allow for protestors to have a location. and it worked. we showed 11 people who protested and they were asked to leave by security. two made it in the venue and taken out by officers here. trump is now in arizona work withing to make up what poll numbers indicate was not his best week. patty ann? >> thank you. dem

republicans are rule followers and they want to have a rule that implicitly tells them that i can unbindn the first ballot. connell: i've heard both sides of that. is that true? i've heard both sides. >> it is true. there's been two supreme court cases and 200 historical precedents and for 136 years the party has said that we will remain unbound, the supreme court ruled that states may not interfere in the private engagements of anything. can you imagine if the state was trying to impose that voters and the home owners board would have to vote a certain way? this is going to allow a religious or personal conscience because of grievous contact on behalf of a candidate or -- >> okay, so if you're successful, sorry to interrupt, just for time. if you are successful and you get this, hypothetically, people can vote for whoever they want, what do you want to happen? a candidate, paul ryan or scott walker a write-in, what can happen here? >> first and foremost, might be delegates that are still going to vote for donald trump. connell: okay, why do it? >> because i believe people should have a

but in order to unbind the delegates it would take a majority of the rules committee, and then you havee -- of all of the delegates at the convention. what's the likely had of that happening? >> we'll see. we won't really know until july 14th and 15th when the convention rules committee meets at the convention center, and the entire body decides. all they will need in the rules committee is 56 republicans, half of the rules commit year, across the country, and then have to take it to the bigger group. what makes this group different, gregg -- this is why i'm sure the -- this one is organized by the people who will be the only ones that can actually do something, and who will be the only ones formally nominate whoever the party's pick is. this is not driven by guys like eric ericson or bill crystal or hugh hewitt who have been pining, we have to do something. these are the people who can actually do something. they have found each other and they're trying to see if there's enough support to do it. >> trump dismisses this saying there's no mechanism for this. well, he is wrong. there is a

happen, what would need to happen is that the convention rules committee would have to allow for the unbindingthat would have to go to the floor of the convention for a majority of all delegates to vote that way. so under the current rules they're not unbound. it would need a rule change. remember, i want to point out this is why i think the hill is so tough to climb for you guys is because remember even if there are a lot of ted cruz supporters who were willing to go with someone else on the second ballot even though there are a lot of delegates at this convention that are not trump die hards a majority are coming with the notion to support donald trump. >> i don't agree with you on that at all. >> i'm a member of the rules committee and that's the clause i'm sponsoring is yes it will have to pass through the rules but we can do a minority report and once it's passed to the floor, yes, of course it's up to the delegates to vote but there's still floor action that we can take and when the delegation chair submits the vote tally -- >> how many members do you have now? do you have 57 votes. >> n

about what will happen at the convention, certainly at the rules meeting at the convention they could unbindates and change the threshold for the nomination, they could do a lot of things. it would then have to go to the full convention floor, get 50% of delegates to vote for it. many delegates are not necessarily people that we heard before that are trump supporters, there are a lot of cruz delegates but they're looking to leadership and the party what to do for something like this. i think you would have to have people that previously supported trump come out against him, you would have to have 20 governors come out against him, 20 senators, something like that. he had a bad week, some people criticizing him. a lot are people that were already criticizing him. i don't think we are close to critical mass. it would be difficult to pull something like that off. it is in donald trump's hands whether that stays there. he's got to perform as a candidate and lead the party. i think every republican running on the ticket should be encouraged he is listening to reince priebus more, trying to focus

a lot more i think politically would have to happen for donald trump to unbind themselves and turn overt's in his hands to stop it from happening and he can start performing as the leader of the party and put it to rest and if something was to happen, look at this time and say, wow, this is where it got started? >> talk about -- ed, it would be a revolt among republicans and especially trump supporters not taking this lightly. >> not at all. but, you know, the argument as tal laid out is only people to make the decisions are delegates elected to the convention and finding 56 of them in the rules committee meeting the thursday and friday before the gavel comes down in cleveland and then if you can find 1,237 of them on the floor who are willing to vote for these changes, then you could have an open situation. and most of the people involved in this, make it clear, don, while they may have supported someone like ted cruz or john kasich, in the primaries, not saying they should be the nominee but if anything to compel trump to come to the delegates, the folks he's going to have to win over

one idea to use the gop rules committee to unbind trump delegates.om 1976, the last contested gop convention called a conscience clause, allowing delegates to vote for a new candidate if they disagreed with something theirs said or did. even those involved in discussions underscore the moves would be unprecedented and extremely hard to execute. former rnc chief of staff mike shields agrees. >> delegates are bound now under rules to nominate donald trump. that's the rules of the republican party. they would have to unbind themselves, go through a process of changing rules actively to say we want to go against wishes of voters. >> has that ever happened? >> that's never happened and i think it would be a difficult, heavy lift. >> reporter: cnn is told neither the rnc chair nor congressional leaders are taking part in strategy talks to oust trump, even after his new taunts. >> our leaders have to get a lot tougher and be quiet, just please be quiet, don't talk, please be quiet. >> can't mix this up sometimes. i'll just say we represent a separate but eq

unbinding delegates on the convention floor in july and unlikely and yet discussed possibility. that talk only expected to escalate in the coming days to top gop lawmakers and donors that meet at a finance retreat organized by 2012 gop nominee mitt romney. a focal trump critic. >> there's plenty of evidence that mr. trump is a con man, a fake. >> reporter: trump allies briefing supporters on capitol hill after a rocky last few days. >> trump is learning how to be a candidate. beat 16 pretty competent people and now he's learning how to be a general election candidate. >> reporter: all as the donors are voicing concerns of financial shortfall that will be, at least according to one prominent donor, in the, quote, hundreds of millions of dollars when it comes to hillary clinton's operation. trump meeting with more than 60 top donors, his team laying out an aggressive financing for the weeks ahead. >> that's increasingly important. when you look at what hillary clinton has in the bank, more than $30 million, her super pac has raised more than 75 million and donors saying as far as

. >> there is a real campaign now among certain number of delegates to the convention to unbind delegates to try to stop you from becoming the nominee at the convention. what do you say about what's going on? >> it's all made up by the press. >> no, it's not. >> they can't do it legally. >> these efforts i think probably have only a minuscule chance of getting anywhere but it's not all made up by the press as i read to you. people are on the record talking about organizing against trump in cleveland. >> well, yes. there are a handful of people who are educated adults that want to take their ball and go home because their guy didn't win. at the end of the day, it's a very small number. mr. trump has the delegates to win. it's going to be an amazing convention. mr. trump has brought in the most votes in a gop primary ever, and he has brought in more than people to the party. this is what the party has been saying they've needed. it is exactly why the rnc is supporting mr. trump, why they're doing joint efforts now, because he wants to help down ballot races, and mr. trump is going to take h

this is coming from the delegates themselves who are trying to change the rules to allow them to unbind themselves from the first ballot. paul ryan was asked about what he would tell members of the conference if they couldn't decide whether to support trump. >> absolutely. the last thing i would do is tell anybody to do something that is contrary to their conscious. of course i wouldn't do that. this is a strange situation. this is a unique nominee. >> rnc spokesman tweeted a statement about the rnc rules underlining the pruchlive nominee is silly. i can tell you, he did speak to the leader of this movement. she is a delegate from colorado and she said the fact that he called his name, they are gaining tractions though they never responded at all. she told us that right now she has 200 delegates who are committed to this. >> very interesting. thank you very much. >> if some of those wonderful people had guns strapped right here right to their waist or their ankle and one of the people in that room happened to have it and goes boom, boom, you know what, that would have been a beautiful s

that is an increasing number of delegates from the republican party who are seeking to unbind all of the delegates at the republican convention in july on the first vote and try to deny donald trump the nomination. there is another conference call scheduled for tomorrow night where those delegates will try to gain more momentum for their movement. i asked mr. trump what he thought would happen if that movement really did gain traction and was able to get some of those delegates at the convention unbound. here's what he said. >> i have millions of people out there, almost 14 million to be exact, that will be extremely upset if that happened. because, look, you win. you mean to have somebody that i won in a landslide go out and try and take it away? they've been trying to do that from day one. >> so we have just a little bit of time left before the convention starts. donald trump will hit the campaign trail planning rallies in a number of swing states. nothing nailed down just yet. these are states, kelly that will be very much in play in the november election. back to you. >> john rob

cleveland who are now campaigning to convince others like them to deny trump his official nomination by unbinding themselves on the first ballot. this of course would require a change by not only the rules committee at convention, but a majority of the delegates. in an interview set to air on "meet the press" tomorrow, house speaker paul ryan said members of the house republican conference should follow their conscience in deciding whether or not to support trump. >> i feel as a responsibility institutionally as speaker of the house that i should not be leading some chasm in the middle of the party. that will definitely knock us out of the white house. >> they want to see smart. they have so many things they want to see that it would be impossible. also it's illegal. >> reporter: rnc spokesman sean spicer said quote, all the discussion about the rnc rules committee acting to undermine the presumptive nominee is silly. there's no organized effort, strategy or leader of this so-called movement. it is nothing more than a media creation and a series of tweets. however, we did speak with kendall unruh